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| 00:13.49 | shalkie | Ah Baltimore... I like Baltimore. I haven't been there for a year or two. |
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| 15:00.47 | josephscott | big java update - http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/10/java-update-plugs-51-security-holes/ |
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| 17:52.48 | mindjuju | every time i go tail -f in the httpd logs, i think of this scene from Aliens http://cdn2.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Aliens-Contact.jpg |
| 17:53.23 | mindjuju | when they open the ceiling tile to see if the aliens are in the plenum |
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| 18:09.12 | ninnypants | so we're maybe ending the shutdown and debt issues until Jan 15 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24557469#TWEET924859 |
| 18:10.15 | SunSparc | mindjuju: lol |
| 18:10.51 | SunSparc | Stop the shutdown and raise the debt limit. Now there is a new idea. ;) |
| 18:11.45 | SunSparc | That spells progress! Towards an even larger government and ... blah blah blah |
| 18:14.49 | DexterTheDragon | and that's how the government works now |
| 18:15.11 | mindjuju | hmm, i don't think they will |
| 18:15.28 | mindjuju | as i said at chipotle, i think it's an act and th epoint was made |
| 18:15.41 | mindjuju | to do it again would be pointless |
| 18:16.27 | SunSparc | DexterTheDragon: the government is to works ad Microsoft is to works. |
| 18:16.33 | SunSparc | as |
| 18:16.50 | romanovic | hey, whatever it takes to make progress. now if fiscal liberals can just repeat this every 3 months for eternity, raising the debt limit a little each time, imagine the progress that could be made |
| 18:17.12 | SunSparc | lol |
| 18:17.29 | josephscott | mindjuju: this - http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/14/for-many-hard-liners-debt-default-is-the-goal/ - has me concerned there are factions who will seek to do this over and over until they are successful |
| 18:17.32 | SunSparc | I guess everyone has a different definition of "works" and "progress". ;) |
| 18:18.19 | SunSparc | josephscott: Do you think that more harm than good would come from a default? |
| 18:18.31 | josephscott | yes |
| 18:19.21 | fungus | YES |
| 18:19.33 | SunSparc | Could be. |
| 18:19.41 | fungus | It's unconstitutional to default. |
| 18:19.57 | josephscott | beyond that, I don't think that the 'default to force balanced budgets 100% in the future because no one will lend to us' will actually work to do what they think it will do |
| 18:20.00 | SunSparc | lol, not that being unconstitutional matters much these days. |
| 18:20.48 | josephscott | high level version: more harm than good, constitution, won't do what they think it will do, paying your debts is the right thing to do |
| 18:20.57 | fungus | defaulting will raise our interest rates enormously, increasing our deficit even further, making it even harder to balance the budget. |
| 18:21.43 | SunSparc | josephscott: I agree. But doing the right thing is not high priority for too many in the right places. |
| 18:21.44 | josephscott | fungus: go read that nytimes piece |
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| 18:22.05 | fungus | josephscott, already queued up in my browser. :) |
| 18:22.12 | josephscott | part of the theory is that if no one will lend to us, we will be forced to only spend as much as we bring in, aka balanced budget |
| 18:22.25 | josephscott | but I don't think that is how a default would actually play out |
| 18:22.51 | fungus | of course not. we owe way too much. |
| 18:22.53 | josephscott | and even if it did it would only last until others start lending to us again, leading to unbalanced budgets again |
| 18:24.13 | josephscott | so basically you'd get all of the downside and little to none of their theoretical upside |
| 18:24.48 | josephscott | and for West Wing fans who believe the show can predict the future, check out - https://josephscott.org/archives/2013/10/the-privacy-decades/ |
| 18:26.44 | fungus | SunSparc, the problem is that Congress doesn't actually try to work on the budget between deadlines. Instead only at the deadlines when actual work/compromise cannot be done. |
| 18:27.24 | mindjuju | sadly true fungus, posturing, it's all about posturing (and limelight) |
| 18:27.38 | josephscott | ~limelight congress |
| 18:27.49 | fungus | And this time the House Republicans decide during this emergency deadline time to purposefully slow down the process to get what they want changed. |
| 18:28.36 | fungus | They need to shut up during the emergency times and get shit done. |
| 18:28.49 | SunSparc | fungus: Yep. So frustrating. |
| 18:29.03 | fungus | After the emergency has passed, then place more pressure on re-negotiating the budget. |
| 18:30.06 | fungus | But no! That is the time when they have to mess around with social issues |
| 18:31.28 | DexterTheDragon | fungus: it's easier to "negotiate" when you have a gun to the economies head |
| 18:32.05 | fungus | Exactly. |
| 18:32.51 | fungus | It's hard to negotiate and you-know-say compromise, when you can just wait for the gun and not have to compromise. |
| 18:33.01 | josephscott | with great power, comes great responsibility, etc. |
| 18:33.17 | fungus | Amen! |
| 18:34.25 | josephscott | unto whom much is given much is required, etc. |
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| 20:06.35 | stderr- | while I agree privacy is one of the new "battlegrounds" for equity and civil rights, J. Edgar was really the guy who kicked domestic spying into style. And the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 began the militarization of domestic police forces which further kicked privacy violations into overdrive. |
| 20:09.03 | stderr- | People have really been shocked by the accusations that the NSA is collecting communications that originate domestically, but there is an organization that has been spying on Americans for much longer and has collected far more information. |
| 20:09.05 | stderr- | And that's the DEA. |
| 20:10.48 | stderr- | and I'm going to drive this point home again: the real effect this has had on our every day lives is the militarization of local police forces. |
| 20:12.48 | stderr- | Local police forces have to justify all of the money they're getting for their military-esque toys - their assault rifles, their body armor, their troop carriers, etc - and they can't do that with ONE of the ostensible reasons (fighting terror) |
| 20:12.57 | mindjuju | so what's the correction on this issue? |
| 20:13.48 | stderr- | so they justify it with no knock warrants and raids, for the OTHER reason (drugs) |
| 20:13.53 | fungus | I understand that giving up an amount of privacy can grant us additional safety. But there has to be a limit somewhere. I think defining these limits/boundaries are a critical first step in defending privacy. |
| 20:14.13 | stderr- | well let's address privacy first. |
| 20:14.21 | mindjuju | yeah, i saw a good example of that this morning, 80yr man killed because police thought they smelled Meth |
| 20:14.30 | mindjuju | they stormed the house and shot the man |
| 20:14.37 | mindjuju | this was in LA i think |
| 20:14.45 | fungus | I agree w/ stderr- that the extreme levels of criminalization for drugs (war on drugs) has caused more harm than good. |
| 20:15.15 | stderr- | I think we can all agree that warrants, that have been approved by a judge and not some ethereal secret panel, are good (warranted, if you wish to be punny) |
| 20:15.59 | stderr- | Warrants, at their bones, are about justifiably violating privacy because of a concrete suspicion that crimes have or will be performed |
| 20:16.37 | stderr- | but, in the new age of the internet and the various forms of communication that provides, warrants are harder to 1) justify and 2) perform |
| 20:17.19 | stderr- | so you can either say "well, I think the internet should be exempt from warrants" (which seems unreasonable), or "I think warrants should be able to be executed on the internet" (which is a hard problem) |
| 20:17.43 | fungus | I totally agree. It's another careful balance issue. It's difficult to tap someones email after you get a warrant if you don't already have taps installed everywhere. |
| 20:18.06 | stderr- | Right. |
| 20:18.39 | fungus | Perhaps in that case privacy may be more important than ability to serve a warrant. Maybe? |
| 20:18.45 | stderr- | What the _real_ problem with the NSA "domestic spying" is, is that they're sharing that information (allegedly) with organizations that aren't specified in the original (secret) warrant |
| 20:19.02 | stderr- | and the main organization there is the DEA |
| 20:19.03 | fungus | Agreed. |
| 20:19.57 | stderr- | so they'll find this unrelated information (to the warrant) during the course of their "spying" - let's say, 20 pounds of cocaine are being transported across state lines, or something - and then they share that information with the DEA |
| 20:21.05 | stderr- | which is _just as much a violation of privacy, constitutionally, as finding out any benign information (what your favorite TV show is, by your viewership habits, or whatever)_ |
| 20:21.23 | stderr- | so the DEA now has this illegally appropriated information |
| 20:21.38 | stderr- | they stop the car with the cocaine, make arrests |
| 20:21.56 | stderr- | then DON'T SHARE the source of the information with the defense attorneys or presiding judge |
| 20:22.22 | stderr- | or, the DEA will SHARE that information with local police forces |
| 20:22.57 | stderr- | that's one of the nightmare scenarios, and it's happening, as we speak |
| 20:23.50 | stderr- | Now, you can say "well, I don't want cocaine on the streets, good for them". But they're violating the very core of our constitutional rights by doing that. If they don't have to justify, reasonably, why they stopped the car, they don't have to justify it when they stop you and find something the State deems illegal. |
| 20:24.19 | stderr- | this attitude has PERMEATED our nation down to the local police forces. |
| 20:24.27 | stderr- | The stop and frisk programs in New York. |
| 20:25.21 | stderr- | The "random" drug searches by drug dogs (who respond to their handlers wishes, NOT to any particular scent) of cars driven by "suspicious" minorities. |
| 20:26.06 | stderr- | this has been a problem for a long long time. |
| 20:26.16 | stderr- | At first it was the poor and the disencranchised being abused in this way, mostly. |
| 20:26.48 | fungus | yup, but without strong privacy policy enshrined in law, it's going to continue. |
| 20:27.29 | fungus | Right now we just have limited piecemeal restrictions scattered all over the US Code. |
| 20:28.11 | stderr- | Well they've been picked apart by the Supreme Court too. |
| 20:28.19 | stderr- | in the name of "fighting crime". |
| 20:28.55 | stderr- | My general point is that if you want to fight for privacy, you HAVE to fight for these cases that come before the Supreme Court where they're stripping privacy rights from "drug dealers" and the like. |
| 20:29.35 | stderr- | It doesn't matter what they're doing, if the cops don't have probable cause (and I mean real probable cause, not the joke it has become), they shouldn't be allowed to violate the suspects rights. |
| 20:30.22 | fungus | Yes, but on another front we need to lobby Congress for a more general law defining privacy limits. Possibly even a new amendment. |
| 20:31.02 | stderr- | Honestly, I don't really care about internet privacy. |
| 20:31.08 | stderr- | If you want privacy on the internet, you can get it. |
| 20:31.32 | stderr- | there's no onion routing for your physical home, though. |
| 20:31.32 | ninnypants | don't forget war on drugs has also created civil forfeiture |
| 20:33.11 | fungus | not just internet privacy, all privacy. person, home, paper, voice, etc. |
| 20:33.30 | stderr- | fungus: absolutely, but I don't think you start by fighting for internet privacy or complaining about the NSA. |
| 20:33.55 | stderr- | We have to fight to get back the rights in our homes first. |
| 20:34.04 | fungus | agreed, we need a general, strong, clear, all-encompassing privacy policy defined. |
| 20:34.04 | mindjuju | don't forget police cars that have been fitted with cameras and GPS to log license plates they encounter as they drive by other cars |
| 20:34.13 | mindjuju | creating a virtual map of where everybody is at a particular time |
| 20:34.33 | HumanCell | those are also being implemented on private vehicles! |
| 20:35.00 | mindjuju | ...sigh... wasn't aware of the private vehicles having that, but not surprised |
| 20:35.03 | mindjuju | just saddened |
| 20:35.17 | HumanCell | I was reading an article that a couple of the largest bounty hunters are behind a nationwide network of car scouts. |
| 20:35.23 | stderr- | I'd start with stopping these militarized, no knock raids. |
| 20:35.43 | stderr- | like that guy in Ogden who was killed by police officers during a no knock raid. |
| 20:35.46 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I would guess that traffic cameras do the same |
| 20:36.18 | stderr- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSfOBPlY2n0 NSFL |
| 20:36.31 | HumanCell | I want to build a camera/digital sign to put on our street ... so that I can record license plates, and speed ... and flash a sign telling them how many times they have sped by, and at what speeds! |
| 20:36.37 | mindjuju | so stderr-, i've got to admit, i complained about that for a while but shifted my focus to more internet bound invasions of privacy, mainly because I didn't know how to effectively counter police militarization |
| 20:36.41 | stderr- | in Iraq I probably would've been court martialed for shooting that guy under those circumstances. |
| 20:36.59 | mindjuju | i mean, i monitor various news notes about the militarization, but not sure what to do about it |
| 20:37.09 | stderr- | mindjuju: I don't really know any way either, I just bring it up whenever I can. |
| 20:38.13 | stderr- | one of the reasonable ways is to argue against the War on Drugs. |
| 20:38.14 | mindjuju | stderr-: i'm sure you saw this http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2013/09/dallas_county_now_has_its_very.php?page=all |
| 20:38.25 | stderr- | That's where all the money for this military-style training and gear is coming from. |
| 20:38.48 | stderr- | mindjuju: yea, ridiculous. |
| 20:39.16 | stderr- | or the UAVs that cities are buying up to ostensibly look for marijuana being grown or what have you. |
| 20:39.58 | stderr- | I mean you can be the most anti-drug person ever, but you have to open your eyes. Once the infrastructure is in place, do you really think they're gonna clean up all the pot smoking hippies then get rid of the equipment? |
| 20:40.28 | stderr- | good luck trying to have police forces give up their ridiculous SWAT budgets and equipment. |
| 20:41.18 | mindjuju | yeah, i was just reading the other day, there is a sharp increase of incidents of where SWAT teams are being used to handle warrants |
| 20:41.42 | stderr- | it's because they're being trained to act like a military unit, and not a police force. |
| 20:41.42 | mindjuju | i hadn't really connected it to drug enforcement, but i don't really have an arguement against it |
| 20:41.50 | stderr- | There's a significant difference. Ask anyone who served in Iraq. |
| 20:42.21 | josephscott | hahaha, to better serve warrants, that is a good one |
| 20:42.39 | stderr- | one of the main training objectives of a leader trying to turn a group of people into a militarized force is the dehumanization of the "enemy". |
| 20:42.47 | stderr- | With that in mind, take a look at some of these police t-shirts |
| 20:42.53 | stderr- | http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1204993/original.jpg |
| 20:43.02 | stderr- | http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1204987/original.jpg |
| 20:43.11 | stderr- | http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1205005/thumbs/o-BEATCROWDS-570.jpg?4 |
| 20:43.16 | HumanCell | http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/10/nyc-police-search-for-owner-of-drone-that-crashed-in-midtown/ |
| 20:43.19 | stderr- | http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1205012/thumbs/o-SCUM-570.jpg?6 |
| 20:43.20 | HumanCell | Drone crash. |
| 20:43.27 | stderr- | http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1205020/original.jpg |
| 20:43.32 | stderr- | http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1205107/original.jpg |
| 20:43.37 | stderr- | http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1205024/original.jpg |
| 20:43.50 | HumanCell | I read where someone was proposing that all drines will have to have license plates. |
| 20:43.55 | HumanCell | drones |
| 20:44.01 | stderr- | I suggest everyone who is interested in this read Radley Balko's Rise of the Warrior Cop. |
| 20:44.47 | stderr- | Here's something he just wrote re: Utah's militarization of its police forces http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/11/utah-refuses-to-disclose-_n_4086224.html |
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| 20:46.51 | HumanCell | "An error (503 Service Unavailable) has occured in response to this request. " |
| 20:47.01 | mindjuju | yup, same |
| 20:47.07 | mindjuju | i wonder if there is a google cache on it |
| 20:47.28 | stderr- | which one? |
| 20:47.30 | stderr- | the article? |
| 20:47.48 | mindjuju | yeah, the huffpo |
| 20:47.55 | stderr- | hmm, working fine for me. |
| 20:48.05 | mindjuju | and i routed to it alternatively through google, gives me the same b0rked link |
| 20:48.09 | mindjuju | is this similar: |
| 20:48.12 | mindjuju | http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/article-18006-radley-balko-police-.html |
| 20:49.00 | mindjuju | hmm, i think this book was mentioned on Radioactive the other day |
| 20:49.08 | mindjuju | i remember hearing about this book |
| 20:49.49 | stderr- | nah that's just generally about Balko. the article I posted was about a libertarian institute filing an open records request to the Utah government to find out what they had received in the 1033 program and how they meant to use it. |
| 20:49.57 | fungus | is Radioactive a talk show for conspiracy theorist kooks? |
| 20:50.32 | stderr- | (the 1033 program is a Department of Defense initiative where surplus military equipment - weapons, tanks, helicopters, etc - is basically given to local police forces that request it) |
| 20:50.40 | mindjuju | no, radioactive is on KRCL |
| 20:50.50 | mindjuju | http://www.krcl.org/category/radioactive/ |
| 20:51.04 | mindjuju | i don't often agree with the politics, but i listen to them to see what others think |
| 20:51.12 | stderr- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DLA_Disposition_Services |
| 20:51.24 | stderr- | mindjuju: I think you'd like Balko. He's pretty conservative. |
| 20:51.36 | stderr- | libertarian conservative, that is. |
| 20:51.52 | mindjuju | i am interested in it |
| 20:52.21 | mindjuju | ever since you got roughed up by police that one time years ago, i've been reading up on those issues |
| 20:52.26 | fungus | I used to listen to shows to get other points of view (Rush,Savage,etc). After a few months I was so angry with all the hate fueled evil, I had to quit. |
| 20:52.45 | mindjuju | fungus: RadioActive isn't the least bit conservative |
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| 20:53.01 | stderr- | fungus: eh, you gotta listen to the 'sane' conservatives. |
| 20:53.05 | fungus | I'm not anti-conservative, I'm just anti-kook and anti-hate |
| 20:53.57 | fungus | stderr-, any recommendations? of sane ones? |
| 20:54.03 | stderr- | I probably have as many conservative beliefs as I do liberal beliefs, though. I'm a tough nut for label placers to crack. |
| 20:54.04 | fungus | mindjuju, same for you. |
| 20:55.40 | stderr- | fungus: Napolitano |
| 20:56.26 | stderr- | Stossel isn't horrible |
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| 20:57.21 | stderr- | O'Reilly panders a lot and feigns outrage, but he's certainly saner than Rush or Savage |
| 20:57.55 | fungus | If they deny climate change, evolution, Obama's birth place, or hate people based on attributes they can't change, I don't wanna listen. |
| 20:58.34 | mindjuju | fungus, truthfully i don't listen to conservatives. i find i'm conservative enough on my own. I just poll a lot of news sources and go with what i feel |
| 20:58.57 | mindjuju | that's why i'm listening to far left, left, centric, and a little right |
| 20:59.15 | stderr- | I don't listen to the far left much. |
| 20:59.19 | stderr- | They're equally obnoxious. |
| 20:59.20 | fungus | I'm trying to expand, but it's hard to find stuff that isn't cuckoo |
| 20:59.52 | stderr- | the whole anti-drone movement (as far as foreign wars go) always gets me. |
| 20:59.55 | mindjuju | you know, that's true stderr- but sometimes there is news that the extremes will report that the center newssources don't |
| 21:00.37 | ninnypants | http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-passionate-defender-of-what-he-imagines-c,2849/ |
| 21:00.42 | stderr- | yea but a lot of the times the news they're reporting is so altered and exaggerated that it's too much work to even get to the truth. |
| 21:00.44 | mindjuju | like a couple elections back, for the DNC conference, there were temporary jails setup for codepink and the like |
| 21:01.06 | mindjuju | that was reported through KRCL, and i researched it and it was actually true |
| 21:01.26 | stderr- | I thought that was reported most places |
| 21:01.51 | mindjuju | maybe i missed the national reporting on it then |
| 21:02.02 | stderr- | I don't know, I barely pay attention to the news anymore. |
| 21:02.06 | mindjuju | but i still think there is merit in hearing their argument |
| 21:02.10 | stderr- | Oh Congress can't get along? Shooooooooooooocking. |
| 21:03.00 | mindjuju | but i certainly do share your same concern with police militarization |
| 21:03.33 | stderr- | http://www.reddit.com/r/bad_cop_no_donut |
| 21:04.11 | mindjuju | and he's a supervisor no less |
| 21:06.27 | mindjuju | that huffpo article you posted finally showed |
| 21:06.38 | mindjuju | about boyack |
| 22:12.46 | TuxToaster | ~rlart |
| 22:12.46 | infobot | installs a bad bootloader on itimber1 and turns itimber1 into a brick |
| 22:18.27 | ninnypants | ~rlart |
| 22:18.27 | infobot | flings poo at SunSparc |
| 22:18.55 | SunSparc | ~lart ninnypants |
| 22:18.55 | infobot | --purges ninnypants |
| 22:19.21 | ninnypants | bash error so nothing happened |
| 22:19.22 | SunSparc | ~lolstats ninnypants |
| 22:19.30 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:26.33 | ninnypants | ~lolstats SunSparc |
| 22:26.33 | infobot | SunSparc has said lol 627 times (11.0 %), ranked 3/133 (percentile: 2.3 %) |
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| 23:06.20 | josephscott | watching the live senate feed at - http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/cvplive/cvpstream2.html |
| 23:06.38 | josephscott | these senators are sad |
| 23:15.28 | KingMichael | for real |
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