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| 15:06.10 | ninnypants | ~rlart |
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| 15:09.10 | ninnypants | mindjuju: did you see this http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/56974620-90/utah-data-center-fourth.html.csp |
| 15:13.43 | mindjuju | oh nice! |
| 15:14.25 | mindjuju | i thought it was the article about how everytime they fire up one of the datacenter rooms, apparently huge arcs appear in this one electrical closet and it costs 100k to buy new stuff to throw back in |
| 15:14.39 | mindjuju | apparently its arced all 4 times they tried |
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| 15:16.45 | mindjuju | this has mostly the same info the article i read stated |
| 15:16.49 | mindjuju | http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/10/07/the-nsas-hugely-expensive-utah-data-center-has-major-electrical-problems-and-basically-isnt-working/ |
| 15:17.07 | mindjuju | it just doesn't state that htey've tried it four times already, but if you google for it, you'll find it |
| 15:19.02 | ninnypants | mindjuju: the article says 10 in the last year "There have been 10 meltdowns in the past 13 months" |
| 15:19.35 | mindjuju | ouch |
| 15:19.44 | mindjuju | even worse, i just skimmed it quick for the numeral 4 |
| 15:19.44 | ninnypants | guess it's not referring explicitly to arcs though |
| 15:19.55 | mindjuju | oh gotcha |
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| 15:20.11 | mindjuju | its something about this particular closet that makes it so expensive |
| 15:21.46 | ninnypants | ok apparently it has been 10 arcs combined with more problems |
| 15:22.23 | ninnypants | ~fungus++ |
| 15:22.31 | ninnypants | ~mindjuju++ |
| 15:23.05 | ninnypants | mindjuju: do you run a vpn out of your house? |
| 15:23.42 | mindjuju | yes |
| 15:23.59 | mindjuju | openvpn provided by pfsense |
| 15:24.19 | mindjuju | sorry, that's prolly confusing |
| 15:24.30 | mindjuju | i use pfsense, and they have an implementation of openvpn |
| 15:25.18 | ninnypants | so you're using pfsense at the switch level and it runs open vpn? |
| 15:26.11 | mindjuju | so it looks like this |
| 15:27.27 | mindjuju | comcrap -> cable modem -> pfsense -> home network |
| 15:27.59 | ninnypants | what're you running pfsense on? just an old tower? |
| 15:28.14 | mindjuju | works nice because sometimes i'll be at school doing research and i'll print out all articles at home |
| 15:28.22 | mindjuju | yup, an old P3 box |
| 15:28.31 | mindjuju | it's been up for like 5yrs constantly on |
| 15:28.55 | mindjuju | fungus reminded me though that it's prolly snarfing up electricity for such a small function and to consider going smaller |
| 15:29.00 | mindjuju | which i plan to do when this one dies |
| 15:29.40 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: http://soekris.com/ |
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| 15:32.51 | DexterTheDragon | I run my network off the 5501 |
| 15:35.26 | mindjuju | i like that it has 4 ports on it, i actually run 2 subnets off my pfsense |
| 15:36.22 | DexterTheDragon | there's also these http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/firewall_systems |
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| 15:43.51 | mindjuju | seems a lot of people are complaining about the healthcare.gov website |
| 15:43.59 | mindjuju | let's have us a little look-see |
| 15:44.02 | mindjuju | https://www.healthcare.gov/marketplace/global/en_US/registration.js |
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| 16:06.05 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I read one argument that maybe it's not the actual healthcare.gov site that has issues but the apis behind it, so the people who built healthcare.gov weren't told how much the apis behind could handle so it ended up blowing up in that way more than not being able to serve the site |
| 16:08.01 | fungus | DtD, those soekris boxes seem quite expensive compared to their AMD brothers. |
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| 16:18.52 | mindjuju | fungus, have link for some of those amd brothers you mentioned |
| 16:19.28 | mindjuju | ninnypants: that possible, i was just curious about the visible code how good it was for the $645million we paid for it (supposedly, not confirmed htough) |
| 16:20.47 | shalkie | I thought it was 88M |
| 16:20.57 | fungus | s/AMD/ARM/ |
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| 16:22.03 | fungus | mindjuju, here is a recent one that I remembered, but there are others. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/99-arm-based-pc-runs-either-ubuntu-or-android/ |
| 16:22.38 | mindjuju | shalkie: http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/10/10/132221/cost-of-healthcaregov-634-million-so-far?utm_source=rss1.0moreanon&utm_medium=feed |
| 16:25.39 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I'm thinking of maybe just getting a raspberry pi that will run as a vpn box for now since I'm not sure how the new google fiber stuff will work once it's installed |
| 16:26.28 | fungus | ninnypants, a cubieboard is similar to an rPi, but is much much faster. |
| 16:26.56 | mindjuju | remember goog fiber no allow home servers / business servers |
| 16:26.59 | fungus | and only a little more expensive |
| 16:27.45 | DexterTheDragon | fungus: true, but soekris has been around longer than new wave of ARM systems and pfsense doesn't run on ARM |
| 16:28.02 | fungus | ahh, bummer. |
| 16:29.12 | shalkie | ninnypants: I will be curious what your experience on google fiber is like. |
| 16:29.56 | shalkie | mindjuju: He could always use the pi as a client to VPN server in <booming voice> THE CLOUD </booming voice>. :-) Join up that way. |
| 16:30.28 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:30.28 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I don't run any home servers but I want to lock my server ssh access down to just my home static IP so I need a way to access from outside |
| 16:32.01 | shalkie | ninnypants: Do you know if they are giving routeable IPs? |
| 16:32.19 | mindjuju | so ninnypants, you may not want to be so restrictive |
| 16:32.43 | mindjuju | my home IP has changed 3 times in the last month |
| 16:32.53 | mindjuju | before that, it was the same for prolly 2 years |
| 16:33.50 | mindjuju | i now have a home computer checking its external IP and writing to a file that happens to be in a dropbox folder |
| 16:35.30 | fungus | mindjuju, cool idea, but did you ever consider DynDNS or something similar |
| 16:35.39 | ninnypants | mindjuju: interesting mine has been static for the ~4 years I've lived here |
| 16:35.53 | mindjuju | hate becoming cutoff from the home network because they changed my IP and i'm not at home to get it |
| 16:37.17 | mindjuju | i can't remember why i decided against dyndns |
| 16:41.01 | fungus | It's much easier than consulting a file in a dropbox folder. |
| 16:41.53 | mindjuju | you know ninnypants, i recall a conversation once at a UTOS conference where a guy said he had one server with very little services (very low attack profile) that had a static IP, and from there he remoted to his various servers that had their ssh locked down to only accept that IP |
| 16:42.16 | mindjuju | this gave him the ability to remote from anywhere |
| 16:42.28 | mindjuju | and still enjoy the benefits of a locked down ssh |
| 16:42.40 | DexterTheDragon | the correct answer is port knocking |
| 16:43.02 | mindjuju | i'm not sure if that's the best idea, better if fungus or peno comment on that, but i remember hearing that as an idea |
| 16:43.27 | mindjuju | DtD, every time I say the words: port knocking , heartsbane growls at me |
| 16:44.17 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: https://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/Dynamic_DNS |
| 16:44.44 | fungus | wow pfsense supports a ton of Dynamic DNS providers. Nice. |
| 16:47.59 | mindjuju | that's pretty cool! |
| 16:55.24 | josephscott | mindjuju: that setup you describe is often referred to as a bastion host |
| 16:56.27 | fungus | yup it's a decent setup too. Just make sure you protect your bastion host very well. |
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| 17:00.07 | mindjuju | i htought that is what it was called, but wiki said a bastion host was in a DMZ and thats where i thought i'd heard the name wrong |
| 17:17.29 | Heartsbane | Do whatcha want I got a meeting to go to |
| 17:23.28 | ninnypants | mindjuju: so are we still on for tomorrow? |
| 17:24.05 | mindjuju | i don't know that we ever decided a place |
| 17:24.58 | mindjuju | i think we need to find a fungus-friendly, not indian food place to eat |
| 17:25.39 | mindjuju | i think that leaves: zupas, noodles, asian buffet, applebees |
| 17:26.35 | ninnypants | I could do any of those are there any python people coming that will have just had applebees the night before? |
| 17:30.18 | DexterTheDragon | I think utahpython is doing zupas tonight |
| 17:34.53 | mindjuju | so prolly not zupas |
| 17:35.07 | mindjuju | has anybody eaten at noodles, is it any good? |
| 17:35.34 | mindjuju | i'm afraid i've been spoiled by living in china where the noodle shops make noodles right there |
| 17:35.43 | herlo | noodles is good |
| 17:35.51 | herlo | and it's not like chinese noodles |
| 17:35.58 | mindjuju | curious |
| 17:36.08 | mindjuju | i just assumed it was |
| 17:36.12 | mindjuju | what kind of noodles is it? |
| 17:36.20 | herlo | they have chinese and other noodles too |
| 17:37.55 | mindjuju | oh and there was a suggestion of chipotle |
| 17:37.58 | mindjuju | i think in sandy |
| 17:38.15 | herlo | yeah, chipotle is good |
| 17:38.27 | mindjuju | that's debateable ;) |
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| 17:41.08 | herlo | no, it's subjective |
| 17:43.17 | djedi | I can confirm, Utah Python will have Zupas tonight |
| 17:44.54 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I'm leaning toward applebees or asian buffet not sure how fungus friendly either is though |
| 17:45.52 | mindjuju | applebees is pretty fungus friendly though since its lunch time, he prolly can't have a cosmo ;) |
| 17:48.02 | herlo | Zupas! |
| 17:49.41 | ninnypants | herlo: you're coming out to talk politics with mindjuju? |
| 17:50.07 | herlo | no |
| 17:52.28 | josephscott | mmmm chipotle :-) |
| 17:52.52 | fungus | chipotle is quite good. |
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| 17:53.03 | herlo | yummy chipotle. I could discuss the politics of which burrito chain is best... |
| 17:53.09 | herlo | :) |
| 17:53.15 | josephscott | haha |
| 17:53.22 | herlo | as long as we only talk about the food |
| 17:54.39 | fungus | Their new "sofritas" add in is pretty good, but a little too spicy for me. |
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| 18:00.47 | mindjuju | sounds like a consensus is building around chipotle |
| 18:06.20 | fungus | be sure to stock up on Chipotlaway though. |
| 18:06.33 | mindjuju | oh man! i didn't want to say anything |
| 18:06.39 | mindjuju | but i can't stop thinking about that |
| 18:06.46 | fungus | lol |
| 18:06.47 | josephscott | Chipotlaway ? |
| 18:06.57 | fungus | http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/251865/billy-mays-here |
| 18:07.16 | mindjuju | oh man, i was dying every time somebody mentioned chipotle |
| 18:07.26 | josephscott | not a south park guy, so I won't be clicking on that |
| 18:08.17 | mindjuju | k, sounds like chipotle it is if everyboyd is happy |
| 18:08.31 | mindjuju | what time, 1p? |
| 18:09.50 | ninnypants | sounds good to me |
| 18:10.50 | DexterTheDragon | works for me |
| 18:11.33 | mindjuju | awesome, that makes it easier for me :) |
| 18:11.37 | mindjuju | fungus, that work for you? |
| 18:12.02 | fungus | sure |
| 18:12.04 | mindjuju | josephscott: you coming? |
| 18:12.06 | josephscott | strong possibility that I'll be there |
| 18:12.37 | josephscott | I'll plan on it |
| 18:12.50 | josephscott | this is the chipotle in Sandy on State St right? |
| 18:12.54 | mindjuju | herlo, could be fun! and various political view points and we'll stop before somebody's feelings get hurt |
| 18:13.06 | mindjuju | josephscott: which ever one is the closest to the freeway would be good |
| 18:13.25 | josephscott | yeah, it is just off the 10600 South exit |
| 18:13.42 | mindjuju | sounds perfecto :) |
| 18:14.13 | mindjuju | i've actually got to step away to handle a printer pool issue, i'll be back in a few |
| 18:14.59 | unum | I liked Bajio's chimichungas |
| 18:15.15 | unum | I only ate at chipotle once a few years ago, I can't remember what I got but I didn't like it |
| 18:16.28 | unum | I like the ranchero at Beto's |
| 18:17.58 | herlo | mindjuju: not interested, but thatnks |
| 18:18.05 | herlo | plus, I already have lunch plans tomorrow :) |
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| 19:56.44 | TuxToaster | ~rlart |
| 19:56.44 | infobot | shoves a crumpet down HumanCell's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 19:56.58 | TuxToaster | ~8ball are you disgruntled? |
| 19:56.58 | infobot | I'm not sure. |
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| 20:04.31 | TuxToaster | this is true |
| 20:04.41 | TuxToaster | infobot: how about a nice crumpet? |
| 20:05.05 | TuxToaster | bah |
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| 20:25.20 | mindjuju | anybody know if it is possible to reprint a print out using the .tmp file? |
| 20:25.32 | herlo | probably |
| 20:25.43 | herlo | just lpr it and find out |
| 20:52.22 | ninnypants | what's the most common way of storing selenium tests are most people just storing in a tests directory in their main repository or do you have a separate repo for tests? |
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| 21:21.23 | eggyknap | Hrm... my 2 year old is walking around with a spoon and a can of frosting. Oh dear. |
| 21:32.15 | ninnypants | eggyknap: sounds like it could be a blocker for bedtime |
| 21:37.38 | eggyknap | That kid won't eat anything but sugar. Sigh. |
| 21:38.28 | herlo | ninnypants: no just a blocker for sleep |
| 21:38.41 | herlo | bedtime will happen, it'll just happen multiple times, probably :) |
| 21:38.54 | eggyknap | It generally does, anyway. |
| 21:39.00 | herlo | :) |
| 21:39.01 | ninnypants | herlo: good point it's just bad for the bedtime deadline for the sleep launch ;) |
| 21:39.21 | ninnypants | our second bedtime happens around 1 or 2 am |
| 21:39.34 | herlo | haha |
| 21:39.45 | eggyknap | We're expecting kid #5 in January, have a demanding frosting-eating 2 year old, and are currently tending a 3-wk old baby for an indeterminate length of time. Sleep doesn't happen anyway. |
| 21:40.03 | herlo | whee! Sleep is for the weak! |
| 21:40.14 | eggyknap | Fortunately the puppies got old enough to quit needing night-time feedings. Unfortunately they also got parvil and died of dehydration while bleeding out on our front porch. |
| 21:40.34 | ninnypants | eggyknap: when in January we're expecting #2 around the 27th |
| 21:40.42 | eggyknap | The 10th, more or less. |
| 21:41.00 | eggyknap | .oO("#2? That's *nothing*!!1") |
| 21:41.01 | eggyknap | j/k |
| 21:41.19 | ninnypants | not compared to #5 for sure |
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| 22:15.21 | ninnypants | on tests again how are people storing theirs is it common to keep a directory called tests stored along with the other project files in git and just excluding the folder from deploys or is it better to have a completely separate repo for tests? |
| 22:16.24 | DexterTheDragon | ninnypants: I always keep the tests in with the project |
| 22:17.48 | ninnypants | ok that's what I was thinking was pretty common and made sense but I wasn't sure if there was a reason to keep them separate |
| 22:27.23 | eggyknap | +1 for tests being close to code. |
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