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| 17:21.00 | TuxToaster | ~rlart |
| 17:21.00 | infobot | frags macnewbold with his BFG9000 |
| 17:22.41 | mindjuju | SunSparc: this somehow seems appropriate after reading all the con law scholars opining about the government these days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0 |
| 17:22.49 | mindjuju | on facebook that is |
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| 17:23.21 | mindjuju | forward over to 1 minute in to get to the good goverment stuff |
| 17:26.53 | mindjuju | here is a better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0&t=1m0s |
| 17:26.56 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Classic. |
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| 18:07.44 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I've been trying to stay away from political stuff on facebook but the monty python is good |
| 18:08.17 | mindjuju | ;) |
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| 18:10.28 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I've found that there is too many feelings behind most people's posts so there's no point in discussing because they'll get mad |
| 18:10.41 | mindjuju | v true |
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| 18:11.50 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I've been running munin for a while know and haven't had any more issues |
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| 18:12.27 | mindjuju | how do you like munin? |
| 18:13.46 | ninnypants | not sure what the heck is going on memory is always at pretty low usage levels though it sometimes over commits memory but nothing has gone into swap or anything that would have cause process killing |
| 18:14.11 | ninnypants | mindjuju: it's interesting for seeing what's happening though I wish I could drill down into the graphs a little more |
| 18:14.51 | mindjuju | i wonder if a bot is scraping your site and that's causing the additional load? |
| 18:15.29 | ninnypants | mindjuju: maybe I have seen some random spikes but still haven't hit swap |
| 18:18.01 | ninnypants | I even added another site to the server last night without much change in memory usage |
| 18:18.18 | ninnypants | and that'll probably go away once I setup caching |
| 18:18.30 | herlo | mindjuju: munin is nice |
| 18:18.45 | herlo | ninnypants: how far do you need to go? Millisecond? |
| 18:19.32 | ninnypants | herlo: no just being able to go in and see what happened over an hour or so more closely could be nice |
| 18:20.00 | ninnypants | I have munin set up to only gather data every 5 minutes or so right now |
| 18:20.29 | herlo | ninnypants: you can do that for sure |
| 18:20.46 | herlo | it gathers data over time, but the views can be adjusted to your needs |
| 18:21.56 | ninnypants | herlo: yeah it would be nice to have a simpler way to view it rather than having to go into the command line |
| 18:22.27 | ninnypants | it would also be cool to see some of this kind of stuff run with js graphing instead of stored images |
| 18:22.58 | herlo | ninnypants: no, you can change the config to keep more data. Plus there's a view scope built right in. I don't recall the exact configurations atm though. |
| 18:23.08 | herlo | the data will show up in a graph on the web browser |
| 18:23.16 | herlo | it usually starts at like 12 hours or something iirc |
| 18:23.39 | ninnypants | I believe it's by 24 hours |
| 18:24.10 | herlo | you want more data than that? |
| 18:24.22 | herlo | You can get the historical daily data. |
| 18:24.27 | ninnypants | and I can see the graphs but they're just images I was thinking it might be neat to setup a server by itself that hosted munin and use js graphs so you could zoom and pan things like that is why I was thinking js in the browser for graphs |
| 18:25.57 | ninnypants | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.54 | herlo | oh, yeah, it's clickable, but not 'zoomable' really. |
| 18:27.01 | herlo | the click into another view is nice though |
| 18:27.20 | herlo | I haven't had a need to zoom into an image like that, since clicking the image will automatically drill down |
| 18:27.50 | herlo | it has been a couple of years though since I tinkered with munin. That would be a nice feature. |
| 18:28.39 | ninnypants | yeah so by default you can see day/week on the main page then if you click on that you can see day week month and year |
| 18:28.57 | ninnypants | and explinations for what each thing is |
| 18:29.36 | herlo | you should be able to drill down to the shortest gather time frame too |
| 18:29.55 | herlo | like if you are gathering data every 10 seconds, you should be able to drill down to that iirc |
| 18:30.25 | ninnypants | herlo: yeah I haven't played much with it yet just set it up with the defaults and have been watching to see if I can see trends |
| 18:31.02 | herlo | cool |
| 18:31.05 | ninnypants | what's been happening is that around once a week my server will kill mysql because it's "OOM" |
| 18:31.06 | herlo | glad you found it |
| 18:31.11 | herlo | if you have further questions, please let me know... |
| 18:31.25 | herlo | yeah, you'll find that one quickly I bet |
| 18:31.37 | herlo | you can make munin alert for you too |
| 18:31.54 | ninnypants | it hasn't happened since I setup the monitoring is the strange thing |
| 18:32.18 | mindjuju | true that on OOM, it'll affect munin's ability to collect data (since it's an OOM) so your graph will just suddenly stop and have gaps off when OOM and when memory returned |
| 18:32.41 | ninnypants | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.57 | ninnypants | I'm thinking maybe something like varnish would be good too just to make sure I have good fast caching |
| 18:33.15 | herlo | yeah, varnish is nice |
| 18:33.55 | ninnypants | right now I'm using a plugin for wordpress that caches on disk and serves with htaccess and I'm wondering if doing caching with varnish will speed things up at all |
| 18:34.32 | ninnypants | I'm thinking that varnish would probably be faster than the regex that is run in the htaccess currently |
| 18:35.25 | herlo | probably |
| 18:35.32 | herlo | nginx proxying might help you too |
| 18:35.40 | herlo | rather than varnish |
| 18:36.14 | herlo | not sure how much performance you will get out of varnish, but it's a bit more work than setting up a proxy with nginx iirc |
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| 18:37.37 | ninnypants | herlo: I had trouble getting nginx running for me but that's more of just needing to dig in and getting it figured out |
| 18:37.57 | herlo | really? I can help there for sure |
| 18:40.26 | herlo | xpert no, capable of reading docs, yes :) |
| 18:40.32 | herlo | and I've done a few things more nowadays with it |
| 18:46.12 | ninnypants | nginx seems simple enough I got some sites running through it, but I wanted to get things up faster than I was so I switched over to apache |
| 18:46.41 | herlo | apache is not faster |
| 18:47.03 | herlo | nginx configs are generally simpler too, but different. So there's a learning curve. |
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| 19:02.08 | ninnypants | herlo: I meant faster for me to get up not a faster webserver. Since I didn't know nginx it was faster for me to just build some virtualhost files and throw sites up than to figure out what was going on with nginx |
| 19:02.38 | herlo | right, I knew what you meant |
| 19:02.55 | herlo | but even still, the configs on nginx seem more intuitive once you tinker with them for a bit |
| 19:03.01 | herlo | like rewrite rules, for instance are way simpler |
| 19:03.13 | herlo | well, simpler at least |
| 19:37.56 | ninnypants | I guess Mike Lee decided publicly announcing that he was going to keep his paycheck was a bad idea http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2013/10/politics/shutdown-congress-paychecks/index.html |
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| 20:29.44 | mindjuju | so mgeary, you having pancakes tomorrow? |
| 20:30.05 | mindjuju | https://www.facebook.com/events/1420669038147300/?ref_newsfeed_story_type=regular |
| 20:30.15 | mgeary | mindjuju: i'll push for French toast |
| 20:30.27 | mgeary | no, i'm not going to that |
| 20:31.51 | mindjuju | not even for pancakes? wow |
| 20:32.32 | mindjuju | if i find myself awake at that time, i might just have to stop by and hear what's being said |
| 20:33.32 | mgeary | looks like Maren Kirwan just lives around the corner from our elementary school |
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| 20:34.06 | mgeary | but yeah, i've never really liked "organizing" much. People get all weird |
| 20:34.13 | mindjuju | heh |
| 20:35.19 | mgeary | i took German all through HS and College (majored in it), but invariably at the German club events, i was surrounded by people that i had difficulty identifying with |
| 20:35.55 | mgeary | seems to happen with many democrats, too (and republicans, for that matter). maybe i'm just snobby |
| 20:36.22 | mindjuju | i've worked both parties when i was in high school, you're right on that |
| 20:36.50 | mindjuju | met career politicians who were just starting out, seeing them position themselves for a job, and not necessarily the public's interest |
| 20:37.23 | mgeary | and not necessarily even their *own* beliefs/interests |
| 20:37.42 | mgeary | the fringes tend to take over |
| 20:38.32 | mindjuju | mgeary, this will give you a laugh, as a hs junior i worked on Ann Richard's (Texas Democrat Governor candidate at the time) campaign, then when she was elected, was invited to Austin and given tickets to the events and galas |
| 20:38.40 | mindjuju | WAY fun times |
| 20:39.01 | mgeary | that must have been an experience |
| 20:39.36 | mindjuju | the hs principal was way progressive, he cleared all my classes for me, yeah, it was good times |
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| 21:32.34 | ninnypants | mindjuju: there hasn't been a lot of talk, but I'm curious what are your thoughts on the shut down? |
| 21:34.04 | mindjuju | ninnypants: that's a great question, the answer... |
| 21:34.08 | mindjuju | it's relative ;) |
| 21:34.32 | mindjuju | i LOVE reading everybody opine and bash each other over the head on FB about who is at fault |
| 21:34.50 | mindjuju | and the answer is, it's relative to your political stance as to who is at fault (or even if there is a fault) |
| 21:36.02 | mindjuju | what we really need to do is everybody stop fighting long enough to develop a consensus and move forward with it |
| 21:40.58 | ninnypants | mindjuju: agreed |
| 21:41.11 | mindjuju | any way, that's my opinion of who is REALLY at fault, it depends on your political ideology |
| 21:41.30 | mindjuju | but, i think we should meet up at China Wall and give it a talk |
| 21:41.40 | ninnypants | I read that as political mythology |
| 21:41.53 | ninnypants | mindjuju: could do that |
| 21:42.13 | mindjuju | any body else want to meet up and talk some politics, i should have some time next week coming :) |
| 21:44.38 | josephscott | mindjuju: since the funding bill appears to be held up over funding/not funding the ACA, I would guess that who you blame depends on how much you don't like the ACA |
| 21:45.02 | josephscott | or if that don't like has a high enough threshold to be worth shutting down the fed gov.t |
| 21:45.45 | mindjuju | yup |
| 21:46.16 | mindjuju | and i think most people are agreeable, something needs to be done |
| 21:46.33 | josephscott | I suspect there are plenty of people who don't like the ACA, but not enough that it is worth shutting down the fed gov.t |
| 21:46.37 | mindjuju | so they are somewhat amicable to discussion on solutions |
| 21:46.55 | josephscott | mindjuju: I'm less confident of that |
| 21:47.06 | mindjuju | josephscott = realist |
| 21:47.15 | josephscott | I don't see any path that the senate and president will sign off on defunding the ACA |
| 21:47.18 | mindjuju | that maybe true, but i'm optimistic that people can change |
| 21:47.38 | josephscott | and honestly, even if you don't like the ACA, asking them to defund it in this way seems rather silly |
| 21:48.12 | josephscott | interesting ... |
| 21:48.50 | josephscott | a few articles indicate that there is a bill in the house that takes care of funding the gov.t again, but the speaker of the house won't allow it to come up for a vote |
| 21:49.04 | ninnypants | josephscott: I've heard that as well |
| 21:49.09 | josephscott | because it doesn't include the clause to defund the ACA |
| 21:49.42 | josephscott | and the additional claim is that there is enough votes in the house to pass the non-defund ACA version |
| 21:50.10 | josephscott | well, if that is all true, the person holding all of this up is the speaker of the house by choosing not to allow that bill to come up for a vote |
| 21:51.58 | mindjuju | that simplification may not be accurate |
| 21:54.29 | ninnypants | mindjuju: why is that? |
| 21:56.40 | josephscott | see me "if that is all true" clause ;-) |
| 21:57.11 | josephscott | s/see me/see my/ |
| 21:57.11 | mindjuju | well, John Boehner is voted into office and I suspect that on some level he feels that he is representing his constituents |
| 21:57.41 | mindjuju | cruz seems to also show this, they think they are representing the tea party republicans |
| 21:57.57 | josephscott | the role as speaker of the house isn't voted on by his direct constituents though, that is a political party thing |
| 21:58.20 | josephscott | I guess, in theory, he could turn over control of the house to the minority party |
| 21:58.21 | mindjuju | so it isn't necessarily that boehner is just being boneheaded, there are a sizable group of people who don't want it, and they are representing that need |
| 21:58.56 | josephscott | sure, but your original question involved blame, in terms of who was holding things up |
| 21:59.16 | mindjuju | well, that's true, there has been no shortage of dirty tricks on either side |
| 21:59.49 | ninnypants | seems like if that were the case an extreemly small minority could control the house as long as their speaker was there and could keep bills from being voted on |
| 22:00.14 | josephscott | ninnypants: I believe that is true, given the current set of rules that the house operates under |
| 22:01.12 | fungus | IIRC there is a seldom used rule that allows a majority of the house to bring a bill to the floor and bypass the speaker. |
| 22:02.28 | ninnypants | I think it has to be a super majority |
| 22:02.39 | mindjuju | temp solutions to a long term problem, citizens need to get together and figure things out together |
| 22:02.56 | fungus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discharge_petition |
| 22:03.27 | josephscott | mindjuju: if the last year or so is any indication, congress currently lacks the ability to be functional for more than a few months |
| 22:03.32 | josephscott | which isn't a good sign :-( |
| 22:04.57 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I currently think a temp solution is better than none |
| 22:05.29 | ninnypants | but a lot does need to be done to get citizens or even members of congress working together |
| 22:05.53 | josephscott | sad that we already have another fight scheduled for just a few days from now, over the spending limit |
| 22:06.35 | fungus | I personally believe that shutting the government down is the ultimate in dirty tricks. Especially since the law has already passed through all three branches of government. |
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| 22:07.20 | ninnypants | fungus: also made it through the supreme court |
| 22:07.35 | fungus | yup, that's why I said three branches. |
| 22:09.26 | ninnypants | fungus: for some reason I was thinking judicial was separate for a minute |
| 22:11.17 | DexterTheDragon | and has had 41 failed repel votes |
| 22:11.26 | ninnypants | that too |
| 22:12.00 | fungus | yup, so the the use of these ultimate dirty tricks are the ultimate in poor sportsmanship. |
| 22:12.43 | fungus | talk about taking your ball and going home when doing poorly in a game... |
| 22:25.54 | mgeary | except that it's not their ball |
| 22:26.06 | fungus | lol |
| 22:26.09 | mgeary | they're taking *our* ball and going home |
| 22:26.16 | mgeary | which makes you want to hit them |
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