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15:53.35SunSparccarmony: The topic is stale.  :)
15:54.13*** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Sunsparc thinks this space here is stale
16:01.42SunSparcmindjuju: Better
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16:07.35*** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> This space for rent
16:08.08herlohow much?
16:08.36mindjujuhow much you got?
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16:11.37SunSparcinfobot: frisk herlo
16:11.58herlo$.03
16:11.58romanovicgreat idea! you can sell it to webdev shops.  rent the #uphpu topic line for a week, get your job listings out there
16:12.21SunSparc:)
16:12.37SunSparc~lolstats herlo
16:12.56SunSparcinfobot: status
16:12.56infobotSince Sat Sep  7 18:52:03 2013, there have been 52 modifications, 650 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 319 commands.  I have been awake for 19d 21h 20m 53s this session, and currently reference 119151 factoids.  I'm using about 24756 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 4446.88/69.62 child 0/0
16:12.56romanovicall while supporting the local php/web community
16:13.42SunSparcromanovic: And the proceeds can be used to buy ice cream for monthly meeting attendees.
16:13.52romanovicright
16:14.04SunSparcBrilliant.
16:32.42mindjuju27 minutes until the final Valve announcement
16:32.46mindjujuhttp://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/
16:32.52SunSparcFinal?
16:33.03mindjuju~8ball is it going to be HL3?
16:33.03infobotUnsure.
16:33.08mindjujuthx a heap
16:33.16mindjujuclick the link to see
16:33.28mindjuju~8ball, don't tease me, will it be HL3?
16:33.57herlo3:30 tomorrow
16:34.24mindjuju330 tomorrow?  it's got 25 minutes!
16:35.03SunSparcOoh, family options. Nice.
16:36.18mindjujui'm suprised though, i would have thought there would have been an ARG for it
16:36.19herlomindjuju: you'll just have to wait
16:36.21mindjujuhmmm
16:36.45mindjuju23 minutes
16:37.05mindjujui just know all my servers are about to go nuclear and explode
16:37.07herlo3:30 tomorrow
16:37.46mindjujueven if the site goes down, and the server room catches fire that only the fire extinguisher behind by desk could put out, i'm going to watch for this Valve news
16:37.50SunSparcherlo is on Australian time.
16:38.12herlono, MDT (UTC-6)
16:38.47SunSparc~tzedit herlo
16:41.04herlo~lart SunSparc
16:41.04infobothits SunSparc with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha
16:43.15SunSparcmindjuju: Have you heard of http://cmd.fm/
16:44.54mindjujui haven't, is it any good?
16:45.12mindjuju14 minutes
16:45.29SunSparcSeems decent. I just learned about it myself.
16:46.39herloSunSparc: I saw that the other day, looks interesting, but the mobile implementation needs some work.
16:47.58SunSparcI doubt I would use it for mobile.
16:48.06SunSparcBut the CLI is appealing.
16:54.13mindjuju5minutes
16:55.02SunSparcinfobot: Set mindjuju's server room to explode in 4 minutes, on my mark...
16:55.26ninnypantsSunSparc: probably should have been an instant go
16:55.45SunSparc:)
16:55.58SunSparc~instant ninnypants
16:56.20mindjujuyeah, a fire starting in 4 minutes give me time to get teh announcement and to extinguish the flame
16:56.29mindjujubut 3 minutes of fire can really get out of hand
16:56.36mindjujudepending on the materials present
16:56.50SunSparcTrue that.
16:57.51eggyknapI recall an interesting Monday at $last_job, when we all showed up at the office to find ceiling tile pieces on the floor, just outside the server room door. Turns out talented-but-immature sysadmin had managed to set off the halon system over the weekend, and make it out alive.
16:58.16eggyknapThe pressure when such a system goes off is, apparently, difficult for ceiling tiles to handle.
16:58.19SunSparcWow
16:58.40SunSparcHalon is scary stuff, for humans.
16:59.01mindjuju60seconds
16:59.23mindjujucome on hl3!
16:59.26herlono
16:59.36herlono hl3 for mindjuju
16:59.44mindjujuprolly not, bu i hope for it!
16:59.51mindjuju10seconds
17:00.10SunSparcNothing happened.
17:00.11DexterTheDragonlame
17:00.17mindjujua controller?
17:00.28mindjujucan't stop laughing
17:00.32mindjujuso anticlimatic
17:00.37mindjujuoh the irony
17:02.32SunSparcLooks like they have put some thought into it.
17:02.51mindjujuthey should have put some thought into HL3
17:05.32herloheh
17:05.46SunSparcHL3 is vaporware.
17:06.05mindjujuwell, probably just as well, the last thing i need to do is reinstall Steam
17:06.14mindjujui don't really have time to play more than RUA2
17:06.27SunSparc:)
17:06.52mindjujuwell, i'm going to go eat some Chinese buffet
17:07.15SunSparcHave an eggroll for me.
17:07.23mindjuju;)
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17:56.59SunSparcBetween work, family, and Minecraft, my Steam install has become quite neglected.
18:02.38mgearyyou have a responsibility to Minecraft?
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18:03.37SunSparc;)
18:04.18SunSparcWell of course. My Minecraft world is not going to build itself.
18:05.56undertakingyouLOL
18:08.00SunSparc~LOLstats
18:08.00infobottotal count of LOL on #uphpu: 746.  Top 3: TuxToaster -- 137 (18.4%), itimber -- 117 (15.7%), PoeticIntensity -- 91 (12.2%)
18:08.10SunSparc~LOLstats undertakingyou
18:08.29SunSparcinfobot: What is up with you and the stats commands?
18:08.30infobotSunSparc: I think you lost me on that one
18:08.42SunSparcNo kidding.
18:09.38carmonyGooood Morn-- erm, Afternoon! :P
18:09.52SunSparc~morning carmony
18:09.52infobotACTION bends space and time, trapping carmony in a universe of eternal monday mornings
18:10.57mgearyhey fungus. we had a huge burst of outbound traffic from our colo account over a ~2 week period. I've checked the most likely weblogs, and don't see anything unusual there. What else could i do to try to figure out the nature of this traffic? Our colo-provider (Fibernet) is saying they don't keep records on the nature of traffic, just quantity
18:11.50fungusIs the burst over?  or constant?
18:11.55mgearyit's over
18:12.21fungusAfter the fact you can only really look at logs. (mail, web, syslog, etc)
18:12.21mgearybut it was fairly huge. 300 gigs or so
18:13.09itimberI've been surpassed on the LOL record
18:13.11itimberLOL
18:13.20SunSparc~zip mgeary's logs
18:13.41SunSparcitimber: You need to LOL it up some more.
18:13.50itimberyeah, I guess so
18:13.51itimberLOL
18:13.53itimbercrazy
18:13.55itimberLOL
18:14.04SunSparclol
18:14.05fungusduring a burst you can use any kind of packet sniffer tool, tcpdump, trafshow, iptraf, etc.
18:14.16SunSparc~lolstats
18:14.16infobottotal count of lol on #uphpu: 5687.  Top 3: TuxToaster -- 1171 (20.6%), herlo -- 660 (11.6%), SunSparc -- 624 (11.0%)
18:14.21itimberLOL to the LOL of the LOL, and a little LOL sprinkled on top
18:14.31SunSparcitimber: Good work
18:14.37mgeary~lol itimber
18:14.37infobotACTION Laughs out Loud at itimber
18:14.38itimberSunSparc: thx
18:14.43mgeary~lolstats itimber
18:14.57itimber*crickets*
18:15.18itimberI always capitalize, it appears.
18:15.25SunSparcYep, infobot is a bit borked.
18:30.47SunSparcinfobot: Initiate self-repair level 7
18:43.51fungus~diagnostic
18:44.02fungus~diag
18:44.02infoboti heard diag is the diagnisis tool that comes with blob
18:51.04TuxToaster~lart SunSparc
18:51.04infobotnukes SunSparc with a single large nuke
18:51.22TuxToaster~lolstats itimber
18:51.22infobotitimber has said lol 21 times (0.4 %), ranked 21/132 (percentile: 15.9 %)
18:51.33TuxToasterapparently you're just holding it wrong
18:52.05SunSparcApparently
18:52.16SunSparcinfobot must have a thing for TuxToaster.
18:52.38itimber~lolstats itimber
18:52.38infobotitimber has said lol 21 times (0.4 %), ranked 21/132 (percentile: 15.9 %)
18:52.46itimberthat's odd
18:52.50itimberwhat was the problem?
18:53.02TuxToasterdunno
18:53.10SunSparcRequired the gentle touch of TuxToaster.
18:53.46TuxToasterdepends... does "gentle touch" == lart?
18:55.40SunSparcheh
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19:12.09mindjujuwow, 300GB of unknown traffic mgeary, that sounds supsicious :(
19:18.53fungusvery suspicious.
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19:26.23SunSparcmgeary: Did you post a humorous animated gif on your site just before the spike?
19:26.32mgearyheh
19:27.38SunSparcPerhaps this one: http://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/37317_mordoranim8.gif
19:45.52TuxToaster_which always reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqVD0swvWU
19:47.20SunSparcYep, classic.
19:51.39mindjujuyou fungus / mgeary , hearing about this 300GB reminds me of a friend of mine a long time ago who had an MS FTP spot and received a notification from his ISP one Monday morning that they'd gone through a month's worth of bandwidth over the weekend and wanted additional payment for continued bandwidth (this was like 2nd monday of the month)
19:51.47mindjujuthat's how he learned about 0day FTP
20:04.12ninnypants~rlart
20:04.12infobotjudo chops skinner
20:28.39fungusmindjuju, lol.  I learned about open SMTP relays the hard way.
20:29.59mindjujuso fungus, got a minute?
20:30.35mindjujui've got a certain python script that i'd like to have run as absolutely fast as possible, the script does some computations that take 20+minutes to run and on some computations in the order of hours
20:30.57mindjujunow, i've got several machines i could run this on
20:31.46mindjujui've got an i7 with 4GB ram (laptop), i've got a dell 1950 server i can throw ram at
20:32.12mindjujui'm thinking probably the best thing to do to compare is to load the script on all machines, see which seems to run the fastest and go to town from there
20:32.25fungusWhat's the bottleneck?  IO,Network,Disk,CPU?
20:32.45mindjujuthough after talking with utahdave on some matters of python, he's suggesting the script be updated to use processes to REALLY put the hammer down
20:33.11mindjujuwell, when running on the laptop, it's just using 17% CPU and about 20MB ram
20:33.22UtahDavemindjuju: using python threads is horrible for cpu bound operations.
20:33.30UtahDaveuse the multiprocessing library
20:33.44UtahDavemeeting time. biab
20:34.00fungusAre you CPU bound?  or IO bound?
20:34.01mindjujuyup, i'm totally going to rewrite that part to use processes, but at the same time wanted to put it on good hardware
20:34.21mindjujucpu bound
20:35.14fungusIf that's the case your solution is either parallelization or improving the code itself.
20:36.07mindjujuwell, like utahdave was saying to take it to multiprocess, i was planning that, but i also wanted to put it on the best hardware i had
20:36.33fungusmight want to look at the code too.
20:36.44mindjujuthat's where i was wondering if the PE 1950 dual e5450 proc would outmatch the i7 q70 proc
20:37.12fungusPE 1950?  those things are old.
20:37.38mindjujutrue, so you think stay with the i7
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20:37.52mindjujuit's not a server, it's a laptop
20:38.36fungusYeah, but those i7's are really fast
20:40.33fungusIf your code is as efficient as possible, besides parallelizations, you might consider pre-scheduling the processing.
20:40.49mindjujupre-schedule ?
20:41.01fungusEg. run your reports in the middle of night and store them for retrieval when needed.
20:41.06mindjujuoh gotcha
20:41.25mindjujuyeah, some of the computations could be done in advance
20:41.35mindjujubut then it shifts to a IO bound than a CPU bound
20:41.54mindjujuand that may shift what we use to do the calculations
20:41.59fungusThat's fine, there are lots of solutions to IO bound processes.
20:42.07fungusramdisk, anyone?
20:42.11mindjujumind if I PM to give more details
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21:30.56infobotACTION cuts mindjuju's tail off
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