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| 00:29.57 | mindjuju | jsmith, that's good to hear :) i was just going to order the adapter but got swamped lately so hadn't gotten around to it yet |
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| 14:36.59 | clintberry | @carmony - Salt is awesome, but is there a way to setup a centralized server and use it for provisioning like Chef? meaning without logging into that server and adding a new box, but instead, any box with the right credentials can get provisioned without touching the master? |
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| 14:49.51 | carmony | clintberry: so like running it in a masterless mode? |
| 14:50.05 | clintberry | well, running it more like chef |
| 14:50.23 | clintberry | so I can spin up a new box anywhere, install chef on it, point it to the master, and it will work |
| 14:50.34 | carmony | I'm not familiar with chef as much, but it sounds like a server with the right creds can auth with the master without having to touch the master? |
| 14:50.35 | clintberry | I don't need to login to the master and add the box manually |
| 14:50.42 | clintberry | yes |
| 14:50.50 | clintberry | is there a way to do that with Salt? |
| 14:51.54 | carmony | clintberry: I've heard people talk about pre-authorized keys |
| 14:52.11 | clintberry | carmony: Yeah, I have seen that on vagrant-salt plugin |
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| 14:53.03 | clintberry | hmmm, it seems salt is designed mostly for communicating from master box to children, instead of reverse. I see the benefit, but if using for just provisioning I see that single negative |
| 14:53.19 | carmony | yeah |
| 14:53.33 | clintberry | Still worth it to use python and not ruby ;-) |
| 14:53.37 | carmony | are you using some sort of provisioning script on the client side? |
| 14:53.51 | UtahDave | clintberry: communication can go both ways. |
| 14:54.03 | carmony | UtahDave is the best guy to ask about salt stuff |
| 14:54.04 | UtahDave | clintberry: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 14:54.29 | clintberry | UtahDave: But you have to add the child box manually on the master, right? I want it to behave like Chef, where I can spin up a child box, auth to master and get provisioned, without touching master |
| 14:54.33 | clintberry | is that possible? |
| 14:55.11 | clintberry | We use Salt here, but it was setup by our consultants, Izeni, who rock at all things python |
| 14:55.22 | clintberry | I'm trying to learn the ropes |
| 14:55.56 | UtahDave | izeni is awesome |
| 14:56.25 | UtahDave | clintberry: why even have a master if you don't want it to touch the master? |
| 14:56.26 | clintberry | yeah, we love them. I consider Gabe a good friend these days because we work with them so much. He probably would disagree ;-) |
| 14:56.43 | clintberry | UtahDave: Sorry, I don't want to have to login to master myself and add a child box |
| 14:57.05 | clintberry | with chef, any machine can login and get provisioning instructions if it has the right credentials |
| 14:57.28 | clintberry | so the child box hits master, but I personally don't have to login and add it |
| 14:58.02 | clintberry | does that make sense? |
| 14:59.55 | clintberry | UtahDave: So for instance, if I want to use vagrant with salt, I have to preseed my salt master with available keys: https://github.com/saltstack/salty-vagrant#preseeding-vagrant-minion-keys |
| 14:59.58 | UtahDave | sure. How are you provisioning your servers? On a cloud? bare metal? |
| 15:00.11 | clintberry | but with Chef, I don't have to do that |
| 15:00.32 | clintberry | I can have an unspecified number of children get provisioned without having to put them in master |
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| 15:01.08 | clintberry | Right now, we do it the salt way, and on our own servers, but some are VM hypervisors |
| 15:02.33 | UtahDave | clintberry: well, if you don't care about security you can set the master to accept any new minions that connect |
| 15:03.36 | clintberry | hmmm, I guess if I setup a salt master on our local network here. The biggest headache is hiring new developers and getting them setup with new dev boxes, or wanting to spin up a new test server here. With vagrant and chef, it is one command. With salt, there are a couple more steps involved :-) |
| 15:04.43 | clintberry | But thanks for the help, UtahDave. Sorry for flooding UPHPU room with Salt questions :-) |
| 15:04.45 | UtahDave | clintberry: have you used Salt Cloud? |
| 15:04.54 | clintberry | UtahDave: Haven't heard of that |
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| 15:05.20 | clintberry | Looking up now |
| 15:05.29 | clintberry | That is awesome |
| 15:05.39 | UtahDave | salt cloud can spin up new vms for you and auto seed all the minion authentication for you |
| 15:05.46 | clintberry | hmmm, we use Proxmox here. I wonder if they use openstack |
| 15:05.56 | clintberry | that is so cool, thanks |
| 15:06.38 | UtahDave | I haven't seen proxmox before. If they aren't openstack, we could pretty easily add a new driver for it. |
| 15:07.10 | clintberry | Proxmox is awesome if you like web-based GUIs for managing VMs. We like web here :-) |
| 15:07.35 | clintberry | http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/File:Screen-startpage-with-cluster.png |
| 15:07.49 | UtahDave | cool. |
| 15:08.10 | UtahDave | Salt 0.17 will have the first initial version of our web gui. It's going to be really cool. |
| 15:08.25 | clintberry | awesome! I'm excited to see it |
| 15:08.54 | clintberry | That would have been a fun project to work on. Real time updating web stuff is my favorite |
| 15:09.15 | UtahDave | I'm going to sit down with the lead dev on that project today to get a demo up and running. |
| 15:09.44 | UtahDave | It's all event based and uses Salt's event bus to see what's going on in your system. |
| 15:10.02 | UtahDave | So if a new vm comes up, it automatically appears on the UI. |
| 15:10.06 | clintberry | I love it. Sockjs for the even passing to browser? |
| 15:10.10 | clintberry | event |
| 15:10.28 | clintberry | I only ask since sockjs has a python implementation |
| 15:10.40 | UtahDave | It's built using Angularjs and a few other things |
| 15:10.47 | UtahDave | i'm not sure about sockjs |
| 15:11.03 | clintberry | If you find out let me know. I'd be curious how you pass the events real time from the server to browser |
| 15:11.30 | clintberry | I assume you are using python on the server side for it, but maybe you added node or something |
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| 15:12.00 | UtahDave | sure, I'll let you know. |
| 15:12.51 | UtahDave | clintberry: https://github.com/saltstack/salt-cloud/issues/783 Just added this, fyi |
| 15:13.07 | clintberry | UtahDave: Your rock! Thanks! |
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| 15:52.59 | ninnypants | ~rlart |
| 15:52.59 | infobot | shoves a crumpet down kendsnyder's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
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| 17:08.48 | mindjuju | carmony -- when foodies get starved for attention, i PROUDLY present |
| 17:09.13 | mindjuju | underground, clandestine fight-club styled - food club! http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/09/11/cbs-2-investigation-underground-and-illegal-nyc-dinner-parties/ |
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| 18:43.38 | carmony | mindjuju: that is awesome |
| 18:54.34 | mindjuju | ninnypants: this'll brighten your day - http://washingtonexaminer.com/cfpbs-data-mining-on-consumer-credit-cards-challenged-in-heated-house-hearing/article/2535726 |
| 18:54.51 | mindjuju | why just monitor internet traffic when you can get another gov branch to mointor all transactions too |
| 18:55.00 | mindjuju | well, to be fair, it's just 80% of transactions |
| 18:55.44 | ninnypants | mindjuju: at least I managed to find a trap dangerous enough to catch a mouse |
| 18:56.04 | ninnypants | interestingly the name was Victor |
| 19:02.36 | ninnypants | mindjuju: https://www.instapaper.com/text?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aclu.org%2Fblog%2Fnational-security%2Fhow-nsas-cyber-sabotage-puts-us-all-risk |
| 19:41.11 | thinbegin | here's my favorite part of that article... |
| 19:41.15 | thinbegin | "...CFPB “is designed to operate outside the usual system of checks and balances that applies to every other government agency.” |
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| 19:56.20 | ninnypants | thinbegin: yeah I'm glad they managed to break free from the law |
| 19:56.52 | ponderability | The law is so restrictive.. It's much better to be able to do whatever you like. |
| 19:57.08 | thinbegin | whew, right? that was a close shave for them i'm sure! |
| 20:06.14 | ninnypants | yeah it's too bad the rest of the government can't do that |
| 20:06.59 | mindjuju | think i'll just start paying cash |
| 20:20.03 | josephscott | I couldn't find a mention in the article as to why the CFPB felt like they needed to monitor 80% of credit card transactions, any references to the reasoning behind that? |
| 20:21.16 | mindjuju | terrorism? who knows what they offer for a good excuse |
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| 21:13.36 | mgeary | infobot: you stink |
| 21:13.36 | infobot | ACTION farts on mgeary |
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| 21:43.46 | ninnypants | josephscott: I don't think they ever actually offered a reason and that was one of the issues |
| 22:05.21 | TuxToaster_ | KSL coming up blank for anyone else? |
| 22:08.56 | thinbegin | yeah, the article's comments was fully of people mentioning that there was no "reason" for the monitoring. -- as though there is a reason that would be reasonable anyway |
| 22:14.43 | TuxToaster_ | well, there is... it's... um...uhh.... |
| 22:14.46 | TuxToaster_ | ... |
| 22:15.19 | TuxToaster_ | actually I'd have less of an issue with the monitoring if they were more forthcoming about it |
| 22:16.18 | TuxToaster_ | if they brought them in and he could offer intelligent answers as to why they are doing what they are doing, then at least there could be some understanding as to why they felt they needed the data, even if it's overreaching |
| 22:16.37 | TuxToaster_ | but to have them refuse to even give names of banks is just silly |
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| 22:29.28 | mindjuju | poor rascally devils, give the NSA a nice comfy chair and a backdoor to your email server, and roll in the perks :) http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323864604579069730686941454.html |
| 22:29.39 | mindjuju | course, the minute it gets threatened, perks revoked |
| 22:30.05 | KingMichael | Howdy |
| 22:31.17 | mindjuju | hi |
| 22:40.11 | KingMichael | any one no a way to make it so you cant click into a <textarea readonly > using css? I'v been googling but can't seem to find anything |
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| 22:53.31 | mindjuju | if you HAD to do it in CSS, I would put a 1x1 transparent gif blown up to the size of the textarea and overlay it on top of the textarea |
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| 22:54.50 | mindjuju | you know though, this will only stop lazy and ignorant folk, it'll annoy everybody else |
| 23:01.49 | mindjuju | k KingMichael , it's 5p here so most everybody is out, and we'll occassional check here over the weekend, so post a Q and be patient and well get around to it in between gaming, movies, etc |
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