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| 16:29.55 | josephscott | ~strace++ |
| 16:30.00 | josephscott | ~karma strace |
| 16:30.00 | infobot | strace has karma of 1 |
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| 17:36.03 | ninnypants | ~rlart |
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| 18:00.21 | TuxToaster | ~8ball was that effective? |
| 18:00.21 | infobot | Unsure. |
| 18:00.30 | TuxToaster | ~8ball do you want to do it again? |
| 18:00.31 | infobot | Absolutely. |
| 18:00.36 | TuxToaster | ~lart josephscott |
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| 18:00.41 | TuxToaster | ~8ball better? |
| 18:00.41 | infobot | Are you smoking crack? |
| 18:00.47 | TuxToaster | bah. |
| 18:00.59 | TuxToaster | had a run going there for a minute. |
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| 20:25.06 | mindjuju | ~apb DtD |
| 20:25.06 | infobot | ACTION summons Duane Lee to stake out DtD |
| 20:25.22 | mindjuju | ~apb ninnypants |
| 20:25.22 | infobot | ACTION hires Dog the Bounty Hunter to find ninnypants |
| 20:25.24 | mindjuju | you'd like this too |
| 20:25.25 | DexterTheDragon | ~dtdhit mindjuju |
| 20:25.26 | infobot | ACTION stikes at mindjuju with the honorable scorpion punch knocking off an appendage! |
| 20:25.45 | mindjuju | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyMD7vd-_U0 |
| 20:26.05 | mindjuju | a unique interp of Get Lucky by DAft punk |
| 20:28.24 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I'm just glad he kept it authentic by holding a beer the whole time |
| 20:29.53 | DexterTheDragon | that was pretty awesome |
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| 20:32.25 | ninnypants | I might just listen to stuff like this for th erest of the day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iabyEebfCc |
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| 21:23.15 | ninnypants | https://twitter.com/AP/status/375339337288003584 |
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| 21:47.59 | SunSparc | WHAT?! |
| 21:49.19 | SunSparc | Who was on that panel so I can smack them. |
| 21:49.23 | stirlingw | 0_0 |
| 21:50.46 | T4rku5 | It's amazing how similar this Syria situation is to Viet Nam |
| 21:50.57 | T4rku5 | and what led up to our involvement in it |
| 21:51.16 | T4rku5 | and how "we" tried to make a bad situation better, but it ended up worse, and then we tried to fix that new situation |
| 21:51.24 | stirlingw | I guess Obama is trying to break the 100 Trill debt mark |
| 21:54.51 | stderr- | if by similar you mean completely different, I agree. |
| 21:55.02 | josephscott | :-) |
| 21:56.45 | stderr- | unless you mean "they're similar to the extent they're foreign policy decisions that will have ramifications, possibly (maybe even probably) negative ones." |
| 21:57.26 | stderr- | but then you could replace Vietnam with WW1|WW2|Korea etc, etc, etc |
| 21:58.03 | stderr- | and, for the record, I'm strongly opposed to any actions to or in Syria. |
| 21:58.19 | stderr- | but comparing it to Vietnam is ridiculous. |
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| 22:13.14 | SunSparc | I probably do not know as much about Vietnam as I should, but the similarity I see would be personal. I do not think we should have gone there and I do not think we should go to Syria either. |
| 22:16.00 | stderr- | and that's fine. But that's not a similarity between the reality of the two. That's your take on two very disparate foreign policy events. |
| 22:16.24 | SunSparc | Yep :) |
| 22:17.06 | stderr- | I find it kinda funny, though, that people are comparing it to Vietnam (I've heard this three, four times today), when presumably Iraq is fresher in people's minds and has closer parallels (and even then, not that close). |
| 22:17.33 | SunSparc | Good point. |
| 22:17.37 | SunSparc | Either way, I think this whole Syria mess is ridiculous. |
| 22:18.27 | SunSparc | I would like to think that we (as a nation) would have learned by now, that getting involved in "other peoples problems" is usually a bad idea. |
| 22:19.32 | SunSparc | At least at the federal level. I am all for individuals and groups mounting philanthropic campaigns for other countries. |
| 22:19.59 | stderr- | well people of higher moral fiber than myself would argue that we have a moral imperative to respond to a nation using chemical weapons on their own citizens. |
| 22:20.03 | stderr- | I don't really care though. |
| 22:20.32 | stderr- | the problem is that Israel has had their noses in this since 2012, and if this lands on their doorstep, we'll probably be dragged into that for sure. |
| 22:20.53 | stderr- | personally, I say let Israel deal with their own problems, too. |
| 22:21.28 | stderr- | since they've been using the air superiority we've been giving them since the 70s to strut around the middle eastern block, looking for a fight. |
| 22:23.14 | SunSparc | Right. And it could be argued that many (most?) of the problems in the world since early last century have been exacerbated by our involvment. |
| 22:23.43 | stderr- | I would concur, for the most part. |
| 22:24.00 | SunSparc | Though... I wonder how the world would look if we had not been involved in the Nazi thing. That probably would have made it to our shores anyway. |
| 22:24.16 | fungus | Foreign policy seems to always be a complete mess. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Though it's encouraging to me to see our system working the way it should (mostly), seeking for approval/assistance inside (Senate) and outside (UN/allies). |
| 22:24.37 | SunSparc | Amen. |
| 22:24.42 | stderr- | well, to be fair, we probably could've stayed out of the Nazi thing and it would've been fine. Hitler doomed himself by invading Russia. |
| 22:25.04 | stderr- | Our real contribution to WW2 (as far as turning the tide) was the Pacific |
| 22:25.06 | SunSparc | stderr-: True that. He made some critical mistakes. |
| 22:25.54 | SunSparc | Seems like WW2 made us some friends. For better or for worse. Though that is not necessarily the best reason to participate in a dispute. |
| 22:27.18 | stderr- | the United States was pretty rock star during WW2. Japan owes us their technical and economic prosperity, primarily due to our use of nukes (yes, that helped them in the long run), and our hands off approach after the war. |
| 22:29.07 | SunSparc | I would have to agree. |
| 22:29.17 | stderr- | now our foreign policy decisions since then have benefited the United States as a whole, but at the expense of the stability of certain regions for a long time. The middle east being the prime example. |
| 22:29.41 | stderr- | benefited the United States for the relative short term*, that is. |
| 22:30.13 | stderr- | unfortunately, we've begun to have to pay the piper recently. |
| 22:30.22 | SunSparc | Yeah, I would classify our current foreign policy as "selfish". |
| 22:31.14 | SunSparc | Our greed has made many enemies. When we should be looked up to as the land of peace and prosperity. We are hated. |
| 22:32.05 | SunSparc | It does not help that our immigration laws are wacked and our fed is bloated... blah blah blah. Anyway. Yeah. |
| 22:32.36 | stderr- | well, I'd argue that we've been greedy and corrupt in foreign policy terms since the late 40s. |
| 22:32.42 | stderr- | we're just paying that debt back now. |
| 22:33.20 | SunSparc | Yep. Good times. |
| 22:34.04 | stderr- | the Partition Plan of 1947 and the 1953 Iranian coup we sponsored really got the ball rolling. It was good in the short term (~40 years) but really has bit us in the butt. |
| 22:35.04 | SunSparc | Seems like there would have been a lot better ways to handle those situations, and even the present ones. |
| 22:35.45 | stderr- | there certainly would've been, but the United States may not have prospered as quickly as it did (which probably would have been for the better, honestly). |
| 22:36.20 | SunSparc | Good point. |
| 22:36.23 | SunSparc | I mean, if our (collective) intentions were honorable in actually looking to better the world through our service, I doubt we would be handing our weapons and rallying our troops. |
| 22:36.52 | stderr- | at any rate I think we're going to strike Syria. I'm not too worried about boots on the ground, but I am worried about the effect it will have in the future. |
| 22:37.20 | SunSparc | Yes. Collateral and residual damages will likely be high. |
| 22:38.33 | stderr- | if we allow extremists (which the rebels are, make no mistake) to control Syria, it could reverberate into Egypt. |
| 22:39.45 | stderr- | In ten years we could have two highly radicalized countries that make al-Assad and Mubarak look like Thomas Jefferson. |
| 22:41.25 | SunSparc | Interesting comparison. :) |
| 22:41.46 | stderr- | one of the problems is the United States thinks that democracy is something that can be spread regardless of cultural identity and societal context. |
| 22:42.09 | stderr- | when in reality most of the middle east would, for the foreseeable future, benefit far more from a monarchy. |
| 22:42.33 | stderr- | (or some similar form of government) |
| 22:42.36 | SunSparc | Agreed. And so many people probably think that America is a democracy. |
| 22:42.39 | SunSparc | I read somewhere about a massive war in the Middle East being a precursor to some significant religious event. |
| 22:42.48 | SunSparc | heh, did you see this: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu77tuh8qj1r3opkvo1_500.png |
| 22:43.06 | stderr- | haha. |
| 22:43.09 | stderr- | nice. |
| 22:43.48 | SunSparc | I postulate, that if we were to put those into the hands of our troops and the hands of our enemies, the battle field would not be full of wounded soldiers, but of men dying of laughter. |
| 22:44.32 | SunSparc | I would seriously love to see some general use that tactic. |
| 22:44.43 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 22:46.08 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:55.40 | ninnypants | SunSparc: make them paint balloons and actually launch them from a giant sling shot |
| 22:56.07 | SunSparc | That would be awesome. :) |
| 23:01.45 | SunSparc | Peace out! |
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