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| 14:42.11 | mindjuju | herlo, you've got to go see The World's End, you'll love it :) |
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| 15:32.18 | mindjuju | darn, no beandog today |
| 15:33.05 | mindjuju | he was such a big fan of the new batman movies, wanted to see how he felt about ben aflac as new batman |
| 15:33.10 | mindjuju | http://i.imgur.com/w8f0Djl.gif |
| 15:34.25 | peno | lol |
| 15:34.38 | eggyknap | http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/the_aflac_duck.jpg |
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| 15:47.43 | unum | I couldn't handle kilmer |
| 15:48.37 | mindjuju | i've only seen two of his movies, daredevil and jersey girl |
| 15:48.53 | mindjuju | maybe i need to give him more of a chance? |
| 15:49.13 | herlo | mindjuju: aflec or kilmer? |
| 15:49.29 | mindjuju | aflec |
| 15:49.56 | mindjuju | about the other batmans, i never saw them |
| 15:50.01 | ninnypants | I'm not too worried since I probably wont watch it anyway |
| 15:50.13 | mindjuju | i went from west to keaton to bale |
| 15:50.24 | mindjuju | i purposefully avoided all other batmen |
| 15:50.45 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I think west was one of the best ones |
| 15:50.59 | mindjuju | kilmer was good in the Saint, never watched the old tv show though |
| 15:55.06 | mindjuju | is SunSparc around? |
| 15:55.09 | unum | I think I have Val Kilmer typed cast from his role in real genius and just can't accept him as anything else |
| 15:55.25 | mindjuju | he was awesome in real genius |
| 15:55.48 | mindjuju | so SunSparc, several great things happened in 1973 |
| 15:56.00 | mindjuju | first off, i was born, second a movie |
| 15:56.01 | SunSparc | Soylent Green? |
| 15:56.04 | mindjuju | yes |
| 15:56.35 | mindjuju | here is SunSparc url from FB - http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-07/could-liquid-replace-food |
| 15:56.46 | unum | actually I take that back. I mixed up who he was, it's been a long time since I've seen the movie |
| 15:56.54 | mindjuju | there was also another movie called "The Stuff" |
| 15:57.02 | mindjuju | wonderfood and it was white |
| 15:57.06 | unum | but I think I could accept him as the antagonist just not the protaganist |
| 15:57.21 | mindjuju | no good can come from this food! |
| 15:57.28 | mindjuju | and it's likely the start of an alien invasion |
| 15:57.34 | SunSparc | mindjuju: lol |
| 15:57.51 | SunSparc | What is the secret of Soylent Green?! |
| 15:58.13 | mindjuju | soylent green is people! |
| 15:58.17 | SunSparc | *gasp* |
| 15:58.42 | SunSparc | I wonder if that one is on Netflix... |
| 15:59.14 | mindjuju | SunSparc: here is trailer for The Stuff! |
| 15:59.21 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE6Z1nBqLwo |
| 16:02.55 | SunSparc | haha, looks like marshmallow creme. Yummy! |
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| 16:04.14 | mindjuju | :) |
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| 16:07.01 | stderr- | mindjuju: you've never seen Argo? |
| 16:08.23 | mindjuju | haven't |
| 16:08.23 | mindjuju | then again, didn't see iron man 3 either |
| 16:08.25 | mindjuju | swamped :( |
| 16:08.43 | mindjuju | but i did stop the world to watch The World's End yesterday night with ninnypants :) |
| 16:09.58 | stderr- | aw man how was it? |
| 16:10.12 | mindjuju | FREAKIN AWESOME |
| 16:10.44 | herlo | mindjuju: I have intentions of watching that show soon. I'm just not an 'opening night' kind of guy. |
| 16:10.58 | herlo | Used to be, but now it's worth waiting a couple of weeks. |
| 16:11.00 | mindjuju | stderr-: in fact, we saw the marathon, shaun of the dead, hot fuzz then world's end all back to back |
| 16:11.07 | herlo | and going when all the mormons are in church :) |
| 16:11.27 | herlo | mindjuju: I'm still confused why shaun of the dead was first in the marathon. |
| 16:11.27 | mindjuju | it wasn't too busy last night :) |
| 16:11.31 | stderr- | herlo: agreed re: opening night. |
| 16:11.38 | stderr- | still, I'm envious |
| 16:11.41 | mindjuju | because it came out in 2k4? |
| 16:11.45 | mindjuju | hot fuzz 2k7? |
| 16:12.24 | stderr- | I think I might be in the minority in thinking Hot Fuzz is clearly the superior film |
| 16:12.58 | herlo | oh, man. I though it was the other way around |
| 16:13.07 | mindjuju | i've never really thought about pitting them against each other, they're all 3 fine movies |
| 16:13.09 | herlo | I guess it's because that's how I watched them first time around |
| 16:13.18 | mindjuju | oh btw, congrats on the new job stderr- |
| 16:13.27 | stderr- | thanks |
| 16:13.35 | herlo | I laughed harder at shaun of the dead, but probably because I had seen hot fuzz first. That and I love zombie movies. |
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| 18:30.16 | mgeary | can anyone here refer me to a .NET programmer or shop? |
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| 19:01.40 | mgeary | bah |
| 19:21.10 | romanovic | mgeary: I'm doing .NET these days, though not at a web shop |
| 19:21.23 | mgeary | ~pity romanovic |
| 19:21.23 | infobot | I pity da fool romanovic! |
| 19:21.50 | mgeary | romanovic: that's good to know, but the client is requesting someone full-time for 3-6 months. I assume that's not a good fit for you...? |
| 19:22.07 | romanovic | you assume correctly |
| 19:23.19 | romanovic | mgeary: there is a Utah .NET user group, but I don't think they have an IRC presence (well, just me...) |
| 19:23.28 | mgeary | of course they don't |
| 19:23.31 | romanovic | but they do have a facebook page, and i've seen people post the occasional job |
| 19:23.52 | mgeary | from everything i can tell, the Windows/MS crowd studiously avoids/ignores anything that remotely smacks of FOSS |
| 19:24.25 | mgeary | the fact that i don't really even *know* any .NET devs says a fair bit, since i've been developing web apps around here for going on 15 years |
| 19:25.04 | romanovic | it's true. seems like its mostly enterprise software, and teams work in isolation |
| 19:25.25 | romanovic | no substantial .NET user groups to be found in the wild |
| 19:25.52 | romanovic | https://www.facebook.com/utahdotnet |
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| 19:39.15 | TuxToaster | we've got quite a few .net guys at vivint |
| 19:40.29 | TuxToaster | but yeah, seems like it's often more an enterprise application realm |
| 19:40.29 | TuxToaster | mgeary: fwiw Microsoft recently open-sourced the ASP.NET stack |
| 19:40.29 | TuxToaster | still doesn't *feel* like open source to me though. |
| 19:40.51 | mgeary | yeah |
| 19:51.08 | mindjuju | you know who is a good advocate for FOSS in the .net world is steve shaw |
| 19:52.10 | mindjuju | decriptor (he might spell it different) |
| 19:56.03 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 19:56.06 | TuxToaster | doh |
| 19:56.07 | TuxToaster | ~rlart |
| 19:56.08 | infobot | blames herlo for all the evil in the world |
| 20:04.11 | mindjuju | hey peno, you around? |
| 20:04.45 | peno | mindjuju: depends on who is asking! ;) |
| 20:05.07 | mindjuju | so i had a problem today that I fixed, but i think i could have done better, wanted some best practices info |
| 20:05.21 | peno | 1) admit nothing |
| 20:05.29 | peno | 2) see 1 |
| 20:06.38 | mindjuju | so, I get a report that the interwebs are slow, so i first pull up an internal webpage and it comes up as slow, pull up facebook, slow too. so then i ask the gateway, who is pushing the most data across the wires and I see one IP addy that is pushing gigabytes of data incoming and outgoing |
| 20:07.24 | mindjuju | so i nmap it to see more about the IP because it is DHCP assigned and the dhcp didn't get a host name, and I get back that it was a mac laptop so then i go hunting all the macs until i find the perp and shut him down |
| 20:07.45 | mindjuju | seems like somebody mentioned here once though, that i could have asked the switch |
| 20:08.01 | mindjuju | this was on a previous conversation years ago about something remotely similar |
| 20:08.11 | peno | yeah, if you've a managed switch you can get the mac address and ip from it's arp/mac tables |
| 20:08.15 | mindjuju | i guess my question is though, is that something that is common to setup? |
| 20:08.49 | peno | most switch have that inherintly |
| 20:09.08 | peno | but, if it's a wifi user, you'll be able to track down to the ap |
| 20:09.08 | peno | then it's sneaker sleuth |
| 20:09.22 | mindjuju | in this case it was a wifi device |
| 20:09.25 | mindjuju | mac on wifi that is |
| 20:10.38 | mindjuju | so follow up then, if this person was just transfering large quantities of data just over the internal network and not through the gateway, how would i have found the same info? |
| 20:10.49 | mindjuju | i guess at that point, my only friend IS the switch |
| 20:11.08 | mindjuju | or router if i had one setup the way yall had recommended (that i tried but was shot down on) |
| 20:11.42 | peno | if you had a router that supported sflow/netflow/etc you can use a myriad of softare to get the top talker on the network |
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| 20:12.39 | mindjuju | i think i just saw something you warned me about |
| 20:12.54 | peno | chupacabra?!?!?! |
| 20:13.36 | mindjuju | because we're running one huge ole /21 without a router |
| 20:13.50 | mindjuju | this joker b0rked the whole network |
| 20:14.03 | mindjuju | if we had been running a router, it would have been minimized |
| 20:14.10 | mindjuju | possibly ok? |
| 20:14.40 | peno | a router would minimize if you're broken up into different collision domains |
| 20:14.59 | peno | but they could still flood the collision domain they're on |
| 20:14.59 | peno | just wouldn't impact the rest of the network as much |
| 20:15.03 | mindjuju | yup, i get it now |
| 20:15.11 | peno | working on the presumption that your router could handle the traffic |
| 20:15.47 | mindjuju | he was running a torrent client with max upload and max download |
| 20:15.53 | mindjuju | it tanked the network within moments |
| 20:16.35 | mindjuju | interesting |
| 20:17.02 | peno | torrents will do that |
| 20:17.20 | mindjuju | k, last question then'll leave you alone, i'm sure you're busy |
| 20:17.28 | peno | not really |
| 20:17.34 | peno | kinda slow today |
| 20:17.36 | mindjuju | why didn't nmap intensive scan detect open torrent |
| 20:18.02 | peno | nmap is dumb? |
| 20:18.12 | mindjuju | should i be using something else? |
| 20:19.07 | peno | a packet sniffer would probably work better in a case like that |
| 20:19.26 | mindjuju | k, you've given me some things to think about |
| 20:19.28 | mindjuju | thx! |
| 20:19.31 | mindjuju | ~peno++ |
| 20:22.44 | SunSparc | ~torrents++ |
| 20:26.08 | SunSparc | Have you guys tried out BitTorrent Sync yet? |
| 20:28.42 | peno | works pretty well |
| 20:30.45 | SunSparc | Yeah, I think it is cool. |
| 20:30.54 | SunSparc | Lots of possibilities. |
| 20:33.57 | mindjuju | sorry peno, one last question: is there anything special about torrents that caused extra stress on the network, or would the same thing have happened for somebody who was both downloading and uploading large quanties of data very quickly over wifi? / or over the wired network for that matter |
| 20:34.29 | peno | torrents will soak up every available amount of bandwidth |
| 20:34.50 | peno | the quick upload/download will spike, and then go away when the transfer is done |
| 20:35.38 | mindjuju | because there are many senders and 1 receiver, the data transfer is much higher than a signle large+fast download from a singler server |
| 20:37.15 | peno | yup |
| 20:37.39 | mindjuju | k, got it -- thx! |
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| 21:28.25 | tierra | going back to that .NET conversation... I get the feeling like it's common place for .NET devs to think that having paid good money for education and training in .NET (as they frequently do), that they aren't brought up the mindset of sharing their knowledge and education in the same way pretty much all of us here do |
| 21:29.37 | tierra | there's certainly .NET open source projects these days (nuget is chuck full of them) |
| 21:30.18 | tierra | but yeah, everything about .NET still screams proprietary |
| 22:14.46 | unum | http://www.eonline.com/news/451938/sorry-ben-affleck-5-better-choices-for-batman <- back to a much earlier conversaion |
| 22:17.53 | TuxToaster | haha |
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| 22:43.23 | mindjuju | wth! ballmer is stepping down?!? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/technology/ballmer-announces-retirement-from-microsoft.html?_r=0 |
| 22:43.34 | mindjuju | is that why yall were talking .net? |
| 22:45.13 | mindjuju | wow, MS stock jumped 8% after the news |
| 22:46.18 | mindjuju | poor guy, i may not like him nor his tactics, but that's a big ouch -- poor devil |
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