| 00:10.44 | *** join/#uphpu john-anderson (~john-ande@192.150.9.201) |
| 00:22.31 | *** join/#uphpu macnewbold (~macnewbol@71-35-213-207.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 00:22.31 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o macnewbold] by ChanServ |
| 00:27.12 | *** join/#uphpu TuxToaster (~TuxToaste@66.133.98.20) |
| 00:27.12 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v TuxToaster] by ChanServ |
| 00:50.21 | *** join/#uphpu cro (~Adium@204-228-149-217.ip.xmission.com) |
| 00:54.48 | *** join/#uphpu cro (~Adium@204-228-149-217.ip.xmission.com) |
| 00:59.48 | *** join/#uphpu ninnypan_ (~ninnypant@216.51.24.242) |
| 01:12.09 | *** join/#uphpu john-anderson (~john-ande@192.150.9.201) |
| 01:29.54 | *** join/#uphpu macnewbold (~macnewbol@71-35-213-207.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 01:29.54 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o macnewbold] by ChanServ |
| 01:40.19 | herlo | so meeting happening? |
| 01:46.36 | ninnypan_ | herlo: yeah meeting is happening |
| 01:47.07 | *** join/#uphpu TuxToaster (~TuxToaste@66.133.98.20) |
| 01:47.09 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v TuxToaster] by ChanServ |
| 01:48.48 | herlo | ninnypan_: k, ping when it ends plz |
| 01:49.09 | ninnypan_ | will do |
| 02:16.46 | herlo | thx |
| 02:29.31 | ninnypan_ | carmony: all is well seeing some interesting stuff |
| 02:30.38 | *** join/#uphpu macnewbold (~macnewbol@71-35-213-207.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 02:30.39 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o macnewbold] by ChanServ |
| 02:39.05 | ninnypan_ | herlo: we're headed over to applebees |
| 03:18.39 | herlo | ninnypants: okay |
| 03:18.51 | herlo | not sure I'm going ot make it, just got really tired! |
| 03:31.05 | *** join/#uphpu macnewbold (~macnewbol@71-35-213-207.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 03:31.05 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o macnewbold] by ChanServ |
| 04:10.54 | *** join/#uphpu UtahDave (~boucha@c-174-52-220-233.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 04:10.54 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o UtahDave] by ChanServ |
| 04:22.37 | *** join/#uphpu kendsnyder (~kendsnyde@71-219-136-234.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 04:22.37 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v kendsnyder] by ChanServ |
| 04:22.58 | *** join/#uphpu john-anderson (~john-ande@192.150.9.201) |
| 04:31.39 | *** join/#uphpu macnewbold (~macnewbol@71-35-213-207.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 04:31.39 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o macnewbold] by ChanServ |
| 04:38.36 | *** join/#uphpu carmony (~carmony@198.61.169.8) |
| 04:38.37 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o carmony] by ChanServ |
| 04:47.15 | *** join/#uphpu john-anderson (~john-ande@192.150.9.201) |
| 04:58.52 | *** join/#uphpu macnewbold (~macnewbol@71-35-213-207.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 04:59.01 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o macnewbold] by ChanServ |
| 06:58.47 | *** join/#uphpu john-anderson (~john-ande@192.150.9.201) |
| 07:50.33 | *** join/#uphpu com4 (~com4@i.am.a.sad.cat.xshellz.com) |
| 08:17.28 | *** join/#uphpu TuxToaster (~TuxToaste@66.133.98.20) |
| 08:17.28 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v TuxToaster] by ChanServ |
| 11:54.40 | *** join/#uphpu john-anderson (~john-ande@192.150.9.201) |
| 13:04.57 | *** join/#uphpu kendsnyder (~kendsnyde@71-219-136-234.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 13:04.57 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v kendsnyder] by ChanServ |
| 14:02.43 | *** join/#uphpu itimber (~Adium@204.10.234.111) |
| 14:02.43 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v itimber] by ChanServ |
| 14:03.42 | *** join/#uphpu TuxToaster (~TuxToaste@wfw.vivint.com) |
| 14:03.42 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v TuxToaster] by ChanServ |
| 14:05.14 | *** join/#uphpu opapo (~quassel@204.113.97.235) |
| 14:05.14 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v opapo] by ChanServ |
| 14:10.20 | *** join/#uphpu cro (~Adium@204-228-149-217.ip.xmission.com) |
| 14:22.28 | *** join/#uphpu eggyknap (~jtolley@184-11-45-120.dr01.dlta.ut.frontiernet.net) |
| 14:22.28 | *** join/#uphpu eggyknap (~jtolley@unaffiliated/eggyknap) |
| 14:22.28 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v eggyknap] by ChanServ |
| 14:23.50 | *** join/#uphpu supernovia (~Adium@208.64.91.46.static.utbb.net) |
| 14:24.02 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v supernovia] by ChanServ |
| 14:31.25 | *** join/#uphpu MikeHansenMe (~mike@2601:7:6fc0:a:29bd:7f76:1430:c192) |
| 14:38.22 | *** join/#uphpu kendsnyder (~kendsnyde@71-219-136-234.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 14:38.22 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v kendsnyder] by ChanServ |
| 14:39.48 | *** join/#uphpu ryan_ (~ryan@72.52.97.167) |
| 14:49.30 | *** join/#uphpu josephscott (~josephsco@proxy.iad.automattic.com) |
| 15:05.08 | ninnypants | $rlart |
| 15:05.08 | raifbot | beats the living hamstercrap out of ninnypants. |
| 15:05.19 | ninnypants | well that backfired |
| 15:09.24 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 15:09.31 | Skinner | haha |
| 15:09.34 | TuxToaster | you disturbed the peace |
| 15:09.40 | Skinner | $rlart |
| 15:09.41 | raifbot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats josephscott until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with. |
| 15:10.22 | josephscott | $mindtrick Skinner |
| 15:10.22 | raifbot | (jedi hand wave) Skinner he can go about his business. |
| 15:10.50 | TuxToaster | $8ball is his business sending squirrels to attack josephscott? |
| 15:10.50 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Yes. |
| 15:10.52 | Skinner | ~skinner the force |
| 15:10.52 | infobot | ACTION buries the force in a giant waterfall... WHOOOOSH! |
| 15:26.48 | *** join/#uphpu captbrogers (~brian@70-89-245-77-Bank-of-Utah-ut.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 15:27.00 | captbrogers | Who here is at Vivint? |
| 15:27.46 | captbrogers | I know mindjuju is |
| 15:28.27 | TuxToaster | nope |
| 15:28.34 | TuxToaster | mac, Wade and I are |
| 15:29.20 | captbrogers | Oh, why did he come to mind then? |
| 15:29.22 | *** join/#uphpu wGEric (~wGEric@107.0.84.214) |
| 15:29.22 | *** join/#uphpu wGEric (~wGEric@unaffiliated/wgeric) |
| 15:29.30 | captbrogers | Weird |
| 15:29.40 | TuxToaster | dunno :-) |
| 15:31.47 | *** join/#uphpu HumanCell (~Humancell@216.51.68.1) |
| 15:31.47 | *** join/#uphpu ponderability (~Adium@happybunny.chpc.utah.edu) |
| 15:32.50 | ninnypants | captbrogers: maybe it's because he sells costumes so you never know exactly what or who he is at any given time ;) |
| 15:33.08 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 15:33.08 | captbrogers | ninnypants: that must be it |
| 15:33.12 | captbrogers | He's a master of disguise |
| 15:34.43 | *** join/#uphpu Benni_Hanna (~Benni_Han@neutroninteractive-xmission.xmission.com) |
| 15:36.20 | shanemhansen | TuxToaster you guys work with nbrunson? |
| 15:38.07 | TuxToaster | yup, he's on our platform team on the other side of the floor we're on |
| 15:40.21 | shanemhansen | nice. He's basically my favorite person to work with ever. |
| 15:40.29 | shanemhansen | I wasn't aware vivint did much php. |
| 15:41.19 | TuxToaster | actually we're starting to do less, for a while we did it heavily |
| 15:41.43 | TuxToaster | but we're starting to focus more on single-page JS apps that use backend services |
| 15:42.07 | TuxToaster | the platform guys do more Python though, so I'm guessing he's probably doing that more than PHP |
| 15:44.30 | TuxToaster | we also still do quite a bit of maintenance and updates on the existing PHP apps, just newer development is focusing more on the client/service design |
| 15:47.02 | *** join/#uphpu supernovia (~Adium@208.64.91.46.static.utbb.net) |
| 15:47.03 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v supernovia] by ChanServ |
| 15:47.26 | shanemhansen | Lots of people seem to be going towards single page apps and client side rendering these days. |
| 15:49.02 | *** join/#uphpu ryan_ (~ryan@72.52.97.167) |
| 15:49.07 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 15:49.32 | TuxToaster | I just wish the JS world wasn't so fractured on tech |
| 15:49.57 | TuxToaster | constant arguments over which framework is better, everyone and their dog has to start their own *.JS |
| 15:50.15 | TuxToaster | most platforms have that but it seems like JS is worse |
| 15:50.22 | ponderability | I was wondering about the single-pagers.. Do they degrade to something functional when JS is turned off? |
| 15:50.32 | TuxToaster | depends, usually yes |
| 15:50.58 | TuxToaster | they try to gracefully degrade to something that works even if the experience is less than ideal |
| 15:51.41 | ponderability | Ok, then I won't write it off. That's kind an official-unofficial requirement at the University. :) |
| 15:52.11 | ninnypants | ponderability: it should be the official requirement of everywhere really |
| 15:52.33 | josephscott | I've seen several single page apps that are completely useless with JS off |
| 15:52.48 | josephscott | just ask Twitter how that went :-) |
| 15:53.39 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 15:53.53 | TuxToaster | plus then you have the added pain of making sure everything works cross browser |
| 15:54.21 | TuxToaster | I still like doing a healthy amount of logic server-side and using JS for the presentation logic |
| 15:54.45 | josephscott | I think there are places for single page apps |
| 15:54.55 | josephscott | like gmail for instance |
| 15:55.10 | josephscott | because I basically treat it like an app, I open it in a tab and basically never close it |
| 15:55.17 | shanemhansen | I think the problem is the number of people who confuse their website with an app. |
| 15:55.23 | josephscott | but most sites I don't treat that way |
| 15:55.30 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: yeah I always try to do the initial html render on the server side then changes and whatever else can happen through js if it's available |
| 15:55.56 | shanemhansen | In ecommerce single page apps are usually a bad idea because SEO and bookmarking are more important. You can get that with a single page app, it's just not quite as easy. |
| 15:55.57 | josephscott | if I'm not leaving your page open for at least 1/2 a day, then it probably isn't a good candidate for single page app |
| 15:56.14 | josephscott | because the load time experience for those tends to be horrible |
| 15:56.22 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 15:56.30 | ninnypants | josephscott: one I wish was more like that would be github I wish I had more keyboard shortcuts for nagiating through repos and issues |
| 15:56.35 | TuxToaster | I also have a tendency not to use JS for routing and url handling |
| 15:56.50 | TuxToaster | because I may have different pages and I don't want to load everything to the client if they are not going to use all the pages |
| 15:57.57 | TuxToaster | like I have a tool that is a dashboard where users basically leave it up all the time to monitor stats and stuff. There are other tabs that let them manage email queues and other tools, but those load a new page rather than relying on the JS to handle routing to them |
| 15:58.15 | josephscott | if your page needs to display a "loading app" progress bar, and I'm not going to have it open in a tab for the next day, then your site experience ends up being awful |
| 15:58.47 | josephscott | the horrible #! URLs :-) |
| 16:00.15 | ponderability | # URLs.. Somebody was talking about those in show-and-tell last night I believe. |
| 16:00.28 | josephscott | really it boils down to experience, if the user experience is better, then explore the approach, if it is worse, then strongly consider avoidingit |
| 16:00.28 | ponderability | Was that part of angular's preference? |
| 16:01.06 | TuxToaster | ponderability: most JS based routers have to do that to prevent the browser from changing pages and reloading the content |
| 16:01.28 | josephscott | at least for older browsers |
| 16:01.34 | TuxToaster | if you hit another URL the JS has no way to control what happens because it's killed |
| 16:02.14 | TuxToaster | josephscott: dunno, I don't see how you could have JS completely control it without a # |
| 16:03.14 | TuxToaster | if you're on / and you browse to /inbox the browser is going to automatically ask the server for /inbox... unless there is some way to tell it via manifest or something that /inbox is handled differently |
| 16:03.27 | TuxToaster | guess there might be something I haven't used yet that does that though |
| 16:04.42 | josephscott | TuxToaster: check out pushstate |
| 16:05.11 | josephscott | TuxToaster: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide/DOM/Manipulating_the_browser_history |
| 16:09.44 | wGEric | you have to rewrite urls on the server if you use pushstate |
| 16:10.55 | TuxToaster | ah, figured there still had to be something server side to work with that |
| 16:11.13 | TuxToaster | guessing if you use Node though there's probably an npm module that handles most of it for you |
| 16:12.55 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: push state |
| 16:12.56 | josephscott | you'll need something server side to work with it for non JS clients |
| 16:13.57 | josephscott | if your single page app uses example.com/new-user/ and you have a client that attempts to request that URL without JS enabled, then yes, obviously your web server needs to be able to handle that |
| 16:14.25 | josephscott | see also - https://github.com/defunkt/jquery-pjax |
| 16:15.00 | josephscott | the pjax approach is a nice in between |
| 16:18.26 | *** join/#uphpu NoCoolName_Tom (~NoCoolNam@64.124.34.34) |
| 16:23.51 | HumanCell | Anyone out there using AWS EC2 with Amazon Linux? |
| 16:25.01 | josephscott | not I |
| 16:27.15 | HumanCell | I've been a long time CentOS user ... but see that the Amazon Linux appears to be RedHat/EPEL6 compatible ... |
| 16:27.25 | HumanCell | ... curious if anyone has a reason NOT to use it? :-) |
| 16:32.02 | josephscott | I've been happy with Ubuntu server edition for the last several years |
| 16:37.58 | mindjuju | i've got a couple AWS Cent 6 and an ubutnu (cough and a couple winders) |
| 16:52.37 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 16:52.37 | raifbot | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at uxp_. |
| 16:53.32 | TuxToaster | Ubuntu wasn't bad, for a bit they had that curses based config tool that was kinda cool, but I still prefer a base debian install for a server |
| 16:55.17 | mindjuju | why? (not a "why" = are you serious; more of a "why" = tell me more) |
| 16:56.42 | josephscott | I've never used the curses config thing |
| 16:56.58 | josephscott | just edit files, hit apt-get/aptitude |
| 16:57.07 | TuxToaster | josephscott: not even sure if it's still there, I just remember using it when I tried one of the early versions of Ubuntu server |
| 16:57.27 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: a lot of it is probably that I've been using debian since I was a kid. |
| 16:57.55 | shanemhansen | I started out using ubuntu, but now I prefer debian. It just seems to have fewer surprises. |
| 16:58.06 | TuxToaster | I definitely prefer it over CentOS variants (though I can work with those just fine when needed, most places I've worked require CentOS anyways) |
| 16:58.26 | TuxToaster | apt has much less dependency hell and fighting to install packages |
| 16:58.34 | shanemhansen | I booted up a debian vps just recently and when it booted it was usign 10mb of memory. |
| 16:58.42 | shanemhansen | apt package mixing works very well. |
| 16:58.49 | TuxToaster | debian seems to have more packages available without having to manually install an rpm or find a custom repo |
| 16:58.56 | shanemhansen | whereas I've been burned pretty bad by centos package mixing. |
| 16:58.59 | TuxToaster | and it's fast, yum is slow as molasses |
| 16:59.08 | TuxToaster | (what shanemhansen said) |
| 16:59.21 | TuxToaster | the only issue I've ever had is if the /var partition gets corrupted |
| 16:59.25 | TuxToaster | apt can hose itself |
| 16:59.29 | shanemhansen | The only time debian package mixing has broken for me is multiarch stuff. (I had a custom build of openssl) |
| 16:59.38 | TuxToaster | mind you, the system still works even. But it gets messy. |
| 17:00.38 | ninnypants | mindjuju: why're you reaching into my back pocket? |
| 17:00.41 | TuxToaster | as far as Ubuntu goes, it's decent. I used it for a while on the desktop, but I still like the fact that I can install a bare debian box in a matter of minutes and know that it's stable and minimal. |
| 17:00.55 | TuxToaster | I don't have to worry about what random stuff changed since I last did an install |
| 17:01.37 | TuxToaster | my preference is debian for servers and other nix projects, and if I'm going to use it as a desktop, ArchLinux |
| 17:01.48 | shanemhansen | I use ubuntu on laptops. There is some custom hardware support they sometimes get ahead of time. for example the https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl package for macbook pro wireless. |
| 17:01.50 | mindjuju | TuxToaster: it is kind of weird to go to the quick app screen and type in brasero and have pictures of bras come up from amazon |
| 17:02.14 | TuxToaster | I mostly use OS X as a desktop so that I am less inclined to spend time tweaking audio drivers and crap all the time instead of working, lol |
| 17:02.27 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: wat. |
| 17:02.46 | shanemhansen | I tried OSX for like 6 months, hence the macbook pro. In the nicest way, it just want's as good as linux mint. |
| 17:02.49 | shanemhansen | *wasn't |
| 17:03.09 | TuxToaster | shanemhansen: I miss some of the customizability |
| 17:03.16 | mindjuju | TuxToaster: do you have an ubuntu box near by? |
| 17:03.24 | TuxToaster | but I have to agree with the "just works" idea at least |
| 17:03.27 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: not currently |
| 17:03.50 | mindjuju | you'll just have to take my word for it, there is a quick findy app in the upper left side |
| 17:04.00 | mindjuju | brasero is an app for burning CDs |
| 17:04.10 | TuxToaster | so the quick find does amazon and google searches now? |
| 17:04.23 | mindjuju | yup, well just amazon |
| 17:04.32 | TuxToaster | WAT. heh. that would be annoying |
| 17:04.40 | mindjuju | but you type brasero and by the time you've typed up bra, it comes up bras |
| 17:04.53 | TuxToaster | I like how Alfred on OS X works where you can hit an option to search google or amazon or whatever ,but it doesn't just do it and give you pictures |
| 17:05.11 | mindjuju | if i get a minute, i'll have VLC record you what i mean |
| 17:05.38 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: http://cl.ly/image/2p2A0g2J0f0Y |
| 17:05.48 | TuxToaster | that's how Alfred does it at least, which I like |
| 17:06.11 | TuxToaster | (in addition to whatever system results appear) |
| 17:06.38 | *** join/#uphpu mgeary (~mgeary@67.136.112.81) |
| 17:06.38 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v mgeary] by ChanServ |
| 17:08.16 | TuxToaster | brb, heading back to the office |
| 17:08.18 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: I love alfred |
| 17:09.07 | *** join/#uphpu TuxToaster (~TuxToaste@wfw.vivint.com) |
| 17:09.08 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v TuxToaster] by ChanServ |
| 17:10.22 | mindjuju | TuxToaster: it came up when i was teaching Corban how to rip his DVDs and save them to the file server, i couldn't remember what brasero was called and was typing it in slowly to see what came up and pow, we had us a conversation on our hands |
| 17:10.35 | mindjuju | http://screencast.com/t/ldLjyO8t2U |
| 17:10.39 | mindjuju | that's what it looks like |
| 17:11.34 | mindjuju | dumping in google results, possibly annoying but useful and makes sense |
| 17:11.38 | mindjuju | but querying amazon? |
| 17:11.42 | ninnypants | mindjuju: there hasn't been something written up to kill that "feature"? |
| 17:12.16 | mindjuju | i'm sure there is, just haven't had a minute to figure it out |
| 17:16.22 | ninnypants | mindjuju: `sudo apt-get remove unity-lens-shopping` |
| 17:16.48 | ninnypants | looks like you have to log out then in to finish though |
| 17:19.29 | mindjuju | thx for the heads up on that :) |
| 17:29.15 | *** join/#uphpu john-anderson (~john-ande@192.150.9.201) |
| 17:38.30 | *** join/#uphpu UtahDave (~boucha@63.230.12.160) |
| 17:38.31 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o UtahDave] by ChanServ |
| 17:45.37 | *** join/#uphpu TuxToaster (~TuxToaste@66.219.204.99.provo.dynamic.broadweavenetworks.net) |
| 17:45.39 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v TuxToaster] by ChanServ |
| 17:46.11 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: me too |
| 17:46.16 | TuxToaster | it's quite handy |
| 17:46.35 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: do you build your own custom workflows? |
| 17:46.47 | shanemhansen | I really recommend linux mint. It's like ubuntu before ubuntu jumped the shark. No shopping lenses. |
| 17:47.30 | TuxToaster | shanemhansen: I tried it once, it was decent. ArchLinux still takes it for me, I prefer having complete control over the OS, but Gentoo was too much of a pain to custom compile everything |
| 17:47.43 | TuxToaster | so with Arch you can easily compile packages if you wish, or you can use prebuilt |
| 17:47.47 | TuxToaster | performace was really good |
| 17:48.30 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: I havent played too much with the workflows to be honest, the ones I was going to build already existed |
| 17:48.31 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 17:48.57 | TuxToaster | I've done a couple of them for searching specific sites |
| 17:49.00 | TuxToaster | but nothing crazy |
| 17:49.26 | *** join/#uphpu NoCoolName_Tom (~NoCoolNam@64.124.34.34) |
| 17:49.39 | shanemhansen | archlinux is pretty nice. I stopped using it at one point because updating my system broke git. |
| 17:49.54 | shanemhansen | At least they are up front about it: "Warning: Instead of immediately updating as soon as updates are available, users must recognize that due to the nature of Arch's rolling release approach, an update may have unforeseen consequences. This means that it is not wise to update if, for example, one is about to deliver an important presentation. Rather, update during free time and be prepared to deal with any problems that |
| 17:49.54 | shanemhansen | may arise." |
| 17:50.31 | TuxToaster | heh, yeah, that kind of stuff is why I started using OS X more, I'd spend a lot of time fixing small things that broke or tweaking stuff |
| 17:50.53 | TuxToaster | I used to maintain the Cisco VPN client package on there |
| 17:51.06 | TuxToaster | just because every time an update would come out I'd have to fix the build |
| 17:51.12 | TuxToaster | or I couldn't get into the network at work |
| 17:51.47 | shanemhansen | I'm still a glutton for punishment I guess. Linux mint on macbook pro is a little wacky. |
| 17:51.55 | shanemhansen | Wireless G only |
| 17:52.09 | TuxToaster | honestly the geek in me wants to go back to it |
| 17:52.30 | shanemhansen | I don't really notice that much difference. |
| 17:52.44 | shanemhansen | I use the same apps (chrome and xchat and emacs) |
| 17:52.58 | TuxToaster | but as far as hardware, I still love my MBP... excellent battery life, reliable, etc. and on the software side I don't have to sit and tweak OS X to be able to get work done |
| 17:53.08 | shanemhansen | The other day I accidentally booted into OSX and it was about 10 minutes before I realized I was in the wrong OS. |
| 17:53.25 | shanemhansen | The only thing my brain noticed was that some history was missing from my chat log. |
| 17:53.50 | TuxToaster | yeah it's not like Linux was horrible or anything, I loved it really, I just found I'd get distracted doing other stuff easier |
| 17:54.00 | TuxToaster | like on my old lappy the webcam didn't work with Linux |
| 17:54.23 | TuxToaster | so I'd spend more time fiddling with trying to make the driver work than just getting something constructive done. |
| 17:54.49 | shanemhansen | I do that occasionally, I'm not going to lie. |
| 17:55.01 | shanemhansen | Getting gestures and stuff working with a trackpad for instance. |
| 17:55.01 | TuxToaster | plus on OS X at least if I'm fiddling with an app I want to finish I can actually sell it. |
| 17:55.18 | TuxToaster | (I *still* owe ninnypants a beta of the mail client I've been working on, actually) |
| 17:56.20 | TuxToaster | I rewrote it back to Obj-C because Python was going to cause a lot of headaches for distributing it |
| 17:56.32 | shanemhansen | I know it's weird, but I got tired of the how hard the tweaks I wanted to apply to OSX were. |
| 17:56.53 | TuxToaster | yeah I used to hate hate hate the fact I couldn't change the window chrome |
| 17:56.55 | shanemhansen | Like window management. I had to install a custom, paid app to give me keyboard shortcuts for positioning windows. |
| 17:57.29 | shanemhansen | That's my fault, wanting to make OSX like linux. But I'm like anyone else, I'm more productive with what I know. |
| 17:57.35 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 17:57.42 | shanemhansen | TuxToaster, did you ever look into pyinstaller? |
| 17:58.01 | TuxToaster | pyinstaller? nope. I was using py2app and I looked at cxfreeze |
| 17:58.02 | shanemhansen | It bundles all your python code into a native executable. |
| 17:58.13 | shanemhansen | It's basically what dropbox does as far as I can tell. |
| 17:58.40 | TuxToaster | the big issues I had were 1) could whatever was generated be distributed on the app store and 2) could the source code be found in the bundle |
| 17:59.18 | shanemhansen | pyinstaller helps with that. The code certainly isn't cryptographically secure, but you'd have to have some fairly deep python knowledge to extract it. |
| 17:59.27 | TuxToaster | there was at least an app or two using the pyObjC bridge and py2app that were on the store at one point, so I think as long as I wasn't calling anything private it would have been fine. But there was a disclaimer that py2app would put a bunch of your code in the bundle |
| 17:59.28 | shanemhansen | I don't know about the app store guidelines. |
| 18:00.00 | shanemhansen | Does the app store allow a executable plus a handful of shared libs? |
| 18:00.21 | TuxToaster | kind of. If you have a precompiled framework as a lib it will let you bundle those in |
| 18:00.39 | TuxToaster | it's kind of grey if it will let you bundle in say raw python code that has to be built at runtime |
| 18:01.26 | TuxToaster | plus I kept finding things where people said Python was slower, particularly at UI operations |
| 18:01.43 | TuxToaster | personally I found it quite snappy but I could see where there could be bottlenecks |
| 18:02.04 | TuxToaster | so now it's all native code again, I just need to add functionality to it |
| 18:02.43 | shanemhansen | Nice. objective-c isn't too bad. |
| 18:04.25 | TuxToaster | yeah I don't care for some of the conventions, but it's not hard to pick up if you know other languages, especially now that they finally made it so you don't have to care about releasing and retaining objects and doing manual memory management |
| 18:05.36 | TuxToaster | but I'm basically going for a mail client that is light and quick, but can add some functionality like using Gmail's search to find stuff and will automatically pick up things like tracking numbers from your email, etc. |
| 18:06.10 | TuxToaster | I'm not really a fan of leaving the website open all the time (even in something like Fluid) |
| 18:07.34 | TuxToaster | my luck is as soon as I finish it Google will deprecate some feature I'm using though. |
| 18:10.02 | *** join/#uphpu john-anderson (~john-ande@192.150.9.201) |
| 18:10.49 | shanemhansen | gmail makes me sigh. |
| 18:12.05 | shanemhansen | not a great platform |
| 18:12.34 | TuxToaster | the email side of it works nicely and catches spam well |
| 18:12.48 | TuxToaster | the UI side of it is a bit clunky for my tastes |
| 18:13.33 | TuxToaster | so I mostly pick up my email through IMAP anyways, but since Google bought Sparrow they haven't fixed some of the issues with it, so that's why I started writing my own |
| 18:37.49 | *** join/#uphpu josephscott (~josephsco@proxy.iad.automattic.com) |
| 18:38.58 | mindjuju | anybody here drive a BMW? |
| 18:40.55 | mindjuju | for your afternoon lunch enjoyment I present (ahem! BMW drivers are jerks!) |
| 18:41.00 | mindjuju | http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/12/the-rich-drive-differently-a-study-suggests/?_r=0 |
| 18:41.56 | mindjuju | oh and the toyota prius too |
| 18:57.55 | mgeary | romanovic does |
| 18:58.05 | mgeary | or did, anyways |
| 18:59.40 | *** join/#uphpu john-anderson (~john-ande@192.150.9.201) |
| 19:00.48 | romanovic | haha |
| 19:17.03 | TuxToaster | “Despite its good brakes, a BMW will usually stop with a jerk.” |
| 19:17.04 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:23.55 | ninnypants | mindjuju: apparently prius drivers are earth friendly but not human friendly |
| 19:29.49 | TuxToaster | probably puts me in a close category to a Prius, but I generally try to drive friendly |
| 19:31.55 | *** join/#uphpu john-anderson (~john-ande@192.150.9.201) |
| 19:34.28 | mindjuju | $8ball does TuxToaster like to drive aggresive? |
| 19:34.28 | raifbot | mindjuju - My sources say no. |
| 19:34.38 | ponderability | I wonder if the Prius got thrown into the bunch because it's so much fun to sneak up on people in "silent" mode. |
| 19:35.00 | mindjuju | $8ball he doesn't chase grandmothers trying to cross the street back to the sidewalk? |
| 19:35.00 | raifbot | mindjuju - My reply is no. |
| 19:35.20 | mindjuju | wow TuxToaster, you're good :) |
| 19:35.27 | ponderability | Or did I just out myself? |
| 19:36.30 | mindjuju | is this a real car or photoshop? why 6 wheels? http://www.cars-bikes.info/d/7519-2/covini-c6w-007.jpg |
| 19:37.16 | TuxToaster | ponderability: lol |
| 19:37.30 | TuxToaster | I get some strange looks sometimes when I back out and the engine is off |
| 19:37.55 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: looks like a photoshop to me |
| 19:38.26 | TuxToaster | it's possibly real, but there's some blurryness and a couple of spots that just look wrong to me |
| 19:38.31 | mindjuju | here is where the pic is from |
| 19:38.37 | mindjuju | http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=italian+front+door+car&FORM=IQFRBA&id=1A0CABF15D06131C269625228862276F61C41F4C&selectedIndex=6#view=detail&id=6798B823EF0E76208527EE59D1B821DE8A1473B7&selectedIndex=6 |
| 19:38.48 | mindjuju | sorry about the bing link, a coworker sent it |
| 19:38.49 | ninnypants | mindjuju: yeah the perspective is off |
| 19:39.05 | *** join/#uphpu undertakingyou (~undertaki@50.8.75.63) |
| 19:39.05 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v undertakingyou] by ChanServ |
| 19:39.14 | mindjuju | it's the 7th and 8th pic in that gallery |
| 19:39.19 | ninnypants | you can't see the other rear tire cover through the window and the tire also goes into where the door would be |
| 19:40.37 | mindjuju | weird, here it is 6wheel convini - http://blog.carlist.my/2011/04/blog/imagine-a-car-with-6-wheels-instead-of-4/ |
| 19:42.31 | *** join/#uphpu kendsnyder (~kendsnyde@64.122.20.87) |
| 19:42.31 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v kendsnyder] by ChanServ |
| 20:06.46 | *** join/#uphpu cro (~Adium@204-228-149-217.ip.xmission.com) |
| 20:13.30 | ninnypants | this is a little disappointing http://www.provobuzz.com/walmart-coming-to-provo/ |
| 20:28.58 | *** join/#uphpu john-anderson (~john-ande@192.150.9.201) |
| 20:39.16 | *** join/#uphpu NoCoolName_Tom (~NoCoolNam@64.124.34.34) |
| 20:41.19 | *** join/#uphpu supernovia (~Adium@207-135-129-4.ip.xmission.com) |
| 20:41.19 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v supernovia] by ChanServ |
| 20:55.43 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: why? |
| 20:55.47 | TuxToaster | hoping for a full-size one? |
| 20:56.04 | TuxToaster | or because you don't want one there at all? |
| 21:20.12 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: don't want one at all |
| 21:22.30 | *** join/#uphpu littleSkinner (~JSkinn@asa-2.fbp.ore.fiber.net) |
| 21:31.13 | *** join/#uphpu opapo_ (~quassel@204.113.97.235) |
| 21:31.49 | *** join/#uphpu josephscott (~josephsco@proxy.iad.automattic.com) |
| 22:03.37 | *** join/#uphpu stevecoug (~stevecoug@oalug/member/stevecoug) |
| 22:03.37 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v stevecoug] by ChanServ |
| 22:04.00 | *** join/#uphpu supernovia (~Adium@208.64.91.46.static.utbb.net) |
| 22:04.02 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v supernovia] by ChanServ |
| 22:23.31 | *** join/#uphpu kendsnyder (~kendsnyde@71-219-136-234.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 22:23.31 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v kendsnyder] by ChanServ |
| 22:44.17 | *** join/#uphpu ryan (~ryan@72.52.97.167) |
| 22:50.17 | *** join/#uphpu NoCoolName_Tom (~NoCoolNam@64.124.34.34) |
| 22:54.34 | mgeary | anyone here decent with xsl? |
| 22:55.00 | josephscott | $lart Google Docs for being offline |
| 22:55.01 | raifbot | rm -rf's Google Docs for being offline. |
| 22:55.08 | mindjuju | bigdog would be, you can try him on mailing list |
| 22:55.44 | *** join/#uphpu wGEric (~wGEric@107.0.84.214) |
| 22:55.44 | *** join/#uphpu wGEric (~wGEric@unaffiliated/wgeric) |
| 23:03.06 | TuxToaster | josephscott: I'd say that might have backfired on you... |
| 23:03.37 | josephscott | :-) |
| 23:09.07 | *** join/#uphpu ninnypants (~ninnypant@unaffiliated/ninnypants) |
| 23:09.08 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v ninnypants] by ChanServ |
| 23:22.17 | *** join/#uphpu NoCoolName_Tom (~NoCoolNam@64.124.34.34) |
