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| 14:57.58 | hhatfield | $8ball will today be a good day? |
| 14:57.59 | raifbot | hhatfield - Most likely. |
| 14:58.08 | hhatfield | $8ball for all? |
| 14:58.09 | raifbot | hhatfield - It is certain. |
| 14:58.18 | hhatfield | ~party |
| 14:58.18 | infobot | Woohoo! Bot on the loose! |
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| 16:23.09 | TuxToaster | ... |
| 16:23.59 | ninnypants | $rlart |
| 16:23.59 | raifbot | beats clintberry to within 2.54cm of his life. |
| 16:24.07 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: poking raifbot must have worked |
| 16:25.29 | clintberry | oh man, I haven't gotten rlarted for a while |
| 16:25.53 | clintberry | it makes one sad a bit to think someone wanted to talk to me, but alas, it was only raifbot spewing hate |
| 16:26.03 | TuxToaster | heh |
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| 16:28.19 | carmony | clintberry: I'll talk with ya :P any updates on the node.js adomotic stuff? :P |
| 16:28.45 | clintberry | ha ha, thanks carmony. and no... so I guess that means you don't want to talk anymore :-) |
| 16:28.56 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 16:28.57 | carmony | lol, its all good still :P |
| 16:29.03 | carmony | do you still do much with the home auto stuff? |
| 16:29.29 | clintberry | Yeah, I do, but I use the C library because it already is working. But I am still plugging away at the front-end app |
| 16:29.41 | clintberry | I need to do some catch up on the javascript version |
| 16:32.24 | carmony | Maybe I just need to break down and do the C stuff |
| 16:34.18 | clintberry | I don't know about that. we just use it because we envision a controller that is extremely small with hardly any juice (not enough to power node.js) |
| 16:34.28 | clintberry | but I still am a believer in my javascript version |
| 16:34.43 | TuxToaster | I just use a Vera controller and do some scripting through the plugin interface it has |
| 16:35.13 | TuxToaster | haven't had time to do any hard core automation yet |
| 16:36.11 | TuxToaster | I did do a PHP-based controller on a Raspberry Pi for controlling my TV over HDMI though |
| 16:36.28 | TuxToaster | so I can hit /tv/power/off or /tv/input/hdmi1 etc |
| 16:37.36 | carmony | I just want an interface to send messages to my usb controller stick |
| 16:38.04 | TuxToaster | what is the stick? a Z-Wave controller? |
| 16:38.21 | carmony | yup |
| 16:38.57 | TuxToaster | I was originally considering doing that. Main issue is you need something to manage the Z-Wave network itself, handle associations and updates and stuff. |
| 16:39.41 | TuxToaster | if it has software to do that, then it just needs a way to tell the software to send a request or something. I just wouldn't want to have to re-implement the controller from scratch, there's a lot of quirks to it |
| 16:40.04 | TuxToaster | I had to fight a bit to get my Vivint panel and Vera to agree on which one could be the master controller |
| 16:42.42 | carmony | TuxToaster: then what do you use? |
| 16:43.06 | TuxToaster | I've been using the Vera as my master controller |
| 16:43.12 | TuxToaster | www.micasaverde.com/controllers/vera3/ |
| 16:43.18 | carmony | Right now I'm actually looking more at some Office Automation |
| 16:47.59 | carmony | I want to have certain lights go off |
| 16:48.02 | carmony | when things happen |
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| 18:49.48 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 18:49.48 | raifbot | pushes the wall down onto jnbek whilst whistling innocently. |
| 18:49.54 | TuxToaster | carmony: exactly |
| 18:51.10 | TuxToaster | something like a Vera controller would give you that capability with a little tweaking. There are probably other controllers that let you set up the rules a bit easier even (e.g. Vivint lets you set up the rules very easily on the website, but you're limited to their pre-defined actions) |
| 18:51.49 | TuxToaster | the Vera supports plugins, so there is a plugin I used that allows you to generate events based on various device variables and it can then trigger a scene or another action |
| 18:52.10 | clintberry | sorry, just saw the confo. TuxToaster: zwave sticks implement the controller software on the chip |
| 18:52.13 | clintberry | super easy to use |
| 18:52.13 | TuxToaster | so as a silly test, I actually had it monitor the state of my thermostat, and made it so the lights turned on when the AC fan kicked on, and off when it went off |
| 18:52.31 | TuxToaster | clintberry: so it handles all of the controller features right on the stick? nice. |
| 18:52.44 | clintberry | yeah, but still not as full featured as Vera |
| 18:52.50 | clintberry | I have to program my own Gui, for example |
| 18:53.01 | TuxToaster | yeah, that's what I originally planned on doing |
| 18:53.11 | clintberry | Vera is awesome, though |
| 18:53.21 | TuxToaster | still might at some point. Vera is pretty cool, but the GUI is a bit clunky |
| 18:53.34 | clintberry | Supposedly you can create your own gui with Vera api |
| 18:53.45 | clintberry | but it wasn't documented enough that I took the plunge and bought one |
| 18:53.48 | TuxToaster | so I might create a replacement frontend or I might just build my own |
| 18:54.08 | clintberry | so cool. I love home automation |
| 18:54.13 | unum | is it considered bad form to tweek with font size based off resolution |
| 18:54.29 | TuxToaster | my big thing that I need to finish is an Android app for controlling the lights |
| 18:54.41 | TuxToaster | with the twist that the available options on the screen change as you change rooms |
| 18:55.10 | TuxToaster | so instead of having to go find Front Room and then tell it to turn the lights on/off, it just knows you're in the front room and shows it automatically |
| 18:58.09 | clintberry | TuxToaster: Awesome idea. GPS aware controls |
| 18:58.20 | clintberry | is phone gps accurate enough for that inside a building? |
| 18:58.43 | clintberry | unum: No way! It is a good thing |
| 18:58.50 | TuxToaster | I actually am fudging it a bit with bluetooth proximity and a couple of Raspberry Pis |
| 18:58.56 | clintberry | nice |
| 18:59.20 | unum | I'm looking at increasing it based off of lower resolution |
| 18:59.22 | TuxToaster | I know there have been a couple of projects looking at indoor GPS, but it'd be really hard to get the right resolution there |
| 19:00.10 | clintberry | unum: Wouldn't you increase the font size if the user has a higher resolution? |
| 19:00.15 | TuxToaster | but I know Bluetooth can work fairly well for detecting proximity, I used to have a script that would lock/unlock my workstation when I left or returned to my desk |
| 19:00.40 | clintberry | TuxToaster: What about near field stuff. Could that work? |
| 19:01.42 | TuxToaster | in my case it wouldn't as my Android devices don't have NFC radios, but my understanding of NFC is that it only works within a few milimeters |
| 19:01.53 | fungus | Tux, how do you do the Bluetooth proximity stuff? Sounds like fun. |
| 19:01.59 | clintberry | TuxToaster: I guess bluetooth is pretty dang good at getting a location within range. http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sticknfind-bluetooth-powered-ultra-small-location-stickers |
| 19:02.18 | TuxToaster | I'm kind of aiming for when you are roughly in the room it just changes, no need to tap it or anything |
| 19:02.44 | fungus | udev rules? |
| 19:03.14 | TuxToaster | fungus: the script I did years ago was fairly simple, it just used one of the bt stack utilities to get stats of a particular device and measure the signal strength |
| 19:03.44 | fungus | oh, that works too. |
| 19:04.10 | TuxToaster | so it just pinged that every few seconds and checked the signal level and had some thresholds. I'm sure the newer BT stuff is probably better suited with lower power usage |
| 19:04.34 | TuxToaster | so I've got an RPi on my TV |
| 19:05.07 | TuxToaster | and I've got another one for testing, but I'm thinking at some point I'll have one in each room or major area (likely driving an in-wall touch screen control) so I can use those to identify which room I'm in |
| 19:06.05 | unum | clintberry: I'm trying to use @media tags to make my site work better with phones |
| 19:06.20 | unum | but the resolution on my phone makes me think this is going to actually work like I had hoped.... |
| 19:07.40 | TuxToaster | unum: I don't usually change font sizes much when doing that, but it's totally doable if you need to tweak a bit |
| 19:08.00 | TuxToaster | I think I have made heading levels a bit smaller on phones before |
| 19:08.03 | unum | of course the user can always just zoom |
| 19:10.16 | unum | my mobile has a resolution of over 800.... |
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| 20:00.36 | ninnypants | unum: zoom is dependent on viewport rules though so you have to be careful with it |
| 20:00.50 | mindjuju | ~zoom ninnypants |
| 20:00.55 | mindjuju | darn |
| 20:01.10 | herlo | mindjuju: lol |
| 20:01.10 | ninnypants | I usually like to just have a slightly larger font size rather than having to scroll left and right |
| 20:01.34 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I still need to get you that epiphan are you going to be home around 6:30ish? |
| 20:02.06 | mindjuju | ninnypants: i actually wont be tonight, Corban wants to go to Python tonight |
| 20:02.18 | mindjuju | i feel like a PHP traitor sitting there |
| 20:02.23 | ninnypants | oh nice I forgot that was tonight |
| 20:02.38 | fungus | ~congratulate mindjuju |
| 20:02.39 | infobot | ACTION congratulates mindjuju on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 20:03.11 | ninnypants | mindjuju: ok maybe I'll try to bring it by tomorrow then |
| 20:03.54 | mindjuju | sounds good :) |
| 20:06.51 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 20:06.53 | TuxToaster | expensive brick |
| 20:07.09 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: nothing wrong with Python |
| 20:10.02 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 20:10.11 | mindjuju | "go ahead, code a little python, nobody will know..." |
| 20:10.16 | mindjuju | that's how it starts |
| 20:10.19 | TuxToaster | haaha |
| 20:10.29 | TuxToaster | yup. Ask SunSparc. |
| 20:11.02 | mindjuju | Sparc caught me at last month's python meeting |
| 20:17.16 | fungus | I would go if it wasn't on thursdays. |
| 20:18.52 | TuxToaster | $lart Thursdays |
| 20:18.52 | raifbot | hooks into a hydrant and hoses Thursdays down. |
| 20:19.21 | ninnypants | fungus: too many raids? |
| 20:19.44 | fungus | not "too many", just poor timing. :) |
| 20:20.02 | ninnypants | fungus: well can there ever really be too many? ;) |
| 20:21.56 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 20:22.19 | fungus | hehe |
| 20:22.27 | hhatfield | ah… the days of raiding |
| 20:22.48 | hhatfield | I thought I might get some farming or such in staying up with my twins at night |
| 20:23.01 | hhatfield | they sleep really well, and I haven't played since they were born |
| 20:23.13 | fungus | bummer. |
| 20:24.30 | TuxToaster | hhatfield: most people usually don't wish for their kids to stay awake |
| 20:24.34 | TuxToaster | particularly twins. |
| 20:24.38 | TuxToaster | just sayin. |
| 20:24.41 | hhatfield | didn't wish for it |
| 20:24.45 | hhatfield | just thought it would happen |
| 20:25.10 | Skinner | I raided some ants on my driveway the other week. |
| 20:25.48 | fungus | ants don't seem to me to be very epic or challenging? |
| 20:27.33 | Skinner | It's true? Which raid do you do? I do http://bit.ly/17As9yr and sometimes http://bit.ly/15geavV |
| 20:27.43 | hhatfield | yeah… just AOE them down |
| 20:27.45 | Skinner | I mean, "It's true." |
| 20:28.18 | herlo | AOE? Age of Empires? :) |
| 20:28.32 | Skinner | Ya with the corvette cheat |
| 20:28.36 | hhatfield | Army of Elephants |
| 20:29.33 | Skinner | http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/ueJyvxSnEmY/hqdefault.jpg |
| 20:29.38 | Skinner | He he, cars. |
| 20:31.11 | fungus | At work I do the latter of those. At home I do http://us.battle.net/wow/en/zone/throne-of-thunder/ |
| 20:32.05 | Skinner | what server? H or A? |
| 20:32.21 | hhatfield | A/S/L |
| 20:32.23 | fungus | Windrunner A |
| 20:32.49 | Skinner | hhatfield: I used to know a little American Sign Language |
| 20:33.20 | hhatfield | Skinner: I know pasteurized milk |
| 20:35.26 | mindjuju | there were some secret Ant missions on Red Alert |
| 20:35.32 | mindjuju | i think it was one of the expansion packs |
| 20:37.12 | Skinner | Ya, i remember those |
| 20:37.30 | Skinner | that game ran great on my 16MB RAM in DOS |
| 20:37.32 | mindjuju | :) |
| 20:37.55 | mindjuju | the only bad thing about red alert was that it only networked on ipx/spx |
| 20:38.21 | fungus | why is that bad? IPX was easy. |
| 20:38.29 | mindjuju | though we did setup a game over null modem a few times at school |
| 20:38.30 | fungus | especially on a single local LAN |
| 20:39.31 | mindjuju | fungus laughing at what is easy is like Zues laughing at a mere mortal he arm wrestled and bested |
| 20:39.47 | Skinner | lol |
| 20:39.49 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 20:41.25 | fungus | hehe. |
| 20:42.02 | fungus | But it's true. IPX was cake. Turn on protocol, and go. No picking addresses, no DHCP garbage. Compared to TCP/IP it was a breeze. |
| 20:45.48 | fungus | compare IPX to riding a bicycle, and IP to driving a car. |
| 20:46.17 | mindjuju | fungus, i'm just bitter because i tried to setup a game, but wasn't able to as win 7 doesn't support ipx |
| 20:46.37 | fungus | lol, now that sucks. |
| 21:04.26 | josephscott | mindjuju: http://www.solemnwarning.net/ipxwrapper/ ? |
| 21:05.10 | fungus | lol |
| 21:05.15 | mindjuju | oh wow! |
| 21:05.53 | josephscott | IPX over UDP |
| 21:46.59 | mindjuju | ninnypants: http://boingboing.net/2013/08/08/lavabit-email-service-snowden.html |
| 22:06.17 | mindjuju | wow, Omni Reboot? http://omnireboot.com/ as in omni magazine |
| 22:08.42 | TuxToaster | Skinner: lol @ ASL |
| 22:09.30 | TuxToaster | hhatfield: yeah the funny thing about the pasteurized milk is that it doesn't make much sense if you are totally deaf, since it's hard to tell that they sound similar |
| 22:09.35 | TuxToaster | (just catching up |
| 22:29.31 | xuu | mindjuju: You don't have to be a lonly traitor .. I'll be there at python too. |
| 22:32.38 | TuxToaster | speaking of Python, apparently reddit has a presence in SLC and is hiring |
| 22:32.42 | TuxToaster | just got an email. |
| 22:39.35 | tierra | yeah, reddit gifts iirc |
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