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| 15:49.20 | HumanCell | I'm thinking of spinning up a Google Glass user group meeting ... monthly ... anyone else interested? |
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| 16:04.12 | carmony | if I had a Glass, sure! :P |
| 16:07.06 | josephscott | HumanCell: I'm sure you could rope in Jesse Stay :-) |
| 16:07.30 | HumanCell | I've talked with him ... he's interested, but busy. :-) |
| 16:07.49 | HumanCell | I've got two other friends who have them ... looking for more people interested. |
| 16:11.44 | mindjuju | i've got glasses but i didn't get them from google |
| 16:11.51 | mindjuju | i think it was standard optical, does that count? |
| 16:12.42 | mindjuju | mine articulate into cool shapes too |
| 16:13.03 | carmony | lol mindjuju |
| 16:13.37 | mindjuju | sup bro |
| 16:13.42 | josephscott | $suggest glass |
| 16:13.42 | raifb886 | josephscott suggestions for 'glass' : glassdoor, glasses, glass, glass pipes, glass ceiling, glasses frames, glasses online, glass beach, glass nickel, glass steagall |
| 16:13.59 | mindjuju | carmony, did you get my email from friday? |
| 16:14.03 | josephscott | $suggest google |
| 16:14.04 | raifb886 | josephscott suggestions for 'google' : google, google maps, google translate, google earth, google docs, google images, google drive, google voice, google scholar, google play |
| 16:14.07 | carmony | yes I did, I need to reply |
| 16:14.31 | mindjuju | ~poke carmony in the eye |
| 16:14.31 | infobot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind carmony in the eye, pokes carmony in the eye repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 16:19.02 | carmony | ouch :P |
| 16:19.09 | carmony | mindjuju: did you try the al pastor texas bbq |
| 16:19.57 | mindjuju | yes |
| 16:20.14 | mindjuju | first run was good, but needs a little more work |
| 16:20.22 | mindjuju | i'm thinking about getting a food slicer |
| 16:20.46 | mindjuju | but it's there |
| 16:20.54 | mindjuju | it smells and cooks fantastic |
| 16:22.10 | mindjuju | i also though, need to work on a sauce that compliments the marinade and doesn't distract from the flavor of the meets |
| 16:22.21 | mindjuju | oops, meats |
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| 16:58.24 | carmony | mindjuju: well, I'm always up for being a test dummy. |
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| 17:31.55 | shanemhansen | wow. |
| 17:32.09 | shanemhansen | seen in resume for php related position: "I'm experiened developer wiht good knowledges of php and related |
| 17:32.09 | shanemhansen | web techhnologies." |
| 17:38.07 | fungus | lol, skip |
| 17:49.02 | shanemhansen | I don't need to hire an english major, but written communication skills... |
| 17:49.05 | shanemhansen | kind of matter. |
| 17:51.11 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 17:51.17 | shanemhansen | So, I'm not going to spam this channel entirely, but I can't help myself: http://stealnetwork.com/career.php?id=1 pm me if you have any interest or questions. |
| 17:51.19 | shanemhansen | </spam> |
| 17:52.57 | josephscott | shanemhansen: how did you end up at stealnetwork after space monkey? |
| 17:53.18 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: there was a story on NPR last week about a BBQ place that made me want to drive to Texas to try it out |
| 17:53.30 | mindjuju | yeah? |
| 17:54.12 | shanemhansen | damn I love bbq. There is a place in draper that's pretty good/low key. pitmaster. |
| 17:54.47 | TuxToaster | http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/07/23/204580081/PROPHETS-OF-SMOKED-MEAT |
| 17:55.18 | shanemhansen | josephscott: long story. |
| 17:55.32 | TuxToaster | around here, Goodwood is still my favorite |
| 17:55.53 | TuxToaster | though I haven't tried a ton of places mind you, but I've always liked their stuff |
| 17:56.00 | mindjuju | goodwood is good, but they dogged UTOS once, haven't returned |
| 17:56.13 | TuxToaster | ouch |
| 17:56.27 | shanemhansen | goodwood is pretty good. I love the pit boss burger. |
| 17:56.40 | shanemhansen | However goodwood is as to bbq as chilis is to southwestern. |
| 17:56.50 | shanemhansen | Kind of "chain restauranty" |
| 17:56.51 | mindjuju | goodwood was the site of the UTOSC 2011 speaker dinner, they dogged us with like 2 days to go |
| 17:57.11 | mindjuju | maybe it was 3 days |
| 17:57.36 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: also in Texas news, I got an email last night from Tucanos wanting me to refer peeps in Texas to them for their new restaurant. Only works if you know anyone actually IN TX at the time though. |
| 17:57.57 | TuxToaster | yeah that sucks, way to kill plans |
| 18:00.55 | mindjuju | i haven't heard of that place |
| 18:01.04 | mindjuju | but you notice the last para where they mention lockhart |
| 18:01.27 | mindjuju | i think it's Black's in Lockhart that has been winner for like ever |
| 18:01.32 | mindjuju | i think that's the name of it |
| 18:03.04 | mindjuju | you know though, there are many mighty fine bbq places in Texas, at a certain level though, I think saying one is better than another is hard. seems like it becomes a pallette choice |
| 18:03.37 | mindjuju | oops, too heavy on the l -- palette |
| 18:04.29 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 18:05.27 | mindjuju | what i am looking for is a good cajun eats place in Utah |
| 18:05.54 | mindjuju | supposedly there is a bar in provo that serves a mean shrimp etouffee |
| 18:16.46 | shanemhansen | heh. |
| 18:17.03 | shanemhansen | magic 8-ball. What about awesome greek food in SLC? |
| 18:18.05 | mindjuju | oh sure |
| 18:18.24 | mindjuju | Thursday go to Aristo's |
| 18:18.30 | mindjuju | it's over by UoU |
| 18:18.49 | mindjuju | quite a way from UC, but if you want GREAT greek food and a greek band playing |
| 18:18.52 | mindjuju | go thursday night |
| 18:19.24 | peno | +1 for Aristo's |
| 18:19.43 | mindjuju | here is URL - http://www.aristosrestaurant.com/ |
| 18:21.06 | shanemhansen | I used to be a huge fan of aristos. Then I had a bad experience. Maybe it's time to give them another chance. |
| 18:21.25 | shanemhansen | thanks mindjuju |
| 18:21.52 | mindjuju | :) |
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| 18:37.28 | shanemhansen | Random poll. Of those in uphpu, what framework, if any do most of you use? |
| 18:39.25 | SunSparc | CakePHP |
| 18:42.41 | shanemhansen | Is SunSparc in SLC or UC? |
| 18:43.40 | SunSparc | UC |
| 18:44.09 | shanemhansen | Long drive. |
| 18:44.13 | SunSparc | Yeah |
| 18:44.30 | shanemhansen | Yeah, I'm relatively new to serious PHP web dev. |
| 18:44.30 | SunSparc | romanovic: Have you found something else you enjoy? |
| 18:44.36 | shanemhansen | I'm working on a zend framework app. |
| 18:44.48 | shanemhansen | It seems sane, but a little too java'ish. |
| 18:45.04 | romanovic | CodeIgniter is pretty clean. But I want a framework with a proper Active Record model. Been using python/Django, haven't found anything comparable in PHP since |
| 18:45.16 | romanovic | ~django++ |
| 18:45.24 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:45.50 | SunSparc | Then again, for PHP stuff, I still use Cake, because I am so familiar with it and I can get things working quickly. |
| 18:46.08 | shanemhansen | Not the answer I expected. |
| 18:46.30 | shanemhansen | Not a huge active record fan. |
| 18:47.06 | shanemhansen | I prefer a slightly dumber orm in many cases. (I have to spend way too much time fighting orm generated queries) |
| 18:47.14 | shanemhansen | I usually like orms that let you have fine grained control over joining strategies |
| 18:47.45 | shanemhansen | and/or populating objects from queries (which PDO basically supports ootb) |
| 18:47.46 | shanemhansen | of course I'm stuck on an app that uses the mysql_ library so even pdo would be a big step up. |
| 18:47.56 | josephscott | I've been playing with http://www.phpactiverecord.org/ recently, mostly for very basic stuff |
| 18:48.41 | josephscott | which has been pretty good |
| 18:48.53 | josephscott | historically I'm not a fan of ORMs, so consider this high praise :-) |
| 18:49.30 | shanemhansen | I do have one requirement for an orm to be considered serious. |
| 18:49.34 | shanemhansen | They need an identity map. |
| 18:50.05 | shanemhansen | I.e. person->children[0]->person === person |
| 18:50.07 | SunSparc | shanemhansen: You could try Lithium, which is a group that broke off from Cake and completely rewrote everything from scratch. (http://lithify.me/) |
| 18:50.11 | shanemhansen | Lots of orms do this wrong. |
| 18:50.25 | shanemhansen | I did that wrong lol. |
| 18:50.33 | shanemhansen | person->children[0]->parent === person |
| 18:50.48 | shanemhansen | My sweet spot is somewhere between flask and django. |
| 18:51.18 | shanemhansen | Give me something configurable, but with a "standard" set of features. |
| 18:51.40 | SunSparc | http://lithify.me/docs/manual/quickstart |
| 18:52.26 | josephscott | I haven't looked to see if phpactiverecord does identity mapping |
| 18:52.42 | shanemhansen | sqlalchemy does. |
| 18:53.00 | shanemhansen | and hibernate does. (for a java library it's pretty sane) |
| 18:53.09 | josephscott | I've usually avoided the "general" frameworks, in favor of a few light weight libs |
| 18:53.28 | shanemhansen | Honestly most developers seem to be in favor of the few lightweight libs approach. |
| 18:53.31 | shanemhansen | I'm unusual. |
| 18:54.13 | SunSparc | I like reinventing the wheel only when I need to. |
| 18:54.54 | josephscott | my preference is wheels is just different from project to project :-) |
| 18:54.58 | shanemhansen | So (and this is my flask experience talking) I struggle with the lightweight libs approach because I feel like I'm treading new ground for very basic things. |
| 18:55.20 | shanemhansen | Like how does your database choice interact with your sessions choice interact with your caching choice. |
| 18:55.31 | shanemhansen | I guess some people like complete freedom there. |
| 18:55.41 | shanemhansen | I'm happier with having those kind of things basically built in. |
| 18:56.05 | SunSparc | So, shanemhansen, have you tried Cake or Lithium yet? |
| 18:56.16 | shanemhansen | I tried cake years ago. |
| 18:56.20 | shanemhansen | Not lithium. |
| 18:56.26 | josephscott | ah, I avoid shared state :-) |
| 18:56.58 | TuxToaster | I like cake |
| 18:57.04 | TuxToaster | mostly german chocolate |
| 18:57.10 | josephscott | TMBG has a song about that |
| 18:57.11 | SunSparc | Mmmm... yummy |
| 18:57.32 | shanemhansen | yeah. |
| 18:57.38 | shanemhansen | It's totally lunch time. brb. |
| 19:01.35 | mindjuju | hey mgeary, did you ever play portal? |
| 19:01.36 | mindjuju | oh he's not here |
| 19:01.36 | mindjuju | oh well, http://www.instructables.com/id/Catpanion-Cube/ |
| 19:01.36 | SunSparc | mindjuju: That is awesome! |
| 19:01.46 | mindjuju | the best part about the catpanion cube is we all know what happened to the cube at the end of portal ;) |
| 19:01.59 | mindjuju | just kiddin' |
| 19:02.32 | SunSparc | lol |
| 19:06.18 | TuxToaster | that's hilarious |
| 19:06.43 | TuxToaster | my cat won't sleep in anything that's not my pillow or next to me on the bed though |
| 19:07.45 | SunSparc | Awwww... |
| 19:07.55 | SunSparc | Or your head. |
| 19:07.57 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:08.20 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 19:09.27 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: Has your kid been doing any minecrafting recently? |
| 19:09.56 | TuxToaster | yup, we both have a bit |
| 19:10.06 | TuxToaster | he has a bad habit of losing his house though |
| 19:10.31 | SunSparc | haha, that is just one of those things that comes with experience. |
| 19:10.46 | SunSparc | Though, it is easy to do. |
| 19:11.01 | SunSparc | Easy to get lost, I mean. |
| 19:11.14 | SunSparc | The world is a big place. :) |
| 19:11.16 | TuxToaster | yeah, he was looking for hours |
| 19:11.31 | TuxToaster | I hopped in and switched to creative and flew around a bit |
| 19:11.37 | TuxToaster | couldn't find it |
| 19:12.01 | TuxToaster | so I went into the server logs and found the coordinates that he had logged in to that morning, and teleported him |
| 19:12.02 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:12.03 | SunSparc | Teach him to make cairns. |
| 19:12.16 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: That is awesome. |
| 19:12.22 | TuxToaster | he had built a tower with a jackolantern on the top |
| 19:12.32 | SunSparc | There are some fun server map tools. |
| 19:12.39 | SunSparc | Yep, that works. |
| 19:12.42 | TuxToaster | but it wasn't tall enough to see, so we made it taller and I put several lanterns in it |
| 19:12.57 | SunSparc | Good learning experience for him. |
| 19:12.58 | TuxToaster | then I found a nearby mountain and started building a house inside of it |
| 19:13.16 | TuxToaster | so there are a few rooms with waterfalls in them. :P |
| 19:13.21 | SunSparc | Nice. Is this in the same world that my brother and I play on? |
| 19:13.34 | TuxToaster | nope, same server, but different world on it |
| 19:13.45 | SunSparc | Oh, ok. Cool. |
| 19:13.57 | TuxToaster | didn't want him to mess up anything you guys were doing |
| 19:14.14 | SunSparc | I finally decided my oldest was ready to join our world. So he has been on a couple times. |
| 19:14.20 | TuxToaster | though I should hop in yours sometime and see if I can find your tower |
| 19:14.41 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: Have you seen it yet? |
| 19:14.51 | TuxToaster | not for a while |
| 19:15.14 | SunSparc | Someday I may declare it "finished" but it is so massive and I keep doing stuff with it. It is fun. |
| 19:15.33 | TuxToaster | I was up there once and got attacked by a random skeleton |
| 19:16.04 | SunSparc | lol, if I had an experience point for every time I fell to my death in that tower... |
| 19:16.10 | TuxToaster | LOL |
| 19:16.22 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:16.41 | TuxToaster | actually, when Xander built his tower we were both set to creative and so we were flying up and down it |
| 19:16.48 | TuxToaster | looked like a superman duel |
| 19:17.00 | SunSparc | Nice. Creative mode can be really fun. |
| 19:17.44 | TuxToaster | yeah it's helpful sometimes |
| 19:18.02 | TuxToaster | it's cool that you can have different players in the same world on different modes |
| 19:18.16 | SunSparc | Agreed. |
| 19:18.28 | SunSparc | And to be able to switch whenever you want. |
| 19:20.29 | SunSparc | Recently we have been enhancing our Grand Central subway station. |
| 19:24.58 | SunSparc | The newest release has horses. :) |
| 19:25.15 | TuxToaster | oh cool |
| 19:25.37 | SunSparc | Yeah, makes exploring a bit faster. |
| 19:25.52 | TuxToaster | I saw that it was at 1.6.2 I think it was. Last I checked a few days ago though the craftbukkit hadn't released a beta yet |
| 19:26.08 | SunSparc | Yeah, it is still fairly new. |