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| 15:28.15 | ninnypants | "I don’t want to over-dramatize the issue, but in my mind, a single child at risk justifies great urgency even if it’s only one a year," |
| 15:28.16 | ninnypants | http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/56544384-90/administrative-ashdown-attorney-barlow.html.csp |
| 15:32.28 | josephscott | my state senator is the president of the utah senate, I've been bugging him for a few years that I think this law is bad |
| 15:36.41 | unum | I don't understand the state's position at all on this one |
| 15:36.49 | unum | why can't they get a warrant |
| 15:38.06 | eggyknap | The "if it saves just one child" defense is about as awful as the "I was just following orders" defense. |
| 15:39.04 | eggyknap | We could also summarily execute (or just exile, behind a "border fence" for instance) all creepy looking adults, and it would probably save some kids, too. |
| 15:39.18 | josephscott | unum: the justification I was told by people who voted for it is "this makes it possible response faster, by not having to wait for a judge to sign a warrant" |
| 15:40.10 | eggyknap | "I'm grateful for the law that means I can pull the trigger when someone strange steps on my property. It speeds things up -- it's lots better than when I had to wait for them to show a threat." |
| 15:40.54 | josephscott | I obtained a copy of the report of usage of these subpoenas in Utah, the report is super lame/useless, because that is all the law requires |
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| 15:43.23 | josephscott | when I asked a state senator about checks on abuse of these powers they said they haven't done any because no one has come forward to complain about it |
| 15:46.12 | josephscott | all I can say is good on Pete for sticking with this, it isn't easy or cheap for him to do so |
| 15:48.43 | ninnypants | josephscott: yeah he's a good guy |
| 15:49.10 | ninnypants | josephscott: and yeah the fact that there is no real reporting or tracking of the actual success worries me |
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| 15:49.38 | josephscott | the state legislature basically gave them a blank check with the law |
| 15:50.05 | josephscott | even those reps who support the law have come to recognize that when I started showing them the useless report that I got |
| 15:53.52 | Skinner | I got an email over the weekend from a friend. This is what it said: I have a buddy that has a project he needs help on. It's basically a copy of the website {example.com}. I bet it'll only take 2 months of after hours work to build it. They can't pay you for it, but they are willing to give a percentage of company ownership to you. Interested? |
| 15:57.10 | josephscott | haha |
| 15:58.16 | Skinner | I've had this request many times before from other people. Is it ever worth it? I always feel like they are saying: "You do all the work, and if you make it good enough that it makes money, we'll give you a small cut of it. So make it good." |
| 15:58.26 | Skinner | I even had someone almost literally say that as his sales pitch |
| 15:58.29 | Skinner | even: |
| 15:58.47 | Skinner | "It'll be the incentive for you to make it look and work good. That way you get paid." |
| 15:58.55 | Skinner | I said "No thanks." |
| 16:01.10 | josephscott | should counter offer with: how about you come build me a new 4,000 square foot house on 1 acre, fully landscaped, for free, to be completed in the next 60 days |
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| 17:30.18 | ninnypants | this seems like a perfect case for website over app http://provomayor.com/2013/07/08/downtown-provo-app/ |
| 17:38.40 | SunSparc | ninnypants: meaning that you think they should have made a web app instead of a mobile app? |
| 17:38.55 | ninnypants | SunSparc: yep |
| 17:39.31 | ninnypants | oh and the IRS apparently published a bunch of SSNs http://gizmodo.com/the-irs-just-accidentally-published-thousands-of-ssns-704798055 |
| 17:39.57 | SunSparc | I guess it depends on whether people would be more likely to use the app while out and about than at home. |
| 17:40.24 | ninnypants | SunSparc: do you search the web or the app store when looking for places to eat? |
| 17:41.03 | ninnypants | SunSparc: also the fact that they have a phone that can run the app probably means they have a data connection and could load the site while out and about |
| 17:41.22 | SunSparc | ninnypants: Well, sometimes I use Yelp. |
| 17:42.17 | SunSparc | But I also use Google, both on my laptop and on my phone, depending on which is more handy. |
| 17:42.18 | ninnypants | but if you were in downtown provo and wanted somewhere to eat would you download an app or just search the web? |
| 17:42.35 | SunSparc | ninnypants: Just search the web. :) |
| 17:42.48 | SunSparc | Yeah, I see what you mean. |
| 17:43.01 | SunSparc | A city specific food app seems overkill. |
| 17:43.06 | ninnypants | see and that's my point the only reason I reason I know about the app is I happen to follow provo city on twitter |
| 17:43.35 | ninnypants | but I would never download the app to find places to eat but I would use a website |
| 17:43.48 | ninnypants | SunSparc: yeah provo is doing some weird things lately |
| 17:44.15 | SunSparc | Yeah |
| 17:45.07 | SunSparc | Yelp is pretty handy, but it is also not limited to just one city. |
| 17:45.53 | SunSparc | Where is mindjuju these days. Seems to have fallen off the face of the Earth. |
| 17:46.35 | romanovic | ~seen mindjuju |
| 17:46.43 | infobot | mindjuju <~mindjuju@173-10-26-193-BusName-utah.ut.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 38d 21h 14m 51s ago, saying: 'he was at OpenWest , desktop, i think C'. |
| 17:47.31 | SunSparc | He has had so many differen mj-* nicks recently. Not sure which was the last. |
| 17:47.39 | SunSparc | Not even responding to emails or texts. |
| 17:48.05 | ninnypants | SunSparc: I just type mj then complete but he doesn't seem to be online right now |
| 17:48.16 | SunSparc | Nope |
| 17:48.27 | DexterTheDragon | ~seen mj-floats |
| 17:48.28 | infobot | mj-floats <ad0a1ac1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.10.26.193> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 5d 16h 15m 27s ago, saying: 'scaring the crap out of other countries, too much power methinks'. |
| 17:48.28 | ninnypants | but he's probably recovering from his major bbq on the 4th |
| 17:48.47 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:52.18 | romanovic | $8ball did mindjuju have a fireworks accident over the holiday? |
| 17:52.19 | raifbot | romanovic - My sources say no. |
| 17:56.20 | fungus | $8ball did mindjuju get a new job where they block IRC? |
| 17:56.21 | raifbot | fungus - Most likely. |
| 18:01.07 | josephscott | $8ball are ssh tunnels your friend? |
| 18:01.07 | raifbot | josephscott - My reply is no. |
| 18:01.13 | josephscott | $8ball are you wrong? |
| 18:01.14 | raifbot | josephscott - It is decidedly so. |
| 18:01.21 | josephscott | yeah, I thought so |
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| 20:02.51 | TuxToaster | anybody know a local plumber that would love to move a shower drain ~8 inches, rough in supply lines and *not* charge me an arm, leg and firstborn? |
| 20:03.45 | TuxToaster | got quoted $2k to do it, $700 of that was just for moving the drain and $900 was for the supply lines |
| 20:04.54 | mgeary | TuxToaster: "local"? |
| 20:04.59 | mgeary | SLC? UC? |
| 20:05.19 | TuxToaster | West Jordan specfically, so SLC area |
| 20:06.02 | mgeary | ah, i don't think my plumber goes that far. However, you're welcome to try him. I'll PM you details |
| 20:07.02 | TuxToaster | thanks. worth a try |
| 20:16.24 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 20:16.24 | raifbot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to macnewbold, and goes postal. |
| 20:16.45 | TuxToaster | good choice. Didn't backfire, for once. |
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| 20:36.30 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: Is the drain in concrete or wood flooring? |
| 20:36.40 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: concrete |
| 20:37.00 | TuxToaster | but only needs to move 8 inches. |
| 20:37.48 | SunSparc | :) Only concrete. |
| 20:38.10 | TuxToaster | I've never done much with concrete but I know it basically just needs a square foot or so cut out with a wet saw and the pipe extended |
| 20:38.12 | SunSparc | There is a lot involved in a move like that. |
| 20:38.31 | TuxToaster | a bit yes, particularly the p trap |
| 20:38.42 | jsmith | Yeah, it's not exactly the easiest job in the world |
| 20:38.59 | TuxToaster | agreed, which is why I don't want to do it |
| 20:39.49 | SunSparc | I suggest selling the home and building a new one. ;) |
| 20:39.59 | TuxToaster | but.. to me $700 was a bit much, I was figuring $400 was reasonable |
| 20:40.28 | SunSparc | I do not have a good reference for pricing, so I am not sure what would be a good deal for the process. |
| 20:40.37 | TuxToaster | though I've seen a couple of mentions of it online where people have paid less than that for moving it across the room even. |
| 20:40.57 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: ha! "why are you selling?" "shower drain is not centered. it bugs me." |
| 20:41.07 | SunSparc | lol |
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| 20:44.08 | TuxToaster | but yeah, I just hope to find someone that's a bit more reasonable. I wouldn't even have minded the $700 for the move if the other not-so-difficult stuff wasn't another $1300 on top of it... |
| 20:45.26 | TuxToaster | I mean I can go get a PEX crimping kit for ~$100 and spend another $100 on the high end for tubing and materials and run the lines myself (they're right over the doorway of the bathroom) |
| 20:46.04 | TuxToaster | I just figured if I was going to hire someone to come in I may as well have them hook them up so it's all proper, but $900 for that? wow. |
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