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| 15:12.20 | carmony | Good morning |
| 15:14.05 | josephscott | maybe, not sure yet |
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| 15:41.59 | mj-floaties | ~seen sunsparc |
| 15:42.05 | infobot | sunsparc <~jonathan@69-27-175-74.acedatacenter.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 2d 20h 59m 53s ago, saying: 'A cow stepped on ibot and smooshed out the name.'. |
| 15:45.44 | ninnypants | I wonder if Provo people actually get into guessing the "Something big is comming ..." stuff the city puts out |
| 15:47.46 | tierra | are they doing something else (besides the last Google Fiber announcement) now? |
| 15:49.11 | TuxToaster | not sure that is accurate, could swear SunSparc was in here yesterday |
| 15:49.32 | TuxToaster | maybe not tho |
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| 15:54.13 | Skinner | ~skinner Provo's mysterious eventual 'something' |
| 15:54.13 | infobot | ACTION buries Provo's mysterious eventual 'something' in a giant waterfall... WHOOOOSH! |
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| 15:56.52 | ninnypants | tierra: maybe just an announcement for a giveaway https://twitter.com/provocity/status/350268181325160448 |
| 15:58.39 | ninnypants | it also appears that on their blog they didn't think people would have names longer than 9 characters |
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| 16:01.37 | tierra | hehe |
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| 16:08.01 | ninnypants | $rlart |
| 16:08.01 | raifbot | pries TuxToaster's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to TuxToaster. |
| 16:08.31 | TuxToaster | $8ball are you picking on me now? |
| 16:08.31 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Without a doubt. |
| 16:08.36 | TuxToaster | http://i.imgur.com/jXtAkIf.jpg |
| 16:09.12 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: interesting |
| 16:10.41 | ninnypants | not really worth $100 a year right now though |
| 16:18.35 | TuxToaster | particularly if you want to use your camera and voicemail, as both of those cause the phone to crash |
| 16:19.08 | TuxToaster | not every time but in my experience they're pretty buggy atm |
| 16:20.06 | mj-floaties | ~buggy TuxToaster |
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| 16:21.19 | mj-floaties | here ya go ninnypants http://cironline.org/reports/license-plate-readers-let-police-collect-millions-records-drivers-4883 |
| 16:21.22 | mj-floaties | love it! |
| 16:21.59 | ninnypants | mj-floaties: rfid or cameras? |
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| 16:24.08 | mj-floaties | camera with OCR |
| 16:26.45 | ninnypants | mj-floaties: seems like it would be easily defeated with a slightly opaic license plate protector |
| 16:28.38 | DexterTheDragon | which are illegal |
| 16:29.32 | mj-floaties | i think the legality of that is questionable at best, |
| 16:29.44 | mj-floaties | yup, sorry got a phone call but DtD is right |
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| 16:30.30 | mj-floaties | so the red light cameras, if you look you'll see obfuscating your license plate to b0rk the cameras, policies are already in place against that stuff |
| 16:30.35 | mj-floaties | and half of it doesn't work |
| 16:31.06 | mj-floaties | though i have heard there is some kind of liquid spray with reflective particles that was proven to be effective |
| 16:31.08 | ninnypants | I see the opaic covers quite a bit |
| 16:31.31 | mj-floaties | course, you could always just wear a wolf mask |
| 16:32.20 | ninnypants | mj-floaties: not sure a mask would do any good since you have to regiter your car |
| 16:32.51 | mj-floaties | actually, it does GREAT good :) |
| 16:32.52 | mj-floaties | http://autos.aol.com/article/monkey-man-speeding-camera/ |
| 16:32.57 | mj-floaties | you can argue that wasn't you |
| 16:33.21 | mj-floaties | the one i read about was a guy in a wolf mask, this one is a guy in a monkey mask |
| 16:33.49 | mj-floaties | see, the one i saw was in the north east somewhere like a new jersey or new york |
| 16:34.14 | mj-floaties | and the tickets didn't stick, though finally wolf man got pulled over for passing a red light with his mask on |
| 16:35.15 | mj-floaties | funny, huh? |
| 16:36.24 | ninnypants | mj-floaties: that's awesome |
| 16:36.49 | mj-floaties | AFAIK, utah doesn't have these cameras |
| 16:38.10 | mj-floaties | him, i think i'd rather http://www.costumecraze.com/BK01.html |
| 16:38.45 | ninnypants | no paper trail that way |
| 16:38.54 | mj-floaties | any how, i'm more settled on this - http://cvdazzle.com/ |
| 16:39.31 | ninnypants | interesting I didn't realize Guy Fawkes was burned in effigy every year |
| 16:39.41 | mj-floaties | cause truthfully, it's nobody's business where i go |
| 16:39.55 | mj-floaties | ninnypants: have link on guy fawkes effigy? |
| 16:40.05 | mj-floaties | or are you talking about that celebration in england |
| 16:40.21 | ninnypants | celebration in england https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes |
| 16:40.30 | ninnypants | last line of the intro |
| 16:40.41 | mj-floaties | oh yeah, i just learned that from watching the bbc on guy fawkes |
| 16:42.48 | ninnypants | I may have to look that up |
| 16:43.07 | ninnypants | all I really know the name/mask from is V for Vendetta |
| 16:48.33 | DexterTheDragon | mj-floaties: did you watch http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/manhunt-boston-bombers.html ? |
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| 16:49.31 | ninnypants | so I'm not sure I understand http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/06/27/cia_leaks_leaked_agency_memo_tells_agents_to_stop_leaking_information_to.html it says the memo is marked unclassified which means it's not really a big deal that it came out right? |
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| 16:51.46 | DexterTheDragon | ninnypants: UNCLASSIFIED/FOUO is still considered confidential and not for public release. So it's not as big as something Top Secret but yeah |
| 16:52.17 | ninnypants | I'm also not 100% sure it's news |
| 17:01.20 | mj-floaties | that's funny |
| 17:01.58 | mj-floaties | DtD, i did see it |
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| 17:02.48 | DexterTheDragon | mj-floaties: the surveillance system they have setup in New York is terrifying |
| 17:03.02 | ninnypants | mj-floaties, DexterTheDragon: have you guys read anything about the NSA email stuff yet? |
| 17:03.38 | mj-floaties | DtD, I found out something about the NY surveillance system that has relaxed my concern a little |
| 17:03.47 | mj-floaties | it's built by Microsoft ;) |
| 17:04.28 | mj-floaties | this is first news article that came up on the search - http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/02/21/nypd-and-microsoft-build-high-tech-crime-fighting-dashboard/ |
| 17:04.30 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 17:06.44 | ninnypants | did you guys see that for George Orwell's birthday someone went around and put party hats on a bunch of the CCTV camera's around london? |
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| 17:11.10 | mj-floaties | that's awesome ninnypants :) |
| 17:11.18 | mj-floaties | i've got BIG BIG important news for today |
| 17:11.26 | mj-floaties | Weird Al is doing AMA on Reddit at 5p |
| 17:11.44 | mj-floaties | I prolly should have mad e that a PSA |
| 17:18.46 | josephscott | now that would be an AMA I might actually read :-) |
| 17:36.28 | stderr- | ninnypants: Guy Fawkes becoming a poster boy for anarchists and anti-establishment types is like Lindsay Lohan being touted as a role model in Sunday school. |
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| 17:38.49 | josephscott | wow http://devour.com/video/thunderstruck-bagpipe-cover/ |
| 17:40.09 | stderr- | The Gunpowder Plot had nothing to do with freedom from tyranny or any other such nonsense. The whole point was to assassinate King James because he was a Protestant, so they (Guy Fawkes and his fellow radical fundamentalists) could put his 9-year-old daughter at the head of the monarchy, raising her as a Catholic and marrying her to a Catholic. They were Catholic terrorists, essentially. |
| 17:44.46 | carmony | josephscott: that is an awesome video |
| 17:45.03 | josephscott | the flame throwers put it over the top :-) |
| 17:47.59 | ninnypants | stderr-: interesting. Though I think most of the poster boy for anarchists comes from V for Vendetta and whatever story it told around the whole thing |
| 17:48.12 | DexterTheDragon | stderr-: I doubt any of the anti-establishment types even know of the name Guy Fawkes. They only know the mask from V for Vendetta. And I would say solely from the movie. The comic book portrays V as being part terrorist, whereas the movie boiled him down to just a freedom fighter |
| 17:52.40 | stderr- | DexterTheDragon: yea, I've read the comic books. And I get where their inspiration comes from. Doesn't make it any less amusing though. |
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| 18:00.28 | mgeary | stderr-: well, well. Look who the cat dragged out of hiding |
| 18:31.02 | stderr- | Who?! |
| 18:31.40 | stderr- | I've been busy man, with the startup, wife is pregnant again, kids. |
| 18:33.16 | unum | there he is |
| 18:36.04 | stderr- | my free time is basically divided between mastering Objective C and running (although I'm taking up cycling as an alternative to running now) |
| 18:36.40 | stderr- | unum: what's up? |
| 18:40.24 | unum | nothing just saw your posts on the mailing list and realized I hadn't seen you in here in a while |
| 18:42.18 | stderr- | Ah, haha. Good ole PLUG. |
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| 19:06.06 | mj-floaties | it bugs me so much when a person takes a concept long in the public domain (and most of the time famous) and modifies it slightly and then slaps a TM on it as their own |
| 19:06.21 | mj-floaties | i've seen it no less than 5x this week alone |
| 19:06.37 | mj-floaties | on FB that is |
| 19:07.55 | DexterTheDragon | mj-floaties: I think you need to use the block button on facebook more |
| 19:08.13 | mj-floaties | yeah i prolly should |
| 19:09.52 | mj-floaties | i mean, come on -- really? are we that ego-centric that we'd rather quote our selves than freakin' Plato ? |
| 19:11.42 | unum | http://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/the-misplaced-obsession-with-simplicity/240157265 |
| 19:12.05 | unum | I guess I don't have enough exposure to other programmers to have ran into the simplicity argument |
| 19:12.21 | unum | I run into the premature optimization argument constantly |
| 19:13.54 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
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| 19:21.46 | unum | mult work on database redesign..... |
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| 19:22.45 | mj-floaties | sh SunSparc , i 've been wanting to talk to you |
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| 19:30.54 | SunSparc | mj-floaties: Whatever it is, I didn't do it. |
| 19:34.29 | stderr- | Liberal or conservative, I think we can all agree guys like this are a stain on America: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBRXfPaoUXQ |
| 19:38.14 | Heartsbane | herlo: ping |
| 19:43.23 | unum | it's really hard to argue with Rep. Duckworth |
| 19:44.15 | unum | I mean like Sean Hannity type "argue" |
| 19:44.19 | unum | what name do you call her |
| 19:44.37 | unum | what possible ad homin attack can you make |
| 19:44.50 | unum | and not come off as a giant jerk |
| 19:45.11 | herlo | Heartsbane: pong |
| 19:46.37 | stderr- | unum: well it's _really_ hard to argue with her when you've taken advantage of the system so that your company can be preferred for government contracts, at the expense of real veterans. |
| 19:49.31 | Heartsbane | herlo: selinux question, and I figured out just now |
| 19:49.36 | Heartsbane | Sorry man |
| 19:50.49 | Heartsbane | herlo: Remember Step 3, Please do not do Step 4 or Step 5 unless you have done step 3... Do you remember step 3 |
| 19:50.52 | Heartsbane | ??? |
| 19:51.16 | herlo | lol, what is step 1 and 2? |
| 19:51.31 | jsmith | herlo: restorecon and restorecon, obviously :-p |
| 19:51.49 | herlo | jsmith: it could be semanage fcontext -l | grep httpd |
| 19:51.56 | herlo | :) |
| 19:51.58 | jsmith | herlo: Or I guess step one could be "ls -Z /path/to/file" |
| 19:52.12 | herlo | jsmith: or ps -eZ | grep <processname> |
| 19:53.28 | Heartsbane | Step 3 is give SELinux the finger.. steps 4 is restorecon :P |
| 19:53.51 | herlo | Heartsbane: so in all seriousness, how can I help you? |
| 19:54.21 | herlo | jsmith: we forgot the first step though, actually, sed -i 's/enabled/disabled/' /etc/sysconfig/selinux && reboot; |
| 19:54.27 | Heartsbane | herlo: I figured it out, sorry man I owe you a beer for the interuption |
| 19:54.44 | herlo | Heartsbane: ahh, cool. We can hack portals and drink beer sometime soon then :) |
| 19:55.11 | fungus | setenforce 0 |
| 19:55.14 | fungus | ;) |
| 19:55.42 | herlo | fungus: that's not permanent though :) |
| 19:55.48 | fungus | heh, true |
| 19:56.24 | Heartsbane | The process works like this: |
| 19:56.25 | herlo | everyone should use selinux in enforcing mode |
| 19:56.30 | Heartsbane | 1) Disable SELinux |
| 19:56.30 | Heartsbane | 2)Test Service, If it works then ... |
| 19:56.30 | Heartsbane | 3) give SELinux the finger!!!! |
| 19:56.30 | Heartsbane | 4) then set the correct bolean once you find it. |
| 19:56.30 | Heartsbane | 5) Then turn on SELinux. |
| 19:57.20 | peno | herlo: PORTALS AND BEERRRRR |
| 19:57.25 | Heartsbane | Also remember to setsebool -P or it do the same thing again after you reboot from patching |
| 19:57.33 | peno | also, selinux is the devil |
| 19:57.34 | herlo | peno: !!! w00t !!! |
| 19:57.39 | jsmith | Friends don't let friends run with SELinux disabled -- just like friends don't let friends drive without seatbelts or headlights |
| 19:57.57 | Heartsbane | ~peno++ |
| 19:58.03 | herlo | jsmith: you should really have a talk with ke4qqq then :) |
| 19:58.10 | fungus | SELinux is for wusses like those that use seatbelts. |
| 19:58.13 | herlo | he drives without seatbelts all the time |
| 19:58.20 | herlo | fungus: +1 |
| 19:58.28 | jsmith | herlo: ke4qqq knows better than to listen to me any longer :-p |
| 19:58.41 | herlo | jsmith: as do I :) |
| 19:58.48 | herlo | but I still do, for some reason |
| 20:00.28 | Heartsbane | I usually listen to you both, then I take a aspirin |
| 20:03.01 | herlo | only an aspirin, that's pretty good |
| 20:08.27 | Heartsbane | Ya well I drink a lot too |
| 20:09.09 | herlo | me three |
| 20:09.16 | herlo | though not as much as you |
| 20:11.57 | Heartsbane | prove it |
| 20:16.13 | herlo | Heartsbane: I think you need to prove it |
| 20:16.27 | herlo | we can have a drink off |
| 20:16.32 | herlo | Heartsbane: at the next poker night |
| 20:20.11 | herlo | Heartsbane: I'll stop before you stop |
| 20:36.45 | shalkie | I haven't been drunk in such a lllooooonnnnngggggg time! |
| 20:39.19 | herlo | shalkie: come to the poker game |
| 20:39.25 | herlo | oh, wait, you aren't on facebook... |
| 20:45.08 | ninnypants | are there limitations to line length in email? |
| 20:50.37 | shalkie | ninnypants: Historically around the 73rd character, +/- a few for faulty memory of mine. I don't believe there is a current limit. |
| 20:50.47 | shalkie | At least based on some of the emails I have gotten lately. |
| 20:50.59 | ninnypants | It appears that the answer is yes line breaks will be added after a certain character length |
| 20:51.26 | ninnypants | shalkie: I think that's just a client thing, but I'm having emails break words in html emails in half for no reason |
| 20:51.47 | ninnypants | and it seems to be caused by line length |
| 20:56.23 | shalkie | rfc2821 says 1000 characters, though with the possibilities of longer lines through esmtp. |
| 20:56.28 | shalkie | http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2821.txt |
| 20:56.43 | shalkie | I though they dropped that. |
| 21:00.15 | ninnypants | shalkie: it seems to be on the sender end tested the issue sending through campaign monitor instead of icontact and it worked fine even with the long line length |
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| 21:14.30 | mj-floaties | interesting, SCO is back - http://siliconslopes.com/beta/?p=759 |
| 21:14.39 | mj-floaties | well, the lawyer arm of it is |
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| 21:58.25 | ninnypants | never actually heard of sco |
| 21:59.27 | unum | I guess it's been about 5 years since that all happened |
| 22:00.19 | jsmith | unum: More than that -- closer to seven, I think |
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| 22:14.44 | unum | actually it's only been three years since it was settles |
| 22:14.50 | unum | though 7 since most of us lost interest |
| 22:14.55 | unum | :) |
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| 22:39.17 | josephscott | ~feed me |
| 22:39.18 | infobot | ACTION offers josephscott some horseraddish |
| 22:39.29 | josephscott | hmmm, I was hoping for something nicer |
| 22:47.47 | mj-floaties | $8ball will news of HL3 come out this year? |
| 22:47.47 | raifbot | mj-floaties - Most likely. |
| 22:48.08 | mj-floaties | $8ball will it be a let down? |
| 22:48.08 | raifbot | mj-floaties - Signs point to yes. |
| 22:48.12 | mj-floaties | figures |
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| 23:52.20 | shalkie | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.54 | shalkie | mj-floaties: That is the SCO vs IBM thing? |
| 23:53.07 | mj-floaties | yup |
