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| 15:30.25 | stirlingw | Hi friends |
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| 15:50.26 | mj-lifeboat | ~seen beandog |
| 15:50.30 | ibot | beandog <~sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 31d 16h 50m 58s ago, saying: 'heh'. |
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| 16:02.59 | ninnypants | ~lart stirlingw |
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| 16:05.45 | mj-lifeboat | ~seen utahdave |
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| 16:05.58 | mj-lifeboat | ~seen utah_dave |
| 16:05.59 | ibot | utah_dave <~boucha@63.230.12.160> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 247d 23h 15m 10s ago, saying: 'ouch. metrically, too'. |
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| 16:15.58 | herlo | ~seen UtahDave |
| 16:16.00 | ibot | utahdave <~boucha@63.230.12.160> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 2d 23h 50m 36s ago, saying: 'good!'. |
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| 16:18.51 | hhatfield | $lart PRISM |
| 16:19.01 | ninnypants | mj-lifeboat: thoughts on the new NSA news? |
| 16:19.03 | hhatfield | ~lart PRISM |
| 16:19.03 | ibot | turns PRISM into a lifesized tux doll |
| 16:19.32 | ninnypants | hhatfield: it's almost like we planned that |
| 16:19.48 | hhatfield | ninnypants: I saw your communication before you typed it |
| 16:20.21 | mj-lifeboat | ninnypants: NSA news? about them sucking up Verizon records? |
| 16:20.43 | hhatfield | there's a reason I don't say much online |
| 16:20.50 | mj-lifeboat | or was that the FBI, i forget |
| 16:20.53 | ninnypants | and sucking data from internet co.s like M$ and Google |
| 16:21.07 | mj-lifeboat | hhatfield: think that'll make a difference? |
| 16:21.10 | ninnypants | both were NSA I think |
| 16:21.36 | mj-lifeboat | they are copying all traffic |
| 16:22.45 | mj-lifeboat | into DBs specially built to manage unknown sums of data and correlate thousands of data points |
| 16:23.04 | mj-lifeboat | this battle was lost a while ago, we're just barely learning about it |
| 16:24.13 | herlo | tls and ssh ftw! |
| 16:24.27 | herlo | AES 3DES, too |
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| 16:26.19 | mechamjoseph | good morning |
| 16:26.44 | mj-lifeboat | maybe i'm too pessimistic when it comes to civil liberties |
| 16:27.01 | mechamjoseph | using $_SESSION, what do you guys do to verify someone is "signed in"? |
| 16:27.39 | mechamjoseph | i've just been checking to make sure $_SESSION['username'] is set, and then i've used that as my check, but I realize that's incredibly easy to spoof |
| 16:28.36 | herlo | mj-lifeboat: stunnel, tor? |
| 16:31.03 | mj-lifeboat | ibot, herlo is also an optimist |
| 16:31.03 | ibot | ACTION pokes is with a sharp needle also an optimist |
| 16:31.22 | mj-lifeboat | mechamjoseph: is this for private study or is this for a fully functional site? |
| 16:31.30 | herlo | mj-lifeboat: tunnelling secure connections between point a and point b |
| 16:32.02 | herlo | s/tunnelling secure/securely tunnelling insecure/ |
| 16:33.22 | mj-lifeboat | herlo, did you know ARM made a new CPU with DRM baked in? |
| 16:34.08 | mj-lifeboat | i know DRM != security |
| 16:34.22 | mechamjoseph | mj-lifeboat it's for an external facing blog |
| 16:34.27 | mj-lifeboat | but i mean, if the MPAA is can make chip makers make and do things, then how much more governments? |
| 16:34.48 | mgeary | mechamjoseph: it's not easy to inject something into the $_SESSION. The user would have to be able to know/copy a cookie value that is designed to be unique |
| 16:35.12 | mgeary | mechamjoseph: however, it's more practical, IMO to store the user ID rather than the user name in the session. But yes, that is the usual approach |
| 16:35.15 | mechamjoseph | oh ok. once i had someone call me out on that method, so i assumed it was wrong. |
| 16:35.31 | herlo | mj-lifeboat: not sure I understand |
| 16:35.46 | mgeary | mechamjoseph: you either didn't understand what exactly they were calling out, or they themselves didn't understand something |
| 16:35.48 | herlo | ARM isn't a chip maker, ARM is a type of cpu |
| 16:36.10 | mechamjoseph | mgeary yeah they told me someone could spoof the session data and take over as "logged in" |
| 16:36.30 | mechamjoseph | so i wondered if i was supposed to check for a specific user and password each time a page loaded or something |
| 16:36.37 | mgeary | mechamjoseph: and that is true if they can get the cookie SESSID value |
| 16:36.47 | mj-lifeboat | so mechamjoseph , if this for a really real site, there are a lot of ways to compromise security. I'd recommend to start, to use an existing framework and study out their best practices |
| 16:36.53 | mgeary | which can be done through cross-site scripting |
| 16:37.16 | herlo | mj-lifeboat: which ARM chip maker did the DRM? Qualcomm? |
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| 16:38.06 | mechamjoseph | mj-lifeboat i appreciate the input. unfortunately we're well past the point of using an existing blog framework. but i think you're right, i should study existing safety standards |
| 16:39.30 | mj-lifeboat | herlo, i think it's ARM holdings - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture |
| 16:41.23 | mj-lifeboat | k, so it is ARM holdings from Britain |
| 16:42.15 | herlo | I see that |
| 16:42.23 | herlo | http://news.thomasnet.com/companystory/ARM-Announces-Availability-of-Mobile-Consumer-DRM-Software-Solutions-Based-on-ARM-TrustZone-Technology-476887 |
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| 16:42.58 | mj-lifeboat | no no, i mean it's ARM holdings that made the design |
| 16:43.08 | mj-lifeboat | yup, that's it |
| 16:44.16 | mj-lifeboat | and if i understand it, cisco and others have put in back doors for governments to be able to peep on their people |
| 16:44.29 | stirlingw | Is there anything like phpmyadmin but for mongo? |
| 16:44.56 | DexterTheDragon | how is that any different than the security extensions on x86 processors? |
| 16:46.04 | mj-lifeboat | its not and my point - how are we sure that the hardware isn't already compromsied |
| 16:51.36 | ninnypants | you have to run a computer like RMS where you even have to install the firmware I guess |
| 16:53.56 | ninnypants | mj-lifeboat: though knowing what's happening I doubt I'll ever get something like the xbox one |
| 16:54.05 | mj-lifeboat | so throwing another log on the fire, there is this - http://www.extremetech.com/computing/133773-rakshasa-the-hardware-backdoor-that-china-could-embed-in-every-computer |
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| 16:55.39 | DexterTheDragon | ninnypants: you don't want an always listening, always watching device in your living room? |
| 16:56.13 | ninnypants | DexterTheDragon: it's tempting but the price point is a little high |
| 16:56.47 | ninnypants | mj-lifeboat: http://www.theonion.com/video/cias-facebook-program-dramatically-cut-agencys-cos,19753/ |
| 16:58.43 | mj-lifeboat | :) |
| 17:01.23 | ninnypants | https://twitter.com/AP/status/343040484761022464 |
| 17:04.01 | mgeary | anyone here have any Apache servers running under Dual Stack Mode, supporting IPv4 and IPv6? |
| 17:06.29 | mj-lifeboat | so ninnypants, here is the question to consider: how do we balance the government's voracious need for data (and control) and fourth amendment liberties (balanced with "The Constitution is not a suicide pact") |
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| 17:09.19 | ninnypants | mj-lifeboat: I'll have to think about that but I'm sure there's a better way than spying on all citizens |
| 17:09.31 | mj-lifeboat | ninnypants: i was about to attribute that to John Adams, but looks like it was really Thomas Jefferson who was working on the thought |
| 17:09.56 | mj-lifeboat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Constitution_is_not_a_suicide_pact |
| 17:12.57 | ninnypants | I guess my initial reaction is that most of this doesn't seem to be about protecting citizens from dieing since there are much bigger threats to my life every day that doesn't have projects on this scale trying to "protect" me |
| 17:13.03 | ninnypants | mj-lifeboat: ^ |
| 17:14.07 | mj-lifeboat | or so it seems |
| 17:14.36 | mj-lifeboat | when i was a boy, i thought my parents rich with an endless supply of money, they could buy ANYTHING, a car a house, whatever |
| 17:14.49 | mj-lifeboat | it wasn't until i learned more about $$ that I concluded they were poor |
| 17:16.16 | tierra | mgeary: yeah, there's really not much to it besides telling apache to listen on the appropriate interfaces |
| 17:16.17 | ninnypants | mj-lifeboat: true but do we as citizens need Top Secret clearance to have "grown up" enough to know about threats that kill more US citizens than say car accidents? |
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| 17:17.31 | mj-lifeboat | i think there are many kinds of warfare, some involve the killing of people, others the economy or societal structure |
| 17:18.30 | mj-lifeboat | i guess what i'm saying is that while i HATE the infractions into the fourth amendment, i haven't fully decided if they are warranted in some part or no |
| 17:19.03 | ninnypants | mj-lifeboat: when they refer to Terrorists I always seem them as trying to give the idea that if they don't do what ever it is they're doing then US citizens will start being blown up or whatever else constantly |
| 17:19.08 | mj-lifeboat | these are big big questions, worthy of much though, consideration and an involved citizenery |
| 17:19.55 | ninnypants | agreed |
| 17:20.41 | ninnypants | but I hate that when something comes up they always say something along the lines of "hey we stopped a terrorist attack with this so shut up" |
| 17:21.29 | mj-lifeboat | agree |
| 17:21.40 | DexterTheDragon | mj-lifeboat: you should watch this episode http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/manhunt-boston-bombers.html |
| 17:21.40 | ninnypants | if that's true and that attack isn't a threat and is already over why can't we have more details than "we stopped an attack" I don't see any strategic advantage that terrorists could gain |
| 17:22.32 | ninnypants | from information about who the attack was by and what they were trying to attack |
| 17:22.35 | mj-lifeboat | boston under martial law, that was scary |
| 17:23.11 | mj-lifeboat | it happened so fast and so heavy handed, man i haven't even started computing that one |
| 17:24.11 | ninnypants | mj-lifeboat: yep Boston was very disturbing |
| 17:24.50 | ninnypants | also if these measures stop attacks and we're watching citizens why wasn't anything about those bombings caught |
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| 17:26.53 | utahcon | politics are to be discussed in #utah :D |
| 17:27.40 | mj-lifeboat | sup utahcon , sent PM to you |
| 17:28.10 | utahcon | mj-lifeboat: you did? |
| 17:28.35 | mj-lifeboat | ninnypants: Asymmetric warfare and the fourth amendment, a paper i need to write. Maybe i should take an english class this semester to give me time to write it |
| 17:28.49 | DexterTheDragon | ninnypants: I've always come down on the side of Benjamin Franklin: They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. |
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| 17:32.09 | TuxToaster | ~rlart |
| 17:32.09 | ibot | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at kim27 |
| 17:33.00 | mj-lifeboat | i love that quote, but how do we reconcile that with assym warfare and jefferson's constitution isn't a suicide pact? |
| 17:33.12 | kim27 | ~lart TuxToaster for random larting |
| 17:33.12 | ibot | installs PocketPC on TuxToaster's PDA for random larting |
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| 17:34.25 | TuxToaster | yay, now I have an app on my PDA for doing rlarts |
| 17:34.44 | TuxToaster | would be an interesting stat... jnbek is probably at the top of the list there |
| 17:34.51 | kim27 | ~rpraise |
| 17:35.12 | kim27 | hmm, there seems to be some bias here to lart |
| 17:35.31 | TuxToaster | ~praise kim27 |
| 17:35.32 | ibot | All hail kim27! |
| 17:35.58 | TuxToaster | that sounds less like praise and more like an order to heil Hitler. |
| 17:36.45 | kim27 | I'm okay with that? |
| 17:37.39 | mj-lifeboat | Hail Caesar predates hitler, i'd take it from a historical perspective |
| 17:38.48 | TuxToaster | ~mj++ |
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| 18:12.50 | hhatfield | ~jar me |
| 18:12.50 | ibot | hhatfield took the cookie from the cookie jar. "Who, me?", "Yes, you!", "Couldn't be!", "Then, who?" "kendsnyder !" |
| 18:20.59 | jnbek | TuxToaster: lol |
| 18:21.11 | jnbek | i wouldn't be a bit surprised |
| 18:22.08 | jnbek | though mercifully, i've been spared the worst lately |
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| 18:52.43 | ninnypants | ~rlart |
| 18:52.43 | ibot | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, wGEric, this won't hurt a bit...." |
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| 19:19.51 | mahelious | TuxToaster: are you familiar with the Bellamy Salute? |
| 19:33.11 | Heartsbane | anyone in here good with ModRewrite that has a few seconds |
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| 20:54.03 | TuxToaster | mahelious: didn't know the name of it, but on looking it up I'd at least heard of the salute before |
| 20:54.14 | TuxToaster | ~jar hhatfield |
| 20:54.14 | ibot | hhatfield took the cookie from the cookie jar. "Who, me?", "Yes, you!", "Couldn't be!", "Then, who?" "wGEric !" |
| 20:54.29 | TuxToaster | ~rlart |
| 20:54.29 | ibot | installs a bad bootloader on shalkie and turns shalkie into a brick |
| 20:54.42 | TuxToaster | yay, a brick |
| 20:54.57 | TuxToaster | which, currently, only has one brick. |
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| 21:07.42 | ninnypants | ~brick TuxToaster |
| 21:07.42 | ibot | ACTION installs a bad bootloader on TuxToaster and turns TuxToaster into a brick |
| 21:07.56 | TuxToaster | now I've got two! |
| 21:08.00 | TuxToaster | wait... |
| 21:08.24 | TuxToaster | ~brick ibot |
| 21:08.24 | ibot | ACTION installs a bad bootloader on ibot and turns ibot into a brick |
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| 21:10.15 | TuxToaster | ~brick sand and clay |
| 21:10.15 | ibot | ACTION installs a bad bootloader on sand and clay and turns sand and clay into a brick |
| 21:10.33 | TuxToaster | eh, bootloader not so much, but at least it got the brick right. |
| 21:11.42 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: maybe sand and clay is a new type of phone |
| 21:16.12 | stirlingw | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMBjuzWCMAAKf1p.jpg lol.... |
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