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02:06.42ninnypantsjsmith: ok thanks that's what I thought
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15:00.22mindjuju9a on Wednesday
15:00.26mindjujuweek almost over
15:00.28mindjujuwhew!
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15:08.41josephscottyou have  very optimistic view of the week :-)
15:13.30mindjujuwell, it is a 3 day weekend
15:14.07mindjujui didn't take any days off between the conf and work, so this will be the first, and family vacation is mid june, so this will be a nice break :)
15:24.11romanovicoh yeah
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15:28.42SunSparc~Happy Wednesday to all
15:29.03stirlingwGood morning all
15:29.26SunSparc:)
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16:16.52*** topic/#UPHPU is Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org | Next Meeting: http://uphpu.org/2013/05/15/may-2013-meeting-high-performance-websites-with-scalable-workers-by-justin-carmony/
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16:17.03ninnypantsmindjuju: SunSparc now that open west is over are we going to start doing lunches again?
16:19.45mindjujuthat would be next friday, right?
16:19.49mindjujuthat's doable
16:20.15SunSparcninnypants: I might be able to swing that. Got some political topics to discuss?
16:20.40ninnypantsit would be whenever
16:21.12ninnypantsand yeah would be Friday the 7th
16:21.44mindjujuoh 2 fridays from friday this week
16:22.04mindjujui'm still mulling non-reglious moral code that Tyrel brought up last time
16:22.10mindjujuwe could pick up on that
16:22.52mindjujuor we coudl look at somethign current, i'm game for either
16:23.02ninnypantsmindjuju: yeah I don't want to do next friday since I'll have just bought a good bbq dinner on monday and it's the end of a pay period so I'll be waiting on a paycheck
16:23.13mindjujuheh, yup
16:24.29mindjujuWhere should we meet up at?  Great Wall?  I think it was your turn to pick ninnypants
16:25.05ninnypantsI'm good with wherever
16:25.32mindjujuYou know DtD, we talked some politics at Applebees Draper, that was way fun
16:25.41mindjujuwe'll have to find a way to do that again
16:31.13ninnypantswe could choose a day to meet up half way
16:33.00SunSparcFood is good.
16:33.30SunSparcLayton is very far.
16:33.31SunSparc:)
16:34.28mindjujuman, back when i worked in draper, I went up to layton a couple times for geek lunch, that is far
16:34.53mindjujuwe had lunch at chipolte (overrated ;) and a seafood dive somewhere inbetween SLC and layton if i recall
16:36.48SunSparcIn-N-Out?
16:37.02SunSparcDickey's BBQ?
16:37.37mindjujuDickey's in Orem dogged me on an order of Fried Okra i ordered from there once, i'm still a wee bitter
16:37.45mindjujui was several miles down the road before i noticed
16:37.56mindjuju;)
16:38.13SunSparcThat happened to me also, but I was eating in so I was able to get my okra.
16:38.19SunSparcBut it was tasty.
16:38.30SunSparcThere is also a Smashburger joint near there.
16:38.54SunSparcJason's Deli
16:38.56mindjujusmashburger is yum, corban and i ate there once
16:39.05herlofried okra is da bomb!
16:39.16SunSparcMmm... okra
16:39.19herlomindjuju: don't be upset at dickey's
16:39.20mindjujuthere is a jimmy johns in provo near that pizza place we ate at that one time
16:39.29herlobe upset at the stupid person...
16:39.41SunSparc^
16:39.44herlothey should know that forgetting okra is an unforgettable sin
16:39.51mindjujuit is!
16:39.54SunSparcherlo: That is great political advice.
16:39.58herloand unforgivable :)
16:40.12herloSunSparc: oh, no. I'm not getting sucked into your net....
16:40.53herlo.............................................................. :P
16:41.00SunSparchaha
16:41.18herlo.............................................................................................. I'm far away!
16:41.26SunSparc~politic herlo
16:41.33herlo~kick SunSparc
16:41.33ibotACTION kicks SunSparc
16:42.18SunSparcRemote kicking, clever. Nice move Senator Herlo.
16:42.31herlo:)
16:42.46herlono senator here, unless it's about hockey
16:42.56SunSparcWhat about soccer?
16:43.09josephscottninnypants: everything still good for Monday at Sonny Brian's?
16:43.23herloOttawa Senators <-- hockey
16:44.09herloSunSparc: there's a soccer team named the Senators? There was once the 'Washington Senators' baseball team and apparently football too -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Senators
16:44.44SunSparcNot that I know of, but there is now an MLS team in NYC.
16:45.02SunSparcToo bad fans can only buy small cups of soda.
16:45.03ninnypantsjosephscott: yep all is good
16:45.06herloMLS is not soccer?
16:45.10ninnypantsI've got to call tomorrow with numbers
16:45.22herloSunSparc: lol
16:45.29herloSunSparc: I think they can buy large cups of beer though
16:45.49SunSparcWould not be a real soccer game if you couldn't.  :)
16:46.04herlohmm, I wonder how it goes at BYU then?
16:46.14SunSparcNot real soccer.  ;)
16:46.39SunSparcThough, they might have some decent root Beer.
16:46.45herlolol
16:46.46herlookay
16:47.31SunSparc:)
16:50.15ninnypantsSunSparc: is there a good place to get it in UT?
16:51.30SunSparcI have only seen it at DP Cheesesteaks.
16:53.31herlobirch beer is yummy
16:54.21SunSparcAgreed.
16:54.30herloso is a good IPA
16:54.56SunSparcI will have to take your word for that.
16:54.57herloSunSparc: oh, they had birch beer at the renaissance faire in marriott-slaterville this weekend.
16:55.03herloSunSparc: :)
16:55.26SunSparcI missed that one.
17:00.55stirlingwwoo... sounds good
17:11.03herloSunSparc: I'll help
17:11.16SunSparc:)
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19:29.03mindjujuinteresting lunchtime reading of differing opinion on DoJ seize phone records - http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/05/21/obama-the-media-and-national-security
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19:39.15mgearyhi folks
19:39.23stirlingwhola sir
19:39.56mindjujugutten morgan mgeary
19:40.12mindjujuactually, i think that's morgen
19:40.28mgearycheckin' in with the peeps. SunSparc, i've eaten about 10 bowls of Schoko-müsli since i've been here
19:40.28mgearymindjuju: guten Tag
19:40.35mgearymindjuju: yeah, and it's just one "t" in guten
19:40.42mgearybut the sentiment is what counts :)
19:40.46mindjuju:)
19:41.01mgearyc-c-c-coldest May i've ever seen here
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19:43.05mgearyend of May, at that
19:44.50SunSparcmgeary: Awesome! I see you are on a German connection. I am jealous. I hope you are having fun.
19:45.47mindjujuyar, eat some brautwurst for us
19:46.01mgearythe Mosel valley is absolutely gorgeous. Town after town that comes straight from a storybook
19:46.22mgearymindjuju: actually, i try to avoid eating brats here in favor of sausages that are much harder to get at home
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19:46.37mgearybut yes
19:47.00SunSparcmgeary: Yes, Germany has done a good job keeping their land looking beautiful.
19:49.17SunSparcEsst du ein Currywurst mit senf.
19:49.42herlomgeary: linuxtag?
19:51.01mgearyherlo: nope. sort of a non-time-off vacation, i guess
19:51.24herlomgeary: cool
19:54.06mgearyanyone know offhand the rules for display:block introducing a line break?
19:54.23mgearyi'm getting a wrap/line break when i don't want one
19:55.26mgearyaha inline-block
19:55.27mgearyperfect
19:55.40herlomgeary: so is this like what you did a year or two ago. Family vacation, while you work?
19:56.14mindjujui need to find somebody with a networking problem in bora bora
19:56.27mgearyherlo: not really. i will be doing that again before too long, but right now i'm just here with my brother
19:56.37herlomindjuju: rather, you need a 'work from home' job
19:56.48herlowhich translates to a 'work from anywhere with an internet connection' job
19:56.58herlowhich translates to a 'work from bora bora' :D
19:57.20mindjujuhmm, work from home, sounds like fun
19:57.48mgearyit's actually not super easy for me. A lot of what i do requires heavy coordination with the team, and that's much easier in person
19:58.07mgearybut every few years, we muddle through it :)
19:58.19herlomgeary: right, but google hangouts work. :)
19:58.23herloor skype
19:58.26herloor this or that
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20:22.36SunSparcwork from home++
20:22.42SunSparc~work from home++
20:22.42ibotACTION looks over the shoulder of from home++ to see what needs to be done and then sets the elves to work getting it all done so from home++ can play bzflag
20:23.34mgearySunSparc: i tend to get more done at the office. Fewer distractions.
20:24.00SunSparcI had a great gig where the only communication I had was digital.
20:24.19mgearythat's the case for me with nearly all of our clients
20:24.36mgearybut with co-workers i find great value in physical presence
20:24.40SunSparcmgeary: Just make the office a remote one. I would go to the library, or the bookstore, mom's house. :)
20:25.01SunSparcmgeary: For making sure they are actually working?
20:25.48mgearySunSparc: not really. but if everyone is close together, it just seems more gets done
20:26.11mgearyeven just the "hey, come look at this and tell me what i'm doing wrong"
20:26.32mgearythat is 30 seconds in an office, but at least 5 minutes digitally
20:26.59SunSparcYeah, I can see that. In some cases.
20:27.02mgearyand being able to go to the whiteboard and sketch out model relationships
20:27.13SunSparcOther times, I get distracted by the other people, at work.
20:27.17mgearyi just can't do that with a mouse. especially a touchpad
20:27.37SunSparcMaybe a mix of 2 days at work 3 days at home might work.
20:28.44SunSparcMy main point is, I do not want to be tied to a desk. If I want to go with mindjuju to Bora Bora and the family and still get work done while I am laying in my hammock, I want that option.
20:29.18mgearydon't we all :)
20:29.31SunSparc:)
20:29.42SunSparcWell, I cannot speak for everyone, but I sure do.
20:30.17SunSparcI guess an understanding employer and a trusted employee could work something out no matter what the standard setup.
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20:37.04mindjujui think that's an excellent use case for a clone
20:37.31mindjujuand then you can have your clone do the fun interactive stuff with team, whilst you float on a boat
20:37.55mindjujucourse, cloning brings up a whole host of issues
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20:51.57SunSparcmindjuju: especially if the clone is not an exact duplicate :)
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21:00.54mindjujuit's funny you say that SunSparc, reminds me of a moral case study on the use of clones
21:05.15mindjujuSunsparc, here is the case study: So, it starts out that a very rich man decides he wants a clone for himself, for much the same reason we discussed.  A clone was created that mirrored him in every way, but the original found the clone to be annoying, boorish and gross with all these bad habits (presumably that the original never knew that he did).
21:05.28fungusAs long as clones are treated with the same rights as others, there isn't any moral problem.  There are many logistical problems, but we can find solutions for them.
21:05.33mindjujuany way, the man puts up with the clones's behavior until one day he can stomach the clone no longer.  He takes the clone to the top of a high building and tricking it to the edge, he pushes it over, and heads back down to the lobby and out. When he gets to the lobby, the police arrest him there, on a obscene clone fall charge
21:07.17mindjujuoh man, that was a stinker, i'd better go fix something
21:07.59fungusSince clones are different people, and diverge over time, they are different people.  Just because their creation is different doesn't mean they don't deserve human rights.
21:09.13fungusIf discrimination based on creation method was acceptable, a decent size chunk of our population should be slaves now.  (in-vitro...)
21:09.55SunSparcmindjuju: that was bad ;)
21:10.38SunSparcfungus: Plus clones make great war fodder.
21:25.36mindjujueven though that wasn't a rick roll, i think fungus has 100% given up on me :(
21:45.37fungusmindjuju, not totally, just links.  Your link clicking probation is almost over I think.  
21:48.06mindjuju~fungus++
21:48.12mindjuju~karma fungus
21:48.12ibotfungus has karma of 119
21:48.41fungusI'm just not paying that close attention right now.  Working through a heinously awful Solaris upgrade right now.  
21:48.46fungus~solaris--
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22:27.39funguslol, nice.  that's perfect.
22:29.22romanovicI wonder how many insects and/or spiders make it into the average batch of yoplait yogurt
22:30.10fungus2.5
22:30.42fungusthough 2.48 of them are whipped until they cannot be detected.
22:35.27herlolol
22:35.30herlo~slap utahcon
22:35.30ibotACTION slaps utahcon, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
22:38.23herlomindjuju: not that good :)
22:38.32mindjujuhttp://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md3wamlsgC1rd8sq6o1_500.gif ?
22:38.46herlolol
22:38.48herlosure
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