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| 15:03.36 | noahgoodrich | Does anyone know if we're meeting tomorrow and who will be presenting? |
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| 15:06.34 | DexterTheDragon | noahgoodrich: http://uphpu.org/pipermail/uphpu/2013-May/012119.html |
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| 15:07.46 | noahgoodrich | DexterTheDragon: Thanks |
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| 15:37.46 | mindjuju_ | i hate these edge cases where the 3rd tuesday is later than the 3rd thursday |
| 15:37.57 | mindjuju_ | i feel upside down :( |
| 15:37.58 | ninnypants | $rlart |
| 15:37.58 | raifbot | eats opapo_ and falls over dead. |
| 15:38.21 | ninnypants | mindjuju_: yeah it's a little strange |
| 15:38.27 | mindjuju_ | haters gonna hate - http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/173676_700b.jpg |
| 15:38.51 | mindjuju_ | love that pic, he's driving that bike like a boss |
| 15:39.12 | ninnypants | mindjuju_: http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/saudi-surveillance/ |
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| 15:41.09 | josephscott | when I look at that pic all I think of is "ramming speed!" |
| 15:41.18 | josephscott | put that horn to good use :-) |
| 15:43.15 | mindjuju_ | :) |
| 15:43.29 | ninnypants | josephscott: we're at about 20 people signed up for the WP10 dinner |
| 15:43.30 | mindjuju_ | ninnypants, this article is disturbing :( |
| 15:43.53 | ninnypants | mindjuju_: yeah it is |
| 15:44.19 | josephscott | ninnypants: cool, I'll post about it too, see if we can get the word out a bit more |
| 15:47.35 | SunSparc | mindjuju_: that unicorn bike is pretty sweet |
| 15:48.55 | ninnypants | josephscott: yeah still lots of free shirts left too |
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| 16:17.15 | ninnypants | mindjuju_: I had another link for you that I forgot http://www.whispersystems.org/ |
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| 16:42.05 | josephscott | ninnypants: came across that site, while reading http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/saudi-surveillance/ |
| 16:42.23 | ninnypants | josephscott: yeah that's what I got it from as well |
| 16:42.34 | josephscott | crazy stuff |
| 16:45.38 | stirlingw | https://developers.google.com/events/io/ |
| 16:49.18 | josephscott | kinda sad that it doesn't serve HTML5 video on that page to my Chrome browser |
| 16:52.11 | josephscott | $lart flash |
| 16:52.11 | raifbot | blames flash for all the evil in the world. |
| 16:52.15 | josephscott | so true |
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| 17:21.43 | TuxToaster | lol |
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| 18:32.05 | mindjuju_ | who in here is MEGA smart? I need a way to have people read emails, but with a SQL transaction constraint. ie, you don't get to just read one sentence, think you understand and go from there. YOU READ THE WHOLE D THING. |
| 18:37.02 | mindjuju_ | not in a bad way i hope |
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| 18:53.39 | fungus | mindjuju_, you could have a quiz after reading the email to prove that you read it. |
| 18:55.26 | fungus | Or create a policy in which the reader has to print out an affidavit, sign it and return it (mail, fax, email). |
| 18:56.45 | fungus | Though that doesn't actually prove they read it, but it moves the legal responsibility for reading to the reader instead of yourself. |
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| 19:16.56 | mgeary | mindjuju_: can you do html emails, or just plaintext? |
| 19:18.04 | mgeary | though i guess you can't do js even in html emails. ah well |
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| 20:07.10 | ninnypants | carmony: UPHPU is tomorrow right? |
| 20:08.13 | herlo | ninnypants: nope, it's tomorrow night |
| 20:08.36 | carmony | lol, yes, its tomorrow night :) |
| 20:08.40 | carmony | Need to post the annoucement |
| 20:08.47 | ninnypants | herlo: but tomorrow is to the right of today on the calendar ;) |
| 20:09.49 | herlo | ninnypants: it's true... |
| 20:10.02 | herlo | ninnypants: but it's tomorrow night |
| 20:10.24 | ninnypants | herlo: I believe tomorrow night is included in tomorrow which is to the right |
| 20:12.35 | herlo | ninnypants: but it's not just tomorrow, it's 'tomorrow night' |
| 20:12.41 | herlo | that's all I'm saying. :) |
| 20:12.58 | ninnypants | oh ok I understand now |
| 20:13.20 | herlo | hehe |
| 20:27.46 | mindjuju_ | herlo is a wild card, that's why i don't play poker with the man, too hard to read |
| 20:28.01 | mindjuju_ | ;) |
| 20:28.03 | herlo | mindjuju_: only on Fridays. you can totally beat me on a Wednesday. |
| 20:28.19 | mindjuju_ | yall playin stud poker or with wilds? |
| 20:28.29 | mindjuju_ | psh posh, and i'd whoop ya at spades |
| 20:28.46 | herlo | doubt it |
| 20:28.51 | herlo | love spades |
| 20:28.54 | herlo | hearts is just as fun |
| 20:29.04 | herlo | mindjuju_: did you watch google i/o today? |
| 20:29.06 | mindjuju_ | :( just hurt my eyes rolling them |
| 20:29.15 | herlo | they gave a chromebook pixel to everyone in attendance. |
| 20:29.20 | mindjuju_ | serious? |
| 20:29.23 | herlo | yeah |
| 20:29.50 | mindjuju_ | if i'm going to go to a conference, it'll be SCALE |
| 20:29.55 | mindjuju_ | i'm going to try to make it next year |
| 20:29.58 | herlo | mindjuju_: it's a fun conference |
| 20:31.07 | mindjuju_ | well, i'll save up my pennies and play ya loose change poker, that's about as far as i go |
| 20:31.15 | mindjuju_ | not really a gamble though, cause i don't loose |
| 20:31.18 | mindjuju_ | lose |
| 20:32.39 | herlo | k |
| 20:32.57 | mindjuju_ | heh |
| 20:38.46 | herlo | mindjuju_: I'm happy to play anytime. :) |
| 20:40.04 | mindjuju_ | we'll have to get that setup to play sometime, and also this one board game i bought called Last day on earth |
| 20:40.07 | mindjuju_ | looks like fun :) |
| 20:41.29 | herlo | I've heard of it |
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| 20:58.21 | mgeary | hey wordpress gurus |
| 20:58.38 | mgeary | i've got a WP site with a module (S2) that allows for making a purchase |
| 20:59.05 | mgeary | what's the right way to enforce SSL on certain views? |
| 20:59.26 | mgeary | and doesn't WP have issues with that, since the full URLs to many assets are stored in the DB? |
| 20:59.29 | herlo | mgeary: enforce it on all views |
| 20:59.32 | mgeary | (which i've never understood) |
| 20:59.39 | mgeary | herlo: yeah, that's my fallback position |
| 20:59.46 | herlo | mgeary: I think it's the best position |
| 20:59.53 | herlo | and simple to do in wp |
| 21:01.02 | tierra | I believe mod_rewrite is the best way, and yeah, you're going to have issues with urls in content, but if your module's pages handle checkout without CMS content, you can mostly avoid that by coding your theme appropriately |
| 21:01.46 | tierra | can't remember if browsers still complain when the content has been redirected with 301 to an SSL resource |
| 21:02.16 | tierra | obviously none of that is efficient |
| 21:02.37 | mgeary | yeah. better to change all the stored URLs to use SSl |
| 21:02.39 | mgeary | SSL |
| 21:02.41 | herlo | tierra: usually only if it's untrusted |
| 21:02.46 | herlo | as in, self-signed |
| 21:03.13 | tierra | I've always been on the bandwagon behind finally spitting out standard gallery/images/etc as builtin shortcodes so stuff like that and also site migrations could work smoothly |
| 21:04.05 | tierra | but Automattic / core WP devs aren't there and will never do it |
| 21:05.06 | tierra | which is funny since one of their big project ideas for summer of code is a project handling site migrations, but really that's the only problem with moving sites is the stupid URLs |
| 21:06.01 | mgeary | i've never understood the point behind storing all those full URLs in the database |
| 21:14.17 | ninnypants | mgeary: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wordpress-https/ |
| 21:14.45 | mindjuju_ | so on a related WP note, there is bbq good times for WP next Monday i think, right ninnypants? |
| 21:15.00 | ninnypants | on the 27th |
| 21:15.06 | mindjuju_ | that's it |
| 21:15.13 | ninnypants | http://www.meetup.com/WordPress/Salt-Lake-City-UT/930892/ |
| 21:16.27 | tierra | mgeary: that's because there isn't one, it's a horrible practice, and you should only ever do it when saving a URI to an *external* resource |
| 21:16.37 | tierra | heh |
| 21:17.36 | ninnypants | mgeary: that plugin lets you force pages to SSL and will help force resources to SSL as well |
| 21:18.57 | tierra | I believe that historically, it was done in WP because the original devs didn't quite know how to properly detect and write full URLs for things like RSS feeds for all web servers in a compatible way so they took the easy way out (write it once when the post is published - use it everywhere) |
| 21:19.41 | tierra | but it's been that way for so long now no-one wants to touch it (like anything else that could potentially break thousands of plugins by changing now) |
| 21:19.57 | mindjuju_ | mgeary, you should go to the WP meatup (it's at a bbq place), and then you can torment those who make your WP things hard for you |
| 21:20.06 | mindjuju_ | like tierra! |
| 21:20.13 | tierra | I'm on his side! |
| 21:20.21 | mgeary | heh |
| 21:20.50 | mgeary | i'm actually out of the country on that day, mindjuju_. Going to meet my brother in Germany for a week |
| 21:26.23 | herlo | mgeary: every month? :) |
| 21:26.27 | herlo | quite an excuse... |
| 21:26.36 | mgeary | herlo: oh. i meant on the meetup |
| 21:26.51 | mgeary | they have them monthly? |
| 21:27.09 | herlo | I thought so |
| 21:37.15 | ninnypants | yeah it's monthly |
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| 21:45.03 | SunSparc | mgeary: Essen Sie ein currywurst fur mich. |
| 21:45.27 | mgeary | SunSparc: i'll be in the Mosel area, so probably slim pickings for currywurst |
| 21:45.43 | SunSparc | Ah so. |
| 21:45.50 | mgeary | but i'm going to absolutely load up on Schoko-müsli |
| 21:46.08 | SunSparc | hah, depleted your stash? |
| 21:46.15 | mgeary | psh. ages ago |
| 21:46.23 | mgeary | i could go through a box a day |
| 21:46.38 | SunSparc | Yeah, it was pretty tasty. Thanks for sharing. |
| 21:49.28 | mgeary | where do they live? |
| 21:49.28 | mgeary | K-town? |
| 21:50.47 | SunSparc | They were near Heidleberg, but recently moved near Wiesbaden. |
| 21:51.13 | mindjuju_ | for some reason hearing you guys talk about Germany reminds me of this really REAL European bakery i ate at in China |
| 21:51.15 | mgeary | Heidelberg is one of my favorite places. So pretty |
| 21:51.28 | mindjuju_ | real bread with life and flavors! |
| 21:51.35 | SunSparc | Yes, took my wife there. We loved it. |
| 21:51.54 | SunSparc | mindjuju_: Everything is made in China, right? |
| 21:52.18 | mindjuju_ | :) |
| 21:52.30 | mindjuju_ | actually, i want to say this guy was from France, but i dno't recall clearly |
| 21:52.43 | mindjuju_ | this would be like 17yrs ago |
| 21:54.05 | mgeary | another WP question -- what's a good/simple way to introduce an arbitrary database table and make it administrable in the admin? For example, if i want to have a list of Widgets, with name, description, etc. on an arbitrary page. Historically i've done this by just creating the table and hacking it into the template, but the client wants to be able to administer the widgets... |
| 21:56.09 | ninnypants | mgeary: from what I understand of what you want that can be done with custom post types |
| 21:56.24 | mgeary | is that a built-in feature? |
| 21:56.34 | ninnypants | yep let me grab you some links |
| 21:56.57 | ninnypants | http://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference/register_post_type |
| 21:57.34 | ninnypants | so that's how you register it and it will show up with an interface similar to the posts and pages are depending on what you enable and whether or not you make it visible |
| 21:58.30 | mgeary | cool. thanks |
| 21:58.32 | ninnypants | if you want it on the front end of the site you just set up a template file named archive-post-type-name.php and have your normal WP template info in that file and if you leave it out it will fall back to archive.php then to index.php |
| 21:59.07 | ninnypants | mgeary: also if you need to categorize you can do the same with taxonomies http://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference/register_taxonomy |
| 21:59.42 | mgeary | you mean have different types of Widgets? |
| 22:00.10 | ninnypants | mgeary: custom post types will be in the wp_posts table so if there's a reason it needed to be in a seperate table then it wouldn't work |
| 22:00.34 | ninnypants | mgeary: kind of taxonomies are basically the same as categories or tags but they can be anything you make them |
| 22:01.00 | mgeary | so does it just serialize the "fields" on the custom post type? I don't need to query/sort by fields, so that's not a deal-breaker. Just trying to understand |
| 22:01.32 | mgeary | i don't mind them being stored in wp_posts, as long as the desired functionality is there |
| 22:02.40 | ninnypants | mgeary: so the title and description are stored there then any other meta is stored in wp_postmeta and it's stored as a string or serialized data depending on what you pass the meta saving functions |
| 22:02.50 | mgeary | yeah. ok |
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