| 00:00.01 | mindjuju | braining glowing like irradiated |
| 00:00.20 | herlo | lol |
| 00:00.29 | herlo | mindjuju: it's like drinking from a firehose |
| 00:00.51 | mindjuju | :) |
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| 02:55.21 | carmony | clintberry: sup :P |
| 03:01.45 | clintberry | carmony: Hey! |
| 03:01.48 | clintberry | I just emailed you |
| 03:01.54 | carmony | dude! I got it working! |
| 03:01.58 | clintberry | nice! |
| 03:02.09 | clintberry | Now you can conquer the world |
| 03:03.12 | clintberry | is it going to power revolving police lights? |
| 03:06.16 | carmony | yup |
| 03:06.20 | carmony | let me make a video real quick |
| 03:09.10 | clintberry | nice |
| 03:10.20 | carmony | a node-zwave would definitely be nice to abstract away the hex codes :P |
| 03:10.33 | carmony | I was trying and trying with zero luck |
| 03:11.04 | carmony | and then realized "Wait, I think this police light itself is turned off... yup... holy cow its on now! Lets see if I can turn it off.... WHOA!!!" |
| 03:11.20 | clintberry | So awesome |
| 03:11.53 | clintberry | I had that feeling the first time I turned off my outside lights. We have the coolest careers ever |
| 03:14.32 | carmony | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCY8xXm2OqU |
| 03:17.26 | clintberry | carmony: excellent! I want one of those lights. |
| 03:17.36 | carmony | 10 bucks on amazon |
| 03:17.41 | clintberry | perfect |
| 03:18.41 | carmony | clintberry: do you know of a zwave "power strip" that you could control the different outlets on a single power strip? |
| 03:19.06 | clintberry | carmony: I haven't ever seen anything like that, sorry |
| 03:19.17 | carmony | darn, that'd be cool |
| 03:22.22 | carmony | what I'm envisioning at work is a line of these police lights on a wall |
| 03:22.31 | carmony | with different DDM properties below them |
| 03:22.39 | carmony | so whenever either of them have a problem |
| 03:22.44 | carmony | their light turns on |
| 03:24.48 | clintberry | That would be awesome. But yeah, that would get expensive with all the zwave plug switches :-) |
| 03:25.41 | carmony | yeah, but we could probably justify it. If some of our properties go down, the outage is measured in the thousands of dollars per hour :P |
| 03:28.29 | clintberry | ouch |
| 03:37.53 | carmony | clintberry: you'll need to do some blogpost tutorials on how to do light switches, etc |
| 03:38.32 | clintberry | carmony: Yes, I have 3 or 4 posts half done. Just need to wrap them up and post them. |
| 03:38.45 | carmony | sweet |
| 03:38.49 | carmony | we moved into a new house |
| 03:38.53 | carmony | totally going to automate it |
| 03:46.02 | carmony | clintberry: do you use any home automation software like indigo? |
| 03:48.23 | clintberry | carmony: I've tried out a few solutions but haven't liked any enough to use them regularly |
| 03:48.39 | clintberry | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.22 | carmony | yeah, they all seem pretty cheesy |
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| 15:41.05 | mgeary | morning, folks |
| 15:41.34 | mindjuju | uh oh, with a salutation like that, it can't be good news |
| 15:41.44 | mgeary | hey |
| 15:41.50 | mgeary | here i am trying to be friendly |
| 15:41.52 | stirlingw | hola sir |
| 15:41.52 | mgeary | sheesh |
| 15:42.00 | mindjuju | :) |
| 15:42.04 | mindjuju | ~mgeary |
| 15:42.12 | mgeary | ~wake ibot |
| 15:42.13 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on ibot and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 15:42.32 | mindjuju | and is friendly |
| 15:43.27 | mgeary | let's not go overboard there |
| 15:44.35 | mindjuju | so how things going for TLG ? |
| 15:45.34 | ninnypants | mindjuju: you can stream all of Random Access Memories on itunes https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/random-access-memories/id617154241 |
| 15:45.58 | mgeary | pretty decent, mindjuju. Fun projects, good people, good times |
| 15:46.22 | mindjuju | ninnypants, that requires itunes :( |
| 15:47.24 | mindjuju | mgeary, good to hear, i never see you any more at the user groups |
| 15:48.07 | mgeary | mindjuju: yeah, evenings get so full with homework, instrument practicing, reading with kids… It's hard to break away |
| 15:48.43 | mindjuju | maybe you should bring them along? a little linux never hurt anybody ;) |
| 15:48.46 | mindjuju | PLUG tonight i think |
| 15:49.01 | mindjuju | course, i think PLUG is on HAM |
| 15:49.07 | mgeary | heh. maybe i will before too long |
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| 15:51.15 | mindjuju | oh wow, eggyknap presenting on HAM |
| 15:51.18 | mindjuju | how cool is that! |
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| 15:52.47 | mindjuju | here is description for tonight: |
| 15:52.48 | mindjuju | Ham radio used to be where aspiring hackers got started. Amateur radio is still a vibrant world with much to teach the interested geek. We'll talk about where ham radio fits in the hacker arsenal today, and cover everything you need to pass the FCC's licensing test and get on the air. |
| 15:54.17 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I was thinking maybe you still had itunes from setting up the ipods for Open West |
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| 15:58.34 | mindjuju | absolute sin against nature - http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/trending/The-Taco-Bell-Waffle-Taco-is-the-breakfast-hero-America-deserves.html |
| 16:00.50 | ninnypants | mindjuju: they should have cooked the syrup into the waffle |
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| 16:02.30 | eggyknap | mindjuju: I was told the 21st, not tonight... :) |
| 16:02.46 | mindjuju | ninnypants, yeah, that would make more sense |
| 16:02.59 | mindjuju | eggyknap, maybe it is next week? i'm not sure |
| 16:03.02 | eggyknap | whew... looks like I don't need my slides finished just yet: http://www.plug.org/node/197 |
| 16:03.06 | mindjuju | stevecoug, when is PLUG? |
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| 16:04.35 | stirlingw | Date: Tuesday, May 21st, 2013 |
| 16:04.35 | stirlingw | Time: 7:30 PM |
| 16:04.43 | stirlingw | just a guess by clicking on the link |
| 16:05.27 | eggyknap | OBTW, how long is the typical PLUG meeting? I guess I shouldn't plan a 1 hour talk for a 3 hour meeting, for instance |
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| 16:09.24 | mindjuju | so eggyknap, the first block is 2hrs, followed by an intermission and then a 30 minute block after |
| 16:09.29 | mindjuju | are youspeaking for both parts? |
| 16:10.42 | mindjuju | so hard to judge humor and response over the internet |
| 16:10.47 | eggyknap | I guess I should re-read my emails, which answer my original question. Last I heard, the plan is to have a 5-10 min introductory presentation give by stevecoug, followed by me until 9:00-ish |
| 16:10.52 | mindjuju | i'm just kidding, it's like an hour / hour and a half |
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| 16:11.06 | eggyknap | Heh, yeah, I got that, but failed to express it over IRC :) |
| 16:13.46 | mindjuju | i bet there are many ways to use postgres on a farm :) |
| 16:14.14 | eggyknap | Heh... I've contemplated some of them. Farming could theoretically be much nicer with various hordes of sensors all over, for instance. |
| 16:14.52 | eggyknap | I haven't imagined needs (for our particular farm) that would surpass the capabilities of a single standalone database (and backups, of course), but just having some of hte data would be nice. |
| 16:15.49 | eggyknap | soil moisture at various depths, temperature and wind speed, sunlight, acidity, geospatially tagged stuff... detailed topology would be *very* nice for those of us that don't have pressurized irrigation systems. |
| 16:16.10 | eggyknap | But I haven't even gotten high tech enough to put an alarm on my phone to remind me to water the trees again... :) |
| 16:16.17 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:16.32 | mindjuju | so did we determine PLUG this week or next? |
| 16:17.02 | eggyknap | Not to keep rambling on, on something other than the topic, but it turns out you don't really need lots of sensors to measure some stuff. For instance, grains change color slightly when they aren't getting enough water, so you can tell by sight where to irrigate |
| 16:17.08 | eggyknap | And, we determined it's next week. |
| 16:17.52 | mindjuju | i wonder if you can harvest (pun intended) that data (grain color) with a web cam |
| 16:18.41 | eggyknap | If you wanted to, I'm sure you could. It's pretty easy just to walk through a field and look, but it would be nice to have historical data |
| 16:26.33 | ninnypants | eggyknap: you could at least detect changes in color |
| 16:28.16 | mindjuju | especially if he could have something that articulated the web cam around on certain regions, and had a predetermined zoom set in at that particular articulation, then measured the predominance of a particular color |
| 16:28.25 | mindjuju | and run that all on a script daily |
| 16:29.01 | mindjuju | or he could just hire one of his kiddos to do it manually |
| 16:29.15 | eggyknap | Daily would probably be overkill, at least for my size. It doesn't change that rapidly. |
| 16:29.33 | eggyknap | Irrigation cycles here go every 2 weeks, so once every few days would be fine. |
| 16:30.55 | eggyknap | I'd like to see something sensing, somehow, microbial soil life. It would also be neat to know grass height around my cow pasture. But just things like how much milk she produces, or the number of eggs I get in relation to total food weight, insect population, temperature, etc. would be neat. |
| 16:32.53 | mindjuju | i'm sure one day we'll get to the point where we'll use some kind of RFID scattered at the same time you plant seed, that record the details you're looking for |
| 16:34.24 | eggyknap | You're likely right, but somehow I very much hope that doesn't happen. I farm to get away from the computers and electronics. :) |
| 16:35.46 | mindjuju | i know in Arkansas they have trucks with lasers that determine the current the current height and then lower (or raise) this thing they drag to help them level their rice fields before planting |
| 16:36.31 | eggyknap | They do that here, too. It's fairly expensive to have done, but if you depend on water flowing from one end of your field to the other because you don't have a pressurized irrigation system or something, it makes a huge difference. |
| 16:36.59 | eggyknap | For stuff like rice and cranberries you need it not for irrigation, but for flooding during the various growth cycles. |
| 16:37.14 | mindjuju | yup, in arkansas it was rice |
| 16:37.37 | mindjuju | i learned while i was there Arkansas actually makes a huge percentage of the world's rice |
| 16:38.33 | mindjuju | k, scale that back, it's not wor'd rice, it's US rice and its 48% |
| 16:38.44 | mindjuju | srry |
| 16:38.55 | eggyknap | orly? I know the stuff we've been buying typically comes from Kalifornistan, which I thought was interesting given its frequent pleading for water from places like, well, here. |
| 16:39.40 | mindjuju | kalifornistan, love it :) |
| 16:40.48 | eggyknap | Arkansas also makes ammunition, and one day, more of it: http://www.downrange.tv/blog/remington-expands-ammunition-operations/22603/ |
| 16:41.34 | mindjuju | that's awesome! i actually met several gun smiths while down there |
| 16:42.22 | ninnypants | eggyknap: seems like you could measure some of those things similar to how they're measuring coffee running out here http://codeascraft.com/2011/02/15/measure-anything-measure-everything/ |
| 16:44.27 | eggyknap | ninnypants: the fire-n-forget data collector and automatic graph builder attached to it is the easy part. It's actually getting a measurement that's hard and expensive. But yeah, I don't even have the collector thing going, at this point. |
| 16:46.22 | ninnypants | well my thinking was that you already know how much you feed(to use the chickens as an example) so you just set that then track the number of eggs gathered when you gather them. Then you could see trends |
| 16:46.29 | ninnypants | doesn't have to be sensors for some things like that |
| 16:46.51 | ninnypants | but after you get the initial setup done it could be as easy as submitting a web page or sending a text |
| 16:48.59 | eggyknap | Actually one of the problems is we dont' know how much we've fed, all that accurately. It's more, "the chickens are restless... which generally means they're hungry. $2yearold, go throw some wheat at them..." |
| 16:50.48 | ninnypants | oh so you need a way to actually check the weight you've fed them or something like that |
| 16:51.10 | eggyknap | Yeah, or to measure soil temperature and moisture, or scan elevation, or meter water flow |
| 16:52.27 | unum | well you should now how much feed you bought, and how much feed you have left.... |
| 16:52.41 | unum | unless you use the same wheat to feed other animals.... |
| 16:53.03 | eggyknap | It's wheat we grew last year, so I'm not entirely sure how much we have. |
| 16:53.14 | eggyknap | Plus the overhead of weighing regularly adds up pretty quickly, givne all the other stuff I have to do. |
| 16:53.23 | eggyknap | (one day, I promise I will fix the drain in the bathroom sink...) |
| 16:54.26 | unum | my 1/3 of acre is keeping me busy.... |
| 16:54.35 | unum | though with my commute time I'm gone 9 hours a day |
| 16:54.43 | unum | and then I spend time with my girls |
| 16:55.05 | unum | conviently I can water the spots the sprinklers don't get and play with my girls at the same time |
| 16:55.16 | unum | ya I really wanted to live in murray for that reason(plus Utopia) |
| 16:55.28 | unum | but there were too many other reasons to not live there |
| 16:55.41 | unum | part of it being that I never know when my work location may change for what ever reason |
| 17:04.07 | unum | I ran a little experiment, I put a bunch of yogurt cups out on my lawn in various places and then ran the sprinklers, my lawn recieved anywhere from 0"-3" when I ran the sprinklers |
| 17:04.21 | unum | I suspect my system was put in by construction workers... |
| 17:04.53 | eggyknap | heh |
| 17:05.17 | eggyknap | We dam up the irrigation ditch and flood ours. The places where the water runs are easy to spot a week later. It's kinda neat. |
| 17:37.36 | mindjuju | josephscott, got a minute? |
| 17:37.44 | josephscott | mindjuju: sure, what's up? |
| 17:38.20 | mindjuju | if i recall a while back, you mentioned on domains + SEO, i think you said 301 moved permenant was best |
| 17:38.41 | mindjuju | so in my case, i have example.com and its now defunct so i'm going to have it go to anotherexample.com |
| 17:38.47 | mindjuju | that would be a 301, right? |
| 17:39.10 | mindjuju | k, i just found this too |
| 17:39.11 | mindjuju | http://www.seomoz.org/learn-seo/redirection |
| 17:39.20 | josephscott | mindjuju: http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/www.google.com/en/us/webmasters/docs/search-engine-optimization-starter-guide.pdf |
| 17:39.36 | josephscott | . If you do find that people are accessing the same |
| 17:39.37 | josephscott | content through multiple URLs, setting up a 01 redirect from non-preferred URLs to the dominant |
| 17:39.37 | josephscott | URL is a good solution for this. You may also use canonical URL or use the rel="canonical" link element |
| 17:39.38 | josephscott | if you cannot redirect. |
| 17:39.52 | josephscott | sorry, should have pasted that quote some where |
| 17:40.12 | josephscott | and that should have been 301 instead of 01 :) |
| 17:40.20 | mindjuju | k |
| 17:40.36 | mindjuju | thx for the docs, i'll have to make sure we follow these, we're having some seo issues |
| 17:41.14 | josephscott | that google PDF is pretty good, gives you the standard basic stuff, right from google |
| 17:41.29 | josephscott | since most SEO is black magic reverse engineering attempts |
| 17:41.37 | fungus | So, another example where SEO is meaningless. If you are redirecting permanently, use a perm redirect. Duh. |
| 17:41.45 | josephscott | :-) |
| 17:41.52 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:42.44 | fungus | ~lart SEO "experts" |
| 17:42.44 | ibot | burns SEO "experts" to a crisp with a laser |
| 17:43.15 | josephscott | hehe |
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| 17:49.58 | fungus | http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/13/05/14/1242216/cosmos-remake-coming-to-fox-in-2014 |
| 17:51.16 | josephscott | that could be cool |
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| 18:31.03 | SunSparc | fungus: awesome! though the old ones on Netflix are still great. |
| 18:31.46 | fungus | of course they are. |
| 18:36.07 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:36.42 | SunSparc | Tyson is a great choice. |
| 18:38.49 | fungus | imho, he's the only one that could do it well. |
| 18:39.03 | fungus | anyone else would pale in comparison to Carl Sagan |
| 18:40.45 | SunSparc | I cannot think of anyone else better for the job. |
| 18:45.22 | mindjuju | Troy McClure would do it best |
| 18:45.40 | mindjuju | possibly Max Powers |
| 18:46.11 | mindjuju | who of course, is friends with Trent Steel |
| 18:46.38 | mindjuju | Rusty Shakleford could do well |
| 19:00.35 | SunSparc | mindjuju: What about Kate Mulgrew? |
| 19:05.02 | fungus | mindjuju, those names sound like porn star names. |
| 19:05.27 | fungus | Especially Max Powers, and Trent Steel |
| 19:06.49 | SunSparc | lol |
| 19:07.55 | fungus | perhaps Rusty Shakleford is an S/M porn star |
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| 19:58.32 | mindjuju | tsk tsk SunSparc, fungus |
| 19:58.52 | mindjuju | Troy McClure is on The Simpsons, or was until he died in real life |
| 19:59.01 | mindjuju | Max Powers was an alias of homer s |
| 19:59.15 | mindjuju | Trent Steele was Max Powers closest and deerest friend |
| 19:59.24 | fungus | I know, but the names (other than the first one) do sound very porn like. |
| 19:59.43 | mindjuju | and Rusty Shakleford was the alias of dale gribble in king of the hill |
| 19:59.48 | mindjuju | ah |
| 19:59.51 | mindjuju | gotcha |
| 20:00.33 | herlo | personally, I wouldn't watch *anything* with 'Rusty' Shakleford in it. :) |
| 20:01.47 | mindjuju | o.O |
| 20:01.52 | mindjuju | :) |
| 20:04.16 | mindjuju | so i want to see my request take when i go to example.com and get thrown to anotherExample.com (via 301), i can curl -vvv that, can't i |
| 20:06.03 | herlo | sure |
| 20:18.25 | mindjuju | so herlo, i want to see a little more detail, like from curl to DNS, then curl to server, etc |
| 20:18.36 | mindjuju | is there a way to do that, or am i looking at sniff packets? |
| 20:19.16 | herlo | there probably is with curl. It's pretty verbose. |
| 20:19.29 | mindjuju | i'll look at the man more |
| 20:19.42 | herlo | mindjuju: now you are thinking like a sysadmin! :D |
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| 20:25.42 | SunSparc | ~man herlo |
| 20:25.42 | ibot | No manual entry for herlo |
| 20:26.03 | SunSparc | No soup for you! |
| 20:26.11 | herlo | ~man SunSparc |
| 20:26.11 | ibot | No manual entry for SunSparc |
| 20:26.18 | herlo | nor for you, SunSparc |
| 20:26.25 | SunSparc | :( |
| 20:26.47 | SunSparc | Well, that is alright. I am rather full at the moment anyway. |
| 20:26.51 | mindjuju | ~sunsparc |
| 20:26.52 | ibot | methinks sunsparc is A pandimensional being, or the internationalization specialist, or currently studying String Theory, or <3 7of9, or of the Clan of Duncan |
| 20:27.04 | herlo | SunSparc: as am I |
| 20:27.13 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:27.21 | SunSparc | man curl |
| 20:27.27 | SunSparc | ~man curl |
| 20:27.27 | ibot | No manual entry for curl |
| 20:27.33 | mindjuju | ibot, Sunsparc is also Muad'Dib |
| 20:27.33 | ibot | ACTION builds a really, really, really tall tower, climbs it, and drops large water balloons on is also Muad'Dib |
| 20:27.38 | SunSparc | ibot: Do you have an man entries? |
| 20:27.38 | ibot | yes, I have an man entries. |
| 20:27.56 | mindjuju | no ibot sunsparc is also Muad'Dib |
| 20:28.05 | mindjuju | o.O |
| 20:28.11 | mindjuju | O.o |
| 20:28.11 | fungus | ~man ls |
| 20:28.11 | ibot | No manual entry for ls |
| 20:28.17 | fungus | ~man man |
| 20:28.17 | ibot | No manual entry for man |
| 20:28.24 | mindjuju | ~sunsparc |
| 20:28.24 | ibot | hmm... sunsparc is A pandimensional being, or the internationalization specialist, or currently studying String Theory, or <3 7of9, or of the Clan of Duncan |
| 20:28.26 | herlo | ~fungus man |
| 20:28.30 | herlo | lol |
| 20:28.33 | SunSparc | ~man |
| 20:28.33 | ibot | Tem and Tain are the man. |
| 20:28.39 | mindjuju | ~beavis herlo |
| 20:28.45 | herlo | ~beat mindjuju |
| 20:28.45 | ibot | ACTION beats mindjuju with a very wet, sticky noodle |
| 20:28.49 | herlo | :D |
| 20:28.50 | mindjuju | psh posh |
| 20:28.56 | herlo | ~lol mindjuju |
| 20:28.56 | ibot | ACTION Laughs out Loud at mindjuju |
| 20:29.08 | mindjuju | ~frenchtaunt herlo |
| 20:29.08 | ibot | ACTION summons the french taunter! herlo is an English bedwetting type! |
| 20:29.21 | mindjuju | ~nosepick herlo |
| 20:29.21 | ibot | ACTION plucks herlo out of the nose of humanity and flicks him out the window! |
| 20:30.05 | SunSparc | mindjuju: How do you know about the Muad'Dib alias? |
| 20:30.17 | mindjuju | because i know all |
| 20:30.35 | herlo | SunSparc: at one point, I've seen it as well. SunSparc, we're observant here sometimes... |
| 20:30.38 | SunSparc | ibot: mindjuju noes all |
| 20:30.48 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:31.09 | SunSparc | I used to use the nick more often. |
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| 22:57.09 | HumanCell | Oh Wordpress genius ... if I were to try and upgrade a Wordpress install v2.8.4 ... will the database updates be applied properly? Or do I need to do it via multiple steps? |
| 23:04.56 | mindjuju | so HumanCell, there are actually several here that would fit that |
| 23:05.19 | mindjuju | ninnypants is WPSLC leader, tierra works on WP on behalf of bluehost |
| 23:05.38 | Bikerdan | I'm not a wordpress genius by any means, but I've never had to manually run db updates when upgrading. |
| 23:05.40 | HumanCell | I was assuming the one who felt they were the MOST genius would answer ... :-) |
| 23:05.41 | mindjuju | supernovia works for automattics |
| 23:06.14 | ninnypants | HumanCell: you should be able to just run updates |
| 23:06.15 | HumanCell | I've usually just installed the new version,a nd ran the update script ... but wasn't sure if v2.8.4 is too far back. |
| 23:06.26 | mindjuju | seems like there was one other person, but i've forgotten their name, i remember it starts with an M though |
| 23:06.37 | Bikerdan | Run what update script? |
| 23:06.39 | ninnypants | if it needs tables or columns it will add them but won't delete anything |
| 23:06.44 | Bikerdan | Are you manually updating? |
| 23:07.04 | Bikerdan | Or using the upgrade tool in the admin section? |
| 23:07.33 | HumanCell | svn |
| 23:07.47 | ninnypants | Bikerdan: it will usually confirm before doing db upgrades so you have an extra chance to back up |
| 23:08.02 | Bikerdan | Why not use the update link in the admin section? |
| 23:08.18 | ninnypants | Bikerdan: security |
| 23:08.30 | Bikerdan | Is that what is being referred to, the prompt? |
| 23:08.39 | HumanCell | "Run the usual wp-admin/upgrade.php and you're done." |
| 23:09.02 | HumanCell | Yeah ... I don't have sftp or ftp on the server. |
| 23:09.12 | ninnypants | Bikerdan: since he's pushing out with svn WordPress should recognize and have him run upgrade.php but he may just be auto running it |
| 23:09.20 | HumanCell | I'm also migrating ... server consolidation. |
| 23:09.41 | Bikerdan | I see. |
| 23:09.44 | HumanCell | I'll give it a try tonight, and see how it goes ... |
| 23:09.58 | Bikerdan | We don't want to run the auto update so we don't get out of sync with the repo? |
| 23:10.20 | ninnypants | HumanCell: you shouldn't have any issues. Since WP leaves the old columns and tables if there are any issues you should be able to roll back instantly |
| 23:10.34 | ninnypants | Bikerdan: yup |
| 23:11.02 | Bikerdan | Gotcha. I would always advise a database backup prior to the upgrade, if possible. |
| 23:11.09 | ninnypants | I'm sure that's one reason but many places don't want php to be able to edit/write php files for security reasons |
| 23:12.22 | HumanCell | So since I'm moving servers, I'll leave the old copy in place, and then simply svn the new WP, install template and plugins, copy the DB over and see how it goes! |
| 23:12.23 | HumanCell | THanks! |
| 23:12.39 | Bikerdan | Hope it goes smoothly. |
| 23:13.30 | Bikerdan | While I'm distracted, InsideSales is still hiring if anyone needs a new job. |
| 23:13.48 | Bikerdan | I've heard that they're paying extra attention to being "competitive" as far as salary goes. |
| 23:14.00 | Bikerdan | And we have openings on our R&D / Architecture team. |
| 23:14.59 | ninnypants | Bikerdan: when isn't InsideSales hiring? ;) |
| 23:15.11 | Bikerdan | Seriously. We're growing like mad. |
| 23:15.26 | Bikerdan | It doesn't look like we'll be stopping anytime soon. |
| 23:15.31 | mindjuju | that's good to know Bikerdan, what are the requirements? |
| 23:15.54 | Bikerdan | PHP, database... basically just a good head on your shoulders. |
| 23:16.19 | mindjuju | i know automattics is hiring |
| 23:16.37 | Bikerdan | We're doing things in Java / Hadoop, Salesforce.com, PHP, frontend... |
| 23:16.38 | mindjuju | heck! i'm doing some hiring, but it's for desktop support |
| 23:16.46 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I think InsideSales and Property Solutions are both basically hiring anyone they can get figuring they'll train once they have them on the inside |
| 23:17.00 | Bikerdan | Actually, InsideSales is being quite picky. |
| 23:17.10 | Bikerdan | I see lots of applicants come and go. |
| 23:17.24 | mindjuju | so Bikerdan, you work for insidesales which is related to property solutions? |
| 23:17.29 | ninnypants | mindjuju: what are the requirements on the one you're hiring for |
| 23:17.38 | Bikerdan | Don't know how that supposition came about. |
| 23:17.45 | Bikerdan | No |
| 23:17.46 | ninnypants | mindjuju: they're not related I don't think |
| 23:17.54 | mindjuju | oh gotcha |
| 23:18.12 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I just mentioned them both because both are hiring like crazy |
| 23:18.14 | mindjuju | ninnypants, the position is for Desktop Support Manager |
| 23:18.28 | Bikerdan | I think Property Solutions is hiring more because of turn-over. |
| 23:18.33 | mindjuju | ah gotcha |
| 23:18.35 | Bikerdan | We're hiring more because of growth. |
| 23:19.33 | ninnypants | so mindjuju what's the requirements for it though? I know someone who recently started looking for work but I'm not sure they'd be experienced enough |
| 23:20.33 | mindjuju | http://provo.craigslist.org/tch/3792525274.html |
| 23:20.37 | mindjuju | ninnypants^^ |
| 23:26.03 | mindjuju | anybody morbidly curious in reading an absolute train wreck of a situation: http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/kitchen-nightmare-comes-true-for-arizona-restaurant-owners-182329445.html |
| 23:26.26 | mindjuju | for the record, i'm a HUGE fan of Gordan Ramsay Kitchen Nightmares |
| 23:26.40 | mindjuju | prolly the only show i watched with some frequency back when we had tv |