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| 03:55.49 | ninnypants | $rlart |
| 03:55.49 | raifbot | takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays stevecoug in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed. |
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| 04:07.50 | UtahDave | is steve meyers around? |
| 04:08.38 | ninnypants | UtahDave: he didn't respond to being larted so I'm not sure |
| 04:08.42 | ninnypants | stevecoug: you around? |
| 04:09.07 | UtahDave | :) ah, should have realized he was stevecoug |
| 04:13.32 | ninnypants | anyone know of a good app for modifying track info in audio files? |
| 04:27.16 | stevecoug | UtahDave: I'm around now |
| 04:27.41 | UtahDave | cool. Did you happen to see my email? |
| 04:29.23 | stevecoug | yes, just replying now :) |
| 04:29.44 | stevecoug | I'll just it here instead |
| 04:29.57 | stevecoug | I ended up with someone else who wanted to present, and so I converted the python track into python/misc |
| 04:31.08 | UtahDave | that's cool. Sorry I couldn't commit sooner. |
| 04:31.32 | UtahDave | It's looking like it's going to be an awesome event! |
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| 14:53.23 | mahelious | mornin gents |
| 14:54.26 | TuxToaster | morning |
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| 14:55.39 | stirlingw | helloooo theerrreeee |
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| 15:13.22 | herlo | OMG, why is it snowing here? It's May 1! |
| 15:13.36 | davad | Is it snowing?! |
| 15:13.39 | josephscott | yep |
| 15:13.47 | davad | bleh |
| 15:14.46 | herlo | davad: not a lot, but enough to cover part of my deck and flowers at my house in Herriman |
| 15:14.58 | davad | ridiculous |
| 15:15.04 | josephscott | http://josephscott.org/archives/2013/05/may-snow/ |
| 15:15.26 | davad | lol |
| 15:16.05 | herlo | josephscott: it's already archived? :) |
| 15:16.32 | josephscott | dude, it is 2013, things move fast :-) |
| 15:16.37 | herlo | josephscott: you also forgot two very important words 'in Utah' :/ |
| 15:17.23 | josephscott | it snows in other places in May too, as my Canadian co-workers will no doubt remind me of |
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| 16:56.57 | unum | herlo: I thought you were moving out to california? |
| 16:58.19 | herlo | unum: that's old news. Never happened. |
| 16:58.26 | herlo | I've refuted this claim many times :) |
| 16:58.47 | unum | I remember it was a long time ago, but I guess I have been paying enough attention to notice the refutes |
| 16:59.01 | unum | were you able to sell your place at applegate? |
| 16:59.04 | herlo | you mean, haven't, I assume. :) |
| 16:59.10 | herlo | unum: nope. Renting it out atm |
| 16:59.28 | unum | ya I've been renting out my place at glendonway for almest three years now |
| 16:59.38 | herlo | making any money? |
| 17:01.14 | unum | no I'm losing money each month |
| 17:01.19 | unum | even more when it needs repairs |
| 17:01.34 | unum | if I could refinance I might make money or atleast break even with repairs |
| 17:01.59 | unum | losing money on my wife's condo now as well |
| 17:09.06 | herlo | yeah, repairs are a pita |
| 17:09.27 | herlo | unum: but I just use a property management company, so it's less hassle |
| 17:09.37 | herlo | and I am planning on refinancing this month, actually |
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| 17:12.49 | unum | I manage it myself briefly, terrible idea |
| 17:12.51 | unum | I'm too nice |
| 17:13.19 | unum | herlo: I'd be interested in hearing how the refinance works out for you |
| 17:15.53 | herlo | unum: yeah, you have to kind of be a jerk to be a landlord |
| 17:16.04 | herlo | unum: I'll update ya on the refi |
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| 17:17.20 | mgeary | herlo: does your pmc charge a flat rate, or a percentage of rent? |
| 17:21.52 | herlo | 10% of rent |
| 17:21.57 | herlo | flat rates are hard to find |
| 17:22.19 | herlo | 10% seems to be the norm, unless you can get a bulk discount for a condo complex or something |
| 17:23.40 | macnewbold | 10% isn't terrible, but that would mean I'd end up with about a $250/month loss on mine instead of ~$100-120/month typically |
| 17:40.28 | unum | mine charges the same |
| 17:40.51 | unum | the nice thing about 10% is it's incentive for them to get more out of the renter |
| 17:43.19 | herlo | indeed |
| 17:43.35 | herlo | macnewbold: what place are you renting out? |
| 17:43.41 | herlo | seems like a pricey venue |
| 17:44.42 | herlo | the real question to me is more about whether the hassle is worth doing it on my own. For me the answer is a definite 'no'. |
| 17:45.11 | herlo | I'm not an expert at managing properties. I'll let someone who is handle it for me. |
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| 20:08.27 | macnewbold | about 6 years ago we moved from sugarhouse to draper, but couldn't sell the house in time, so it's been rented ever since. it's a 4-bd single family home with a yard and garage. |
| 20:09.28 | herlo | oh, wow. sugarhouse is a nice area too. I can see why it cost so much :) |
| 20:09.40 | herlo | macnewbold: I was concerned you were renting out your draper home... |
| 20:10.41 | macnewbold | we currently get about $1200/mo for it, but we'd need at least 1300-1400 to break even with mortgage + property taxes |
| 20:11.03 | macnewbold | it's more sugarhood that sugarhouse, it's on 500E, not east of 1300E |
| 20:12.06 | macnewbold | we're doing it at a bit of a loss now because our renters have been pretty awesome. they're taking care of the place much better than the last 3 tenants we've had. |
| 20:12.52 | herlo | that's good |
| 20:12.56 | UtahDave | macnewbold: we got really lucky with our first renters. They've paid the first of the month every month and keep the place immaculate |
| 20:13.01 | herlo | having good renters is important |
| 20:17.48 | macnewbold | yeah, after our first, we had to repaint and recarpet the whole house. after the second, we had to repaint the whole house, and recarpet part iirc. after the third, we had to resurrect the lawn and clean a ton of cat hair out of the house. |
| 20:23.47 | MikeHansenMe | We do 3 month inspections on our rental property and it seems to keep tenants aware of cost they may incur but I will be facing new tenants soon and I am concerned they will not be as good. |
| 20:26.21 | herlo | MikeHansenMe: thus the reason I use a property management company. For that 10% cost, they do all of that for me. If the tenants aren't taking care of the place, the costs come out of the deposit. |
| 20:26.55 | MikeHansenMe | yea we use a property management as well and they do the inspection and send pictures but it has worked well so far |
| 20:26.57 | herlo | my costs are only about $120/month, I feel it's usually worth avoiding the hassle myself. |
| 20:27.11 | herlo | MikeHansenMe: ahh, cool. |
| 20:27.22 | MikeHansenMe | yes I agree mine are about $110 so 10% |
| 20:28.35 | MikeHansenMe | renting is still scary but a management company gives you some piece of mind |
| 20:29.43 | Oberon4278 | o/ |
| 20:34.51 | herlo | MikeHansenMe: indeed |
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| 21:04.13 | Oberon4278 | So... I forgot the password to Lone_Wanderer. |
| 21:09.07 | herlo | if only you could reset it somehow... |
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| 23:16.31 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:17.38 | TuxToaster | Oberon4278: you'd need to talk to someone to reset it manually, since a quick ns info tells me you don't have an email registered |
| 23:17.57 | TuxToaster | since apparently Freenode didn't require emails in 2004 |
| 23:19.10 | TuxToaster | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#sendpass |
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