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15:41.08Skinner1Happy 30th Birthday WWW
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15:42.31Skinner1err 20th
15:42.49Skinner1</>
15:42.57Skinner1</ Fat Finger >
15:42.59herlolol
15:43.07herlo~www Skinner1
15:43.15herlo~fatfinger Skinner1
15:43.19herlo:D
15:43.36SunSparcwww came out in 1993?
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15:44.01SunSparcI do not remember using it until 1994.
15:44.01skinneryup
15:44.15skinnerOn 30 April 1993, CERN announced that the World Wide Web would be free to anyone, with no fees due.
15:44.16SunSparcGood old NCSA Mosaic.
15:44.32skinnerNo more Gopher protocool
15:44.37skinner*protocol
15:44.54skinnerman I got the fat finger bad this morning
15:45.34josephscott~gopher++
15:45.54SunSparcHmm... protocool is for protocols that we think are awesome.
15:46.18SunSparcTCP is our favorite protocool.
15:46.50SunSparcLong has it been since I used archie, or veronica, or wais
15:49.24josephscott~udp++
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15:51.06josephscott~tcp++
15:51.35josephscottskinner: can you imagine what  different world this would be if they required a licensing fee for every web client and server?
15:51.45TuxToasteroi
15:51.49skinneryuck
15:52.37TuxToasterI hope as smart as techies are, they would have just built an alternative service
15:52.47skinnerYeah
15:52.59TuxToasterbut that spirit of doing that really didn't come out until recently
15:53.02josephscottperhaps
15:53.20josephscottbut only if it had ever gained enough traction for someone to thing that an alternative would have been worth it
15:53.35josephscottthen there would have been patent disputes and lawsuits
15:53.55TuxToasterand josephscott would be king of the BBS world
15:53.58TuxToaster:D
15:54.04josephscottyou know it :-)
15:54.47maheliouswould have been...late 94 or early 95 the first time i got on the web.
15:54.55josephscottI'd be whistling 33.6 modem negotiations on my way to work :-)
15:55.27josephscottI didn't get back to the US from AUS until 1994, so 94 for me as well
15:55.33TuxToasterback before I had computers with actual nics I used to have a mock leased line setup between a few computers in the house using their modems and a simple BBS
15:55.44TuxToasterwas easier than copying to and from floppies
15:55.50jsmithPlaying Doom with my roommates over null modem cables... those were the days...
15:57.01maheliousi do remember using an early release of netscape navigator.  first thing i did was search Generation X.  marvel had the entire first issue to read online.
15:57.43maheliousthen i got a Yahoo mail account.  Yahoooo!
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16:00.24SunSparcTuxToaster: What about good old Yankee ingenuity? That has been around much longer than the tubez. :)
16:02.12maheliousyankee ingenuity?  thats where we get a foreigner to ex-patriate, develop awesome technology and then brush them aside and claim it as our own?
16:02.24TuxToasternever was a fan of the Yankees.
16:02.25TuxToaster:P
16:05.10skinnerI remember playing "Dune" when it first got released on a CD in 1993.
16:06.53skinnerHad AOL and Juno email that I installed from a neighbors floppy.
16:06.54TuxToasterin '93 I was busy messing with qbasic, MS-DOS & a proprietary WM called DeskMate
16:06.59TuxToasterthen again, I was like 10.
16:07.02skinnerRunning on my 386.
16:07.34TuxToasterwe had Prodigy first, then AOL, but both of them were long distance since I lived in Price
16:07.35skinnerTuxToaster: when is your birthday?
16:07.46skinneroh yeah I remember Prodigy
16:07.47skinnerlol
16:08.02TuxToaster30 years and 20 days ago
16:08.03TuxToaster:P
16:08.13skinnernice
16:08.27skinnerI were 10 in '93 too.
16:08.35TuxToastermy brother ran up some nice phone bills going on prodigy and downloading jokes
16:09.13TuxToasterI was annoyed because the DOS versions of both didn't give you the real WWW, just their walled garden
16:10.07SunSparcTuxToaster: Good point, those Yankees have always been trouble.
16:10.08skinnerWe upgraded our 386 from 8MB of Ram to 16MB for around $250.
16:10.39SunSparcOh yeah, major RAM upgrades.  :)
16:11.11skinnerwe had an 8x cd-rom
16:11.15skinnerweeee!
16:11.22josephscottthe city of Provo apparently connects “operation of traffic lights and police and fire services” to the same fiber network that is connected to the Internet
16:11.38josephscottthat seems crazy to me
16:18.54TuxToasteryeah, doesn't seem like the brightest idea...
16:20.47ninnypantsespecially when they seem to always want other entities to own the fiber network
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16:36.38TuxToasterskinner: lol
16:36.54TuxToasterour first PC only had 1MB of RAM
16:36.55TuxToasterseriously.
16:36.59TuxToasterand it couldn't be upgraded
16:38.58TuxToasterhttp://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.oldskool.org/guides/tvdog/images/RSXSetupLarge.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.oldskool.org/guides/tvdog/RLRLX.html&h=1200&w=1600&sz=524&tbnid=wQKmrbEsfJyrHM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=121&zoom=1&usg=__M-rQ0yWV4DoApXotkav94sf90sY=&docid=Nez414KAKBRmrM&sa=X&ei=hvN_Ub3jGrGvigKOsIHQBw&ved=0CEIQ9QEwAQ&dur=4532
16:39.01TuxToasterlooked just like that one
16:39.20TuxToasterexcept that for a long time it didn't run Windows
16:40.12TuxToasterI actually got one of my teachers to let me copy Windows 3.1 from her machine onto floppies... took 28 I think.
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17:08.31maheliousfirst computer was an apple ][  I could play wheel of fortune and lode runner.  but the best thing was it had two floppy drives, so i could copy software for my friends.
17:08.48maheliouspiracy since '93!  w00t
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17:19.47herlorelating this back to the www conversation
17:23.07maheliousdo we get to vote?
17:23.41TuxToastermahelious: lol
17:23.54TuxToastergotta love the double floppies
17:24.00TuxToasterespecially since they never would run at the same time
17:24.04TuxToasterso it's back and forth copy
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17:24.15TuxToasterclondon: hola :-)
17:24.31clondonHola!
17:24.34clondonit's been awhile
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17:26.08TuxToasteryup
17:26.25clondonI just graduated from BYU with a BA in Music last week :)
17:26.32TuxToasteroh nice
17:26.35TuxToastercongrats
17:29.24clondonthanks
17:29.28clondonthinking of getting an MBA now
17:29.30clondonhow's Vivint?
18:10.20stirlingw@clondon congrats!
18:10.31clondonthanks!
18:10.35clondontook me 10 years ;)
18:10.58mindjuju_mahelious, i remember lode runner, that wsa the one with the ladders, right?
18:11.33maheliousmindjuju_: yep.  and you could shoot the floor to make pits
18:11.50mindjuju_i rmember the ladders and being able to make maps
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18:13.22stirlingwWell better than never. :)
18:18.13TuxToasterclondon: crazy as usual
18:18.48TuxToasterstart of summer.
18:18.50TuxToaster:P
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18:19.19clondonTuxToaster: are things progressing with Ember?
18:19.41TuxToasteryeah they've done some pretty cool stuff with it
18:21.59clondoncool
18:22.20clondonI miss it. I don't really have time to do non work projects so I don't get to play with Ember anymore
18:23.47TuxToasterI still haven't done much with it, since I'm mostly dealing with payment services and such now. I started a project with it one weekend to see how easily it would work, but ran into quirks on doing some simple stuff like loops with indexes
18:24.28TuxToasterI guess I just like foreach($array as $key => $value) too much
18:24.54TuxToasterand in ember, every example I found simply didn't work with my page
18:31.15clondonhaha yeah ember is quirky
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19:07.54TuxToasterhttp://9gag.com/gag/aOKwWvE?#_=_
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19:37.11utahconCan you extend an include_path via Apache VHost conf, or only overwrite it?
19:37.58jsmithutahcon: include_path=$include_path:/path/to/somewhere/else
19:38.28utahconjsmith: will try
19:38.29utahconthanks
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19:49.23carmonyIf anyone knows of any DevOps people with a strong Ops side, we're looking to hire one immediately at DDM :P
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21:30.39josephscott$rlart
21:30.39raifbotwielding the mighty hammer of Thor, Mjölnir, I summon lighting to destroy ibot.
21:32.18TuxToaster$lart josephscott
21:32.18raifbotmoos at josephscott.
21:32.26TuxToaster$8ball was that effective?
21:32.27raifbotTuxToaster - Without a doubt.
21:32.33TuxToaster$8ball wanna do it again?
21:32.33raifbotTuxToaster - Yes - definitely.
21:32.37TuxToaster$lart josephscott
21:32.37raifbotfollow's josephscott with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION.
21:32.43TuxToastermeh, should've mooed.
21:32.49josephscott$jedi TuxToaster
21:32.56josephscott$mindtrick TuxToaster
21:32.56raifbot(jedi hand wave) TuxToaster he can go about his business.
21:33.00TuxToasterwould've proven raifbot's intelligence
21:33.27josephscott$8ball are you hiding your true intelligence?
21:33.27raifbotjosephscott - Outlook not so good.
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