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| 15:20.17 | DexterTheDragon | everyone ready for the earthquake in an hour? http://shakeout.org/utah/ |
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| 15:24.25 | fungus | nah, too much work. |
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| 16:54.46 | mgeary | wow. |
| 16:54.48 | mgeary | really? |
| 16:54.53 | mgeary | Google Fiber coming to Provo!?!? |
| 16:55.50 | mgeary | you know. i did get a phone survey asking about google fiber |
| 16:56.02 | mgeary | i assumed it was nationwide, and didn't pay further attention |
| 16:56.20 | romanovic | they were talking about that in #utahmakers too http://www.provobuzz.com/watch-big-provo-announcement-live/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=watch-big-provo-announcement-live |
| 16:56.33 | romanovic | but this guy is skeptical http://www.freeutopia.org/2013/04/16/no-google-fiber-is-not-coming-to-provo/ |
| 16:56.36 | fungus | Provo? really. Totally lame |
| 16:56.40 | mgeary | hey |
| 16:57.39 | mgeary | you're just jealous |
| 16:58.05 | fungus | If you had Google Fiber, yeah, maybe. W/o it... No way. |
| 16:58.16 | TuxToaster | http://i.imgur.com/TgQhTNe.jpg |
| 16:58.23 | TuxToaster | because you *need* more glowing elements in your UI |
| 16:58.41 | fungus | I haven't seen any confirmed reports of Google Fiber in Orem from any reputable sources yet. |
| 16:59.11 | herlo | lol |
| 16:59.26 | fungus | Er Provo. Well same thing really. |
| 16:59.28 | josephscott | I wouldn't mind having Google Fiber in Sandy, but only if it makes it to my house :-) |
| 16:59.47 | TuxToaster | josephscott: ditto that |
| 16:59.50 | TuxToaster | but in WJ |
| 17:00.27 | fungus | SLC would make much better sense than Provo. |
| 17:00.41 | fungus | I mean really? who would want to live in Provo anyway. ;) |
| 17:10.12 | mgeary | well, i grant you that i wouldn't want to live in much of Provo |
| 17:10.23 | mgeary | but my little corner is quite delightful |
| 17:17.52 | itimber | hey guys |
| 17:18.13 | itimber | I'm having a tough time with something stupid-easy |
| 17:18.24 | itimber | facebook like button for a facebook page |
| 17:18.35 | itimber | and it works fine, unless you log out of FB |
| 17:19.09 | itimber | but I have another one that I put together ages ago, built the same way, for a website rather than a FB page, and it works even when logged out of FB |
| 17:19.33 | itimber | does anyone know why the FB Page requires an FB login? |
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| 18:33.10 | mindjuju | provobuzz site is down, FTL |
| 18:35.36 | herlo | fungus: lol |
| 18:35.51 | herlo | mgeary: but you live up on the bench and have an awesome view |
| 18:37.04 | mgeary | as i say, my corner is delightful |
| 18:39.25 | herlo | hehe |
| 18:40.52 | jsmith | mindjuju: When's the big announcement? |
| 18:41.48 | ninnypants | jsmith: today at 1:30MDT it looks like |
| 18:42.23 | mindjuju | hah! right hand meet left hand |
| 18:42.25 | mindjuju | http://www.provobuzz.com/ |
| 18:42.37 | jsmith | ninnypants: And the big announcement is -- that sewer blockages are down by 19% since 1965? |
| 18:42.44 | mindjuju | top post says BIG ANNOUNCEMENT! post beneath it says Google fiber to be announced |
| 18:42.58 | mindjuju | when you read the first post, it's all a big mystery too |
| 18:43.07 | mindjuju | HIL arious |
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| 18:48.43 | mindjuju | so i've got a question, perhaps better for #utah but i'll say it hear |
| 18:49.19 | mindjuju | but compare google fiber to utopia, it would seem utopia better allowing for actual free market as opposed to being beheld to just one supplier like comcrap or qwerst? |
| 18:49.34 | mindjuju | or am i misunderstanding something? |
| 18:49.50 | mgeary | i think you a word or two |
| 18:50.22 | mgeary | but i will say that my interactions with utopia have been rather frustrating |
| 18:50.32 | mindjuju | utopia is better than google fiber |
| 18:50.38 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I'm not sure it made a big difference because you only had veracity |
| 18:50.39 | mindjuju | that's the part that should be inserted |
| 18:50.59 | mindjuju | i thought xmission was doing utopia too? |
| 18:51.13 | ninnypants | not in provo |
| 18:51.18 | tierra | within Utopia cities, yes |
| 18:52.03 | mgeary | the thing that made me maddest about Utopia was this comment from them: "We're not seeing enough signups for our gold plan, people seem to think that the silver plan is good enough for them, so we're going to stop allowing businesses to have the silver plan" |
| 18:52.03 | mindjuju | so mgeary, has utopia not been very good? |
| 18:52.16 | mgeary | mindjuju: i've not been very happy |
| 18:52.38 | mindjuju | so mgeary, didn't you have a problem with the landlord who was doing something funky there anyway? |
| 18:52.53 | mgeary | we have to pay $500+/month for a 6mb "dedicated" connection, whose "dedication" seems very suspect to me. I don't think we've ever seen more than 2mb/sec upload |
| 18:52.55 | mindjuju | or are you dealing directly with utopia? |
| 18:53.05 | mgeary | landlord's in the mix too, yes |
| 18:53.08 | mindjuju | serious? |
| 18:53.19 | mindjuju | that stinks :( (about the transfer rate) |
| 18:53.24 | mgeary | yep. because it's a "dedicated" line. Whooo. Admire me |
| 18:53.45 | mgeary | i'd 100x rather have a 25mb/sec "shared" line, since Utopia isn't over provisioned anyways |
| 18:54.12 | mindjuju | i wonder if google fiber will go to orem? |
| 18:55.39 | mindjuju | i hope something happens to Orem |
| 18:55.45 | mindjuju | i don't think i can move further south |
| 18:56.14 | captbrogers | I hope they move south, I'm stuck with DSL in Springville |
| 18:57.01 | SunSparc | What if we started OpenFiber? OpenSource infrastructure... |
| 18:57.21 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:59.57 | mindjuju | well, we'll soon find out :) |
| 19:06.19 | fungus | mindjuju, from a free-market, philosophical point of view, Utopia is "better" than Google Fiber. It provides good speeds with lots of market competition and choice. |
| 19:07.04 | mindjuju | see, that's what i was thinkin |
| 19:07.05 | mindjuju | g |
| 19:07.12 | fungus | However in terms of a practical/technical/implementation point of view, Google Fiber is "better". It provides Gigabit speeds at much cheaper than Utopia, better coverage, and faster rollouts |
| 19:08.01 | mindjuju | hmm, so how does it behoove google to be so kind? i'm guessing they get to track ALL page requests everywhere? |
| 19:08.45 | fungus | Google gets a quasi-monopoly on the ISP market in said areas. |
| 19:09.27 | fungus | They get higher visibility for their other products. |
| 19:09.30 | fungus | etc. |
| 19:09.42 | fungus | Oh, and lots and lots of good PR |
| 19:10.35 | mindjuju | and tracking? |
| 19:10.57 | fungus | IMHO, Utopia is only struggling due to lack of funding, and poor operations (partly due to lack of funding). |
| 19:11.07 | mindjuju | don't get me wrong, i'd love high speed internet and ponies and ice cream socials and rainbows, but i'm worried about tracking |
| 19:11.21 | fungus | Blame city governments and the Qwest/Comcast lobby. |
| 19:12.06 | mindjuju | i mean, i guess i can just tunnel to a high speed VPN somewhere and be done and happy |
| 19:12.15 | fungus | Google Fiber doesn't mean they track more than any other ISP. They just make it easier for you to want to enable tracking options. |
| 19:12.18 | SunSparc | ~tor |
| 19:12.18 | ibot | hmm... tor is a network of virtual tunnels that allows people and groups to improve their privacy and security on the Internet. See tor.eff.org |
| 19:12.54 | fungus | Having Google Fiber means Google will push Chrome more heavily, push it's other products, etc. Not required. |
| 19:12.58 | mindjuju | i don't think xmission tracks where you go and if i recall they dump the data shortly thereafter |
| 19:13.18 | mindjuju | and even if xmission did keep the data, they couldn't feed it or wouldn't i would think, into google adsense |
| 19:14.18 | fungus | By choosing Google Fiber doesn't require you to be tracked. It just means Google has a direct communication channel to you to advertise their products that do include tracking. |
| 19:14.20 | mindjuju | i don't know, maybe it's the fox mulder -- too much xfiles on the brain-- but i worry about jumping from the pan to the fire |
| 19:15.20 | SunSparc | Google is the new evil empire, set to take over the digital world!!! |
| 19:15.28 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:16.08 | fungus | lol, I think it's funny that now Microsoft has lost much of it's relevance, many people are looking for another "evil empire" to scorn. |
| 19:16.37 | fungus | It seems kind of split between Google, Facebook, and Apple so far. |
| 19:17.30 | mindjuju | i dont' hate google, i actually like it a lot |
| 19:17.39 | mindjuju | i just want to be careful |
| 19:18.06 | SunSparc | ... and the Facebook, and the Apple, and the Amazon... |
| 19:18.45 | mindjuju | please pardon the expression, but i wonder if hillbillies loved ATT for bringing the phone to their part of the country, fast forward a hundred years and they are loathed |
| 19:23.24 | fungus | mindjuju, I agree there should be some concern, but not outright conspiracy theory level. |
| 19:23.46 | SunSparc | At least, not under current management. :) |
| 19:23.57 | fungus | I would worry more about monopoly practices with Google Fiber vs. tracking |
| 19:27.06 | mindjuju | yeah, there is that too |
| 19:27.26 | mindjuju | but if i had to put one before the other, i'd put privacy before monopoly |
| 19:27.34 | mindjuju | but that's purely subjective |
| 19:27.48 | mindjuju | oh btw, popeyes opens in 2 days |
| 19:27.50 | mindjuju | just saying |
| 19:28.01 | fungus | But there is much higher risk of monopoly vs privacy |
| 19:28.06 | mindjuju | trying not to focus on anything that isn't work, school or openwest, but popeyes is opening |
| 19:28.10 | mindjuju | 28hrs |
| 19:28.40 | fungus | Example: Kansas City gave tons of concessions to Google that it doesn't give to any other Telco/Cable company. |
| 19:29.04 | mindjuju | yeah, true |
| 19:29.15 | mindjuju | i saw that thing ATT posted about putting fiber in austin |
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| 19:29.46 | fungus | There has been no evidence of increased anti-privacy actions from Google Fiber. |
| 19:30.37 | mindjuju | those folks at google are REALLY smarties, i think they're looking 10 steps down the road |
| 19:31.28 | fungus | exactly. which is why you should pay attention, but not go overboard with the big brother accusations. |
| 19:32.28 | fungus | BTW, I absolutely love my faster Comcast connection. 50/10 is amazing. |
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| 19:40.31 | TuxToaster | Google Fiber it is :P |
| 19:40.49 | mgeary | WOOT!!! |
| 19:41.45 | jsmith | Best corporate email subject of the day: "ATTN WINDOWS USERS: UNINSTALL UPDATE KB2823324 IMMEDIATELY" |
| 19:41.55 | jsmith | It's days like today that I just smile, delete the email, and move on :-) |
| 19:43.14 | herlo | fungus: how much does that connection cost? |
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| 19:47.02 | TuxToaster | jsmith: ha |
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| 19:55.46 | fungus | herlo, only $80 |
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| 20:00.19 | DexterTheDragon | so I'm guessing google is taking over iProvo and not going to be working with Utopia? |
| 20:00.34 | fungus | yup |
| 20:00.41 | wGEric | https://fiber.google.com/cities/provo/ |
| 20:01.31 | DexterTheDragon | well maybe google being in provo will be a kick in the pants for other cities to work with Utopia better |
| 20:02.20 | josephscott | not if comcast and qwest can stop them |
| 20:05.44 | josephscott | I'm sure the NSA DC folks are thrilled to have google fiber so close to their new facility :-) |
| 20:05.54 | josephscott | I wonder if that played a part in this |
| 20:08.00 | josephscott | oh, and bluehost, I imagine they are excited about this |
| 20:09.46 | jsmith | josephscott: Not me :-( |
| 20:10.08 | ninnypants | I don't think they can offer service to businesses yet |
| 20:10.13 | josephscott | well, you know, the bluehost folks who actually live in the same state as bluehost the company :-) |
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| 20:10.34 | jsmith | josephscott: Yeah, there's that :-p |
| 20:10.38 | josephscott | ninnypants: I wasn't thinking of it from that angle, more like more people online is better for them |
| 20:10.51 | ninnypants | I wonder if I will pay less for a gigabit connection than I am for 30/30 |
| 20:10.55 | ninnypants | josephscott: true |
| 20:11.04 | josephscott | and possible peering arrangements |
| 20:11.10 | ninnypants | I just usually think of people already having internet |
| 20:11.31 | josephscott | I'd imagine bluehost would love to have a network peering point with google fiber |
| 20:12.25 | wGEric | ninnypants: SLTrib is reporting that in Kansas they pay $70 a month for a gigabit connection |
| 20:12.33 | mgeary | yeah |
| 20:12.36 | mgeary | i'd be all over that |
| 20:12.48 | mgeary | though i'd be even MORE all over $35/month for 500mbsec |
| 20:13.29 | ninnypants | mgeary: yeah I don't really want to add even more to my internet bill just to get above 5m |
| 20:13.59 | fungus | 5? you don't want to go above 5M are you insane? |
| 20:14.31 | tierra | that's asking for trouble |
| 20:14.47 | tierra | we need new speed limits imposed on the Internet! |
| 20:14.54 | fungus | lol |
| 20:15.00 | tierra | these are neighborhood roads! |
| 20:15.05 | tierra | my kids play out there! |
| 20:15.16 | SunSparc | DexterTheDragon: That is my hope as well. Utopia has been sitting at the end of my block for years. |
| 20:15.27 | fungus | lol, kids go faster than most adults |
| 20:16.22 | DexterTheDragon | SunSparc: it's only like 10 grand to trench it the rest of the way |
| 20:16.36 | josephscott | ~buy a trencher |
| 20:16.36 | ibot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen trenchers for a |
| 20:16.36 | ninnypants | fungus: I'm not saying I only want 5m I just don't really want to pay $20 more |
| 20:16.49 | fungus | that's still crazy talk. |
| 20:16.49 | josephscott | ~buy SunSparc trecher |
| 20:16.49 | ibot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen trechers for SunSparc |
| 20:16.58 | ninnypants | but I'll definitely upgrade to 1Gb |
| 20:17.21 | SunSparc | DexterTheDragon: I know, what is the big deal? |
| 20:17.44 | SunSparc | josephscott: Perfect! I will make it easy for them. |
| 20:18.11 | josephscott | parallel trenching :-) |
| 20:18.34 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:18.59 | herlo | fungus: okay. I might be interested if I can get my company to pick up the tab... |
| 20:19.49 | fungus | Heh, my company picks up my tab. but even if they didn't I'd still pay for it. |
| 20:23.10 | DexterTheDragon | SunSparc: ninnypants: other space peeps: Orbital Sciences is targeting their first launch in 40 minutes http://www.nasa.gov/ntv |
| 20:23.28 | SunSparc | DexterTheDragon: Woot!! |
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| 20:48.45 | SunSparc | Dang, mission got aborted. |
| 20:49.17 | DexterTheDragon | guess like SpaceX, Orbital can't launch first go either |
| 20:50.06 | SunSparc | Yep :) |
| 20:50.15 | SunSparc | Better safe than sorry. |
| 20:51.47 | herlo | ninnypants: if you live in provo and can get google fiber. You likely will pay less than anything else. KC customers paid $300 for 6 years |
| 20:53.42 | shalkie | If it gets approved it would be a 7 year term and the "free" service is a max of 5Mb/s. Still I would give serious consideratio to forking $70 for "up to a gigabit" connection. |
| 20:53.51 | shalkie | s/tio /tion / |
| 21:08.11 | Skinner | s/ol /olly / |
| 21:08.39 | Skinner | s/s\/ol /whut? |
| 21:08.54 | Skinner | s/s\/ol /whut? / |
| 21:12.36 | mgeary | wow. First Google fiber community meeting is at my kids' school, where i'm on the community council |
| 21:12.39 | mgeary | tomorrow |
| 21:12.54 | mgeary | ….with no time posted |
| 21:28.04 | carmony | I love wordpress normally... but I hate wordpress when a box has been left not-updated for a long time and I need to figure out how to get it updated |
| 21:33.20 | SunSparc | fungus: Good comment on plug. |
| 21:33.44 | fungus | thx |
| 21:33.46 | SunSparc | ~update carmony |
| 21:35.45 | carmony | what comment? >.> <.< |
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| 21:38.09 | SunSparc | carmony: A clarification on what Utopia is to someone who was misinformed. |
| 21:39.09 | SunSparc | carmony: Updating Wordpress is not usually all that hard, unless there has been a lot of customization outside of the user customization folders. |
| 21:40.37 | carmony | well there were 30+ plugins out of date |
| 21:40.43 | carmony | and a few core version behind |
| 21:40.54 | carmony | and I wanted the auto-updated to manage it for me |
| 21:40.58 | carmony | and it was failing to run |
| 21:41.37 | DexterTheDragon | 30+ plugins is crazy, even by my standards |
| 21:47.26 | josephscott | carmony: what was the failure? |
| 21:48.22 | carmony | josephscott: file permission issue I think |
| 21:48.45 | carmony | like it had an auto-update download already |
| 21:48.55 | carmony | that couldn't extract |
| 21:49.03 | carmony | and I would just get a blank screen |
| 22:08.38 | SunSparc | carmony: Yeah, I have run into permission issues on WP a lot when trying the auto update stuff. Seems the utility wants very lax permissions to run. |
| 22:09.42 | carmony | yeah |
| 22:10.05 | carmony | found a script we wrote that "laxes" the permissions a ton and then tightens them after the update is done |
| 22:17.16 | josephscott | guess that depends on your server setup |
| 22:17.22 | josephscott | I've not had a problem keeping tight perms |
| 22:21.04 | DexterTheDragon | I find a smaller rod is better at producing a tight perm |
| 22:21.55 | DexterTheDragon | but wrapping the hair properly is also important |
| 22:30.10 | SunSparc | :D |
| 22:30.50 | SunSparc | DexterTheDragon: You should post some pictures of your tight perm. lol |
| 22:33.42 | josephscott | ~perm DexterTheDragon |
| 22:33.50 | josephscott | $suggest perm |
| 22:33.51 | raifbot | josephscott suggestions for 'perm' : permutation, permethrin, permaculture, permit practice test, permutations and combinations, permeability, perm, permit test, permatex, permanent makeup |
| 22:34.29 | SunSparc | ~permanent makeup DexterTheDragon |
| 22:35.18 | DexterTheDragon | I'll take permethrin for $100, Alex |
| 22:47.56 | SunSparc | ~permethrin |
| 22:55.33 | carmony | my git-foo is failing me, and my brain doesn't want to cooperate |
| 22:59.34 | josephscott | ~git carmony |
| 22:59.34 | ibot | ACTION declares carmony a total smeghead |
| 23:00.01 | josephscott | hmmm, didn't expect that |
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