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| 03:42.32 | mindjuju | poor mgeary, working the late shift :( |
| 03:42.39 | mgeary | heya mindjuju |
| 03:42.50 | mgeary | yep. gotta get a few things done yet |
| 03:42.58 | mgeary | making up for being on vacation the last 5 days |
| 03:43.05 | mgeary | had an awesome trip to SF, though |
| 03:43.17 | mindjuju | yeah? ah was just going to ask where yall went |
| 03:43.32 | mindjuju | i've always wanted to go to fisherman's wharf, isn't that in SF? |
| 03:47.14 | mgeary | yeap |
| 03:47.21 | mgeary | we spent a fun day along the wharf |
| 03:47.30 | mindjuju | i'm jealous |
| 03:47.54 | mgeary | and another day biking along the wharf, across the GG bridge, through Sausalito, up into the redwoods, and down to Tiburon |
| 03:47.58 | mgeary | really good times |
| 03:52.43 | herlo | mgeary: there isn't any more skiing for me this year :( |
| 03:52.54 | mgeary | herlo: you get injured? |
| 03:53.06 | herlo | no |
| 03:53.17 | mgeary | i was just thinking we might be able to squeeze in one last day/night up at Brighton... |
| 03:53.18 | herlo | just haven't the $$ |
| 03:53.33 | mgeary | aha. tight times |
| 03:53.36 | herlo | legal fees have been killing me over the past month |
| 03:53.40 | mgeary | legal fees?? |
| 03:53.42 | herlo | two months |
| 03:53.47 | herlo | yeah, pm |
| 03:59.27 | UtahDave | Dang, I don't have any Web 3.0 functionality on my site. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YlLD-XE64To#t=866s |
| 04:00.28 | herlo | UtahDave: work on that! |
| 04:00.31 | herlo | :D |
| 04:00.37 | UtahDave | I'm doing my best!! |
| 04:00.41 | UtahDave | :) |
| 04:01.06 | herlo | :) |
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| 15:53.48 | beandog | Hmm |
| 15:53.57 | beandog | What's a command that can create hash sums on Linux and BSD |
| 15:54.00 | beandog | ... |
| 15:54.45 | josephscott | beandog: you thinking something like md5sum? |
| 15:54.59 | beandog | yah except BSD doesn't have md5sum |
| 15:55.04 | beandog | and linux doesn't have md5 |
| 15:55.05 | josephscott | should have md5 |
| 15:55.28 | beandog | nopes |
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| 15:56.05 | josephscott | beandog: on BSD it probably just uses openssl, so may need to make sure that is installed |
| 15:56.21 | beandog | Ships with openssl natively |
| 15:56.36 | josephscott | and doesn't have the md5 command? |
| 15:56.40 | josephscott | which BSD is this? |
| 15:57.13 | beandog | OpenBSD has md5, not md5sum |
| 15:57.25 | josephscott | right, that is what I said :-) |
| 15:57.28 | beandog | Ubuntu and FreeBSD have md5sum |
| 15:57.41 | beandog | but not md5 |
| 15:57.42 | josephscott | Linux - md5sum |
| 15:57.45 | josephscott | BSD - md5 |
| 15:57.47 | beandog | Yah |
| 15:57.50 | beandog | I need the same binary |
| 15:58.32 | josephscott | curious, why do you need the exact same binary across all of them just to generate an md5 hash? |
| 15:58.49 | beandog | Bah, I got those mixed up. I was in the wrong box. FreeBSD and OpenBSD have md5, but not md5sum. Ubuntu has md5sum but not md5 |
| 15:59.03 | beandog | josephscott: so I don't have have to write this script to check for different systems |
| 15:59.20 | beandog | I'm running it on OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Ubuntu, CentOS and Gentoo |
| 15:59.27 | beandog | The less hackery the better |
| 15:59.42 | beandog | there's gotta be something similar between all of them |
| 16:00.23 | josephscott | beandog: ok, so don't need same binary, but would be nice to save you a few lines of code |
| 16:00.33 | josephscott | do all of your systems have openssl installed? |
| 16:00.33 | beandog | yah |
| 16:00.36 | beandog | yah |
| 16:00.39 | josephscott | http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/1523/quickly-generate-an-md5-hash-for-a-text-string-using-openssl |
| 16:00.44 | josephscott | then just use openssl |
| 16:01.15 | josephscott | http://www.madboa.com/geek/openssl/#digest-file |
| 16:02.59 | beandog | Oh man, that is brilliant. Gives the same output syntax too |
| 16:03.00 | beandog | :D |
| 16:03.04 | beandog | thanks a ton josephscott |
| 16:03.06 | beandog | that's great |
| 16:03.08 | josephscott | yep |
| 16:03.34 | josephscott | many of the BSDs just map the 'md5' command to openssl any wya |
| 16:03.38 | josephscott | way |
| 16:03.39 | beandog | I had no idea openssl could do that |
| 16:10.09 | fungus | beandog, are you sure that having a mixed environment isn't really a big deal? ;) |
| 16:11.00 | fungus | writing *portable* shell scripts is a PITA. |
| 16:11.16 | beandog | fungus: These are really tiny scripts |
| 16:11.38 | fungus | right, but it's still extra work. |
| 16:12.16 | beandog | I don't mind |
| 16:12.30 | beandog | I should write all of these to run on bourne shell |
| 16:12.40 | beandog | using bash for now |
| 16:12.42 | fungus | hehe, you could. |
| 16:13.21 | fungus | I recommend using openssl like josephscott said, but there is another alternative. Symlink md5 to md5sum on the other systems. |
| 16:14.31 | beandog | meh |
| 16:14.33 | beandog | too much work |
| 16:14.35 | beandog | :) |
| 16:14.38 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 16:14.39 | raifbot | stuffs kendsnyder1 into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it. |
| 16:14.41 | beandog | Besides, they have different output |
| 16:14.54 | TuxToaster | beandog: ln -s is too much work? |
| 16:14.57 | TuxToaster | ~lart beandog |
| 16:14.57 | ibot | gives beandog a good seeing to |
| 16:16.15 | beandog | how do you source a file with sh |
| 16:16.23 | beandog | Just run it? |
| 16:16.34 | fungus | . filename |
| 16:16.56 | beandog | Hmm |
| 16:16.58 | beandog | Ok |
| 16:17.02 | fungus | I think "source filename" works too. Or was that a csh thing? |
| 16:17.55 | beandog | dunno |
| 16:18.01 | beandog | I know each shell is different |
| 16:18.11 | beandog | which makes it exciting / interesting / frustrating |
| 16:18.14 | beandog | depending on what you're working on |
| 16:18.27 | fungus | I'm pretty sure bash works with both "source" and "." |
| 16:18.37 | fungus | at least my tests work with both. |
| 16:19.25 | beandog | yah |
| 16:20.45 | beandog | Hmm |
| 16:20.53 | beandog | I thought touch had an option to truncate a file |
| 16:22.49 | fungus | not that I know of. It's just for changing dates on files. |
| 16:23.37 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:25.08 | fungus | or even `cp /dev/null file` |
| 16:26.56 | beandog | yah |
| 16:32.25 | beandog | why you gotta make things so simple, fungus? |
| 16:32.46 | fungus | because that's my life goal. |
| 16:32.52 | fungus | :) |
| 16:33.54 | fungus | "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." - Einstein |
| 16:34.45 | josephscott | true that |
| 16:34.59 | josephscott | bummer that making things simple is so hard :-) |
| 16:35.15 | fungus | can be for sure. |
| 16:38.10 | fungus | minor pet peeve: rsync -rlptgoD -e /usr/bin/ssh |
| 16:38.21 | fungus | just use: rsync -a |
| 16:38.32 | herlo | heh |
| 16:38.46 | herlo | I think being explicit is someone's goal there |
| 16:39.01 | herlo | man pages should discourage not using -a |
| 16:39.41 | fungus | I disagree. -a has purpose and a meaning. It makes things simple and clear. |
| 16:40.27 | herlo | fungus: what do you disagree with? |
| 16:40.36 | mindjuju | i like switchs that spell words |
| 16:40.43 | mindjuju | like rsync -Wave |
| 16:40.47 | herlo | mindjuju: like netstat -planetu |
| 16:41.07 | mindjuju | exactly |
| 16:41.10 | herlo | fungus: I might have used a double negative to confuse you :) |
| 16:41.11 | fungus | oh, wait, missed your "not" in your comment about man pages. |
| 16:41.14 | fungus | I do agree |
| 16:41.15 | herlo | hehe |
| 16:41.42 | herlo | okay, I feel better. I thought we were going for consensus and then you *blatantly* avoided it! |
| 16:41.59 | herlo | which was weird |
| 16:42.20 | fungus | yup, i was confused too, so I re-read more carefully |
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| 16:44.28 | herlo | aye |
| 16:44.55 | fungus | interesting. kind of useful. |
| 16:45.22 | herlo | they should make a --planetu switch :) |
| 16:45.31 | fungus | hehe |
| 16:45.37 | herlo | but that'd be more typing |
| 16:48.06 | fungus | I mostly just use -pntl, -pnul, -an, or -rn depending on what I am looking for |
| 16:48.31 | herlo | -e is almost always useful |
| 16:48.34 | herlo | imo |
| 16:49.32 | fungus | possibly. usually the -p gives me enough info to already know what the UID would be anyway. |
| 16:50.52 | herlo | true |
| 16:50.59 | herlo | a lot of times, I'm looking for port info |
| 16:51.15 | herlo | or user running it |
| 16:51.50 | herlo | it's been a while since I've not used -e actually. Would have to verify what is included... |
| 17:11.40 | mindjuju | herlo, you use -e to specify remote shell |
| 17:18.40 | herlo | for netstat? no |
| 17:24.48 | fungus | mindjuju, using -e with rsync is almost never necessary. Extremely rare. |
| 17:30.39 | herlo | I tend to use it when I like to be explicit, like in scripts. |
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| 17:35.50 | mindjuju | this is in a script |
| 17:38.15 | herlo | mindjuju: sure, but we weren't actually discussing rsync previously. :) |
| 17:40.25 | mindjuju | with OpenWest conference starting in less than a month, /me is traveling at near lightspeed -- time dilation and all of that kind of thing |
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| 17:42.03 | herlo | heh :) |
| 17:46.05 | beandog | ~warp mindjuju |
| 17:46.05 | ibot | ACTION drops mindjuju into a warp-powered spaceship travelling at warp 9.9 |
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| 17:50.20 | mindjuju | hmm, that's improbable ibot |
| 17:51.06 | mindjuju | at 9x the speed of light, chances are you're not going to be able to note the moment appropriate to "drop" me into a spaceship |
| 17:55.38 | TuxToaster | ~8ball can you do it? |
| 17:55.38 | ibot | No. |
| 17:55.44 | TuxToaster | well, there you go. |
| 17:57.51 | mahelious | simon pegg can do it, surely ibot could. just needs a confidence boost. |
| 17:57.55 | mahelious | ~ibot++ |
| 18:04.48 | mindjuju | mahelious, i hate to be technical, but i think the Enterprise was traveling at warp 4, because nero was traveling at warp 3 |
| 18:05.29 | mindjuju | i think at that time, warp 4 was the max, its not until the Next Degradation that they can go Warp 9+ |
| 18:05.32 | mindjuju | AFAIK |
| 18:09.32 | herlo | mindjuju: why do you hate TNG so? |
| 18:10.12 | jsmith | mindjuju: How very logical of you |
| 18:11.33 | herlo | jsmith: what are you doing here?! :D |
| 18:11.36 | herlo | long time |
| 18:14.42 | jsmith | herlo: After a week off of IRC for vacation and a conference, I had to come back to hang out with my friends |
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| 18:15.57 | DC | S5MyRO1mdHM6sgGWkia2FQ |
| 18:15.58 | herlo | \o/ |
| 18:17.01 | DC | my bad |
| 18:17.14 | herlo | lol |
| 18:17.50 | mindjuju | oh darn it, and that looked like a great password too |
| 18:18.24 | TuxToaster | until the day you're tired and can't type |
| 18:18.27 | TuxToaster | :P |
| 18:18.45 | mindjuju | heh |
| 18:18.47 | mindjuju | touche |
| 18:18.55 | herlo | you know, if you use it, nobody will figure out that you got it from here |
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| 18:20.18 | TuxToaster | herlo: so.... "n3v3r g0nn4 g1v3 y0u up"? |
| 18:20.27 | herlo | TuxToaster: you know you sang that |
| 18:20.31 | herlo | TuxToaster: not odd enough |
| 18:20.57 | mindjuju | so, i'm just wondering here, if we're going for unguessable couldn't you do something like |
| 18:21.05 | mindjuju | ...../.... |
| 18:21.16 | TuxToaster | probably. |
| 18:21.18 | mindjuju | and save your brain cells and fingers? |
| 18:22.56 | mahelious | "Your password must have at least one letter (uppercase and lowercase), one number and one squiggly line. Please try again." |
| 18:23.32 | mindjuju | aA1!..... |
| 18:23.37 | mindjuju | heh |
| 18:24.53 | mahelious | have to create a new account for my new cc. "Your username must start with a letter, have a number, have one uppercase letter and one lowercase letter (Usernames are not case-sensitive)." |
| 18:25.10 | mahelious | Not the password, the username. It's insanity. |
| 18:25.24 | TuxToaster | http://cl.ly/image/3B1p1g3d0E0E |
| 18:26.06 | mahelious | #1 reason not to buy into MS Surface. Doodle passwords. lol |
| 18:26.24 | mahelious | ~TuxToaster++ |
| 18:26.46 | TuxToaster | mahelious: so get this... I've had two different websites (both big banks, mind you) that rejected my typical password format that includes uppercase characters and symbols |
| 18:27.19 | TuxToaster | and in both cases they only accepted it after I removed those leaving just mixed letters and numbers (which results in a shorter password) |
| 18:27.23 | TuxToaster | talk about security |
| 18:28.00 | mahelious | its stupid. but the thing that really makes me want to yell is the supposed "two-factor authentication" |
| 18:28.31 | mahelious | if you ask me for something only I would know, and then ask me for something else only I would know, it's not two-factor, it's just redundant. |
| 18:28.32 | TuxToaster | you mean the one where I can be logging into a site from my phone, and receive the text message right on the device? |
| 18:28.37 | TuxToaster | so if someone steals my phone.. |
| 18:28.46 | TuxToaster | mahelious: ah that. |
| 18:28.47 | mahelious | no, thats actually two-factor. |
| 18:29.15 | TuxToaster | yeah, but kinda moot if the message is received by the device you're logging in from. but at least it's two factor. |
| 18:29.24 | TuxToaster | yeah, the site key stuff is silly |
| 18:29.26 | mahelious | the one thats like "Please enter your password. To make sure its you, tell us the maiden name of the first girl you kissed and her cousins first high school" |
| 18:29.41 | TuxToaster | or the ones that show you a picture only you would know |
| 18:29.58 | mahelious | ha. those are a riot. |
| 18:30.25 | TuxToaster | which, if I were to want to try and phish you, I'd make it so the site actually submitted whatever credentials you gave me to your bank's website and show you whatever they show me. |
| 18:30.46 | mahelious | Please tell us which picture describes you best, the hockey stick, the squirrel, the tortoise eating a daisy or the hermit plotting revenge" |
| 18:30.48 | TuxToaster | so yeah, they don't provide much |
| 18:30.52 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:31.06 | TuxToaster | and yeah, the secret question stuff I only like if they let you provide your own question |
| 18:31.40 | TuxToaster | because, I'm sorry, but I don't want my family being able to reset every account I create because they know what street I grew up on or my mother's maiden name. |
| 18:31.45 | mahelious | im just waiting for the website that decides to integrate captchas into the password policy |
| 18:31.56 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:32.11 | TuxToaster | some already do close enough if they think you're trying too much |
| 18:32.34 | TuxToaster | but yeah... "you must use at least one non-printable character that is not machine readable." |
| 18:32.46 | mahelious | lol |
| 18:33.46 | TuxToaster | http://cl.ly/image/273e0P2r3a3u |
| 18:35.00 | TuxToaster | hope you have a Star Wars language pack installed.. |
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| 18:40.47 | beandog | mahelious: which bank |
| 18:42.32 | mahelious | i consider them all gross offenders, but amex and lowes stand out as particularly bad. |
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| 18:45.04 | captbrogers | Global bank run? |
| 18:45.05 | fungus | I use apg to tell me what my mother's maiden name is and what street I grew up on. |
| 18:46.46 | josephscott | :-) |
| 18:46.49 | fungus | as long as you have a good, trusted, encrypted, backed up storage for it, it gives you much better security. |
| 18:47.02 | jsmith | fungus: You grew up on "Second North Street West"? That's just two blocks from where I grew up! |
| 18:47.17 | josephscott | $8ball did fungus grow up on /dev/null Drive? |
| 18:47.17 | raifbot | josephscott - Outlook good. |
| 18:47.30 | fungus | no I grew up on BigumifAvon7 Street |
| 18:47.45 | jsmith | josephscott: /dev/null is just between Second North Street West and the river :-p |
| 18:47.53 | fungus | lol |
| 18:48.01 | captbrogers | And you turn off the road where the dead cow used to be |
| 18:48.09 | josephscott | does that make /dev/random the other side of the railroad tracks then? |
| 18:48.19 | herlo | josephscott: no that's /dev/urandom |
| 18:48.26 | josephscott | haha |
| 18:48.28 | herlo | it's hard to keep those straight, I know. :) |
| 18:48.29 | jsmith | (And yes, for those of you playing along at home, there really is a "Second North Street West" in my small home-town, where only about ten streets have names) |
| 18:48.31 | fungus | In truth that question is really bad for me. My current address is the address I grew up at. |
| 18:48.51 | herlo | at which you grew up? Weird |
| 18:49.07 | jsmith | fungus grew up? I just thought he got more experienced :-p |
| 18:49.18 | josephscott | ~move fungus |
| 18:49.19 | ibot | ACTION packs up fungus's stuff and drives it into the ocean. |
| 18:49.34 | fungus | herlo, I did move out once. Across the street. then moved back after my parents moved away. |
| 18:50.23 | herlo | across the street, ey? That's quite an adventure! :D |
| 18:50.33 | fungus | yeah it was. really scary. |
| 18:50.35 | fungus | ;) |
| 18:50.43 | herlo | like using -e in netstat |
| 18:50.52 | fungus | lol |
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| 20:14.18 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 20:14.19 | raifbot | beats peno senseless with a 50lb Unix manual. |
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| 21:03.29 | mindjuju | beandog - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp7xyDGcZjs |
| 21:03.41 | mindjuju | do you remember that TV show? Trouble with Miss Switch |
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| 21:06.37 | beandog | OH MY GOSH |
| 21:06.44 | beandog | I forgot all about that |
| 21:06.59 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:07.03 | beandog | I totally remember this commercial too |
| 21:07.13 | mindjuju | the crest one? |
| 21:07.16 | beandog | oh yah |
| 21:07.19 | mindjuju | yup |
| 21:07.22 | beandog | that one's embedded |
| 21:07.40 | beandog | did you ever watch the live action super mario |
| 21:07.45 | beandog | that was so terrible |
| 21:08.24 | beandog | that chips ahoy commercial is horrible |
| 21:08.33 | beandog | nice lois lane ripoff |
| 21:08.36 | mindjuju | yup |
| 21:08.48 | mindjuju | and did see super mario live tv show |
| 21:08.53 | mindjuju | there are some on youtube, btw |
| 21:08.55 | beandog | oh, youtube |
| 21:08.58 | beandog | how wonderful |
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| 21:15.21 | mindjuju | beandog - here is what i'm listening to whilst working - http://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/k6dNAmjnZ7vpYp3rYGQ |
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| 21:33.15 | mahelious | beadog: i know you did not just dis the righteous captain lou |
| 21:33.44 | beandog | what? |
| 21:33.48 | mahelious | err, beandog |
| 21:34.06 | mahelious | lou albano, he was the live action super mario |
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