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| 04:12.05 | zardoz__ | hello: I am hoping someone here can help me. I am on Linum Mint 14 I am using apache2-mpm-worker (yes, apache 2.2) with php-fpm my problem is that I cannot get the setup to process php embedded in html... cannot find silution on web or documentation... any ideas |
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| 04:16.54 | herlo | zardoz__: you may wish to try in the morning when more people are here. |
| 04:17.09 | herlo | we are UTC-6 atm |
| 04:19.02 | tierra | and also explain what you mean by "php embedded in html" |
| 04:19.24 | zardoz__ | Thanks herlo |
| 04:19.39 | zardoz__ | tierra: Are you serious? |
| 04:19.58 | zardoz__ | An HTML file that has some php code in it... |
| 04:20.04 | tierra | absolutely... |
| 04:20.17 | tierra | see, so is your file extension .html, or .php? |
| 04:21.22 | zardoz__ | file extension is .html... and I have tried the AddType AddHandler but get nowhere |
| 04:21.42 | tierra | what does it do if you do name it .php? |
| 04:22.28 | zardoz__ | tierra... it works of course... but I am not going to change all my .html files to .php files... if the technology cannot handle it I'll just dump it |
| 04:22.33 | tierra | most default configurations won't be configured to parse .html files with PHP |
| 04:23.00 | tierra | it's usually best to just rename |
| 04:23.00 | zardoz__ | I'll go back to the old mod_php5 stuff that is slower but works |
| 04:23.13 | zardoz__ | tierra... not an option |
| 04:23.27 | zardoz__ | tierra and should NOT be a solution |
| 04:23.46 | tierra | alright, but that also means html files that *don't* contain PHP will be parsed which means some pretty serious performance problems |
| 04:24.05 | zardoz__ | well.. can be A solution but not THE solution |
| 04:25.21 | zardoz__ | I look at it as more of an apache issue... apache is suppose to see the <?php and send it to PHP for processing |
| 04:25.21 | tierra | so you were on the right path, you're going to need AddHandler, but maybe you should elaborate on the full line you've been trying to get working, and it might help to know exactly what AddHandler call is already in the built-in default configuration with php-fpm (should be contained in /etc/apache2 somewhere) |
| 04:25.34 | tierra | it doesn't work like that |
| 04:25.51 | tierra | Apache won't look through your files for PHP tags |
| 04:26.13 | tierra | it does it based on extension (hence why you're adding in a new .html extension to send to PHP) |
| 04:28.51 | zardoz__ | I triedAddHandler php5-fcgi .php .html but that gives me access denied on the .html files |
| 04:29.32 | zardoz__ | I added AddType php5-fcgi .php .html .htm but that does nothing |
| 04:30.43 | tierra | again, I just want to re-iterate that (especially because you're using php-fpm), this will have a *huge* impact on performance as PHP is loaded for all HTML files regardless of whether they contain PHP tags or not - could easily take down your server depending on your current traffic and everything |
| 04:31.39 | tierra | have you looked through your access/error logs to see why permission was denied on the file |
| 04:31.42 | tierra | ? |
| 04:31.46 | zardoz__ | so I should just use mod_php and wait until php-fpm grows up I guess |
| 04:32.17 | tierra | na, php-fpm is mature, it's not getting any faster - it's just the way it's designed to work |
| 04:32.40 | tierra | although if mod_php meets your requirements, it will perform much better |
| 04:32.59 | tierra | (i.e. do you need these PHP scripts to run as the file owner or not?) |
| 04:33.20 | tierra | if not, mod_php is the way to go |
| 04:33.22 | zardoz__ | ever since the personal home page (php) days (and yes, that was its original name) php has been embeddable in .html pages... guess that is changing |
| 04:34.36 | zardoz__ | I guess I could go back with the AddHandler method and try a chown on the html docs |
| 04:35.11 | tierra | nothing changed about that, except you may have gotten the wrong impression on file extension... no default PHP configuration has ever added .html files to their PHP handlers by default pretty much ever that I'm aware of |
| 04:36.01 | tierra | they used to use .phtml, .php3, and .php4 ... but I don't think they ever used .html |
| 04:36.45 | zardoz__ | tierra... it was an apache conf... you added the .dll on windows or hte .so on linux and then set the file extensions to process |
| 04:37.14 | tierra | can you run "grep -rn 'AddHandler' /etc/apache2 | grep php", and see where it's configuring the current default extensions? |
| 04:37.46 | tierra | right, I'm not saying you can't, just that no distribution of PHP ever configured .html extensions by default |
| 04:37.53 | tierra | for good reasons |
| 04:43.54 | zardoz__ | tierra... I do understand the performance issues... but I need an effieiecnt method to allow existing applications to act like the old mod_php method... that is all I am saying |
| 04:48.28 | zardoz__ | tierra... what I am saying is that why is it so much more effecient for me to name a file that is motly html to .php just to process a few lines of php in an html file??? And if I cannot commingle the resources into a single file then PHP loses some of its luster... |
| 04:50.13 | tierra | right, you would ideally only rename the ones you're actually adding PHP code to as you go |
| 04:50.57 | tierra | which would also ensure that you aren't enabling PHP on files that you have no idea if they contain malicious PHP code injected into them already (which is admittedly unlikely, but possible) |
| 04:51.22 | zardoz__ | I do want to say thank you for your help... at least here, there is someone responding... there is very poor information available on the web and virtually none in the php sources... I found one that suggested security.limited_extensions = .php .html, but that has gone away at the php-fpm 5.4 level... it does not work... |
| 04:51.45 | tierra | what version of PHP is this anyway? |
| 04:51.49 | tierra | 5.4 then? |
| 04:52.39 | zardoz__ | PHP Version 5.4.6-1ubuntu1.2 |
| 04:52.51 | tierra | look like these days FPM is built into PHP core now, so it's something like "/etc/init.d/php-fpm start" and it runs as a service that you use mod_proxy with |
| 04:53.05 | tierra | honestly I haven't used FPM in a *long* time |
| 04:53.56 | zardoz__ | it is supposed to be the best currently and it has just reached the stage of being part of the core |
| 04:54.40 | zardoz__ | hey... I'll find a solution... it is just hard to find it right now |
| 04:54.55 | zardoz__ | I am sure the solution is simple... just getting it right is the issue |
| 04:55.17 | zardoz__ | thank you very much... keep up the good work... |
| 04:55.30 | tierra | if you aren't running LMDE (debian edition), it really is just Ubuntu, so I imagine there's tons of Ubuntu PHP-FPM guides that would work well |
| 04:55.34 | tierra | awe |
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| 16:13.59 | josephscott_ | http://devour.com/video/was-the-death-star-destruction-an-inside-job/ |
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| 16:44.56 | TuxToaster | http://firstpersontetris.com/ |
| 16:47.54 | fungus | Ugh, my company's new overlords are making me re-sell them on the benefits of Google Apps |
| 16:48.31 | T4rku5 | fungus -- don't use google docs for company things |
| 16:49.37 | fungus | We switched to Google Apps a long time ago, now these new overlords want to move us back to Exchange... Ick! |
| 16:49.58 | captbrogers | fungus: Start using sales slang like, "communitizing our overhead specification of our production-level servers" |
| 16:50.04 | captbrogers | Just confuse them until they submit |
| 16:50.16 | fungus | captbrogers, lol, good idea. I'll try that angle. |
| 16:50.42 | tierra | to think someone would actually want to switch back after finally breaking free of exchange... |
| 16:50.47 | tierra | heh |
| 16:50.58 | fungus | I know right... |
| 16:51.01 | captbrogers | Or you could be really blunt, ask them what technical reasons they suggest it and if (or when) they can't come up with any just tell them you can offer a solid service that is free. |
| 16:51.18 | tierra | ask them how they feel about viagra :P |
| 16:51.41 | captbrogers | Get them to show they have no qualifying reasons to choose Exchange and help them understand they have no business making technical calls |
| 16:52.23 | tierra | it's not free for fungus most likely, but certainly cheaper than the time and effort involved with running exchange, heh |
| 16:52.55 | fungus | captbrogers, Google Apps isn't free. but it's still cheaper than exchange/office licenses. |
| 16:53.37 | captbrogers | My new boss has no qualms calling others out when he is speaking with them about technical things. When they start trying to give input on why we should use a certain service or technology he gets really blunt about pointing out they really have no clue what they are talking about |
| 16:54.14 | captbrogers | tierra: Well, for me it's free. I haven't used business end of it so I was just speaking from that ignorance. But I agree with you, the price has got to be cheaper and the time to switch would be a too much |
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| 16:54.57 | tierra | I wonder if that migration cost would also involve new mobile devices too, heh |
| 16:55.13 | tierra | tell them they have to switch their phones, that'll get really personal then ;) |
| 16:55.16 | fungus | Last time we did the calculation, we figured new Exchange and Office upgrades for everyone would pay for 10 years of Google Apps |
| 16:55.52 | captbrogers | Personally I'd just use a scare tactic. Start listing all the things you have to worry about when switching everyone over, the time involved (make sure to mention many many hours of overtime if you have that), increase in monthly cost, upkeep on the server, etc |
| 16:56.29 | fungus | captbrogers, yup, got all that in my report so far. |
| 16:56.46 | fungus | tierra, good tip on mobile phones, almost missed that one. |
| 16:56.55 | tierra | really scare tactics shouldn't even be required for any of this |
| 16:56.55 | captbrogers | fungus: Tell them you can do that but for security reasons (lie) you have to switch everyone over to Palm phones. No Windows phones, iPhones, or Androids |
| 16:57.18 | captbrogers | The sad thing is, tierra, it is usually all that really gets the point across |
| 16:57.20 | fungus | lol, they aren't quite that dumb. |
| 16:58.47 | fungus | Basically their only IT person is a Windows head that outsources everything. That's the driver for the Exchange migration... |
| 16:59.13 | captbrogers | Ugh, I dislike when people are like that |
| 16:59.38 | josephscott_ | $lart Exchange |
| 16:59.38 | raifbot | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at Exchange. |
| 16:59.55 | josephscott | managing Exchange is a full time job |
| 17:00.16 | fungus | Pretty close. |
| 17:01.05 | josephscott | and not a fun one |
| 17:01.35 | tierra | ewe, yeah, that's what drove me away from the last company I worked for actually... was moved to a team under a Windows IT fanatic |
| 17:02.54 | captbrogers | I understand that some people like Windows and some times it is the best tool for the job |
| 17:02.58 | josephscott | I worked for a department at a university that wanted to move to Exchange, I told them they'd either have to hire someone to do it, or hire a replacement for me in order to make up for the huge time sink that managing Exchange was going to be for me |
| 17:03.11 | captbrogers | But I don't understand how someone can get so into Windows IT stuff that they forget there is other stuff |
| 17:03.46 | josephscott | I'm thankful no one at my current jobs ever suggests moving to Exchange :-) |
| 17:04.47 | DexterTheDragon | josephscott: too busy moving to drupal right? |
| 17:04.50 | captbrogers | My new job is a Mac-only dev environment for our machines, I think they use Ubuntu for the in-house dev servers |
| 17:05.16 | josephscott | DexterTheDragon: yep, Acquia is helping us with that |
| 17:05.22 | tierra | captbrogers: in my experience, it's because they were never even trained on anything outside of Windows (see Neumont University) |
| 17:05.28 | captbrogers | Pfft |
| 17:05.39 | captbrogers | That reminds me of when I went to UVU |
| 17:05.50 | tierra | so it's not even an option to use anything else because they simply don't have a clue where to start |
| 17:06.02 | josephscott | tierra: Neumont is also big into Java, not sure if that counts for outside of Windows though |
| 17:06.09 | captbrogers | Had a professor of the intro to computers class ask me to teach about GIMP and text editors one day because he didn't know how to use GIMP or any good text editors |
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| 17:08.48 | tierra | josephscott: maybe if it's dev on desktop applications I guess... *maybe* JSP... it still boggles my mind how big Java is considering what poor performance it's usually known for |
| 17:09.24 | jsmith | tierra: That's because it has "Enterprise" written all over it -- in the meanwhile, we get more done with less "enterprisey" tools |
| 17:09.26 | tierra | people using it for distribution on systems well within their own realm of control when it's specifically designed for portability, heh |
| 17:09.34 | josephscott | poor performance in what aspect? |
| 17:09.49 | josephscott | usually in raw performance numbers it does very well |
| 17:10.17 | josephscott | at the expense of a few tons of RAM chips of course :-) |
| 17:10.37 | josephscott | guess I should ask, performance under what conditions |
| 17:10.53 | josephscott | I was thinking server stuff |
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| 17:12.07 | tierra | I would think that would be a major concern for JSP... requests per second and such - but I'm more familiar with desktop applications when it comes to Java, not JSP |
| 17:12.16 | tierra | on desktop apps, it's terrible performance |
| 17:12.50 | tierra | but for desktop apps, performance is rarely a concern |
| 17:20.20 | josephscott | does anyone still use java for desktop apps? |
| 17:20.39 | josephscott | seems like the only java desktop apps are java IDEs, which feels like a strange circle :-) |
| 17:21.41 | jsmith | josephscott: Sure -- especially apps using Java WebStart |
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| 17:22.25 | jsmith | (which is an interesting idea -- you launch the "app", and it automagically downloads any changed dependencies -- not saying I'm completely sold on the idea, but it's interesting) |
| 17:22.49 | tierra | probably more than you think... it is still possible to use native UI with a Java SWT application (though most shops don't use it), not the usual Java SWING you're used to seeing |
| 17:23.04 | josephscott | on the server side you can get very good java performance, see things like Scala |
| 17:23.35 | josephscott | all of these things have their own trade offs of course |
| 17:23.54 | josephscott | deploying a java on the server is kind of a pain |
| 17:24.10 | tierra | you may have forgotten that most bittorrent clients are written in Java |
| 17:24.19 | tierra | heh |
| 17:24.54 | josephscott | I don't use bittorrent much |
| 17:26.07 | josephscott | so yeah, that would be an easy one for me to forget :-) |
| 17:27.17 | tierra | http://www.eclipse.org/swt/ <- doesn't even look like Java |
| 17:27.52 | tierra | that's basically the Java version of wxWidgets, heh |
| 17:27.59 | josephscott | given I don't even have java installed on my laptop it is easy for me to tell when a desktop app requires java |
| 17:28.11 | tierra | heh, indeed |
| 17:29.30 | fungus | josephscott, my company uses an in-house developed Java app constantly. It's our main bread-and-butter app. |
| 17:29.51 | tierra | what kind of app? desktop? |
| 17:29.52 | fungus | We got some great Java devs/architects so it performs quite well. |
| 17:29.57 | fungus | Desktop app |
| 17:30.00 | josephscott | and does that make you jump for joy or pull your hair out? |
| 17:30.04 | fungus | Uses JBoss for the backend. |
| 17:31.31 | tierra | I do talk a lot of crap on Java, while turning around to use PhpStorm (my new fav btw) and NetBeans, heh |
| 17:32.05 | fungus | I don't have to support the app myself, we have a dedicated guy that does the JBoss/Oracle admin stuff. He's amazing so that's probably why it works well. |
| 17:32.21 | tierra | but whatever, I'm not using Java on the server to serve out pages |
| 17:33.02 | fungus | Yeah, we don't use Java for webserver stuff. All PHP for that. |
| 17:34.16 | tierra | speaking of, did you guys catch that conversation last night with zardoz__? just... wow |
| 17:34.46 | tierra | "I want all static HTML pages pushed through PHP" |
| 17:35.05 | fungus | why? |
| 17:35.24 | fungus | Some weird kind of page counting/tracking? |
| 17:35.25 | tierra | he/she didn't want to rename their HTML files to .php |
| 17:35.34 | DexterTheDragon | tierra: that was awesome to read |
| 17:35.50 | mindjuju | yeah, that guy seemed really cranky |
| 17:36.09 | fungus | i gotta go find my logs. sounds fun. |
| 17:37.27 | tierra | talking about PHP like it was SSI |
| 17:38.25 | mindjuju | fungus - http://pastebin.com/5bM4nTZV |
| 17:45.29 | josephscott | wow, grumpy |
| 17:46.15 | mindjuju | on the other hand, it was 10p on a Sunday, maybe they were desparate ? |
| 17:47.14 | fungus | Ahh, I understand. He was grumpy. He didn't want to learn about best practices and got annoyed. |
| 17:48.34 | fungus | Line 29, he should have expanded on that. That was the right path for his goal. Not a good goal, mind you. But would have gotten there. |
| 17:51.19 | mindjuju | ~seen zardoz__ |
| 17:51.26 | ibot | zardoz__ <~zardoz@65.49.149.49> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 12h 56m 9s ago, saying: 'thank you very much... keep up the good work...'. |
| 17:52.59 | mindjuju | ~tierra++ |
| 17:53.10 | mindjuju | for keeping it cool when the other person just iddn't understand |
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| 17:56.34 | tierra | thanks |
| 17:56.53 | thinbegin | hoya fungus? |
| 17:57.05 | fungus | ayoh thinbegin |
| 17:57.12 | thinbegin | lol |
| 17:57.39 | thinbegin | so do you have a specific person at mountain states that you would suggest i get in touch with for the cisco 1941? |
| 17:58.14 | thinbegin | also, are there any licenses that i need to worry about for that hardware? |
| 17:58.54 | fungus | The basic license will handle everything you need on it. Though there are fancier license options if you choose to upgrade in the future (VPN, IDS, etc) |
| 17:59.36 | fungus | Keith Harper is my sales rep. Good guy. kharper@mstates.com |
| 17:59.57 | thinbegin | do you mind if i reference you when i contact him? |
| 18:00.12 | fungus | mstates has Cisco CCIEs on staff to help on a consulting basis if you want too. |
| 18:00.25 | fungus | Sure, just reference SOS Staffing. |
| 18:00.48 | thinbegin | really? do you work directly for SOS? interesting that i didn't know that. |
| 18:01.00 | fungus | Yeah, 6 years now. |
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| 18:01.13 | thinbegin | sheesh. you likey? |
| 18:01.59 | fungus | So far. |
| 18:02.54 | fungus | We did just get bought by another company so that might change while we combine.. |
| 18:02.58 | josephscott | if you ever decide you aren't I have a suggestion for another place :-) |
| 18:03.22 | thinbegin | good stuff man. thanks for the info (again) |
| 18:03.56 | jsmith | fungus: I have another suggestion as well, in case you don't like josephscott's suggestion :-p |
| 18:04.12 | josephscott | haha |
| 18:04.50 | tierra | rol |
| 18:05.10 | fungus | lol, thanks. Depending on how these new overlords work in the next few months, I might take one of you up on that. |
| 18:05.28 | jsmith | fungus: If you're interested *at all*, just say the word :-) |
| 18:05.53 | josephscott | speaking of java - http://codeascraft.etsy.com/2013/03/18/java-not-even-once/ |
| 18:05.56 | jsmith | fungus: Of course, the bad part is you'd have to work with me, and tierra too... |
| 18:06.11 | tierra | haha, I'm terrible |
| 18:06.20 | fungus | lol |
| 18:10.20 | tierra | jsmith: a dev at Google's OSPO stumbled across the pluginmirror over the weekend, and hit me up about jumping in to help :) |
| 18:10.32 | jsmith | tierra: Awesome! |
| 18:10.39 | tierra | and this is why I love open source so much |
| 18:17.40 | tierra | speaking of, if anyone else here is interested in fully automated github mirrors of any plugins on WP.org, just wants to learn more about CakePHP, or wants to see an example of something that takes advantage of the (undocumented) WordPress.org plugin API -> https://github.com/bluehost/pluginmirror |
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| 18:27.03 | josephscott | tierra: nice domain name |
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| 19:25.04 | fungus | Ooh, neat! WordPress has anycast addresses! Grats. http://barry.wordpress.com/2013/03/16/anycast/ |
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| 20:26.40 | josephscott | fungus: yeah, that anycast stuff is cool |
| 20:27.07 | fungus | very. |
| 20:31.57 | josephscott | wikipedia uses it quiet a bit |
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| 22:03.26 | mindjuju | jsmith do you know if bluehost is hiring sys admins still? |
| 22:03.40 | mindjuju | i think i know somebody, who would i send them to at BH? |
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| 22:07.40 | josephscott | carmony: what is the plan for u-pew this week? |
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| 22:47.49 | ninnypants | $rlart |
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| 23:15.46 | carmony | josephscott: the almighty Russell Alhstrom will be presenting :P |
| 23:16.37 | josephscott | carmony: cool, what is the topic? |
| 23:16.50 | carmony | kss-php |
| 23:17.00 | carmony | which I don't know what that is... :P |
| 23:17.24 | josephscott | haha |
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