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| 16:04.59 | ninnypan_ | $rlart |
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| 16:25.06 | josephscott | ninnypan_: have you been following any of the WP meetup guideline discussions? http://make.wordpress.org/events/2013/03/09/proposed-meetup-guidlines/ |
| 16:25.37 | ninnypan_ | josephscott: nope I didn't know they were happening |
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| 16:43.28 | supernovia | nice josephscott |
| 16:44.00 | josephscott | I don't think we really have any concerns for our group, just though ninnypan_ might like to see the discussions |
| 16:44.19 | supernovia | yeah |
| 16:45.52 | supernovia | would the wordpress foundation ever consider pulling meetups under its umbrella like it does with wordcamps? |
| 16:46.21 | ninnypan_ | josephscott: I just remembered I was asking Dustin if he could reserve a room at the draper library for WPSLC but he's going to be out of town. Could you do it? |
| 16:46.46 | supernovia-brb | sick kiddo :( |
| 16:46.55 | ninnypan_ | supernovia: it's starting to it has a meet up account that will pay your meetup.com costs if you follow their rules |
| 16:47.07 | ninnypan_ | supernovia-brb: same here :( |
| 16:47.32 | supernovia-brb | I gotta go get mine since he's barfalicious at school |
| 16:48.37 | josephscott | ninnypan_: this is the guy at Instructure I was telling you about - http://www.linkedin.com/pub/patrick-cox/23/ab9/652 |
| 16:48.47 | josephscott | should ping him, see if we can use their office in Sandy |
| 16:50.05 | ninnypan_ | josephscott: will do |
| 16:57.44 | mgeary | SoCal is having an earthquake right now |
| 16:57.52 | mgeary | minor |
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| 17:25.21 | mindjuju_ | heya herlo, you around? |
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| 17:32.11 | herlo | mindjuju_: I am |
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| 17:38.31 | mindjuju_ | heya herlo, what phone do you have right now? are you using one with a physical keyboard? |
| 17:39.00 | mindjuju_ | my droid2 is starting to die, looking for a replacement, i like the keyboard, but interested to see how pick/peck keyboard is working |
| 17:39.19 | herlo | samsung galaxy s I. I dreamt last night though that it was stolen along with my 1980s station wagon (the one my mom drove us kids around in). |
| 17:39.44 | herlo | it was a fun dream, albeit annoying because I had to use a gps that looked like a tv remote to find my way to the event |
| 17:39.55 | herlo | and I never quite found it |
| 17:39.55 | mindjuju_ | oh that's awesome |
| 17:40.06 | mindjuju_ | did station wagon have wood paneling? |
| 17:40.13 | herlo | mindjuju_: of course! :) |
| 17:40.46 | herlo | mindjuju_: like this one: https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/556786_10151382370018401_1106858495_n.jpg |
| 17:41.25 | mindjuju_ | so does your have the real keyboard or pick/peck |
| 17:41.29 | herlo | mindjuju_: my phone doesn't have a keyboard. I made that transition a while back when I went from the mytouch (which I took swimming with me a couple years ago) to the original galaxy S. |
| 17:41.52 | mindjuju_ | can you really type with it? |
| 17:41.58 | herlo | mindjuju_: I haven't missed the keyboard as much as I thought |
| 17:42.01 | herlo | I would |
| 17:42.12 | mindjuju_ | curious, maybe i should go in and try it out |
| 17:42.15 | herlo | mostly, I use swype. Which is a cool way to type |
| 17:42.28 | herlo | but newer android phones have a better version available. |
| 17:42.30 | mindjuju_ | swype is new fangled and i'm old |
| 17:42.35 | herlo | mindjuju_: me too |
| 17:42.49 | mindjuju_ | yes, but several months |
| 17:42.53 | herlo | if only by a few months :) |
| 17:43.25 | mindjuju_ | i still haven't come to terms with google labels as opposed to mail folders :( |
| 17:43.47 | mindjuju_ | just doesn't make sense to me, peg in square hole, :( |
| 17:44.26 | herlo | mindjuju_: well, I think of labels like I think of folders. And that's how imap lays them out, so.... |
| 17:45.02 | herlo | the only time it is really bothersome is when one of my filters ignores my rules and puts them into two labels |
| 17:45.13 | mindjuju_ | i just can figure out how to see what is uncategorized and unread |
| 17:45.41 | herlo | lol |
| 17:45.58 | mindjuju_ | yup, exactly |
| 17:46.17 | mindjuju_ | ;) |
| 17:46.25 | herlo | what was that movie, grumpy old men? :D |
| 17:47.21 | herlo | mindjuju_: anyway, hopefully you can make the transition to a keyboard-less phone. |
| 17:47.45 | herlo | most phones with keyboards these days aren't as nice |
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| 17:48.33 | carmony | ok, I need to fix my IRC connection issue :P |
| 17:49.07 | mindjuju_ | herlo, i LOVE that movie |
| 17:49.14 | mindjuju_ | ~fix carmony |
| 17:49.15 | ibot | ACTION opens the hood of carmony , looks inside and says "that'll be 500 dollars." |
| 17:51.47 | fungus | mindjuju_, you could get a Droid Pro, if they still sell those. |
| 17:52.52 | fungus | Oh, there is a Droid 4 that is a lot like your Droid 2 |
| 17:53.19 | fungus | though I think you should just suck it up and learn to use a virtual keyboard. |
| 17:54.39 | herlo | fungus: +1 on the virtual keyboard |
| 17:55.29 | fungus | The keyboard-less phones are usually a lot better than the keyboard ones. |
| 17:56.19 | ninnypan_ | mindjuju_: just get swype that's how I finally started using a virtual keyboard |
| 17:59.10 | herlo | ninnypan_: I mentioned that earlier too. Do you have the newer version? The older version has some, um... issues. |
| 17:59.39 | ninnypan_ | I have whatever version comes on the G2x |
| 17:59.48 | herlo | ninnypan_: otay |
| 17:59.55 | ninnypan_ | I have a beta account that was still getting updates though |
| 18:00.04 | ninnypan_ | just can't use it on this phone |
| 18:22.11 | carmony | anyone here ever used an IRC bouncer before? |
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| 18:47.23 | DexterTheDragon | carmony: I use znc |
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| 19:46.09 | carmony | DexterTheDragon: do you like znc? I was looking to set it up |
| 19:46.25 | DexterTheDragon | yeah it works well |
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| 19:57.23 | fungus | What does a bouncer give you that a client in a screen session can't? |
| 19:58.46 | carmony | I don't use a terminal based irc client :P |
| 19:58.52 | carmony | I use an OS X one |
| 20:00.52 | fungus | hrm, didn't think about that. That's a good use for one. |
| 20:02.13 | DexterTheDragon | fungus: I can leave my screen session connected and connect from my phone without interupting anything |
| 20:02.42 | josephscott | http://www.wired.com/geekmom/2013/03/marvel-1/ |
| 20:02.57 | josephscott | 1st edition marvel comics available to download for free |
| 20:05.01 | josephscott | which of course means the marvel web site is down :-( |
| 20:05.51 | fungus | DtD, you can do that with a bouncer? 2 clients on one connection? |
| 20:06.02 | DexterTheDragon | yep |
| 20:06.05 | fungus | ooh, neat |
| 20:07.53 | carmony | lol, I just about typed my aptitude commands in here |
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| 20:09.32 | DexterTheDragon | fungus: I think the other nice feature of a bouncer is that it will playback messages that were sent while you were detached from it |
| 20:11.21 | fungus | ok, i'm sold. |
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| 20:18.18 | carmony | mwuahaha, there is mine! |
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| 20:20.21 | carmony_ | testing... |
| 20:25.31 | fungus | carmony, ooh, bonus points for IPv6 |
| 20:25.41 | carmony | :) |
| 20:25.59 | fungus | ~carmony |
| 20:26.00 | ibot | from memory, carmony is awesome, or a foodie. CIO and rolls in the big bucks |
| 20:26.03 | fungus | ~carmony++ |
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| 20:29.36 | josephscott | ~ssh++ |
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| 20:31.42 | carmony | haha, I even got my NickServ to work correctly :) |
| 20:32.45 | josephscott | I never got around to using a bouncer, I figure if someone needs me and I'm not around in IRC there are other ways to get ahold of me |
| 20:34.14 | carmony | Well my work's wifi kills my IRC connection all the time |
| 20:34.19 | carmony | so when I'm moving around |
| 20:34.33 | carmony | from my office to other places, most times I get DC'd enough that my IRC client just gives up |
| 20:36.25 | fungus | aptitude show znc |
| 20:36.28 | fungus | grr |
| 20:37.00 | carmony | lol |
| 20:37.25 | josephscott | better to fix the lame wifi ;-) |
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| 20:42.34 | OtherNameCarmony | test |
| 20:42.46 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart OtherNameCarmony |
| 20:42.46 | ibot | blasts OtherNameCarmony with a huge firehose then strangles OtherNameCarmony with it |
| 20:43.01 | carmony | sweet, my playback works! :D |
| 20:43.16 | carmony | now to test wifi... |
| 20:43.56 | carmony | haha, awesome |
| 20:44.04 | carmony | now I can be on wifi and on IRC |
| 20:44.18 | carmony | as long as port 443 is open where ever I go, this should work :D |
| 20:45.56 | tierra | psh, I've had IPv6 going here for more than a couple years |
| 20:46.20 | tierra | you just don't see it because I also have IPv6 RDNS also configured ;) |
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| 20:46.57 | WatchingCarmony | >> :P |
| 20:47.26 | WatchingCarmony | someone say something :P |
| 20:47.28 | WatchingCarmony | other than me |
| 20:47.44 | tierra | something |
| 20:48.10 | carmony | hmmm |
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| 20:48.18 | carmony | it didn't work the buffer that time |
| 20:48.19 | carmony | I wonder why |
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| 20:50.13 | tierra | 14:44 [freenode] -!- tierra [tierra@ibaku.net] |
| 20:50.14 | tierra | 14:44 [freenode] -!- server : leguin.freenode.net [Ume?, SE, EU] |
| 20:50.14 | tierra | 14:44 [freenode] -!- : is using a secure connection |
| 20:50.14 | tierra | 14:44 [freenode] -!- : is connecting from *@ibaku.net 2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe96:bbb |
| 20:50.17 | tierra | :) |
| 21:08.52 | ninnypan_ | $rlart |
| 21:08.53 | raifb92 | follow's carmony with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION. |
| 21:09.09 | carmony | ... |
| 21:18.12 | ninnypan_ | must be for not being able to hold a wifi connection |
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| 22:27.09 | thinbegin | hey hey... long time! |
| 22:27.14 | thinbegin | anyone on? |
| 22:27.22 | fungus | nope |
| 22:27.36 | thinbegin | @fungus... heh |
| 22:27.49 | thinbegin | you are a GREAT source for my question actually |
| 22:27.57 | thinbegin | i was hoping you would be on specifically |
| 22:28.07 | fungus | lol. |
| 22:28.25 | thinbegin | i'm looking for suggestions for hyper-reliable routers... |
| 22:28.37 | fungus | um, Cisco |
| 22:28.39 | fungus | :) |
| 22:28.51 | thinbegin | ones that don't do normal - home use - network connection blips |
| 22:29.04 | thinbegin | cisco... of course. any models specifically? |
| 22:29.33 | fungus | Depends on the interfaces, services, bandwidth you need. |
| 22:30.34 | thinbegin | basically, would it be smart to trim down the bells/whistles? or are the some that have integrated some of the additional features without sacrificing the reliability? |
| 22:30.58 | thinbegin | wireless would be good, but not at expense of reliability |
| 22:31.20 | thinbegin | usb or peripherals -- same |
| 22:31.37 | thinbegin | 802.11g/n/ac if wireless |
| 22:31.55 | thinbegin | gigabit (is best?) |
| 22:32.05 | fungus | Hrm, I usually separate wireless from routing for business use. |
| 22:32.16 | thinbegin | my thought as well |
| 22:32.28 | thinbegin | for reliability (and security), right? |
| 22:32.38 | fungus | What about interfaces? T1, DSL, Cable, Ethernet |
| 22:32.54 | fungus | Services? BGP, EIGRP, OSPF, VPN, IDS? |
| 22:33.05 | thinbegin | ethernet (gigabit)... i'm connecting it to a Utopia modem |
| 22:33.24 | thinbegin | services aren't important at all... ie: none |
| 22:33.47 | thinbegin | think home router with business reliability |
| 22:33.48 | fungus | Ok, so small office router. |
| 22:33.59 | thinbegin | HIGH use |
| 22:34.09 | thinbegin | literally 24/7 ftp-ing |
| 22:34.26 | fungus | What kind of bandwidth is your utopia? |
| 22:34.58 | thinbegin | 86400 seconds of ftp each day |
| 22:35.05 | thinbegin | my utopia is 100/100 |
| 22:35.16 | fungus | nice, grats |
| 22:35.29 | thinbegin | heh. thnx |
| 22:35.32 | thinbegin | <3 |
| 22:35.52 | josephscott | mindjuju_: follow up time for openwest sessions, are they 50 minutes now? |
| 22:35.53 | fungus | do you have expectations of adding secondary connections, fail-over, load-balance? |
| 22:36.52 | thinbegin | possibly. it would kill to have secondary connection and/or load balancing, but who knows when (if ever) |
| 22:38.15 | fungus | I would probably use a Cisco 1921. or 1941W if you really want wireless. |
| 22:39.12 | thinbegin | do you have first hand experience with either? if so, i assume it was good? |
| 22:39.34 | fungus | Yeah, I deployed 6 of the 1921 routers in the past 4 months |
| 22:40.23 | thinbegin | have they given you any trouble? |
| 22:40.55 | fungus | Nope, but 4 months is pretty new. |
| 22:41.15 | thinbegin | sure is :) |
| 22:41.32 | thinbegin | but 4 months is like a dream from where i'm sitting... |
| 22:41.42 | fungus | You could look into the Cisco 800 series as well. They look interesting, but it sounds like you'd want a bit more than that. |
| 22:41.43 | thinbegin | if it was 4 months of 100% uptime |
| 22:42.05 | fungus | i've had 0 unexpected downtime. |
| 22:42.33 | fungus | Only outages from planned maintenance and Comcast failures. |
| 22:43.55 | thinbegin | sweetness++ |
| 22:44.36 | thinbegin | thanks for the brian-pick there |
| 22:45.55 | fungus | The 1921 is about 600-1000 IIRC |
| 22:46.33 | fungus | 2 GigE connections, and two slots for additional interface cards. |
| 22:47.54 | thinbegin | brain* |
| 22:48.48 | thinbegin | only 2 GigE? wah wah |
| 22:50.23 | fungus | hehe. |
| 22:50.32 | fungus | you can buy cards with more. |
| 22:52.13 | thinbegin | that would be good. where did you see 600$ |
| 22:52.15 | thinbegin | ? |
| 22:52.47 | fungus | If you get a good discount from a kind vendor... ;) |
| 22:53.25 | thinbegin | noice! me likey. could you pull that price? |
| 22:53.39 | thinbegin | what are the cards costing? |
| 22:54.17 | thinbegin | those 800 series look kindof cheap (price wise) |
| 22:56.09 | fungus | Yeah, they might a bit undersized for a 100Mbps connection too. |
| 22:56.23 | fungus | I buy most of my Cisco gear from Mountain States. Local Cisco vendor. |
| 22:58.42 | thinbegin | you rock it mate. thanks tons for the nfo |
| 22:59.39 | thinbegin | oh, what about switches to plug into the router? just dumb switches. do those really matter a ton in your experience? |
| 23:00.45 | fungus | Depends |
| 23:01.12 | fungus | How many machines, how important, PoE?, etc. |
| 23:01.48 | fungus | Most of my random small branches (1-4 peeps) only get a boring netgear switch |
| 23:02.31 | fungus | My medium branches w/ voip phones (4-8) use cheap Cisco (Linksys) PoE switch |
| 23:02.50 | fungus | Large offices use real Cisco stuff. |
| 23:03.05 | thinbegin | gotcha. no voip here. 90% ftp |
| 23:03.26 | thinbegin | so linksys would be fine iyho? |
| 23:04.32 | thinbegin | what about the cisco 1812 router? |
| 23:04.47 | thinbegin | what is my quick preusal missing? |
| 23:04.53 | thinbegin | perusal |
| 23:05.42 | thinbegin | is it just old? is that it? |
| 23:06.17 | fungus | It's just older. 1900 series replaced the 1800s |
| 23:06.28 | thinbegin | righty... gotcha |
| 23:06.51 | thinbegin | thanks again. looks like it should do some digging on the 1921/1941 |
| 23:06.54 | fungus | as far as the switch, it depends on how critical, and if you have spares. |
| 23:07.32 | thinbegin | i have old (slow) spares. they are, of course just as critical as far as uptime |
| 23:07.52 | thinbegin | down=down... doesn't matter where the weak link is :) |
| 23:09.11 | thinbegin | anyway... gotta run get my daughter from ballet.. thanks again fungus! |
| 23:09.22 | thinbegin | ciao |
| 23:57.17 | mgeary | hey fungus |
| 23:57.29 | fungus | hai |
| 23:57.37 | mgeary | is there a way to know if an apache instance with an ssl cert is going to require a passphrase before restarting it? |
| 23:58.06 | fungus | Look at the cert key file referenced by the apache config |
| 23:58.21 | fungus | If it says it's encrypted, it will require a password |
| 23:59.03 | fungus | Then proceed to go smack the person that put it there. |
| 23:59.22 | mgeary | i know, right? |
| 23:59.32 | mgeary | okay, it just says --- BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY--- |
| 23:59.36 | mgeary | so i'm safe? |
| 23:59.40 | fungus | yup |
| 23:59.57 | fungus | unless it's followed by encryption type |
