| 00:01.07 | two_socks | I'm working on a chat |
| 00:01.34 | two_socks | it's a paied chat |
| 00:02.20 | two_socks | every x minutes it call an ajax function on the server (a php file) |
| 00:03.12 | two_socks | in the javascript function I call this ajax call by setTimeout |
| 00:03.39 | Bikerdan | k |
| 00:04.06 | two_socks | for security reason I would like to move the timeout on the server side, because otherwise by chrome users can change the timeout value |
| 00:04.38 | Bikerdan | Do you have any browser requirements? Minimum versions and such? |
| 00:04.44 | two_socks | do you know if I can use something on the server side to do that? |
| 00:04.54 | Bikerdan | Web sockets might be an option. |
| 00:04.59 | Bikerdan | Or Comet. |
| 00:05.22 | two_socks | what are they? |
| 00:05.32 | mahelious | sounds like a case for Ajax-Push |
| 00:05.36 | Bikerdan | I would look them up. Much better descriptions online. |
| 00:05.50 | Bikerdan | Ajax-Push.. Is that different than comet? |
| 00:05.53 | mahelious | http://www.ape-project.org/ |
| 00:05.59 | mahelious | a dialect |
| 00:06.06 | Bikerdan | ah |
| 00:06.24 | Bikerdan | Yep. |
| 00:07.39 | Bikerdan | You could also track the frequency of requests on the server side and log the person out if the request comes too quickly too many times in a row. |
| 00:08.19 | two_socks | with comet (or ajax-push) can I call the function on the server without use a timer on the client side? |
| 00:08.51 | Bikerdan | There are no timers on the client. |
| 00:09.09 | mahelious | the client doesnt initalize the function call, the server does |
| 00:09.24 | two_socks | is the timer on the server? |
| 00:09.27 | Bikerdan | Yes |
| 00:09.31 | two_socks | ok |
| 00:09.50 | Bikerdan | Technically you wouldn't need a timer. You could just send updates when there are some to send. |
| 00:10.01 | Bikerdan | It's much more efficient that way. |
| 00:10.37 | two_socks | umh... when the private chat start, I start the timer |
| 00:11.07 | two_socks | and after x minutes I have to call the reauth to authorize the user to chat for other x minutes |
| 00:11.16 | two_socks | I need a timer |
| 00:11.24 | Bikerdan | You're the boss. |
| 00:11.28 | two_socks | :) |
| 00:12.37 | two_socks | I'm a poor webdeveloper |
| 00:13.11 | two_socks | trying to fix issues other people made |
| 00:14.25 | Bikerdan | Good luck with it. Feel free to ask questions any time. That's what we're here for...; ) |
| 00:16.13 | two_socks | thanks folks |
| 00:16.18 | two_socks | good night |
| 00:20.21 | mahelious | steam for linux just went live. |
| 00:29.43 | SunSparc | woot! |
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| 15:21.55 | opapo | mssql_connect will work from the commandline, but not if I hit it from a browser. |
| 15:22.31 | opapo | I wonder if there is a disconnect between apache modules and php cli modules |
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| 16:53.18 | hhatfield | ~rlart |
| 16:53.18 | ibot | beats kim27 senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 16:53.21 | hhatfield | $rlart |
| 16:53.21 | raifbot | says "boot to the head" and knocks mahelious over. |
| 16:56.18 | mindjuju | so herlo, got a minute? |
| 16:56.39 | mahelious | 50lb is some serious hyperbole. even the Lions manual is only 14oz or so. |
| 16:57.12 | mindjuju | most of my manuals are pdfs these days |
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| 17:09.05 | TuxToaster | ~jar hhatfield |
| 17:09.05 | ibot | hhatfield took the cookie from the cookie jar. "Who, me?", "Yes, you!", "Couldn't be!", "Then, who?" "UtahDave !" |
| 17:09.19 | hhatfield | ~jar UtahDave |
| 17:09.20 | ibot | UtahDave took the cookie from the cookie jar. "Who, me?", "Yes, you!", "Couldn't be!", "Then, who?" "herlo !" |
| 17:09.34 | TuxToaster | ~jar herlo |
| 17:09.35 | ibot | herlo took the cookie from the cookie jar. "Who, me?", "Yes, you!", "Couldn't be!", "Then, who?" "opapo !" |
| 17:10.23 | opapo | ~jar opapo |
| 17:10.24 | ibot | opapo took the cookie from the cookie jar. "Who, me?", "Yes, you!", "Couldn't be!", "Then, who?" "influx !" |
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| 17:13.38 | opapo | fyi SELinux blocks httpd from connecting to the mssql port |
| 17:15.12 | herlo | opapo: look for a boolean on that |
| 17:15.29 | herlo | getsebool -a | grep mssql (or something similar) |
| 17:15.39 | opapo | found it. I was frustrated until I found a tidbit about selinux |
| 17:16.32 | opapo | the bool was "httpd_can_network_connect" |
| 17:16.51 | opapo | php from the command line worked because it didn't use httpd |
| 17:16.58 | herlo | grep -i AVC /var/log/audit/audit.log can also help |
| 17:17.55 | opapo | I saw that after figuring out it was selinux, but I couldn't read it |
| 17:18.14 | opapo | I googled the selinux issue I was having and someone had the bool to set |
| 17:18.55 | opapo | isn't there a hint or suggestion when it blocks something? |
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| 17:24.49 | herlo | mindjuju: I'm heading to Kneaders for breakfast with the fam. Afterward, I should have some time. :) |
| 17:27.25 | opapo | I turned off the bool I was using: httpd_can_network_connect and used httpd_can_network_connect_db so it can only connect to databases. |
| 17:27.41 | opapo | herlo: thanks for the help |
| 17:27.48 | herlo | opapo: :) |
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| 18:34.10 | herlo | mindjuju: I should be around for a while now, what's up? |
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| 19:02.01 | TuxToaster | http://hadonejob.com/ |
| 19:15.17 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: that's awesome |
| 19:16.54 | fungus | http://failblog.cheezburger.com/thereifixedit |
| 19:17.39 | TuxToaster | yeah, I love those... but this one is easier to browse than Cheezburger's stuff |
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| 19:18.15 | TuxToaster | I liked Cheezburger better before they decided to cram everything into one site and only show you a few items per page to maximize PV's |
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| 20:02.38 | ninnypants | Boxen seems interesting https://github.com/blog/1345-introducing-boxen |
| 20:03.25 | DexterTheDragon | THEY FINALLY RELEASED IT?!?! |
| 20:03.43 | DexterTheDragon | woot woot woot |
| 20:04.56 | herlo | heh |
| 20:06.12 | mgeary | how does that compare to something like salt? |
| 20:06.30 | herlo | mgeary: specifically for mac, for one. |
| 20:06.35 | herlo | salt works on man ymore platforms |
| 20:06.40 | DexterTheDragon | in the same way that puppet compares to salt |
| 20:06.55 | herlo | but I think it's just basically a front end to puppet for mac |
| 20:07.01 | DexterTheDragon | boxen is just a set of puppet stuff for setting up a user machine |
| 20:07.20 | DexterTheDragon | and it's not only limitted to mac, github just uses it on mac |
| 20:07.33 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: yeah, it's ubuntu's juju and charms (local only it seems) for mac |
| 20:07.46 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: oh, interesting. |
| 20:08.24 | DexterTheDragon | it's built with puppet, so github has some mac only stuff they've built but most of it will work where ever puppet does |
| 20:08.54 | DexterTheDragon | they announced it at puppetconf and I've been waiting since then to play with it |
| 20:11.52 | DexterTheDragon | does look like a lot of their puppet modules only target OSX |
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| 20:55.05 | mindjuju | If any of you doubt your courage, then go no further for death await with sharp pointy teeth - http://www.examiner.com/article/bunnies-attacking-cars-bunny-rabbits-invade-denver-airport |
| 20:56.12 | mindjuju | monty python clip of rabbit scene, mind the language warning : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg |
| 20:57.07 | mgeary | aww. Wook at the widdle bunny wabbits |
| 20:59.43 | herlo | lol |
| 21:00.37 | mindjuju | heya herlo, got a minute? |
| 21:00.59 | herlo | mindjuju: oh, yeah. Did I forget to tell you I'm back? :) |
| 21:01.13 | herlo | sorry, about that |
| 21:01.33 | mindjuju | so i'm thinking i'm ready to jump over to irssi and get off trillian, but wanted to see if that was the latest and greatest idea |
| 21:01.58 | mindjuju | iirc, you irrsi to irc and you added in plugins to irc for IM and have that all under a screen? |
| 21:02.29 | unum | I don't use any of the plugins |
| 21:02.41 | unum | I use gajim for im and irssi for irc |
| 21:02.48 | unum | but I mostly use im for work |
| 21:03.19 | mindjuju | i was looking at finch as a way to pull this all off too |
| 21:03.31 | mindjuju | but thought i should check with the pros first :) |
| 21:03.56 | mindjuju | did you see this peno? http://beaglenetworks.net/post/42707829171/star-wars-traceroute |
| 21:05.32 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: I use irssi with bitlbee for IM |
| 21:05.59 | mindjuju | oh wait, i think that is what herlo does too, i remember him saying bitlbee |
| 21:06.06 | mindjuju | just forgot it until you mentioned it |
| 21:06.30 | herlo | irssi bitlbee is the bestest |
| 21:06.41 | mindjuju | k |
| 21:07.37 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: you could also check out weechat |
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| 21:08.36 | mgeary | ~mbp mindjuju |
| 21:08.36 | ibot | ACTION puts another nickel in mindjuju's "Get a MacBook Pro" jar |
| 21:09.42 | mgeary | you know, mindjuju, you should just write a script to have ibot call that action 48,000 times, and then you'd have a shiny new MBP all paid for |
| 21:09.50 | mgeary | you might need a few more jars, though |
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| 21:15.06 | mindjuju | tiff has a mb air |
| 21:15.09 | mindjuju | it looks lice |
| 21:15.14 | mindjuju | err, nice |
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| 22:18.27 | herlo | mindjuju: I've been there a while back |
| 22:18.30 | herlo | kind of far |
| 22:19.00 | herlo | it was fairly good |
| 22:19.05 | mindjuju | oh, i didn't look at address, i should se where that is relative to me |
| 22:19.14 | herlo | lol, it's up by the University of Utah |
| 22:19.58 | herlo | what kind of greek are you up for? I mean there's several places between you and there. But I will say none of the others I know of are really a 'sit down' restaurant. |
| 22:20.21 | mindjuju | yeah, was looking for sit down |
| 22:20.46 | herlo | there is mazza cafe, but at that point, you might as well go to aristos |
| 22:21.12 | mindjuju | course now that i see they have live music on Thursdays, i might wait for March and take the fam |
| 22:21.13 | herlo | that's the only other mediterranean place. I wouldn't say it's greek necessarily |
| 22:21.18 | mindjuju | instead of just me and tiff that is |
| 22:21.26 | herlo | seems fun |
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| 22:34.16 | ninnypants | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:36.09 | ninnypants | is backbone a good js framework? |
| 23:39.22 | cro | ninnypants: I've done a ton of research on that recently. It is good, but the different client-side templating style libraries all have their strengths and weaknesses. I'm partial to Ember and Angular.js right now. |
| 23:40.26 | SunSparc | How do any of those compare with jQuery? |
| 23:40.42 | ninnypants | cro: I've heard of ember I'm thinking backbone would be good because there are courses for it on codeschool.com |
| 23:41.02 | ninnypants | SunSparc: I think they're used along side jquery |
| 23:41.21 | cro | SunSparc: Yes, mostly they are another layer on top of jQuery |
| 23:41.37 | ninnypants | they generate the html elements from models and views then jquery inserts them into the dom |
| 23:41.51 | SunSparc | Ah, I see. So jQuery is still the de facto JS framework. |
| 23:41.52 | cro | ninnypants: Angular and Ember both have excellent documentataion including screencasts, tutorials, and videos. |
| 23:42.15 | ninnypants | I wish I had looked at some frameworks before I did one of my latest projects they could have come in handy |
| 23:42.42 | ninnypants | cro: I'll have to look at them I also lean toward backbone because it's in core WordPress as well |
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| 23:51.01 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: really depends on what you're doing |
| 23:51.55 | TuxToaster | jQuery is kind of de facto for working with elements on a page and doing ajax calls |
| 23:52.25 | TuxToaster | but for doing stuff like working with objects, data models, etc. other frameworks offer better performance |
| 23:53.14 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: Good explanation. |
| 23:53.25 | TuxToaster | Ember provides you with a good framework for separating code and doing MVC style stuff |
| 23:53.48 | SunSparc | I have not really delved into anything with JS other than what I can do with jQuery. |
| 23:54.13 | TuxToaster | plus it forces some conventions to your code (kinda like how CakePHP does) and it offers some pretty cool templating and real-time views that change based on the data |
| 23:54.54 | cro | What's drawing me to Angular is the built-in testing support |
| 23:54.55 | SunSparc | The way apps are all running in the client these days, I can see the power of MVC JS frameworks. |
| 23:55.26 | TuxToaster | yeah I'm still not into it as much as I'd like to be. I can do some pretty good JS for being a "backend" dev, but I haven't really had a chance to master any of them |
| 23:55.42 | SunSparc | Just built a site where the V in MVC was mostly JS/jQuery. |
| 23:56.06 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: a key is to remember that with JS MVC, you're not talking the same as server-side MVC like Cake and others provide |
| 23:56.17 | TuxToaster | it's much more like desktop MVC |
| 23:56.32 | TuxToaster | view controllers and such |
| 23:56.33 | SunSparc | I am not sure what the difference is. |
| 23:56.46 | TuxToaster | basically the purposes of the controller |
| 23:57.12 | SunSparc | Ok |
| 23:57.21 | TuxToaster | in server side MVC, your controller handles routing requests and really does a lot of the lifting of getting models, deciding what view to display, etc. |
| 23:58.00 | TuxToaster | and you usually have one controller that's active at a given point in time |
| 23:58.21 | SunSparc | Right, stateless environment. |
| 23:58.22 | TuxToaster | in desktop-style MVC you have multiple controllers that are responsible for managing and updating views |
| 23:59.05 | TuxToaster | so if you have a typical master/detail layout on a page, when you choose an item in the master list, a view controller for the detail view makes sure that the view updates when the data it's model has changes |
| 23:59.12 | SunSparc | Mmmm... a true stateful environment. I want to build an app in an environment like that some day. |
| 23:59.35 | TuxToaster | so all the code has to do is tell the model "hey, load customer 12345", the model does it's job of loading the data and the view on the screen updates. |
| 23:59.47 | TuxToaster | you don't have to call some method that renders the view, it just happens. |
| 23:59.58 | TuxToaster | it's pretty cool actually. |