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| 14:27.52 | hhatfield | Happy Monday Morning! |
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| 15:49.28 | mindjuju | DtD, thx for the heads up on CISPA |
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| 16:00.39 | eggyknap | So, mindjuju: do I get to cram a ballot box with dead people voting for my openwest talk today? |
| 16:01.20 | jsmith | eggyknap: Vote early, vote often! |
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| 16:03.55 | eggyknap | precisely. Plus I can get $employer to pay me to spend (some reasonable amount of) time writing talks, and that sounds way more fun than what I'm doing right now, so I wanna get accepted, and get crackin' :) |
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| 16:20.28 | ninnypants | $rlart |
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| 16:55.04 | josephscott | ~slap Monday |
| 16:55.04 | ibot | ACTION slaps Monday, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 16:55.20 | herlo | ~monday |
| 16:55.20 | ibot | monday is probably when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix, or and on a more positive note, Monday is a brand new day at the beginning of a brand new week, a place to start over and improve on last week. :), or the end of the weekend, a.k.a. the weekendend |
| 16:55.38 | herlo | heh |
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| 17:18.49 | josephscott | put off getting my openwest session submissions until this last weekend, I should have looked at the dates more closely |
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| 17:24.44 | josephscott | carmony: what is the plan for UPHPU this month? |
| 17:25.09 | carmony | for me to find a sr. dev to replace the one I lost on my team! :P |
| 17:31.11 | mindjuju | josephscott, all openwest CFP after Saturday went straight to /dev/null |
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| 17:31.14 | mindjuju | srry :( |
| 17:31.23 | mindjuju | heh, jk |
| 17:31.48 | mindjuju | we're giong to extended it 1 wk, promo launchs at 1p today to notify all, that way it doesn't get drowned in the morning mail |
| 17:32.05 | mindjuju | i saw it come through :) |
| 17:32.53 | josephscott | mindjuju: not enough submissions? |
| 17:33.13 | mindjuju | we'd like to got a few more |
| 17:33.25 | josephscott | carmony: that would make for a short presentation, what are you going to do for the rest of the evening? :-) |
| 17:33.34 | josephscott | I submitted two |
| 17:33.50 | carmony | I have a presenter lined up for Selenium, need to follow up to make sure he is still on |
| 17:36.12 | mindjuju | oh, i totally missed the first one, just saw the second casperjs |
| 17:36.49 | mindjuju | wow, 3hr workshop on web ui widgets |
| 17:36.53 | mindjuju | that'll be cool |
| 17:37.18 | mindjuju | darn, nothing on bash |
| 17:37.32 | josephscott | mindjuju: yeah, I wrote one for casperjs and filesystems with python and fuse |
| 17:37.47 | josephscott | both 40 minute selections |
| 17:38.13 | mindjuju | corban is learning python |
| 17:38.21 | mindjuju | he's got the book from no starch press i think it is |
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| 17:38.48 | mindjuju | ...sigh... i need to get on the ball with python <is that ok to say here?> |
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| 17:53.02 | josephscott | supernovia: this is tripping me out http://legendofvelda.com/2013/02/11/now-thats-dry/ |
| 17:53.18 | supernovia | Isn't that awesome? that was from Heartsbane |
| 17:57.03 | josephscott | for mindjuju - http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/02/electronics-border-seizures/ |
| 17:57.19 | josephscott | makes me want to leave my electronics at home on overseas trips |
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| 17:59.08 | Heartsbane | Lies |
| 18:01.25 | Heartsbane | <--- Doesn't provide anything useful |
| 18:03.59 | DexterTheDragon | josephscott: just encrypt your drive and delete the MBR when you travel |
| 18:04.32 | jsmith | josephscott: What, you have something to hide? |
| 18:07.29 | josephscott | jsmith: yes, all the Automattic secrets :-) |
| 18:07.55 | josephscott | DexterTheDragon: already encrypt my drive, but if they take it that doesn't fill me with warm fuzzies |
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| 18:08.20 | josephscott | especially with recent usb/firewire/thunderbolt hacks for defeating disk encryption recently |
| 18:08.47 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 18:08.54 | wps | I just got an email from a russian chic that wants to hook up |
| 18:09.07 | wps | she says that she is "cheerful, kind, sociable and fluffy!" |
| 18:11.04 | herlo | nice. Especially the fluffy part |
| 18:11.06 | herlo | :D |
| 18:11.33 | Bikerdan | Does she mean fluffy as an adjective or a verb? |
| 18:11.50 | Bikerdan | or is that an adverb... |
| 18:14.12 | Heartsbane | maybe a picture would be helpful |
| 18:15.24 | Bikerdan | There's a chance both could apply. If that's the case, I would probably pass on the picture... |
| 18:15.43 | Heartsbane | A real man would do it |
| 18:15.48 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 18:18.01 | herlo | Heartsbane: only 'you' would consider that a real man |
| 18:18.42 | Bikerdan | I don't know... My uncle in prison might as well. |
| 18:19.21 | Bikerdan | Just sayin... |
| 18:20.12 | herlo | Bikerdan: I also have an uncle in prison. He might, too.... not sure if that is saying anything about Heartsbane though... |
| 18:21.23 | Bikerdan | Hard to tell. |
| 18:22.30 | Bikerdan | Any of you have experience with Document based databases? |
| 18:22.40 | Bikerdan | MongoDB, Couch, etc. |
| 18:23.40 | Bikerdan | And when I say experience, I mean in a production environment. |
| 18:32.36 | mindjuju | so josephscott, you don't have to go that far to run into this |
| 18:33.20 | mindjuju | there is actually something being severally abused these days, and that is the right of police to sieze "evidence" or to secure items thought to have been *possibly* used in a crime |
| 18:33.56 | mindjuju | i found out about it in an article about a waitress who was given a tip after a meal from a man, check was for $10k, police seized as as having been possible drug money |
| 18:34.08 | mindjuju | they never returned it so she had to get a lawyer to get the money back |
| 18:34.35 | mindjuju | turns out some states are notorious for pulling over out of state vehicles and taking items |
| 18:35.24 | eggyknap | My brother in law had several firearms confiscated while he was under treatment for PTSD. He completed treatment, and was judged safe to have his guns back. He had to threaten California with legal action, and pay $200, to get them back. They said they wouldn't give them back because he couldn't prove they were legally purchased. |
| 18:35.35 | eggyknap | (on the subject of confiscation) |
| 18:37.28 | mindjuju | yup |
| 18:37.45 | mindjuju | gets me fired up because often times the police department receives money from the sell of forfeited items |
| 18:38.17 | wps | I have to send her an email to get the picture |
| 18:40.40 | mindjuju | josephscott, eggyknap, here is a quick article on a sadly common event of police confiscation - http://www.newschannel5.com/story/18241221/man-loses-22000-in-new-policing-for-profit-case |
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| 18:41.53 | eggyknap | "I certainly don't mind [if you search my vehicle, Officer]" is always the wrong answer, until they've established a reasonable suspicion you've done something wrong. |
| 18:43.55 | josephscott | mindjuju: ouch, that article is a painful read |
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| 18:44.58 | mindjuju | yup |
| 18:46.50 | mindjuju | important to remember though, it's not just tennesee, there are many states that have this problem, the waitress i was mentioning was in illinois if i recall |
| 18:47.44 | eggyknap | Illinois is no less a political machine run by gangsters than it was in the days of Prohibition |
| 18:48.00 | josephscott | you know, part of the challenge is that rallying people against such actions takes lots of energy, I end up having to carefully pick and choose which problems I put my energy towards |
| 18:48.16 | mindjuju | eggyknap, i think i read that article like 2 or 3 months ago, right? i want to review it again |
| 18:48.34 | eggyknap | I just saw this one; I didn't see when it was written. |
| 18:49.09 | mindjuju | you know josephscott, i think the one you planned for the new year is a good one, id stick with that |
| 18:49.21 | mindjuju | which curiously myself and several others also came up to that same idea |
| 18:49.24 | mindjuju | VERY curious, actually |
| 18:49.37 | mindjuju | (the one about strenthening neighborhood) |
| 18:50.10 | mindjuju | seems like that was a new years reso for you wasn't it? /me hopes he's remembering right |
| 18:50.21 | josephscott | yep, one everyone can do and depending on what you do doesn't require tons of energy/planning/time |
| 18:50.33 | josephscott | mindjuju: yep - http://josephscott.org/archives/2013/01/2013-shape-your-neighborhood/ |
| 18:55.14 | mindjuju | honestly, i think that's the only way we're going to fix stuff like this |
| 18:55.52 | eggyknap | My neighbor has official permission from the neighbor to use his loader to pull the cattle guards from the roads coming into town in the event of certain emergencies, to prevent an influx of refugees and/or fifth column :) |
| 18:57.17 | josephscott | that is kinda the opposite of what I'd proposed |
| 18:57.18 | eggyknap | s/from the neighbor/from the mayor/ |
| 18:58.54 | eggyknap | josephscott: it helps to understand the position of this town, and then it makes sense and jives more readily with your idea. This is the sort of place where people can take care of themselves pretty well, and already work well as neighbors. We're also right on the freeway, and in the event of the sorts of emergencies this guy has in mind (economic collapse, for instance), it's reasonable to expect swarms of city refugees wandering down I-15 en mass |
| 18:59.39 | eggyknap | Certainly some of those wanderers, most even, will be peaceful. They can get in just fine without cattle guards in place. So can violent people, but the violent people can't bring in their cars, which helps those of us already here. |
| 19:00.15 | josephscott | more isolationist than I'd hoped people would be in regards to strengthening their neighborhood |
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| 19:00.25 | eggyknap | Fair enough. |
| 19:04.08 | unum | when the weather gets warmer we hope to do more with our neighbors |
| 19:04.18 | unum | they do have neighborhood walk abouts once a week |
| 19:16.07 | TuxToaster | supernovia: that vid really is awesome |
| 19:16.26 | TuxToaster | and... could you imagine the inside of a blender with that (assuming it were 100% safe for food contact) |
| 19:16.32 | TuxToaster | even easier to clean |
| 19:19.22 | TuxToaster | lol @ "What if you spray water with it ? Will the water start to float ?" |
| 19:20.37 | supernovia | I know right? My thoughts exactly (re: awesome inner-blender coating!) |
| 19:20.51 | supernovia | you wouldn't even have to scrape down the sides for peanut butter ;-D |
| 19:20.59 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 19:21.26 | TuxToaster | though the inside of Blendtec jars is still ridiculously easier than normal glass jars. but still |
| 19:21.35 | TuxToaster | you'd practically just tip it upside down and wipe it off |
| 19:22.35 | TuxToaster | lol, I just showed it to a friend of mine and he said "they need to coat children with this stuff" |
| 19:23.48 | supernovia | lol |
| 19:24.05 | supernovia | man I know I'd be putting it everywhere |
| 19:24.23 | supernovia | which probably means it's carcinogenic or something. But … I mean… on the bottom of a sled even. Can you imagine? :D |
| 19:24.45 | TuxToaster | ooh |
| 19:24.47 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:25.10 | TuxToaster | put it on umbrellas |
| 19:25.19 | TuxToaster | then you wouldn't have to dry the umbrella when you go inside |
| 19:26.05 | TuxToaster | I'd coat the laminate floor I just put in my basement |
| 19:26.31 | TuxToaster | someone spills a drink, then you have kids chasing the balls of water around the floor rather than worrying that it'll soak into a crack |
| 19:26.50 | TuxToaster | plus, the floor would stay cleaner |
| 19:28.39 | ninnypants | has anyone run into issues where proxies will cache pages with "Cache-Control: no-cache" header? |
| 19:30.10 | TuxToaster | I've ran into problems with IE doing that, but not proxies that I can think of |
| 19:30.41 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: what did you do to fix the issue anything? |
| 19:31.11 | DexterTheDragon | I want it on my windshield |
| 19:32.08 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: with IE it was a matter of making sure that the other headers were set correctly, particularly the max age and making sure the time the server was returning was correct |
| 19:32.25 | TuxToaster | mind you, doing no-cache will not prevent caching entirely |
| 19:33.13 | TuxToaster | it just means it should always ask the origin server for stats on the request to see if it's current or not, which, if the server is returning the wrong time or something it might think it's still current when it's not |
| 19:33.35 | TuxToaster | if you did Cache-Control: no-store it should completely avoid caching it at all |
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| 19:34.20 | TuxToaster | I know there are a couple of specific flags you can give that target proxy caches as well |
| 19:34.32 | ninnypants | whole header was "Cache-Control: no-cache, must-revalidate, max-age=0" |
| 19:34.49 | TuxToaster | kk |
| 19:35.21 | TuxToaster | so you can also pass proxy-revalidate to target proxy caches |
| 19:35.32 | ninnypants | but I'm not 100% sure what the problem was so it may not be a proxy just had a person who was redirected and was unable to login |
| 19:35.51 | TuxToaster | yeah, could be a cookie issue or session problem as well |
| 19:36.09 | ninnypants | client says the person was using correct user and pass so I'm checking out what the problem could be |
| 19:36.24 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: yeah I was thinking about that too |
| 19:36.32 | TuxToaster | the proxy-specific flags might be worth a shot if you can reproduce it, but the thing is those target proxy caches specifically, but I don't think the normal ones avoid proxies |
| 19:36.54 | ninnypants | I suspected proxy because we haven't had any issues and this company is B2B so a messed up proxy cache could easily be a problem |
| 19:36.54 | TuxToaster | I think those are there if you only want to affect proxies but not browsers, where the regular ones affect both, not just browsers. Could be wrong though. |
| 19:37.05 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 19:39.31 | ninnypants | truthfully I'm starting to doubt that the person put their password in correctly |
| 19:39.53 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:40.06 | TuxToaster | wouldn't be surprising there. |
| 19:41.12 | TuxToaster | at one point I had to set up a log file on a tracking system we used to log the credentials used in failed login attempts for a short while so that when they'd come and complain to me that it wasn't working I could tell them what they were typing |
| 19:41.41 | ninnypants | interesting |
| 19:42.50 | TuxToaster | basically just had it so I could turn it on, tell them to try again, and if they still couldn't get in, I could see the attempt and try it myself or verify it with them. 99% of the time it was a typo that they weren't realizing or they were missing a letter. |
| 19:42.56 | TuxToaster | then just turn it off when done debugging |
| 19:46.05 | ninnypants | I could see something like that being used to steal passwords since a lot of the time people type passwords they use for other services if they can't remember the password |
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| 19:51.17 | TuxToaster | yup yup, that's why I only had it enabled when people were complaining about login issues. |
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| 19:52.55 | TuxToaster | in hindsight it actually could have worked to write in something so that if johndoe was having trouble, I could enable something on his account that would display a message back to him showing what he typed or something. That way nobody but the user actually sees the login |
| 19:53.41 | ninnypants | yeah only drop it back into the page of that current user don't store it anywhere |
| 19:54.24 | TuxToaster | yeah, wish I would've thought of that one back then. :P |
| 19:54.43 | TuxToaster | (though I did delete the file when I was done as well, but still) |
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| 23:38.13 | SunSparc | ~warm ninnypants |
| 23:39.17 | ninnypants | Though the alt text for that comic is the best part |
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