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| 00:37.29 | jnbek | ewww, gasoline and flesh flavored marshmallows >_< |
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| 03:04.50 | SunSparc | jnbek: I agree, it does not sound very tasty. |
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| 17:00.42 | ninnypants | $rlart |
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| 17:01.07 | knicholes | Gahhhhhhh!! |
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| 17:29.36 | mindjuju_ | so fate was with me today :) |
| 17:30.19 | mindjuju_ | stayed up mega late working on some promo for OpenWest, accidentally wake up mega late and drive to work after the roads were clear of workers driving to work |
| 17:30.31 | mindjuju_ | though that was scary enough |
| 17:30.34 | mindjuju_ | at least no traffic |
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| 17:36.33 | ninnypants | mindjuju_: I'm constantly glad I don't have to go into an office |
| 17:38.29 | herlo | ninnypants: me too. I just drove to provo and back to get some documents. It's crazy out there. Took me over 2 hours for a normally just over 1hr trip |
| 17:38.44 | mindjuju_ | herlo, yup |
| 17:39.16 | mindjuju_ | onramp for I-15 at University had snow high enough to hit the bottom of my honda, means about 3 inches high at least, that's the on ramp to the freeway |
| 17:39.32 | mindjuju_ | left lane had at least an inch |
| 17:39.57 | skinner | I have a client I'm working with that asked this question: "Database Pool: Monitor and quantify how that's looking. How is the connection pool working? Please confirm. I think you set it to 500, what's the average? Where are we peaking? I'd like us to identify where we should in fact set the connection pool." (CakePHP 2.0, MySQL) |
| 17:39.59 | herlo | mindjuju_: I just left there |
| 17:40.10 | skinner | I'm only aware of persistent connections, not connection pooling in PHP. |
| 17:40.19 | herlo | almost two hours ago, now. It was fairly high |
| 17:40.50 | skinner | Does PHP offer connection pooling? My google searching seems to tell me it doesn't..... |
| 17:40.59 | ninnypants | mindjuju_: I think my favorite part of working from home is being able to enjoy the weather no matter what since I don't have to go out in it |
| 17:41.59 | mindjuju_ | yup :) |
| 17:43.05 | herlo | ninnypants: it's great isn't it? |
| 17:43.54 | herlo | Also, I ride the train to the office when I do go. My drive is all of 5 minutes otherwise. |
| 17:44.23 | fungus | skinner, no, normal PHP deployments do not support connection pooling |
| 17:44.49 | fungus | it's technically possible, but almost unheard of to use a full appserver with PHP |
| 17:47.01 | skinner | ok that's what I thought |
| 17:47.05 | skinner | Thanks Fungus |
| 17:47.10 | skinner | fungus++ |
| 17:48.11 | mahelious | is connection pooling exclusively an odbc thing? |
| 17:48.34 | fungus | no, it's used with many databases and database connection methods. |
| 17:48.52 | fungus | Usually a feature of an appserver like JBoss and such |
| 17:49.33 | jsmith | With PostgreSQL, you can use pgpool for connection pooling |
| 17:49.49 | fungus | Basically a daemon running on the server that maintains a pool of connections, and the app requests a connection from the pool instead of connecting to the database itself. |
| 17:51.41 | fungus | for databases with higher connection overhead, connection session state, or extremely high numbers of connections, a connection pool can be useful. |
| 17:53.00 | fungus | very popular among J2EE and Oracle circles. |
| 18:00.15 | tierra | skinner: maybe your client is just confusing it with wanting to know where the MySQL max_connections are at? |
| 18:08.03 | skinner | Cool. Thanks for the help guys :) |
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| 18:38.08 | mgeary | hey, what regulates whether WP wants to use FTP details in order to update a plugin? |
| 18:38.44 | mgeary | as opposed to just pulling it down with curl or something. maybe a permissions issue? |
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| 18:39.26 | mgeary | yeap. permissions issue |
| 18:39.36 | ninnypants | yeah it's file permissions |
| 18:39.39 | josephscott | mgeary: http://codex.wordpress.org/Updating_WordPress#Automatic_Update |
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| 18:52.07 | tierra | not just file permissions btw, also file ownership... see josephscott's link |
| 18:52.34 | josephscott | there are a series of checks |
| 18:52.56 | tierra | that used to *always* give me trouble until someone finally explained why it does that check |
| 18:53.37 | tierra | for the longest time I thought WP was being retarded after I made every folder/file writable by the webserver |
| 18:53.57 | tierra | and it still wouldn't work because I was never using suphp or fcgi |
| 18:53.57 | josephscott | haha |
| 18:54.12 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 18:54.12 | raifbot | takes out a cattle prod and gives jnbek a good jolt. |
| 18:54.19 | josephscott | I used to go in and hack the checks until a new constant was added that could be used to over ride certain checks |
| 18:54.35 | TuxToaster | $8ball are you picking on jnbek again? |
| 18:54.36 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Yes. |
| 18:54.53 | josephscott | it was a shame to have a pure core WP install and then have that one lone change |
| 18:55.10 | tierra | what is that constant btw? |
| 18:56.03 | ninnypants | http://codex.wordpress.org/Editing_wp-config.php#WordPress_Upgrade_Constants |
| 18:56.13 | tierra | I couldn't care less if my files were mixed ownership in a lot of situations, and would actually sometimes prefer that only the wp-content folder was writable while the rest wasn't |
| 18:56.14 | ninnypants | you can force certain methods |
| 18:56.16 | josephscott | tierra: FS_METHOD |
| 18:56.35 | josephscott | what ninnypants linked to :-) |
| 18:56.42 | josephscott | ninnypants: wpslc still on for tomorrow? |
| 18:56.57 | ninnypants | josephscott: yep I need to get Dustin to send out a reminder |
| 18:57.03 | ninnypants | and I need to send one out on twitter |
| 18:57.20 | tierra | so just specifying 'direct' will just force it, skipping the ownership check? |
| 18:57.45 | josephscott | I'm using "define( 'FS_METHOD', 'direct' );" |
| 19:29.06 | romanovic | herlo: do you know who is most involved with sllug these days, aside from mecworks? you're the only person I know by name who was at the last meeting I went to (years ago) |
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| 20:04.50 | josephscott | this seems rather silly http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/29/3929110/surface-pro-disk-space-windows-8 |
| 20:07.45 | mindjuju_ | ~apb supernovia |
| 20:07.45 | ibot | ACTION summons Duane Lee to rough up supernovia |
| 20:07.52 | mindjuju_ | :( |
| 20:08.00 | supernovia | hey sorry, in a meeting |
| 20:08.05 | supernovia | I'll ping ya when I'm done |
| 20:08.46 | mindjuju_ | sent PM, reply when you can :) |
| 20:35.32 | tierra | I can't believe they stick to their guns on the recovery partition even on mobile devices... last I checked, Apple doesn't even do that on iMacs |
| 20:35.39 | tierra | it's such a waste of space |
| 20:36.03 | tierra | especially when the base install is north of 15GB |
| 20:42.03 | mgeary | tierra: Apple actually does do something a bit similar, though |
| 20:42.25 | tierra | does timemachine basically handle that? |
| 20:42.43 | mgeary | they take up disk space to create a mirror of the RAM contents. So if you have 16 GB of RAM, they take 16GB of disk space |
| 20:42.52 | mgeary | to allow for deep sleep recovery, i believe |
| 20:43.05 | mgeary | but on a SSD machine, where space is at a premium, i hate losing that :S |
| 20:44.19 | tierra | for a snapshot of the running state though... obviously you get that when you enable hibernate on Windows |
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| 20:44.39 | mgeary | yeah |
| 20:44.54 | mgeary | not *quite* the same thing, i grant you |
| 20:47.05 | josephscott | recent mac os x will create a recovery partition |
| 20:47.13 | josephscott | don't think it is super big though |
| 20:47.34 | tierra | I do keep the recovery partition intact on my work laptop, just so I can completely restore it should I ever have to turn it back in... but I've only ever had to use a recovery partition once, and it was on an old Win Vista laptop, so I don't think it really counts :P |
| 20:47.36 | josephscott | I looked when I set up my macbook air, I don't recall the details, but I remember thinking it wasn't big enough for me to be concerned about |
| 20:49.33 | tierra | real question is whether iOS does it with iPads... that's really what were talking about here with the Surface tablets with only 64GB storage |
| 20:51.28 | tierra | funny story regarding that Win Vista laptop though... I bought it around two weeks before Win 7 came out knowing they'd send me Win 7 free when it was out, and in the first week of having the laptop, Win Vista managed to brick itself (hence the use of the recovery partition) |
| 20:52.44 | tierra | pretty sure I deleted the recovery partition when I installed Win 7 though |
| 20:57.19 | josephscott | I don't think the iPads have recovery partitions |
| 20:57.36 | josephscott | I won't mind some truth in advertising guidelines for tablets |
| 21:23.48 | ninnypants | as far as I could tell they don't I think that's why the focus on backups as much as they do |
| 21:25.06 | fungus | the Recovery partition isn't used on MBAs. They come (as well as all recent Macs) with the online recovery w/o partition. |
| 21:25.28 | TuxToaster | iPads don't really.. there's a minimal bootstrap to handle firmware issues, but not much to prevent a breakdown and fixing the OS requires wiping the entire device and reinstalling |
| 21:25.43 | fungus | takes forever, but how often do you need to use it anyway. |
| 21:26.22 | TuxToaster | fungus: well, yes and no.. my understanding is that the recovery partition that Mountain Lion creates is specifically so that it can use the online recovery now |
| 21:26.41 | TuxToaster | or am I confusing it, and Lion was the one that had the recovery partition, and ML replaced it with the online version |
| 21:27.17 | fungus | the online recovery didn't come with ML, it came with new Macs. It's a BIOS/EFI thing. |
| 21:27.48 | josephscott | yep, my 2012 macbook air supports it |
| 21:27.58 | fungus | the recovery partition can be used as well too, if you so desire. |
| 21:28.06 | TuxToaster | ah, yeah I'm mixing it up then. I remember seeing an option during setup to install the recovery partition |
| 21:28.21 | fungus | Yes, it's there to give you yet another way to recover. |
| 21:28.28 | josephscott | I've never actually used any of the recovery things built into mac os x, so no idea how well it works |
| 21:28.32 | TuxToaster | I was thinking ML just had a stripped down version of that for the online recovery, didn't realize they loaded the whole thing into openfirmware |
| 21:30.42 | fungus | speaking of iPads and iPhones. They have a recovery mode built into the firmware in case of OS failure. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1808 |
| 21:32.47 | TuxToaster | yeah, the problem is it doesn't recover only the OS |
| 21:33.00 | TuxToaster | it restores the device, wiping everything on it |
| 21:33.02 | josephscott | yeah, but how much of that is iTunes reflashing the thing? |
| 21:33.08 | TuxToaster | exactly |
| 21:33.39 | fungus | it's all you should ever need. your data should be backed up already to either iTunes or iCloud |
| 21:34.01 | TuxToaster | the only thing receovery mode does is basically forces a daemon to start so that iTunes can access the phone if the OS won't get far enough for normal sync to work |
| 21:34.11 | TuxToaster | fungus: "should" |
| 21:34.12 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:34.18 | fungus | hehe |
| 21:34.43 | TuxToaster | it'd just be nice if the OS could be reinstalled without removing all of the data, only to copy the exact same data back in place an hour later (assuming the backup is 100% current) |
| 21:35.09 | TuxToaster | if it were partitioned so that the data went somewhere separately from the OS then you could wipe and reinstall without loosing data |
| 21:35.30 | TuxToaster | http://www.ksl.com/?sid=23894917&nid=148 <-- this is slightly what I was worried about when they started talking about wanting every teacher armed. |
| 21:35.56 | TuxToaster | no problems with arming people, but I do have a problem with keeping a supply of guns locked up somewhere at the school |
| 21:36.56 | TuxToaster | too many points of failure there if someone gets ahold of the combo or otherwise gains access to it. Or even more likely, other schools that try similar things by having the guns not in a safe but in some storage closet where they think they're safe |
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| 21:49.47 | herlo | romanovic: haha, nope |
| 22:08.39 | tierra | TuxToaster: well, MS recovery partitions have always been a complete factory reset |
| 22:09.36 | TuxToaster | yeah, but some recovery platforms let you reinstall the OS without wiping it |
| 22:09.49 | TuxToaster | I agree, most don't though. Kinda annoying |
| 22:09.59 | TuxToaster | but I think they're hoping that it will fix any problem you might be having |
| 22:10.34 | tierra | but yeah, that's what is so ridiculous... the Win RT recovery partition on Surface Pro is going to be exactly the same, just a factory reset.. they could do the same with some minimal recovery partition that resets from latest online image even with updates/patches pre-applied |
| 22:11.25 | tierra | but no, instead it's going to take up approx 15GB of your 64GB total space on the device for something that likely won't *ever* be used |
| 22:11.56 | josephscott | don't forget the space taken up by office and friends that ship by default |
| 22:17.11 | tierra | I guess in their defense, 15-16GB is quite a lot to download over the net during a recovery even with a high-speed connection, but maybe they shouldn't have loaded up all sorts of crap on it by default then either as josephscott points out, heh |
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| 22:51.52 | fungus | $rlart |
| 22:51.52 | raifbot | resizes kim27's terminal to 40x24. |
| 22:55.14 | josephscott | $8ball are you picking on jnbek? |
| 22:55.15 | raifbot | josephscott - My reply is no. |
| 22:56.20 | carmony | hows it going everyone? :P |
| 22:57.41 | beandog | meh |
| 23:04.11 | carmony | beandog: that sounds like... fun. |
| 23:04.12 | carmony | :P |
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| 23:10.41 | josephscott | carmony: going great, got to squish a bug today after trying to track it down since yesterday |
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| 23:15.48 | carmony | josephscott: thats why they call you the bug extorsist |
| 23:15.58 | josephscott | hehe |
| 23:15.58 | carmony | er, however you spell it |
| 23:17.18 | fungus | that's closer to extortionist than exorcist. but hey, any way you get rid of bugs is good right? |
| 23:18.00 | carmony | lol |
| 23:21.19 | josephscott | ~lolstats |
| 23:21.19 | ibot | total count of lol on #uphpu: 5406. Top 3: TuxToaster -- 1076 (19.9%), herlo -- 598 (11.1%), SunSparc -- 589 (10.9%) |
| 23:21.25 | josephscott | carmony! not enough lols |
| 23:21.42 | carmony | mwuahahahaha |
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| 23:49.10 | beandog | http://www.ismycomputeron.com/ |
| 23:49.26 | eggyknap | ...the successor to lmgtfy.com |
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