| 00:07.19 | mgeary | hey jsmith |
| 00:07.55 | mgeary | are you aware of any softphones for OS X that are really good. I've been using Zoiper for a few months, and it may not be Zoiper, but i do encounter a lot of issues |
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| 01:46.02 | mindjuju_ | SunSparc, you around? |
| 01:46.48 | mindjuju_ | any way SunSparc, maybe you were right? http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/55686984-90/amgen-hatch-bill-legislation.html.csp |
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| 02:46.04 | SunSparc | So frustrating. :( |
| 02:46.14 | SunSparc | ~Senator Hatch-- |
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| 03:15.16 | SunSparc | Deep down he may think he is trying to do what is best for the state, but his methods are poor at best. |
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| 03:41.37 | ninnypants | mindjuju_: SunSparc makes me want that tracker I was talking about even more |
| 03:42.24 | SunSparc | Seriously. |
| 03:42.55 | SunSparc | Freakin dirty politicians. |
| 03:45.15 | SunSparc | This whole bribery thing is really out of hand. |
| 03:45.35 | SunSparc | If I did not know better, I would think we were in South America. |
| 03:46.17 | ninnypants | I might start working on it soon but I have another idea I'm going to hack on tonight |
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| 04:31.54 | ninnypants | SunSparc: https://github.com/Br3nda/legislation |
| 04:32.08 | ninnypants | pretty cool |
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| 16:30.30 | mindjuju_ | DtD - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldyx3KHOFXw |
| 16:31.19 | mindjuju_ | song that got me hooked to electronica, i used to listen to that part at the end over and over again as a little kid :) |
| 16:32.01 | mindjuju_ | oh and the sequence in Tron where they are on the Solar Sail |
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| 17:08.48 | UtahDave | mindjuju_: ping! |
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| 17:44.40 | mindjuju_ | anybody got a moment to proof something for me? |
| 17:44.53 | poeticintensity | sup, mindjuju_ ? |
| 17:45.27 | mindjuju_ | hi poeticintensity, if you have a moment, can you give me some feedback on this - http://pastebin.com/w0XjZf2T |
| 17:45.43 | mindjuju_ | checking for grammar, spelling, flow, etc |
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| 17:45.48 | poeticintensity | sure. |
| 17:45.56 | mindjuju_ | thx bro! |
| 17:47.04 | ninnypants | some twitter people think github should be responsible for stopping people's stupidity http://www.scmagazine.com.au/News/330152,passwords-ssh-keys-exposed-on-github.aspx |
| 17:47.36 | poeticintensity | mind if I hack at it, mindjuju_ ? |
| 17:48.05 | mindjuju_ | sure, go for it |
| 17:48.42 | fungus | ninnypants, some people would rather not accept responsibility at all and make others responsible for them. |
| 17:49.50 | ninnypants | very true |
| 17:50.48 | josephscott | it would be nice if github made some effort to protect those people, to give them a chance to clean it up |
| 17:51.05 | ninnypants | they killed search for now it sounds like |
| 17:53.32 | poeticintensity | mindjuju_, here's my version. I hacked it up to crap, but I love (and was pretty good at) English. |
| 17:53.33 | poeticintensity | http://pastebin.com/iQ0yRaij |
| 17:54.48 | DexterTheDragon | you can't fix stupid |
| 17:58.49 | fungus | I agree w/ both josephscott and DexterTheDragon. Github should and has removed the new search feature temporarily to give them a chance to fix it. But after that it's the stupid people that are at fault. |
| 17:59.17 | mindjuju_ | ~poeticintensity++ |
| 17:59.23 | josephscott | so going forward what would you do? |
| 17:59.23 | mindjuju_ | ~utah_dave++ |
| 17:59.32 | poeticintensity | :) |
| 17:59.37 | poeticintensity | happy to help - hope it helped. |
| 17:59.47 | mindjuju_ | poeticintensity, i'll have to double check but you haven't posted your preso yet, have you? |
| 17:59.52 | josephscott | if there is a reliable way to detect adding private ssh keys to a public repo, then it would be nice to see github make that effort |
| 18:00.00 | DexterTheDragon | it's not even a new thing. There's been google searches that show ssh keys on github. You can just find them using github now. |
| 18:00.04 | poeticintensity | mindjuju_, I haven't yet. :( |
| 18:00.07 | fungus | disable search, email all users that search will be re-enabled soon, and tell them about the risks of uploading private info to a public repo. |
| 18:00.10 | josephscott | not as a requirement, but as a way to be extra helpful to their users |
| 18:00.41 | fungus | Beyond notification, I don't think Github has any other responsibility. |
| 18:01.02 | mindjuju_ | poeticintensity, i know you're busy with your studio build out, it's been fun to read on FB, but when you get a chance, i'd LOVE to have you present!!!! |
| 18:01.15 | mindjuju_ | PLEASE!!! 8) |
| 18:01.20 | josephscott | or I guess someone could just write a bot to look for keys in repos and have it email people :-) |
| 18:01.35 | josephscott | poeticintensity: you still at blendtec? |
| 18:02.07 | fungus | that works. |
| 18:02.29 | josephscott | just need to have github stop looking down on bots |
| 18:04.54 | tierra | how do they look down on bots? |
| 18:05.38 | josephscott | there was a thing recently about github trying to discourage bots |
| 18:05.47 | TuxToaster_ | $rlart |
| 18:05.47 | raifbot | slaps MikeHansenMe upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh. |
| 18:05.48 | tierra | they have all sorts of crazy service hooks and an extensive API just for bots |
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| 18:06.19 | TuxToaster_ | fungus: didn't GitHub do just that not long ago |
| 18:06.38 | DexterTheDragon | it's not something you can fix with code. Today it's ssh keys, but there's always more things like gpg keys, ssl certs, database passwords, etc |
| 18:06.41 | TuxToaster_ | actually not disabling search, but when they had some questions about ssh keys to repos they disabled everyone's and asked you to log in and verify |
| 18:07.09 | tierra | DexterTheDragon: also web app secret keys |
| 18:07.11 | tierra | I've seen those frequently |
| 18:07.22 | josephscott | tierra: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/12/github-bots/ |
| 18:08.12 | josephscott | I'm not suggesting that github or a bot will be able to magically protect you from all forms of mistakes, but for obvious ones, that people are clearly making, why not put some effort in that direction? |
| 18:08.18 | josephscott | that is what computers are for :-) |
| 18:08.58 | tierra | ah, those kinds of bots |
| 18:14.42 | TuxToaster_ | just have raifbot email people larts |
| 18:14.43 | TuxToaster_ | lol |
| 18:15.03 | TuxToaster_ | enough floggings ought to get the point across |
| 18:16.07 | josephscott | $8ball time for a github bot? |
| 18:16.08 | raifbot | josephscott - Very doubtful. |
| 18:16.26 | josephscott | ha, what do you know, you are just a bot |
| 18:16.29 | TuxToaster_ | $8ball is that just because you're lazy and don't want to do the work? |
| 18:16.29 | raifbot | TuxToaster_ - Without a doubt. |
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| 18:17.27 | mindjuju_ | VERY important news piece :: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/55439208-79/popeyes-lehi-restaurant-base.html.csp |
| 18:17.36 | mindjuju_ | FYI |
| 18:17.48 | TuxToaster | http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2013/01/apply-daughter-dating/ |
| 18:18.06 | mindjuju_ | almost as important as the news that Rasmus is keynote at OpenWest |
| 18:20.44 | TuxToaster | mindjuju_: was going to say, they already broke ground a while ago |
| 18:21.11 | TuxToaster | they've got a sign up saying it's a future location and everything |
| 18:23.11 | josephscott | guess I'll have to try popeyes some day |
| 18:23.32 | herlo | josephscott: they have one at the airport in terminal B :) |
| 18:23.38 | herlo | and it's worth it |
| 18:23.43 | macnewbold | yeah, once they open, I'm excited to try it. |
| 18:23.47 | herlo | macnewbold: it's open |
| 18:24.07 | herlo | but I guess lehi will be mindjuju_'s new favorite place |
| 18:24.13 | josephscott | I usually only eat airport food in airports that aren't slc |
| 18:24.36 | josephscott | since I'm only in slc to catch a flight (eat a home before) or heading home (eat when I get home) |
| 18:24.44 | herlo | haha, yeah. I usually only get coffee or something small. I will say though that there is also a Cafe Rio at the airport now too |
| 18:28.40 | TuxToaster | mindjuju_: so since UPHPU is at Vivint TP now, and that Popeyes is like two blocks away, will that make you come to the meetings more often? :P |
| 18:29.28 | TuxToaster | "Who wants Applebee's when there's a Popeye's up the street" -- mindjuju |
| 18:29.29 | TuxToaster | :P |
| 18:30.23 | herlo | lol |
| 18:43.08 | clintberry | uphpu is a vivint now? |
| 18:44.01 | herlo | clintberry: It was news to me as well. I didn't see it on the ml, but I am guessing it was there when they announced the meeting. |
| 18:44.09 | herlo | for this month |
| 18:44.36 | clintberry | Oh man, just saw the website. I am so bummed that I missed the Salt presentation |
| 18:44.53 | clintberry | Our consultants use Salt so we are trying to use it internally as well |
| 18:45.30 | herlo | clintberry: check out salt air on youtube |
| 18:46.09 | herlo | http://www.youtube.com/user/SaltStack?feature=watch |
| 18:46.39 | herlo | clintberry: there's also #salt if you wanna get started with community support. It's pretty noisy in there too |
| 18:47.40 | clintberry | herlo: Thanks! |
| 18:49.17 | herlo | clintberry: salt is awesome, enjoy |
| 18:50.23 | shalkie | herlo: There is also now a Greek Souvlaki and Market Street Grill, all by Terminal 2 entrance. |
| 18:50.57 | shalkie | And of course Squatters is still down concorse C, near the new Millcreek Coffee location. |
| 18:51.17 | shalkie | s/concorse/concourse/ |
| 18:52.05 | herlo | shalkie: indeedf. |
| 18:53.47 | josephscott | we can only stay at vivint if there is wifi for the meetings though :-) |
| 18:54.48 | TuxToaster | lol. working on it :-) |
| 18:57.15 | josephscott | would be nice to be back in bluffdale/draper |
| 18:57.34 | TuxToaster | herlo: did you note that to carmony? :P |
| 18:58.07 | herlo | TuxToaster: oh, I guess I could have done that. UtahPython used them last month. Nice place. |
| 18:59.58 | josephscott | I'm curious to see what the bluehost place will like in draper |
| 19:00.23 | herlo | josephscott: are they moving the whole operation to draper? Or just expanding? |
| 19:00.44 | josephscott | expanding, tierra would know the details |
| 19:01.15 | josephscott | I think their big move was from their DC building to the old WordPerfect complex |
| 19:03.26 | herlo | it's funny how many people I know that work for bluehost. Most of which I didn't know they worked there for a while. |
| 19:11.47 | jsmith | Yeah, we're sneaky like that |
| 19:12.58 | mindjuju_ | ~seen coolaj |
| 19:13.07 | ibot | mindjuju_: i haven't seen 'coolaj' |
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| 19:14.17 | herlo | jsmith: except that I knew you worked there pretty much from your start date :) |
| 19:14.37 | jsmith | herlo: Fair enough :-p |
| 19:19.20 | herlo | SunSparc: you don't really want to be associated with that riff raff do you? :D |
| 19:19.36 | SunSparc | Heh, not really. |
| 19:19.47 | SunSparc | So it worked out. |
| 19:20.36 | SunSparc | I would rather get paid to work on my own projets. :) |
| 19:21.04 | herlo | SunSparc: wouldn't we all? |
| 19:21.43 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 19:23.53 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:24.58 | TuxToaster | yeah, you'd much prefer the riff raff here at Vivint |
| 19:26.01 | herlo | lol |
| 19:26.37 | TuxToaster | some seriously shady characters here.. . I mean, take wps for instance. Lurks in here all the time. :P |
| 19:28.22 | herlo | TuxToaster: and there's that jsmith guy, nobody should trust him... :) |
| 19:28.34 | TuxToaster | it was much easier to pick on him when I was sitting right outside his door, now I have to resort to IRC |
| 19:28.51 | jsmith | herlo: Don't go there -- I'd be curious who the channel trusts more -- me or you :-p |
| 19:29.07 | TuxToaster | well, there's an easy way to settle that one |
| 19:29.10 | TuxToaster | ~jsmith herlo |
| 19:29.13 | TuxToaster | ~herlo jsmith |
| 19:29.13 | ibot | ACTION pokes jsmith in they eye with a sharp needle |
| 19:29.20 | herlo | lol |
| 19:29.21 | TuxToaster | herlo fights dirty |
| 19:29.44 | herlo | jsmith: really, we're going to do trusts? I think we should compare gpg signatures over the years then :D |
| 19:29.57 | TuxToaster | haha |
| 19:30.09 | jsmith | herlo: There you go, taking things out of context again -- I said "this channel" |
| 19:30.22 | herlo | jsmith: trust goes beyond UPHPU, you know... |
| 19:30.34 | TuxToaster | $8ball should we trust herlo? |
| 19:30.34 | raifbot | TuxToaster - It is decidedly so. |
| 19:30.39 | TuxToaster | $8ball how about jsmith? |
| 19:30.40 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Yes. |
| 19:30.51 | TuxToaster | $8ball how about raifbot? |
| 19:30.52 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Outlook not so good. |
| 19:30.55 | herlo | lol |
| 19:30.58 | TuxToaster | so.... |
| 19:30.59 | TuxToaster | yeah. |
| 19:31.09 | herlo | TuxToaster: sounds like you should trust us both |
| 19:31.13 | herlo | but not raifbot |
| 19:31.22 | TuxToaster | herlo: yeah that seems like a good enough reason not to trust you, in here. |
| 19:31.27 | herlo | haha |
| 19:31.37 | herlo | ~hahastats |
| 19:31.43 | tierra | herlo: what's your CAcert assurance level? |
| 19:31.48 | TuxToaster | you'd hire someone to do a php job and then covertly convert them to python. |
| 19:31.50 | TuxToaster | :P |
| 19:32.29 | herlo | tierra: I don't have one. Though I do know what CAcert is. I find it hard to justify that one since most of the time you have to import those certs into your browser. It doesn't help that CAcert isn't in the root and probably never will be. |
| 19:33.07 | herlo | albeit, there are services that could use CACert without the browser being involved. I just find that the browser is the most likely place for them. |
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| 19:33.44 | tierra | (it was a joke to go along with your GPG signatures as a measurement of "trust" |
| 19:34.02 | tierra | but obviously you can't be trusted! |
| 19:34.05 | herlo | tierra: hehe |
| 19:34.07 | herlo | I know |
| 19:34.24 | herlo | but if we're going to go down this line, clearly we have to give good reasons for those trusts. :) |
| 19:34.31 | jsmith | tierra: So, I have more CACert points than herlo... |
| 19:34.43 | herlo | you would, jsmith |
| 19:34.58 | herlo | jsmith: I do have a CAcert account, though I haven't used it since 2009 |
| 19:36.05 | tierra | I have 108 points, enough to assure others - which I have done the training course on, but would need a refresher course before I did more assurances ;) |
| 19:37.44 | herlo | tierra: we did one at FUDCon this year. I was in the room, but didn't do any assurances |
| 19:39.02 | wps | …lurk lurk… |
| 19:43.09 | tierra | I should clarify, anyone can assure, it's just that the person being assured doesn't get any points towards being assured unless the person assuring has passed the Assurer Challenge and is an official Assurer |
| 19:43.47 | herlo | right |
| 19:45.45 | tierra | I think CAcert did get a root cert added to Mozilla products iirc |
| 19:45.59 | tierra | but definitely not IE / Safari |
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| 19:54.39 | TuxToaster | surprising, since CA Cert is not as reputable... you'd think IE would have jumped right on that |
| 19:54.51 | TuxToaster | "Oh, Bob says it's okay, so I'll accept it!" :P |
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| 19:55.00 | TuxToaster | wps: I saw that |
| 19:55.27 | wps | saw what? |
| 19:55.28 | wps | huh? |
| 19:55.35 | wps | somebody's throwing something |
| 19:55.35 | TuxToaster | you lurking. proof. :P |
| 19:55.48 | TuxToaster | what? a llama?! |
| 19:55.53 | wps | :) |
| 19:56.03 | TuxToaster | that show never gets old |
| 19:56.19 | wps | my own birthday present… to me! |
| 19:56.22 | wps | yeahhhhhh! |
| 20:00.34 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: so wait, the code for Utah Python is UPHPU? |
| 20:00.38 | TuxToaster | :P |
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| 20:24.44 | ninnypants | is there a good way to move a mysql db on one server straight into one on another server or will I need to export into a file then import into the new server? |
| 20:25.05 | mgeary | if the DB isn't running, you can just rsync it over |
| 20:25.15 | macnewbold | ninnypants: best way is mysqldump, but if they're running the same version of mysql, mgeary is right i think |
| 20:25.31 | tierra | (only rsync if using the exact same MySQL version btw) |
| 20:25.37 | wps | I've moved it successfully before but everything I've read says that that's risky |
| 20:25.40 | tierra | oh, macnewbold beat me there |
| 20:25.43 | wps | dump/import is best option |
| 20:25.44 | macnewbold | s/best/most reliable and safest/ |
| 20:26.17 | ninnypants | macnewbold: that's kind of what I was thinking |
| 20:26.45 | ninnypants | I don't think I have enough access to do the rsync anyway since these are Xmission's Stackable servers |
| 20:26.54 | macnewbold | ah yes |
| 20:26.57 | macnewbold | then totally do the mysqldump |
| 20:27.09 | macnewbold | it's not lightning fast but it will work well |
| 20:27.20 | ninnypants | I was hoping I could dump from one straight into the other |
| 20:27.59 | macnewbold | yes: mysqldump foodb | ssh me@stackable.com mysql newdbname |
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| 20:34.20 | poeticintensity | josephscott, yes. |
| 20:34.24 | poeticintensity | I'm still at Blendtec... |
| 20:35.11 | poeticintensity | It's a good place to work. :) |
| 20:35.23 | poeticintensity | mindjuju, your announcment looked great! |
| 20:35.24 | poeticintensity | :) |
| 20:37.38 | poeticintensity | man... I need some Dew! |
| 20:37.46 | poeticintensity | Diet Dew, to be precise. |
| 20:38.20 | SunSparc | eww |
| 20:38.33 | SunSparc | I mean, Diet Eew. :) |
| 20:38.52 | herlo | lol |
| 20:42.49 | poeticintensity | 'tis the nectar of heaven, I tell ya. |
| 20:43.12 | tierra | mindjuju: I think you gave every user group the same UPHPU discount code, heh |
| 20:43.42 | tierra | oh, you did send out updates, heh |
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| 21:03.29 | SunSparc | poeticintensity: I would agree, if it were not for the Diet part. ;) |
| 21:03.58 | SunSparc | tierra: Every user group wishes they were UPHPU anyway. |
| 21:07.18 | herlo | heh |
| 21:09.14 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:39.56 | clintberry | This channel is way more active than utahjs and utahpython… I have all open during the day and this one is the liveliest by far :-) |
| 21:42.07 | ninnypants | clintberry: that's because this is where all the cool people hang out |
| 21:42.19 | ninnypants | #utahmakers is pretty active as well |
| 21:43.28 | clintberry | Joined! Thanks :-) |
| 21:44.08 | ninnypants | clintberry: you could always go talk in #anonops if you really wanted |
| 21:46.43 | clintberry | what is that channel for? |
| 21:46.58 | josephscott | if you have to ask you don't want to know :-) |
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| 21:48.13 | clintberry | fair enough :-) |
| 21:48.35 | ninnypants | I wonder how much the FBI watches #anonops |
| 21:48.52 | fungus | probably all the time |
| 21:49.11 | fungus | Which is why joining with a nick like clintberry is a very bad idea. :) |
| 21:49.22 | clintberry | oh, anonymous? |
| 21:49.30 | ninnypants | yep |
| 21:49.31 | clintberry | I already went in. I am on the watch list |
| 21:49.33 | clintberry | :-) |
| 21:49.57 | fungus | anyone taking bets on how long it takes for officers to start banging on his door? |
| 21:50.04 | ninnypants | they'll be knocking on your door later tonight |
| 21:50.05 | josephscott | $8ball 5 minutes before clintberry gets a call from the FBI? |
| 21:50.05 | raifbot | josephscott - Yes. |
| 21:50.56 | clintberry | If I get arrested I can blame ninnypants right? |
| 21:50.57 | ninnypants | sorry clintberry I figured you'd know what it was and avoid it |
| 21:51.06 | clintberry | ha ha, I'm sure I'll be fine |
| 21:51.34 | ninnypants | they'll probably just watch your internet history for a while ;) |
| 21:51.49 | fungus | heh, yup, but it's fun to poke fun. |
| 21:52.00 | ninnypants | better start using tor |
| 21:52.44 | clintberry | tor is so slow… I'll just make sure I don't do anything illegal for a while ;-) |
| 21:52.46 | fungus | lol that would make it worse |
| 21:53.04 | fungus | They'd see his traffic pattern change and dig even deeper |
| 21:53.08 | ninnypants | yeah it is |
| 21:53.47 | fungus | cause only the guilty have anything to hide... right? ;) |
| 21:53.56 | ninnypants | anyone played with https://segment.io/ |
| 21:54.18 | ninnypants | fungus: only the guilty don't give the government direct access to their computer |
| 21:55.01 | fungus | hehe, yup |
| 22:28.37 | ninnypants | $rlart |
| 22:28.37 | raifbot | whacks herlo with the cluebat. |
| 22:31.55 | josephscott | ~clue ninnypants |
| 22:31.56 | ibot | ACTION fans out Vegas-style a stack of clues for ninnypants "Pick one, any one! ...and don't show it to me." |
| 22:34.26 | ninnypants | interesting |
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| 23:08.03 | jsmith | ~cluebyfour ninnypants |
| 23:08.03 | ibot | ACTION beats ninnypants upside the head with a clue-by-four until he gets a clue |
| 23:08.14 | jsmith | ninnypants: Does that answer your question? |
| 23:16.01 | herlo | ~lart ninnypants |
| 23:16.01 | ibot | wallops ninnypants with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 23:17.21 | ninnypants | jsmith: I think it does |
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