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| 15:53.20 | josephscott | ninnypants: wpslc is on the 5th wednesdays now? |
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| 16:07.35 | DexterTheDragon | how many 5th wednesdays are there? |
| 16:09.18 | josephscott | don't know, but seemed like an odd date for a meeting |
| 16:09.19 | herlo | 3 |
| 16:09.46 | herlo | I wonder if it's just the 'last' wednesday of each month? |
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| 16:14.26 | ninnypants | josephscott: last wednesday of the month |
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| 16:17.15 | josephscott_ | that would be more likely, though still odd |
| 16:18.47 | ninnypants | it's the last wednesday |
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| 16:32.18 | josephscott_ | interesting hack - http://thredis.org/ |
| 16:32.33 | josephscott | carmony: for more redis fun ^^ :-) |
| 16:39.11 | jsmith | josephscott: That's scary! |
| 16:39.43 | josephscott | jsmith: indeed, but neat too |
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| 16:59.16 | SunSparc | fungus: lol @ that Emacs learning curve link. |
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| 17:49.18 | TuxToaster | http://www.ksl.com/?sid=23840120&nid=1014 |
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| 18:00.24 | mahelious | wonder if the "blue" laser is this http://www.wickedlasers.com.hk/arctic |
| 18:06.20 | UtahDave | fungus: ping! |
| 18:06.34 | fungus | pong |
| 18:11.53 | UtahDave | hey, have you had a chance to try out Salt? You had a lot of awesome questions at the presentation last week. |
| 18:13.05 | fungus | not yet, but I might try it on a sample sometime soon. |
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| 18:13.20 | UtahDave | cool. Let me know if you have any questions. |
| 18:23.20 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: no cutting laser? |
| 18:23.46 | TuxToaster | ~salt fungus |
| 18:23.47 | ibot | ACTION holds fungus down on the ground and pours salt into a fresh open wound |
| 18:24.32 | josephscott | $8ball was the the salt TuxToaster was thinking of? |
| 18:24.32 | raifbot | josephscott - My reply is no. |
| 18:34.01 | mindjuju_ | wowsa wowsa |
| 18:34.17 | mindjuju_ | apple is REALLY get the wind knocked out of it |
| 18:34.25 | mindjuju_ | down 11% today |
| 18:36.27 | mindjuju_ | http://www.google.com/finance?q=aapl |
| 18:39.38 | josephscott | the price you pay for making more money than any other company ever I suppose |
| 18:40.43 | mindjuju_ | so did they ever fix the apple maps thing? |
| 18:41.58 | mindjuju_ | this was pretty funny - http://toponday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/8Mhaa.jpg |
| 18:42.08 | josephscott | I hear they have, I never saw particular problems around here |
| 18:42.20 | josephscott | at least none any worse that what google maps gave |
| 18:42.44 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 18:42.44 | raifbot | explains, ever so gently, that if macnewbold doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help. |
| 18:42.56 | TuxToaster | mindjuju_: yup yup, saw that a while back |
| 18:43.35 | TuxToaster | josephscott: it's hit and miss. Most of the stuff I've seen around here has been pretty accurate, I've used the turn-by-turn a couple of times and had it literally give the next direction when I started turning at the light, etc. |
| 18:43.51 | TuxToaster | but I've seen a few houses, etc. that it couldn't find or put them in a different area |
| 18:44.24 | TuxToaster | I think their stock hit is because they refused to comment on making a cheaper phone and everyone's upset about it |
| 18:44.38 | TuxToaster | silly analysts |
| 18:45.21 | josephscott | yeah, shame on them for making more money than any other company ever and not giving into rumors |
| 18:45.30 | mindjuju_ | oh, i read the sales were "disappointing", ie. sure you soldmore than last year, it just isn't as much as we were expecting |
| 18:46.07 | josephscott | yeah, seems silly |
| 18:46.21 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 18:46.58 | josephscott | like my 3 year old having a fit because he wanted 10 pieces of candy, and he only got 9 |
| 18:47.06 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:47.33 | mindjuju_ | heh |
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| 19:30.52 | josephscott | mindjuju_: more food for thought on AAPL - https://twitter.com/rUv/status/294494421490216960 |
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| 19:45.57 | jsmith | josephscott: I'd utter the famous words "irrational exuberance", but they've already been uttered enough... |
| 19:46.43 | josephscott | hehe, need a new phrase, how about 'rational exuberance'? ;-) |
| 19:49.10 | josephscott | $lart exclusive locks |
| 19:49.10 | raifbot | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in exclusive locks's direction, hitting exclusive locks and sending exclusive locks flying into the closet. |
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| 20:01.52 | ninnypants | I wonder why it's only Perl and PHP that have this https://github.com/search?q=path%3A.ssh%2Fid_rsa+-path%3A.ssh%2Fid_rsa.pub&type=Code&ref=searchresults |
| 20:04.10 | fungus | eww |
| 20:07.52 | tierra | the only PHP repo (detected as PHP) was a repo for someone's tutorial app for CloudControl |
| 20:08.52 | tierra | funny enough, one of the "Perl" ones is actually a RoR demo app |
| 20:10.36 | tierra | another Perl repo is actually a Java app, heh |
| 20:11.31 | tierra | all the "home directory" repos just detect as whatever language was detected the most of it |
| 20:11.36 | tierra | s/it/in |
| 20:11.53 | josephscott | ouch |
| 20:20.17 | fungus | Yeah, I don't think there is any significance of languages displayed. It's more significant that there are 193 files matching that description in there. big no-no |
| 20:24.18 | fungus | Even if the SSH key is encrypted, uploading it to the public is still very bad. |
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| 20:34.08 | TuxToaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVcBj_37Umg |
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| 20:48.23 | mindjuju | they are closing out G4? wasn't a fan of AoTS, but was a fan of xplay |
| 20:50.15 | fungus | G4 is just changing it's programming to reach a different demographic |
| 20:50.30 | mindjuju | yeah? |
| 20:50.39 | mindjuju | what demo is that/ |
| 20:51.06 | fungus | http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/g4-will-become-esquire-channel-to-target-metrosexual-viewers/ |
| 20:51.19 | mindjuju | btw, the only thing of value (outside of xplay) from G4 was MXC |
| 20:51.38 | mindjuju | oh and unbeatable banzuke |
| 20:51.45 | mindjuju | but mxc was far better |
| 20:52.40 | tierra | rol... I wasn't expecting that |
| 20:53.27 | mindjuju | did you watch mxc tierra? |
| 20:53.45 | tierra | i meant in regards to G4 / Esquire |
| 20:53.56 | tierra | but yeah, I watched some MXC |
| 20:54.07 | mindjuju | yeah, that was weird |
| 20:54.23 | mindjuju | i'm just reading that adam sessler left xplay back in april |
| 20:54.32 | mindjuju | that's what i get for dumping cable |
| 20:54.47 | TuxToaster | I pretty much stopped watching when G4 took over |
| 20:55.37 | TuxToaster | haven't had cable or satellite in years so I haven't had much of a reason to go back... but IMO G4 really ruined a good thing in the first place |
| 20:55.52 | mindjuju | no doubt about that TuxToaster |
| 20:55.59 | mindjuju | i was a huge fan of screensavers |
| 20:57.05 | TuxToaster | yup yup. me too. |
| 20:57.47 | fungus | Ditto, then I moved on to Twit, but then Twit got me into audiobooks, I don't have time to listen/watch much anymore. |
| 20:58.37 | romanovic | Twit++ |
| 20:58.57 | tierra | I just pulled Twit out of my podcasts... was always skipping them anyway |
| 20:59.19 | romanovic | twit gets me home on the long evening drives when KSL insists on displacing regular programming with BYU sports |
| 21:00.19 | mindjuju | TuxToaster, remember yoshi's mods? |
| 21:00.20 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MSh0zVJK_U |
| 21:00.32 | ninnypants | I never got into twit |
| 21:00.43 | ninnypants | but I've really liked the shows on 5by5 |
| 21:00.50 | ninnypants | this is one I found today http://devhell.info/ |
| 21:01.03 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: heck ya. I actually did a couple case mods of my own based on some ideas I got from his |
| 21:01.15 | TuxToaster | nothing drastic but had a couple towers painted up with custom lighting and stuff |
| 21:01.37 | mindjuju | seems like he built a monster game station that had EVERYTHING possible in it, in a computer case with 1 plug |
| 21:01.53 | mindjuju | like it was nintendo, snes, atari, sega, playstation, etdc |
| 21:02.08 | mindjuju | that's soem crazy mojo |
| 21:02.42 | fungus | This American Life is the only podcast/show I listen to inbetween my audiobooks. |
| 21:04.19 | mindjuju | what audio books do you listen to fungus/ |
| 21:04.21 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: yup, I remember that |
| 21:04.27 | mindjuju | do they make audiobook tech manuals? |
| 21:04.38 | fungus | heh, no. lots of stuff really. |
| 21:04.42 | mindjuju | man page ala tech book? |
| 21:04.45 | fungus | Just finished King's Under the Dome. |
| 21:04.52 | mindjuju | oops, man pages ala audio book |
| 21:04.56 | fungus | lol |
| 21:05.07 | tierra | ninnypants: heh, I've met Selena Deckelmann at the GSoC mentor summits (a couple times) |
| 21:08.13 | fungus | lots of nonfiction like The God Delusion, and Republic Lost. But also fiction like The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. |
| 21:23.42 | fungus | heh, love reading about the drama in the tech industry. |
| 21:24.07 | fungus | Currently, Alan Cox slamming Fedora 18 as "the worst Red Hat distro". |
| 21:25.43 | fungus | also calling Linus an asshole (lovingly though) :) |
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| 21:26.52 | captbrogers | Two questions, who works at Vivint again and who uses/works on MariaDB |
| 21:27.49 | fungus | I have a MariaDB server running as a test to replace MySQL |
| 21:38.35 | TuxToaster | josephscott: so Automattic acquired Simplenote? that could be interesting. |
| 21:38.45 | josephscott | TuxToaster: indeed |
| 21:38.58 | TuxToaster | captbrogers: myself, Mac and Wade work at Vivint |
| 21:39.11 | TuxToaster | we don't use Maria here though. :-) |
| 21:42.37 | herlo | ~lart TuxToaster |
| 21:42.37 | ibot | beats TuxToaster to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 21:44.00 | TuxToaster | *gasp* |
| 21:44.25 | captbrogers | TuxToaster: my brother-in-law just got hired on the sales team |
| 21:44.50 | TuxToaster | eww, sales. (just kidding) |
| 21:45.21 | captbrogers | He's pretty good at it, and he said he wants to walk me around in there |
| 21:46.00 | TuxToaster | yeah, the corporate office is pretty sweet. We moved most of IT up to Thanksgiving Point a few months ago |
| 21:46.47 | captbrogers | fungus: thoughts on Maria being a drop-in replacement for MySQL |
| 21:46.57 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: wow, that's an oldie |
| 21:47.23 | fungus | our web dev group is still testing it's usability, I haven't heard any results yet. |
| 21:47.41 | TuxToaster | most of what I watched was even before that |
| 21:47.42 | fungus | As far as the build and initial data import, it took a full dump and re-import. |
| 21:48.02 | TuxToaster | oof |
| 21:48.32 | fungus | But it replicates from a MySQL master just fine. |
| 21:48.36 | TuxToaster | captbrogers: I've only lightly poked at Maria... but I know from experience that most "drop in replacements" are not as advertised. |
| 21:49.03 | captbrogers | Okay |
| 21:49.03 | TuxToaster | personally I take that with a grain of salt anyways just because you're changing what's reading and writing the data, even if it's intended to be 100% compat |
| 21:49.27 | mindjuju | i like salt |
| 21:49.31 | TuxToaster | Percona does indeed work decently as a drop in without having to reimport or anything |
| 21:49.41 | fungus | I think they mean drop-in replacement from the client perspective. Meaning your app doesn't care if it's Maria or MySQL |
| 21:49.47 | TuxToaster | most others that we tried were much more troublesome |
| 21:50.13 | TuxToaster | yeah, typically they say you can just upgrade directly too though |
| 21:50.23 | fungus | at least, supposedly. I'll know in a few weeks/months when I hear from web dev. |
| 21:51.43 | TuxToaster | but even then there are hiccups. One platform we tried had issues doing specific mysql features correctly and was more of a generic SQL support than a drop in for MySQL |
| 21:51.58 | TuxToaster | (Clusterix, which sucked for a number of reasons) |
| 21:53.21 | TuxToaster | but at one point we had test boxes set up and dropped Percona, an early build of Maria and one or two others |
| 21:53.25 | fungus | more than switching to Maria, I would prefer moving to innodb from MyISAM. |
| 21:54.11 | TuxToaster | found that performance wasn't really as significantly different as most advertised. Got better gains out of optimizing queries and indexes and making sure everything was in InnoDB |
| 21:54.30 | TuxToaster | I used to love MyISAM actually |
| 21:54.49 | TuxToaster | but if you've got a beefy box InnoDB does well |
| 21:55.06 | josephscott | fungus: at least innodb is the default now for newer versions |
| 21:55.16 | fungus | yeah, it has been since forever. |
| 21:55.27 | josephscott | sadly it hasn't |
| 21:55.43 | fungus | really I thought it was about 3-4 years ago. |
| 21:55.54 | fungus | which is forever in fungus terms. :) |
| 21:55.57 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:55.59 | josephscott | hmm, was only a like one major rev ago I think, 5.1 perhaps |
| 21:56.07 | TuxToaster | one big thing is to make sure that you don't have a mix of tables |
| 21:56.27 | TuxToaster | all MyISAM or all InnoDB is loads better than some of each, particularly if you've got some complex joins |
| 21:56.28 | fungus | I am about 90% MyISAM, with just a few innodb |
| 21:56.35 | josephscott | everyone just use innodb, unless you have a really good and specific reason not to (they do exist, but aren't super common) |
| 21:56.47 | josephscott | ouch |
| 21:56.59 | TuxToaster | using fulltext indexing is usually the big reason people stay on MyISAM |
| 21:57.13 | fungus | Not sure if they use that feature. |
| 21:57.13 | josephscott | I say that, and at the same time WPCOM has millions of myisam table, but we hit one of those specific reasons |
| 21:57.31 | josephscott | TuxToaster: which isn't a super great reason |
| 21:57.32 | TuxToaster | though most people I've met hate it (I actually really liked it when I used it, results from 15mil records in 0.03 seconds) |
| 21:57.41 | josephscott | use sphinx, or replicate the searched data to a separate myisam table |
| 21:59.31 | josephscott | TuxToaster: and newer versions of innodb support fulltext indexing |
| 21:59.36 | eggyknap | ISAM can be fast... but so can a 1988 Yugo. That doesn't mean it's a good idea. |
| 21:59.40 | TuxToaster | josephscott: yup |
| 21:59.46 | TuxToaster | eggyknap: lol |
| 21:59.55 | DexterTheDragon | y'all need postgres |
| 21:59.59 | josephscott | though honestly that type of searching has its own set of edge cases, usually better off having a separate search system |
| 22:01.20 | fungus | We use solr for doing searches. seems to work fairly well. |
| 22:01.38 | captbrogers | Has anyone had any luck with successfully installing and configuring suPHP |
| 22:03.07 | TuxToaster | been a long time since I've tried |
| 22:03.16 | TuxToaster | it was picky. |
| 22:03.38 | TuxToaster | had it as part of a hosting platform I was using to run each site under a different user |
| 22:03.51 | captbrogers | That's similar to what I want to do |
| 22:04.14 | captbrogers | I've got a handful of users on my server and I want to allow their user to write files/folders to the server so long as they are under their own user folder |
| 22:04.38 | captbrogers | I'm tired of having to go in and change the folder to apache's user/group all the time |
| 22:06.42 | fungus | captbrogers, have you considered either virtual machines for each user, or even multiple instances of Apache? |
| 22:07.03 | fungus | More admin overhead, but more secure. |
| 22:07.21 | captbrogers | fungus: Not really, I have a limited amount of RAM/CPU and it's mostly for two or three wordpress blogs |
| 22:07.21 | fungus | depends on the sensitivity between users really. |
| 22:07.43 | captbrogers | The users are my father, my cousin, myself, my brother-in-law, and my nephew |
| 22:07.49 | fungus | oh heh. nvm |
| 22:08.08 | captbrogers | I honestly don't care if they can see the files, and if one of them starts to get screwy with stuff I just call them and yell at them |
| 22:08.42 | captbrogers | "I will not hesitate to pull out my sonic screwdriver and wipe your blog from existence!" |
| 22:08.55 | fungus | lol |
| 22:09.29 | fungus | I pretty much said that to my sis who loaded my server with tons of music and videos she wanted to share with others. |
| 22:09.41 | josephscott | I am surprised how many places still run FTP, I would have figured by now that everyone would have pushed over to sftp/ssh |
| 22:10.41 | fungus | yeah, me too, but legacy stuff always seems to stick around longer than it should. |
| 22:11.13 | captbrogers | It comes in handy from time to time for me |
| 22:11.24 | beandog | FTP is awesome. |
| 22:11.34 | fungus | ~lart beandog |
| 22:11.34 | ibot | hereby declares beandog a troll |
| 22:11.37 | beandog | I'm actually rolling it out more |
| 22:12.03 | josephscott | I'm just trying to figure out the reason for keeping FTP, plenty of FTP clients that support sftp |
| 22:12.28 | beandog | josephscott: non system user accounts, jails, special upload settings, etc. |
| 22:12.29 | beandog | I could go on |
| 22:12.49 | beandog | If you're just looking for copying data, yah, sftp. If you want some cool features, do ftp |
| 22:13.17 | josephscott | beandog: are you kidding or serious? |
| 22:13.33 | beandog | I'm dead serious |
| 22:13.39 | josephscott | hard to tell over this crazy irc thing :-) |
| 22:13.52 | josephscott | what features are you getting from ftp that aren't available via sftp? |
| 22:13.53 | fungus | What's wrong with system accounts. |
| 22:14.01 | fungus | just lock down the shell. |
| 22:14.50 | beandog | I made a list of features I liked: |
| 22:14.55 | beandog | - all directives passed to binary as switches |
| 22:14.55 | beandog | - FTP accounts can be distinct from system accounts |
| 22:14.55 | beandog | - Can setup separate FTP user passwords from system account |
| 22:14.55 | beandog | - MySQL support |
| 22:14.57 | beandog | - quota support |
| 22:14.59 | beandog | - bandwidth throttling |
| 22:15.01 | beandog | - CLI app to see connections, bandwidth, etc. |
| 22:15.03 | beandog | - restrict access to IP address ranges, or only to it's own virtual host |
| 22:15.07 | beandog | - chroot |
| 22:15.11 | beandog | - connection during configured time-ranges |
| 22:15.13 | beandog | - .ftpaccess support |
| 22:15.15 | beandog | - Restrict access to dot files |
| 22:15.17 | beandog | - can disable chmod completely |
| 22:15.19 | beandog | - allows symbolic links, even when chrooted |
| 22:15.21 | beandog | - directory aliases supported |
| 22:15.23 | beandog | - uploads are atomic |
| 22:15.25 | fungus | eek, stop |
| 22:15.27 | beandog | that sold me. :) |
| 22:15.27 | fungus | ~pastebin |
| 22:15.28 | ibot | A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few: http://www.pastebin.com, http://pastebin.ca, http://channels.debian.net/paste, http://paste.lisp.org, http://bin.cakephp.org/; or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 22:15.31 | beandog | heh sorry |
| 22:15.34 | beandog | ~paste fungus |
| 22:15.56 | fungus | Most of that can be done w/ SFTP |
| 22:16.02 | fungus | pam_mysql |
| 22:16.11 | fungus | iptables |
| 22:16.46 | josephscott | beandog: you forgot the joys of passive vs. non-passive mode, all data in the clear, etc. :-) |
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| 22:17.54 | beandog | meh |
| 22:17.57 | beandog | its worth it |
| 22:18.01 | beandog | for what we're using it for |
| 22:18.15 | fungus | But I do agree, these things are simpler with FTP servers, but the risk is not worth it. |
| 22:18.21 | fungus | in most cases. |
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| 22:25.39 | captbrogers | Great success! |
| 22:25.48 | captbrogers | Finally got it |
| 22:28.50 | TuxToaster | ~lart beandog |
| 22:28.50 | ibot | slaps beandog upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
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| 22:30.19 | TuxToaster | actually, to beandog's points though, that is exactly why a lot of file sharing groups use ftp |
| 22:30.54 | TuxToaster | I'm kind of surprised nobody ever got around to making standalone sftp servers |
| 22:31.24 | TuxToaster | FTPS was closer but not terribly widely supported |
| 22:48.05 | herlo | first one to tell me the correct answer gets a cookie. What is the latest released version of php? |
| 22:48.50 | herlo | okay, two cookies |
| 22:50.52 | herlo | a cookie and froyo then, geez come on guys.... :) |
| 22:51.39 | clondon | 5.4? |
| 22:52.27 | herlo | okay, thanks |
| 22:52.30 | herlo | ~cookie clondon |
| 22:52.50 | herlo | I think that's broken |
| 22:52.54 | herlo | $cookie clondon |
| 22:52.55 | clondon | haha |
| 22:53.01 | herlo | ~froyo clondon |
| 22:53.02 | josephscott | stable release? |
| 22:53.07 | herlo | josephscott: yes |
| 22:53.09 | josephscott | PHP 5.5.0 Alpha4 today |
| 22:53.14 | herlo | that's not stable |
| 22:53.16 | herlo | but thanks |
| 22:53.18 | josephscott | stable is "PHP 5.4.11 and PHP 5.3.21" |
| 22:53.27 | herlo | ~cookie josephscott |
| 22:53.34 | josephscott | http://php.net/ :-) |
| 22:53.40 | herlo | josephscott: I know. |
| 22:53.51 | herlo | it failed |
| 22:53.53 | josephscott | hehe |
| 22:54.03 | josephscott | 5.3 is supposed to be phased out soon though |
| 22:54.20 | josephscott | not that that means much, lots of hosts and software will still support it |
| 22:54.32 | tierra | you mean 5.2 |
| 22:56.26 | josephscott | "the PHP 5.3 series will enter an end of life cycle and receive only critical fixes as of March 2013" |
| 22:56.31 | josephscott | http://php.net/archive/2012.php#id2012-12-20-1 |
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| 22:58.51 | herlo | josephscott: heh, RH will probably support it for a lot longer. |
| 23:00.02 | josephscott | mindjuju: more AAPL fun, 84% of smart phones sold by ATT in Q4 were iphones, crazy |
| 23:00.51 | josephscott | herlo: WP only requires 5.2.4 |
| 23:01.20 | josephscott | php version usage as seen by WPORG - http://wordpress.org/about/stats/ |
| 23:01.20 | herlo | josephscott: good to know, RH has 5.3.3 |
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| 23:02.22 | tierra | josephscott: figured you were referring to critical fixes / security... which 5.3 will still get after March |
| 23:03.10 | josephscott | hitting EOL is a good reason to move on for most software, unless it is Windows XP :-) |
| 23:03.18 | tierra | 5.2 is about to stop getting those though |
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| 23:05.02 | poeticintensity | huzzah for scare tactics! |
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| 23:06.07 | beandog | "Your server will die, yes, DIE, if you continue to use 5.3" |
| 23:07.43 | josephscott | all that said, right now 5.3 is probably the sweet spot for most folks, we've still seen some odd quirks with 5.4 in some cases |
| 23:08.09 | poeticintensity | It sure caused a ruckus with cakephp... |
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| 23:33.27 | TuxToaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsEPKkS5KSY |
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| 23:54.45 | UtahDave | mindjuju: ping! |
