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| 15:40.14 | poeticintensity | When is UTOS going to be this year? |
| 15:40.22 | poeticintensity | mindjuju, ^^^ |
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| 15:48.22 | eggyknap | poeticintensity: http://www.openwest.org/ |
| 15:48.31 | eggyknap | "May 2 – 4, 2013 in Orem, Utah" |
| 15:48.42 | poeticintensity | Thanks! |
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| 15:48.49 | supernovia | Are either of you speaking at it? |
| 15:49.00 | poeticintensity | heh me? |
| 15:49.20 | eggyknap | I imagine no one will know who's speaking until after the voting period, which IIRC is sometime in Feb. |
| 15:49.23 | poeticintensity | Last year, Victor really wanted me to showcase my studio set-up, because it's all OSS. |
| 15:49.31 | poeticintensity | I might just do that this year. |
| 15:49.35 | poeticintensity | we'll see how it goes. |
| 15:49.36 | eggyknap | "Community voting takes place on Feb 11 – 15 and speaker notification on Feb 18th." |
| 15:49.44 | poeticintensity | I see. |
| 15:49.59 | poeticintensity | So UTOS is now OpenWest? |
| 15:50.08 | eggyknap | yup |
| 15:50.18 | supernovia | You totally should poeticintensity |
| 15:50.27 | eggyknap | (ref. http://www.openwest.org/utos-conference-becomes-open-west-conference/) |
| 15:50.29 | supernovia | and yeah, people were coming in from idaho, california, colorado, NM ... |
| 15:50.44 | supernovia | might as well include them all officially :) |
| 15:50.50 | poeticintensity | right on. |
| 15:51.00 | mahelious | ouch. just got pwned by a group policy java update |
| 15:51.04 | mahelious | http://imgur.com/cjMXV |
| 15:51.14 | mahelious | didn't even see it coming. |
| 15:51.25 | captbrogers | I did |
| 15:51.30 | captbrogers | It's to the right of the tree |
| 15:51.35 | captbrogers | Saw it fast enough I could begin to run away |
| 15:52.15 | captbrogers | But then it would catch up, pounce on me, and I would die an agonizing death while it ate me. All to the sound of some nicely played orchestra so the audience believes it's just nature being magical |
| 15:52.40 | captbrogers | ...I've got a question. Did someone spike my morning Mt. Dew? |
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| 15:54.51 | poeticintensity | LOL |
| 15:54.52 | poeticintensity | love it. |
| 15:55.32 | poeticintensity | Easy.... http://i.imgur.com/Fobjc.png |
| 15:56.05 | captbrogers | I don't get it |
| 15:57.30 | mindjuju | o.O |
| 15:57.36 | mindjuju | O.o |
| 15:57.42 | mindjuju | o.o |
| 15:57.50 | mindjuju | -.- |
| 15:57.58 | eggyknap | mindjuju is doing eyebrow exercises |
| 15:58.01 | mahelious | <('_ ' <) |
| 15:58.03 | captbrogers | /o/ |
| 15:58.06 | captbrogers | \o |
| 15:58.08 | mahelious | <('_')> |
| 15:58.14 | mahelious | (>' _')> |
| 15:58.22 | mahelious | kirbys on the move |
| 15:58.35 | captbrogers | (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ |
| 15:58.57 | mahelious | :( xchat doesnt show a table being flipped. how sad |
| 15:59.02 | captbrogers | Hah |
| 15:59.06 | captbrogers | My chat program does |
| 15:59.31 | mindjuju | so PI, i'd LOVE to have you at openwest!! |
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| 16:20.38 | mindjuju | :) |
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| 16:30.12 | HumanCell | Google Glass ... APIs are REST. Where does your code run that *calls* the REST APIs? http://allthingsd.com/20130115/google-glass-to-hold-developer-events-in-two-weeks/ |
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| 16:54.24 | mindjuju | i'm not sure how long it has been on, but biden is addressing gun violence |
| 16:54.30 | mindjuju | http://news.yahoo.com/video/abc-news-plus-special-report-220000361.html |
| 16:55.21 | mahelious | have the executive orders been announced yet? |
| 16:55.41 | mindjuju | i think it is coming up now |
| 16:55.45 | mindjuju | or like in a minute or two |
| 16:57.18 | mindjuju | President is on now |
| 17:02.49 | captbrogers | It will be incremental |
| 17:03.02 | captbrogers | The changes, I mean. He won't take guns away out-right |
| 17:03.24 | captbrogers | It will be a small change, something people will get upset about but nothing major enough to take action, just grumble a lot. |
| 17:09.23 | mgeary | bah |
| 17:09.32 | mgeary | what a tyrannical all-out assault on liberty! |
| 17:09.51 | captbrogers | I'm not watching it, what is being said |
| 17:10.09 | fungus | mgeary, lol |
| 17:10.43 | mindjuju | *universal background check *ban military assault weapons *10 round limit on magazine *punish circumvention of background check |
| 17:11.10 | captbrogers | What constitutes as a "military assault weapon", anything the military uses? |
| 17:11.13 | mindjuju | he said there are more through ED, but these are the ED he's announcing now |
| 17:12.54 | mindjuju | he didn't go into detail |
| 17:13.25 | mindjuju | srry, i'm actually working on a server, just paused the techno to hear the President's comments |
| 17:13.57 | eggyknap | The thing is, firearms laws are generally passed in response to crime, and generally wouldn't have stopped the crime in question. http://www.weerdworld.com/2013/writing-laws-for-crimes-that-didnt-violate-them/ |
| 17:15.04 | eggyknap | This is no different. |
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| 17:15.33 | captbrogers | Well schools are gun free zones by law. Criminals should respect that law |
| 17:16.05 | eggyknap | Not in Utah they're not. Funny how peaceful Utah schools have been.. |
| 17:16.34 | eggyknap | (Ok, it's fallacious of me to say that; there's no evidence there would have been a shooting here anyway) |
| 17:17.12 | captbrogers | True |
| 17:17.17 | mgeary | yes, in Utah teachers are actually allowed to carry guns. Given that, i wonder how many of them *do* |
| 17:17.22 | supernovia | knock on wood. |
| 17:18.20 | captbrogers | *This is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause* |
| 17:18.32 | mgeary | because even if you believe the NRA, and feel that's the best solution, i seriously doubt you'd find many teachers willing to pack heat |
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| 17:19.04 | supernovia | I don't like it when people brag about utah schools being gun-safe zones |
| 17:19.06 | eggyknap | Ask 'em. There were hundreds showing up at Utah concealed carry classes. |
| 17:19.24 | supernovia | seems like we're just making it a fun challenge for some creepo out there. |
| 17:19.44 | eggyknap | Until you can get rid of the creeps, that's pretty much your only option. |
| 17:20.54 | josephscott | supernovia: I recall reading that if you have a concealed carry permit you are allowed to bring a gun to school, so I don't think utah schools fall into that category |
| 17:21.28 | supernovia | no I mean I don't like that people brag that teachers could be packing heat |
| 17:21.35 | supernovia | because someone could see that as a challenge |
| 17:21.48 | eggyknap | It's silly to brag about your defenses in any situation. |
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| 17:22.11 | eggyknap | Unless you can prove your neighbor is less well defended, and you don't care much about your neighbor getting toasted. |
| 17:29.08 | TuxToaster | supernovia: completely agreed |
| 17:30.22 | TuxToaster | I tried having a discussion with my mother-in-law (a teacher who thinks all teachers should carry) because I thought that knowing the teachers had guns wasn't going to prevent the attacks and could possibly increase them |
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| 17:30.54 | TuxToaster | not to mention, what happens when someone who is a teacher has a nervous breakdown and snaps and has the gun right there? I'd hope it never happens... but it could. |
| 17:30.57 | mahelious | http://google-latlong.blogspot.ca/2013/01/never-ass-ume.html |
| 17:31.00 | mahelious | vindication! |
| 17:31.53 | TuxToaster | lol nice |
| 17:32.31 | eggyknap | Knowing the teachers have guns certainly won't prevent every attack, but it will certainly prevent some. It might also encourage some. So the question is which number will be bigger? Also, if the teacher snaps, having a gun or not will not make loads of difference. Kids are pretty easy to maim / kill. |
| 17:33.11 | TuxToaster | mahelious: I thought it was actually travelling the other direction, BUT I could easily see the donkey standing up in the cloud of dust when the camera was a ways down the road |
| 17:33.11 | eggyknap | But frankly, those against carrying weapons in various places have always parrotted the "there will be blood in the streets!!1" argument prior to allowing concealed carry in various places. They've always been wrong. |
| 17:33.46 | TuxToaster | yeah, I'm not against allowing teachers to carry, I just don't think that arming *every* teacher is the answer either |
| 17:34.11 | supernovia | Guns scare the daylights out of me. I'm OK with other people carrying. I just wish they wouldn't brag about it. |
| 17:34.33 | eggyknap | Definitely agree. It's never a good idea to say, "Here, you have to have a gun." Too many people that actually want to handle a gun require lots of effort to do it properly (my $wife... </cough>) |
| 17:34.33 | captbrogers | I always think it's odd that people would flip out and say, "well what if the kids got the gun!!1" |
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| 17:34.40 | TuxToaster | supernovia: yup yup |
| 17:34.54 | TuxToaster | eggyknap: lol |
| 17:35.02 | eggyknap | captbrogers: yeah, does that actually happen? "What if wooly mammoths stormed the school??!1" |
| 17:35.43 | captbrogers | I've always responded that if the teacher is trained to carry the gun, the odds of that happening are so small that it isn't a concern, and if the kids are old enough to try to take it from the teacher, then they are old enough to be taught by the parents (heaven forbid a parent take an active roll in teaching their children!) proper respect for guns |
| 17:35.45 | TuxToaster | captbrogers: yeah, I'd be less worried about kids getting the gun (though if the teacher brags about having one and tells them where they keep it, it's possible...) and more worried about making sure that the teacher isn't going to make a poor decision. |
| 17:36.17 | eggyknap | Teachers already chose to work in public school. There's a poor decision for you. </snork> |
| 17:36.25 | TuxToaster | heh |
| 17:36.57 | supernovia | my mom taught public school :) |
| 17:37.06 | captbrogers | All of my children when they are 12 will be taken to a gun range with me and a few of their uncles (they are the ones who own guns) and they will learn to shoot. They only have to go once, learn the basics and safety, then they don't have to come again unless they want to |
| 17:37.16 | TuxToaster | I'm not a fan of how it's run. Mostly because it's too easy for a few bad apples to have a huge effect |
| 17:37.29 | eggyknap | supernovia: so did mine. |
| 17:37.30 | supernovia | most kids don't have other options though so I'm glad for the teachers who do their best. |
| 17:37.51 | eggyknap | TuxToaster: I took my boys when they were 6 and 4, or thereabouts. I've never seen them better behaved. |
| 17:38.12 | TuxToaster | my wife spent years getting her degree and working towards teaching, only to have two principals ruin her desire to teach and paint her as a bad teacher because she didn't teach the way *they* would teach |
| 17:38.17 | eggyknap | My three year old girl loves shooting, though she goes on to other things after not too long. Fortunately we can shoot in my back yard, so it's not a waste of range fees to take her :) |
| 17:39.16 | eggyknap | (aside: polygamy was one thing that kept Utah from being a state for a long time. The other was that Utahns, and the LDS church specifically, refused for a long time to accept having public schools, but the feds insisted) |
| 17:39.47 | TuxToaster | frustrating part for her was when she taught a lesson to her 6th grade class on modeling stuff with clay I think it was. The principal reprimanded her for teaching it because she thought it was a waste of time. |
| 17:40.36 | TuxToaster | At the end of the year, her students were the only ones who knew how to do it for the core tests, but she was still let go because she didn't follow instruction, had unconventional methods, and lack of discipline. go figure. |
| 17:41.24 | captbrogers | TuxToaster: Public schools are quickly becoming almost like a factory |
| 17:41.40 | captbrogers | You call in line, and just let the students go along the conveyor belt |
| 17:42.03 | mindjuju | another brick in the wall? |
| 17:42.22 | TuxToaster | (lack of discipline was because she had some problem kids in the class, but the principal often let them off the hook, even after they slammed my wife's hand in her classroom door) |
| 17:42.46 | captbrogers | I honestly don't understand how some people can believe they can send their child through a public school without supplementing their education with time at home |
| 17:43.08 | mindjuju | captbrogers, totally agree |
| 17:43.18 | eggyknap | +1 |
| 17:43.26 | TuxToaster | second principal wasn't nearly as bad, but she still didn't like that she was teaching stuff differently even if it worked. So my wife gave up teaching. |
| 17:43.32 | mindjuju | we have a private tutor for corban and some extra stuff from tiff and i |
| 17:43.33 | supernovia | I really want to homeschool my kids eggyknap. Judging on how it goes at your house, do you think it'd be doable for a single mom who has to work full time? |
| 17:43.39 | captbrogers | I am going to have a 20 to 30 minute lesson with my kids each day after school. We will talk about what they learned and I will help them with that or we will learn something new |
| 17:44.06 | TuxToaster | supernovia: your kiddos are in a charter school now, right? |
| 17:44.07 | eggyknap | supernovia: I have no idea how single moms do all they do even without homeschool. So I can't say. :) |
| 17:44.32 | supernovia | They are in a charter school right now, and a good one |
| 17:44.48 | TuxToaster | yup. At least better than a regular public school |
| 17:44.52 | supernovia | but as the kids get older their teachers have gotten a bit overzealous with the homework assignments |
| 17:44.59 | supernovia | mary had 150 assignments last quarter |
| 17:45.01 | eggyknap | homeschooling parents tend to be manic depressive about the results of their efforts, I think. Periodically they're overjoyed by how well things go, and other times they're despondent about hwo they will ever accomplish anything and whether their kids will manage to compete effectively. |
| 17:45.04 | TuxToaster | oof |
| 17:45.20 | supernovia | 150. And because they go to their dads, I only have M-W to help them complete them |
| 17:45.41 | TuxToaster | I thought one of the keystones of charter schools was that they often did more hands on / interactive learning than homework assignments |
| 17:45.49 | supernovia | Ethan didn't have quite so much homework, but part of that is that they've put him in an independent study class for his math |
| 17:46.02 | TuxToaster | I always struggled with homework in school, even though I could easily get 100% on the tests |
| 17:46.08 | supernovia | Apparently that changes at 5th grade? Mary's teacher is a n00b… so maybe it's that |
| 17:46.23 | supernovia | well, yeah. |
| 17:46.36 | supernovia | Mary had some algebra problems that each took about 10-20 minutes to solve |
| 17:46.49 | supernovia | her teacher assigner her … 18? 20 of them? |
| 17:47.02 | supernovia | for MONDAY? :-p In addition to her other homework? |
| 17:47.18 | supernovia | She's ten, btw. Fifth grade. I think that's a bit much. |
| 17:48.21 | josephscott | 18 to 20 every night? |
| 17:48.23 | TuxToaster | yes and no -- I remember having about that size of assignment in 6th grade at least, the key is the complexity of the problems. If they are expected to take 10 minutes each, then yes, definitely a bit much. |
| 17:48.44 | TuxToaster | If the teacher is expecting that she should be able to do the whole paper in 10-20 minutes, then seems like there's a disconnect |
| 17:48.46 | supernovia | 18-20 of those problems on Monday. The assignments vary every day. I'll just say it is _a lot_ of homework. |
| 17:48.58 | mahelious | id expect the first few to take 10-20 minutes, and the rest to be 5-10 minutes once she picks up on the concept |
| 17:49.28 | supernovia | Mary was working with my mom (a math major and retired teacher) |
| 17:50.10 | unum | I'd probably contact the teacher with this approach, "I was helping Mary with her homework and it took x amount of time, is there some sort of short cut we should be using, or could you show me how to do these problem is < 20 minutes" |
| 17:50.18 | supernovia | It did end up taking them about 3 hours, so she did pick up speed after the first few. Still. |
| 17:50.47 | supernovia | they're on a new concept now (because it's wednesday). |
| 17:51.55 | supernovia | but yeah I've contacted the principle and the teacher before. they just say she needs to be disciplined. and I'll agree, she does tend to mentally wander off after one or two of those. |
| 17:52.17 | supernovia | (which is why my mom is involved now) |
| 17:55.42 | supernovia | that concern btw is why I haven't dared try homeschool. ;-p |
| 17:59.24 | supernovia | which kinda brings me back to: I'm glad we have public (which includes charter) schools, and teachers willing to work in them ;-p |
| 18:01.34 | TuxToaster | yup. |
| 18:02.42 | TuxToaster | I'm glad at least some of them are decent. My kiddo is in a public school that's a couple of blocks from the house, and so far they've been good. |
| 18:03.32 | josephscott | we've been fairly happy with the elementary school in our neighborhood |
| 18:03.37 | TuxToaster | http://www.ksl.com/?sid=23738419&nid=148 definitely looked interesting though, but stuff like that I'd want to see it in action before testing it by getting him enrolled |
| 18:07.53 | supernovia | sounds cool — but also like they'll need some guinea pigs ;-p |
| 18:09.22 | opapo | If I want to contract out coders for a c or java or VB project where should I go locally and how much (range) do they charge? |
| 18:10.52 | HumanCell | opapo: depending on required skills and scope of project |
| 18:12.00 | HumanCell | Biden announces ban on "Assualt Fingers" coming next! http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2013/01/15/parents-furious-after-young-boys-suspended-after-playing-with-imaginary-weapon/ |
| 18:12.48 | opapo | HumanCell: This will not be a big project and should be fairly simple. I just don't have the time to code it |
| 18:13.28 | HumanCell | Client app or server app? GUI? Web? |
| 18:13.41 | opapo | There is a standalone application that talks to multiple databases. |
| 18:14.03 | opapo | the client wants to consolidate databases. |
| 18:38.27 | mindjuju | i don't mean to stoke any flames here, but somehow i feel that we are moving into stupidville - http://www.myfoxny.com/story/20590152/elmont-high-school-under-lock-down |
| 18:39.04 | eggyknap | srsly |
| 18:43.29 | mindjuju | and that 5yr old being suspended for making his hand into a gun? i remember playing GI Joe in elementary school with friends. and we had machine guns and grenades |
| 18:45.11 | opapo | I feel that there will be a few more incidents like the because of "an abundance of precaution" |
| 18:45.34 | opapo | after a while the "abundance of precaution" will lessen |
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| 18:56.53 | DexterTheDragon | this would have been around 2006/2007 but I had a coworker whose son was arrested after him and his friends were playing with toy guns in a church parking lot |
| 18:58.20 | mindjuju | arrested? |
| 19:00.14 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: more or less. they were high school age. some old lady called the cops saying there was a gang shootout and they drove away. they got swarmed by a dozen cops down the road. The truck was impounded cause it had either a hunting rifle or just the ammo behind the seat. Kids were all drove home by the cops. |
| 19:00.58 | TuxToaster | wow |
| 19:13.22 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 19:13.22 | raifbot | hereby declares TuxToaster a troll. |
| 19:13.32 | TuxToaster | ~sad trombone |
| 19:13.32 | ibot | ACTION shakes her head sadly at trombone |
| 19:13.36 | TuxToaster | ... |
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| 20:45.39 | solarflux | Hiyaa all! |
| 20:47.16 | ninnypants | ~greet solarflux |
| 20:47.16 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on solarflux |
| 20:47.42 | ninnypants | ibot: that's not that great of a greeting |
| 20:47.50 | solarflux | I 'm glad to meet all here |
| 20:48.12 | solarflux | :d:d |
| 20:48.24 | solarflux | PHP is wonderful |
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| 21:03.43 | unum | ha solarflux |
| 21:03.45 | unum | hi I meant |
| 21:03.55 | unum | but ha works as well..... |
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| 21:15.56 | TuxToaster | http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/16/were-bringing-techcrunch-back/ for as long as it lasts |
| 21:16.11 | TuxToaster | hard to say if it was intentional to post that or not, but yeah. lol. |
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| 21:52.45 | Bikerdan | Anybody here use Doctrine? |
| 22:01.46 | solarflux | What's Doctrine? |
| 22:10.07 | fungus | it's a PHP database abstraction layer and ORM |
| 22:10.22 | fungus | I've never used it though, just read summaries |
| 22:11.09 | Bikerdan | Anyone have experience with any of the common PHP ORMs? |
| 22:13.22 | fungus | Bikerdan, sorry, no. I do have experience w/ SQLObject and SQLAlchemy in Python though. :) |
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| 22:16.32 | Bikerdan | fungus: Thanks for taking the time anyway. Much appreciated. :) |
| 22:17.11 | Bikerdan | I've specifically been looking at three common ORMs for PHP and was hoping someone here had experience with them. |
| 22:17.24 | Bikerdan | They are RedBeanPHP, Propel, and Doctrine 2.0 |
| 22:17.45 | Bikerdan | They all have their pros and cons. |
| 22:18.27 | Bikerdan | Doctrine is probably the most robust. RedBeanPHP is the most lightweight. It is also really slick. But I probably wouldn't use it for an enterprise solution.] |
| 22:18.32 | tierra | there was a discussion in here about PHP DAL and ORM a few days ago |
| 22:18.40 | Bikerdan | Oh yeah? |
| 22:18.50 | Bikerdan | What was the conclusion? |
| 22:18.52 | tierra | speaking of which... do we actually have any public IRC logs somewhere... ibot? |
| 22:18.52 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 22:19.17 | fungus | ~logs |
| 22:19.17 | ibot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23uphpu/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 22:20.20 | tierra | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23uphpu/20130110.html.gz <- ORM discussion |
| 22:20.32 | Bikerdan | Awesome. Thanks tierra! |
| 22:20.59 | tierra | started about 21:59.37 |
| 22:21.26 | tierra | oh, little earlier actually, but yeah |
| 22:22.42 | tierra | don't remember RedBeanPHP even coming up |
| 22:23.02 | tierra | but yeah, Doctrine, Propel and a few others were briefly discussed |
| 22:24.44 | Bikerdan | Yeah... Doesn't appear that there was much said about those. Mostly talk about the ORMs built into some of the popular frameworks. |
| 22:25.13 | Bikerdan | Doctrine, Propel, and RedBeanPHP are all pretty much stand alone ORMs that can be implemented into other frameworks. |
| 22:25.33 | Bikerdan | Or used without a framework. |
| 22:26.44 | Bikerdan | One of the things I'm liking about Doctrine is that it's less of an Active Record model and more of a Data mapper model. |
| 22:27.08 | tierra | well, besides Doctrine and Propel really being Symfony ORMs |
| 22:27.11 | tierra | but yeah |
| 22:27.18 | Bikerdan | It keeps your actual object definition a bit more separated from the Mapping logic. |
| 22:28.14 | mahelious | used propel w/ symfony 1.x |
| 22:28.29 | tierra | if you're a fan of that, you might even be able to pull parts of the Zend Framework, haha |
| 22:28.38 | mahelious | havent looked at either in 3+ years |
| 22:28.43 | Bikerdan | :/ |
| 22:28.47 | tierra | I actually hate that separation, but that's me |
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| 22:32.40 | Bikerdan | I also really like that you can implement the mapping metadata a number of ways, XML, yaml, PHPDoc block... |
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| 23:36.24 | josephscott | supernovia: guess those years working for an ISP are going to be put to good use :-) |
| 23:37.24 | supernovia | hehe, yup :D |
| 23:37.35 | supernovia | I'm happy about the move ;) |
| 23:37.42 | mgeary | wait, what'd i miss? |
| 23:37.59 | supernovia | I just moved to a new team at Automattic :) |
| 23:38.16 | josephscott | a team that helps people leave WordPress.com :-) |
| 23:38.20 | supernovia | Guided Tranfers — helps people get settled in when they transfer frmo WordPress.com to .org :) |
| 23:38.21 | supernovia | yup |
| 23:38.33 | mgeary | aha |
| 23:38.37 | mgeary | great |
| 23:39.24 | supernovia | :D |
| 23:39.42 | tierra | yep, just send them all over here :) |
| 23:39.56 | tierra | heh |
| 23:40.11 | josephscott | tierra: that group has been talking to BH, to make the move process smoother for users who want to go to BH |
| 23:40.41 | tierra | yeah, I hear the team over here has been talking about it more frequently recently |
| 23:40.54 | josephscott | $8ball will it ever be above freezing again at my house? |
| 23:40.54 | raifbot | josephscott - It is decidedly so. |
| 23:42.25 | supernovia | josephscott: the sun'll come out… tomorrow |
| 23:42.32 | tierra | it's something I know they've wanted to make easier for a long time now |
| 23:42.58 | josephscott | supernovia: and I've got a red headed 7 year old daughter, so that fits :-) |
| 23:43.01 | supernovia | that'd be super nice tierra :) |
| 23:43.03 | supernovia | hehe josephscott |
| 23:43.35 | supernovia | I went and bought some of that window shrinkwrap stuff this morning for my superdrafty place |
| 23:43.36 | josephscott | she isn't adopted, but she is left handed |
| 23:43.49 | supernovia | and it was about 3" too short :@ |
| 23:44.33 | supernovia | josephscott: and you've got hair, which I'm sure you don't mind. |
| 23:45.33 | josephscott | my father moved pianos, so, you know |
| 23:45.43 | supernovia | Oooo |
| 23:46.08 | josephscott | hehe, name that movie |
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