| 00:00.38 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: let me find a book I came across |
| 00:01.10 | ninnypants | jsmith: yeah I have that up and a few others and there's a book on amazon called Pro HTML Accessibility |
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| 00:03.02 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: this one is on my list to read, haven't but it's fairly recent http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920024514.do |
| 00:03.53 | TuxToaster | http://books.google.com/books/about/Web_Accessibility.html?id=dlJ94KZqwqcC is a reference I used a while back, but it's not been updated since 2006 |
| 00:04.06 | TuxToaster | may be helpful though, depending on what you're after |
| 00:04.53 | TuxToaster | of course sites like A List Apart are always great resources |
| 00:05.53 | tierra | yeah, kind of sucks that in regards to web stuff, most books published more than 5 years ago is already out-of-date (typically depending on how technical it's designed to be) |
| 00:06.02 | tierra | heh |
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| 00:07.16 | tierra | that book isn't going to go anywhere near how to handle keyboard/mouse input with web 2.0 apps using backbone.js or some other JS MVC framework |
| 00:08.47 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 00:09.12 | TuxToaster | the O'RIley one came out in August, but I haven't seen it yet, so not sure how good it is on coverage |
| 00:09.17 | TuxToaster | generally their books are decent though |
| 00:09.41 | tierra | I'd be a little surprised if it covered how screen readers handle dynamic content |
| 00:09.44 | tierra | heh |
| 00:10.58 | unum | I guess there are getting to more options on that front |
| 00:11.05 | tierra | (I meant the 2006 book) |
| 00:11.19 | unum | several years ago when I hung out with a lot of blind people everyone used JAWS |
| 00:11.47 | unum | which was romney's problem when he tried to implement ODF, apparantly the JAWS people didn't want to make JAWS work with openoffice |
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| 00:22.15 | TuxToaster | yeah JAWS is a beast |
| 00:22.24 | TuxToaster | in more ways than one. |
| 00:22.25 | TuxToaster | lol |
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| 04:55.42 | carmony | aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggggggggg |
| 05:01.56 | ninnypants | carmony: sounds like fun |
| 05:05.15 | herlo | lol |
| 05:11.03 | carmony | yeah :P |
| 05:11.30 | herlo | carmony: sounds like the fun you are having is about as fun as mine.... |
| 05:11.57 | carmony | eh, maybe. Its not that bad, I just like to aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrgggggg :P |
| 05:11.59 | herlo | luckily, I just solved my 'fun', so it's time for bed... |
| 05:12.13 | herlo | carmony: lol, that's good to hear... |
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| 05:25.35 | UtahDave | carmony: Just sent you an email with the info about the presentation |
| 05:27.19 | carmony | thank you! :) |
| 05:32.31 | carmony | writing up the anoucement now |
| 05:34.33 | UtahDave | cool |
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| 16:36.44 | Monnok | $chuck-fact |
| 16:36.44 | raifbot | Chuck Norris does not get frostbite. Chuck Norris bites frost. |
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| 17:59.18 | SunSparc | ~Tuesday |
| 17:59.19 | ibot | Tuesday is Monday number Tue. |
| 18:04.52 | TuxToaster | lol |
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| 18:06.03 | herlo | lol |
| 18:06.05 | herlo | that's funny |
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| 19:13.52 | mgeary | hey fungus, you got a minute? |
| 19:14.07 | fungus | sure |
| 19:15.41 | mgeary | so, i'm dealing with CORS issues. More specifically, i have domain A.com that hosts an application, and domain C.com that hosts static assets (mostly large images and audio). If a user visits A.com and gets HTML to pull down a bunch of assets from C.com, that's fine... |
| 19:16.28 | mgeary | …however, i am doing a bunch of canvas operations that access the image data of those images. Because they are coming from a different domain, i am hitting some security issues on at least some browsers. I get errors about image data being "tainted" |
| 19:17.03 | mgeary | what solutions exist for letting heavy media come from a different/dedicated server than the application server, while keeping everything on the same FQDN? |
| 19:17.37 | fungus | have you tried a subdomain? |
| 19:17.42 | fungus | media.A.com |
| 19:17.45 | mgeary | yeah |
| 19:17.48 | mgeary | no workie |
| 19:18.09 | mgeary | supposedly you can add headers from the media server, but it appears that at least some browsers don't respect that |
| 19:18.25 | mgeary | https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/HTML/CORS_Enabled_Image |
| 19:18.26 | fungus | bummer. you then have to use a proxy or load balancer to distribute requests to different servers then. |
| 19:18.28 | beandog | I wish more places did two factor auth |
| 19:18.57 | fungus | beandog, I agree. |
| 19:19.13 | mgeary | fungus: that's what i thought |
| 19:19.14 | fungus | but two-factor auth is hard for most users |
| 19:19.33 | beandog | how is it hard? |
| 19:19.42 | fungus | Setup and training |
| 19:20.08 | fungus | I'm referring to your run of the mill, idiot user. |
| 19:20.09 | beandog | yah |
| 19:21.00 | beandog | ~run the mill |
| 19:21.00 | ibot | ACTION runs the mill in Windows and gets an illegal page fault, then runs the mill in Linux and all the problems magically disappear. |
| 19:26.05 | mindjuju | howdy josephscott, remember a while back when you were looking at a streaming solution that worked with the roku, it wasn't roksbox, it was something else, do you happen to remember what that was? |
| 19:26.30 | josephscott | there was a web based one I looked at for awhile |
| 19:26.37 | josephscott | I eventually ended up using plex |
| 19:27.00 | mindjuju | i think it required a host computer to act as the intermediary |
| 19:27.06 | mindjuju | maybe it was plex, ij'll check it out |
| 19:27.30 | josephscott | plex is pretty much the best option that I saw |
| 19:27.35 | josephscott | and it still gets regular updates |
| 19:27.53 | josephscott | you do need a windows/mac/linux box to run the plex server |
| 19:27.54 | mindjuju | i just got on redbox streaming and i'm trying to find a way to bridge to roku |
| 19:28.10 | mindjuju | it's in beta right now |
| 19:28.35 | josephscott | redbox streaming, is that the new thing with verizon? |
| 19:29.02 | josephscott | if you want to use that with roku you'll need a roku app |
| 19:29.13 | josephscott | similar to netflix and amazon prime |
| 19:29.35 | mindjuju | yup, new thing with verizon |
| 19:29.49 | mindjuju | i'm hoping plex will bridge the gap |
| 19:30.15 | mindjuju | i remember seeing one option that bridged any internet streaming to the roku, don't recall if it was plex or no |
| 19:31.15 | josephscott | mindjuju: nowheretv |
| 19:31.24 | josephscott | it is a private roku app |
| 19:31.54 | josephscott | but really I strongly suspect the only way you are going to get a good experience with redbox streaming is if they do a roku app |
| 19:32.07 | josephscott | oh, you meant stream video playing on your pc to the roku |
| 19:32.17 | josephscott | that is a different beast, haven't tried that |
| 19:33.38 | mindjuju | yup, exactly so, stream to comp then stream to roku |
| 19:33.48 | mindjuju | not sure how that'll work |
| 19:35.21 | josephscott | keep in mind many video players on computers try to prevent that as well |
| 19:37.44 | mindjuju | hmm |
| 19:38.19 | mindjuju | it wouldn't be such a big deal if netflix offered current movies instead of b films from the 70s |
| 19:38.37 | mindjuju | about the only thing i watch on there is MST 3k |
| 19:38.50 | mindjuju | err, actually they took them off, i watch that now on amazon prime |
| 19:39.28 | josephscott | mindjuju: from what I'm reading the redbox instant selection is even smaller than amazon prime and netflix |
| 19:39.42 | josephscott | so not sure what to expect on there yet |
| 19:39.45 | mindjuju | really? |
| 19:39.55 | mindjuju | for some reason i thought'd be current movies |
| 19:40.06 | mindjuju | just thinking about what i see when i occassionally walk by a redbox |
| 19:40.12 | mindjuju | i've actually never redboxed before |
| 19:40.28 | josephscott | the streaming selection is going to be different than their rental selection |
| 19:40.33 | josephscott | just like netflix |
| 19:41.06 | mindjuju | maybe a non-issue then |
| 19:41.43 | mindjuju | thx a heap for raining on my parade josephscott!! |
| 19:41.48 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 19:41.48 | josephscott | sorry |
| 19:42.02 | josephscott | but they offer a free month, so you could give it a try |
| 19:42.06 | mindjuju | well... a dose of reality never really hurt anybody |
| 19:42.33 | mindjuju | but it's better to be realistic than idealisic when it comes to allocating time to a project that may not pan out well |
| 19:42.39 | josephscott | I might signup just to see what they offer |
| 19:44.02 | mindjuju | i wonder if they have transmorphers |
| 19:44.06 | mindjuju | always wanted to see that |
| 19:45.44 | fungus | mindjuju, i've been playing w/ XBMC on my rpi. It's pretty slow and the UI for accessing the addons is a bit torturous. |
| 19:46.09 | fungus | But the current version does Airplay from my iPhone/iPad just great. |
| 19:46.28 | josephscott | fungus: what is rpi? |
| 19:46.35 | fungus | raspberry pi |
| 19:46.39 | josephscott | ah |
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| 19:56.51 | mindjuju | airplay? |
| 19:57.07 | mindjuju | oh |
| 19:57.09 | mindjuju | apple only |
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| 20:31.47 | beandog | ~apple mindjuju |
| 20:31.56 | beandog | ~rdf mindjuju |
| 20:32.00 | beandog | meh |
| 20:33.08 | fungus | mindjuju, there are third party tools that do airplay services for other devices. |
| 20:33.18 | fungus | including windows |
| 20:33.20 | fungus | and linux |
| 20:34.07 | fungus | but yeah, it's mostly an apple thing. But my home is 90% apple. |
| 20:34.19 | TuxToaster | supernovia: http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/efa1/ |
| 20:35.00 | beandog | creepy Doctor guy is creepy |
| 20:37.05 | mindjuju | ~give beandog a cookie |
| 20:37.05 | ibot | ACTION gives beandog a home-baked fortune cookie to cheer him up. |
| 20:37.22 | mindjuju | ~give beandog a pecan sandie |
| 20:37.22 | ibot | ACTION gives a pecan sandie to beandog |
| 20:37.35 | beandog | nasty |
| 20:37.38 | beandog | pecans = bleh |
| 20:37.50 | mindjuju | that's the good stuff, only thing better would be Mother's animal crackers with the white frosting and the little bead candies |
| 20:38.40 | TuxToaster | mmm |
| 20:45.13 | supernovia | and then eats it herself cause he doesn't like it ;-D |
| 20:45.41 | supernovia | mindjuju: I wanna figure out how to make those homemade |
| 20:49.44 | mahelious | or grandmas sugar cookies with the massive amount of pink frosting and rainbow sprinkles |
| 20:51.44 | mahelious | s/grandmas/granny b's |
| 20:55.36 | mindjuju | supernovia, the pecan sandies or the mother's animal crackers best cookie ever made? these guys - http://l.yimg.com/ck/image/A9389/93890/300_93890.gif |
| 20:55.47 | supernovia | Oooh I know mahelious |
| 20:55.52 | mindjuju | so good that the Choirs Angelic harmonize every bite |
| 20:55.57 | supernovia | lemme see |
| 20:56.21 | supernovia | I like those, but .... |
| 20:56.43 | supernovia | they aren't my fave. they were my ex's fave so we ate a lot of them. |
| 20:56.51 | mindjuju | which are your fav? |
| 20:56.57 | mindjuju | sandies? |
| 20:57.09 | mindjuju | nutter butter? chip ahoy? duplex? |
| 20:57.18 | mahelious | circus animal cookies are good, but they always leave a grease smear on the top of my mouth |
| 20:57.21 | mahelious | like a slim jim |
| 20:57.36 | mindjuju | i haven't had a slm jim in a while |
| 20:57.39 | mindjuju | high school maybe |
| 20:57.53 | mindjuju | though i do like the occassional beef jerky |
| 20:58.36 | supernovia | oh my gosh I had something like that the other day. So grossawesome |
| 20:58.43 | mahelious | nutter butters are requisite road trip fare. also a big fan of EL Fudge |
| 20:59.12 | mindjuju | sadly, its been so long since i've tasted EL fudge, i don't have a recollection of taste |
| 20:59.23 | mindjuju | hard cookie with fudge on top though, right? |
| 20:59.25 | supernovia | we need to have a cookie party. |
| 20:59.54 | mahelious | sandwich style. like the vanilla oreos, but the cookies look like elves |
| 21:00.00 | supernovia | or a Utah Cookie Users' Group |
| 21:00.37 | mahelious | yes, but it must be able to coordinate with the Utah Milk User's Group |
| 21:00.40 | supernovia | and people would think we're talking about you know, the computer cookies. like a decoy |
| 21:01.10 | mindjuju | supernovia, that reminds me of this preso for uphpu - http://uphpu.org/2009/10/15/high-availability-figlet-applications-using-goto/ |
| 21:01.20 | supernovia | lols |
| 21:01.39 | supernovia | one of my favorite meetings |
| 21:01.40 | mindjuju | AKA just an excuse for us to go directly to applebees after hours party |
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| 21:28.01 | mgeary | do people still use RSS readers? has anything useful emerged to replace it? Basically, to meet the need that someone automatically gets recent updates from a given website/data source. Scenarios where email notifications are overkill... |
| 21:28.44 | SunSparc | I do not use RSS readers anymore. If something is important/popular, it will show up in my Twitter/Facebook feeds. |
| 21:28.50 | beandog | mgeary: twitter |
| 21:28.53 | beandog | so much simpler |
| 21:29.07 | mgeary | yeah, i've thought about that |
| 21:29.15 | beandog | I use RSS for system security notices, but that's it |
| 21:29.55 | josephscott | I still use google reader every day |
| 21:30.41 | tierra | I use RSS like crazy... every day... like josephscott, it's mostly Google Reader, but also my podcasts (using DoggCatcher) |
| 21:31.53 | tierra | and for exactly the same reason mgeary mentioned: get updates from sites/sources without visiting each one individually, or signing up for email subscriptions/notifications, mostly all optional stuff like I read if I have time, but otherwise not important |
| 21:32.28 | tierra | *I like to read |
| 21:32.33 | tierra | *I like to read if I have time |
| 21:33.10 | josephscott | is also a great way to skim info |
| 21:33.29 | josephscott | I like to stay subscribed to many things, but I only read in depth a portion |
| 21:33.39 | tierra | probably more than 30-40 rss feeds I have "subscribed", organized into folders based on categories, etc... |
| 21:35.59 | mgeary | can anyone see a downside to using both RSS and twitter? That may be the way to go, since sending out a tweet when something is updated wouldn't be a big deal |
| 21:36.57 | tierra | like a company providing both methods for customers to get updates from? no |
| 21:37.16 | tierra | the more, the merrier |
| 21:37.32 | tierra | as long as it's all consistent anyway |
| 21:38.28 | josephscott | for reading I generally don't rely on twitter much because I skip lots of things, twitter isn't good at showing me what I haven't read |
| 21:39.28 | tierra | of course, that's just how josephscott uses twitter, but that's not going to be everyone |
| 21:39.57 | josephscott | true, and sending updates out via twitter is an easy thing to add, so not suggesting not to do it |
| 21:40.01 | tierra | hence why having both options available isn't a bad thing |
| 21:40.31 | tierra | I just don't use twitter, heh |
| 21:40.36 | josephscott | may as well add FB too |
| 21:40.38 | tierra | so I definitely would like RSS |
| 21:41.27 | tierra | aggravated me the other day when SourceForge.net advertised a vote for project of the month, but it required a twitter account to vote |
| 21:42.29 | josephscott | feeds are awesome |
| 21:46.24 | TuxToaster | ~feed josephscott |
| 21:46.24 | ibot | ACTION offers josephscott some herring |
| 21:49.03 | mahelious | s/herring/surströmming |
| 21:50.00 | josephscott | $8ball will I make it to UPHPU this week? |
| 21:50.01 | raifbot | josephscott - My reply is no. |
| 21:50.10 | josephscott | $8ball are you telling the truth? |
| 21:50.11 | raifbot | josephscott - It is certain. |
| 21:50.22 | josephscott | $8ball can I change your mind? |
| 21:50.22 | raifbot | josephscott - My reply is no. |
| 21:50.26 | josephscott | dang bot |
| 21:50.52 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:50.56 | TuxToaster | you wrote him |
| 21:51.20 | josephscott | yeah, but I don't supply the source of randomness |
| 21:51.37 | TuxToaster | $8ball does josephscott supply your randomness? |
| 21:51.37 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Most likely. |
| 21:51.40 | TuxToaster | :P |
| 21:51.52 | josephscott | haha |
| 21:52.45 | TuxToaster | at least it's entertaining |
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| 22:04.36 | TuxToaster | wow... was reading a page on doing partitioned rankings in SQL Server and someone asks "Any ideas on using this in MS Access?" |
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| 22:06.16 | mahelious | certain civilized societies knew the value of occasionally thinning the herd. for the greater good. |
| 22:14.18 | mindjuju | anybody up for a good investigation? |
| 22:14.39 | carmony | sure, whats up? |
| 22:14.43 | mindjuju | google maps crime scene - http://t.co/H3fl2jTx |
| 22:14.58 | mindjuju | but if you go back down that road and picture the camera to the left, the donkey is standing AND alive |
| 22:15.17 | mindjuju | as opposed to propped up against a fence post or something |
| 22:15.22 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 22:16.25 | carmony | I still havent |
| 22:16.31 | carmony | found the alive donkey |
| 22:17.04 | mindjuju | k, when you first go onto that page and you see the donkey in front of you, press the arrow point up so that you go backwards |
| 22:17.40 | mahelious | theres at least one shot where you can see the donkey lying on the ground AND standing off to the side of the road at the same time. |
| 22:17.50 | mindjuju | yup, i saw that too |
| 22:17.55 | mindjuju | can't make heads or tails of that one |
| 22:18.02 | carmony | crazy |
| 22:18.08 | mindjuju | i wonder what side of the road they drive on there |
| 22:18.38 | TuxToaster | omg |
| 22:20.28 | TuxToaster | CSI: Botswana |
| 22:20.45 | mindjuju | k, i think i see what happened, if you move forward (down arrow), you'll see that he passes a car headed in the same direction, i think THAT car is the donkey killer! |
| 22:21.17 | josephscott | mindjuju: second car theory - http://maps.gstatic.com/m/streetview/?hl=en&ll=-23.527824,24.72265&spn=8.405416,14.27124&t=m&layer=c&cbll=-23.527824,24.72265&panoid=3L-F887yPcBnejtJvT6DoA&cbp=12,335.71,,0,19.65&z=7 |
| 22:21.24 | TuxToaster | the weird thing is that if you go right passed the donkey just one frame and turn it around it's already dead |
| 22:21.34 | TuxToaster | you have to go a ways down the road before the second car shows up |
| 22:21.36 | mindjuju | yeah, i'm not sure about that |
| 22:21.53 | mindjuju | maybe the google guy had to stop to let the other guy through? |
| 22:21.53 | mahelious | i dont think the donkeys dead. |
| 22:22.07 | TuxToaster | maybe it's like those goats that faint |
| 22:22.09 | TuxToaster | ... |
| 22:22.12 | mahelious | looks to me like the donkey was taking a nap in the road, and the google car woke it up |
| 22:22.24 | TuxToaster | LOL |
| 22:22.46 | mindjuju | maybe it was the chupacabra? |
| 22:24.49 | HumanCell | Donkey rolling in the stirred up dust? |
| 22:25.00 | HumanCell | Something to cool off? |
| 22:25.14 | mindjuju | can one get cooled off in the dust? |
| 22:25.30 | mahelious | pigs do that |
| 22:25.32 | HumanCell | Many animals throw dust on themselves ... and it appears to be rolling around |
| 22:27.00 | HumanCell | OR ... we are all looking at this in reverse ... the donkey was rolling in the dirt, saw teh Google car coming, and got up and moved out of the way! |
| 22:27.21 | mahelious | if you go back far enough, |
| 22:27.27 | HumanCell | Based on the dust in the air on the images, I believe that is the case. |
| 22:27.39 | mahelious | you can see the other car driving from behind the donkey, pass it |
| 22:27.41 | HumanCell | The Google car was driving AT the donkey ... not away from it. |
| 22:28.00 | mahelious | and it looks like the donkey laid down in the dust cloud and rolled around in the dirt |
| 22:28.13 | mahelious | then popped up out of the road when the google car approached |
| 22:28.21 | mahelious | donkeys alive! :) |
| 22:30.02 | josephscott | $8ball is the donkey alive? |
| 22:30.02 | raifbot | josephscott - Yes. |
| 22:33.43 | TuxToaster | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57564130-71/google-drives-into-dead-donkey-street-view-controversy/ |
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| 22:41.42 | mahelious | the evidence that they ran down a deer in new york, otoh, looks pretty solid |
| 22:47.19 | mindjuju | yup |
| 22:47.31 | mindjuju | the evidence is piling up against google |
| 22:49.17 | josephscott | $8ball is google car taking out animals? |
| 22:49.18 | raifbot | josephscott - Most likely. |
| 22:49.54 | TuxToaster | so I don't think it killed it, if you look closely you can see the legs kick a couple of times as you back away from it |
| 22:50.03 | TuxToaster | and down the road a bit it looks like it's standing up in the dust cloud |
| 22:50.04 | TuxToaster | http://maps.gstatic.com/m/streetview/?hl=en&ll=-23.527824,24.72265&spn=8.405416,14.27124&t=m&layer=c&cbll=-23.527824,24.72265&panoid=3L-F887yPcBnejtJvT6DoA&cbp=12,335.71,,0,19.65&z=7 |
| 22:50.16 | TuxToaster | but good chance that they went donkey tipping |
| 22:51.18 | mahelious | ah, incontrovertible proof! |
| 22:51.34 | mahelious | in botswana, everyone drives on the left-hand side of the road. |
| 22:52.18 | TuxToaster | lol |
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| 23:38.18 | mgeary | hey fungus |
| 23:38.59 | mgeary | nm. yet |
| 23:41.11 | fridgesm | I had a recruiter call and ask if they could sponsor PLUG. What should I tell him? |
| 23:47.55 | ninnypants | did he ask for anything for his sponsor ship? |
| 23:50.32 | ninnypants | I remember a guy at utosc last year tried to get the entire atendee list |
| 23:55.06 | mindjuju | usually recruiters just want 10 ~ 15 minutes of speak time in front of group |
| 23:55.21 | mindjuju | to introduce themselves and offer employment reviews, etc |
| 23:55.35 | mindjuju | we did it a few times for uphpu, but nothing permenant |
