| 00:25.35 | ninnypants | anyone here use think up app? http://thinkupapp.com/ |
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| 04:43.08 | mgeary | hey |
| 04:43.15 | mgeary | anyone here have/use an Android tablet? |
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| 15:58.44 | mindjuju_ | mgeary, i do, i'll see if i have it with me |
| 15:59.52 | mindjuju_ | mgeary, i do --what up? |
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| 16:37.18 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
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| 17:27.54 | josephscott | $8ball is it really Friday? |
| 17:27.55 | raifbot | josephscott - Signs point to yes. |
| 17:27.58 | josephscott | woot! |
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| 17:47.21 | mindjuju_ | peno, you around? |
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| 17:48.18 | peno | somewhat |
| 17:51.14 | mindjuju | k, so on that question yesterday about SATA v SAS drives, i've done some more research on this, and SAS offers higher speed and reliability (3gbps) where SATA II drives offer (3 gbps), i guess my question is what should i be looking at besides speed? |
| 17:51.50 | mindjuju | what i'm looking for is larger hdd size without the budget for SAS drives |
| 17:52.03 | peno | then sata is your option |
| 17:52.48 | mindjuju | k |
| 17:52.51 | mindjuju | ~peno++ |
| 17:52.54 | peno | depending on the sata drive you go with, you're typically around 7200rpm |
| 17:53.03 | peno | sas is typically 10-15k |
| 17:53.15 | peno | s/k/K |
| 17:53.20 | mindjuju | yup, these are 7200rpm, and the oens i'm changing them for are 15k |
| 17:53.26 | mindjuju | so i'm loosing some speed there |
| 17:53.33 | peno | yeah |
| 17:53.45 | peno | which if you're virtualizing, speed is key. |
| 17:53.52 | peno | buy a SAN. :) |
| 17:53.56 | peno | store the vm's there |
| 17:53.59 | TuxToaster | ~friday |
| 17:54.08 | mindjuju | peno, these are VMs |
| 17:56.11 | peno | best practice is to stick VMs on a SAN. |
| 17:56.37 | mindjuju | so i jumps between VM hosts? |
| 17:56.43 | peno | naw |
| 17:57.02 | peno | the hypervisor still remains on the host you install |
| 17:57.09 | peno | just where the vm's are stored is what changes. |
| 17:57.13 | josephscott | peno: have you seen any SANs that are as fast as direct attached storage? |
| 17:57.41 | mindjuju | srry, i meant hypervisor stays on server, but with the VM s on SAN, then it can jump from hypervisor to hypervisor as i need? |
| 17:57.53 | peno | josephscott: you mean like my NetApp 3270 with a shelf of SSD? |
| 17:58.12 | peno | mindjuju: that's the theory. :) |
| 17:58.36 | josephscott | any, my limited experience with VMs on a SAN haven't always had the best of trade offs over time |
| 17:59.04 | mindjuju | i was just wondering that josephscott, what would the speed difference be between SAN and direct? |
| 17:59.14 | josephscott | and everything has trade offs |
| 17:59.17 | peno | I think it mostly boils down to how the underlying infrstructure is laid out. |
| 18:00.18 | josephscott | to be clear, not saying it should never be done, just be clear about the trade offs |
| 18:00.24 | peno | that's no bueno |
| 18:00.33 | josephscott | and decide if that set of trade offs is acceptable |
| 18:02.04 | josephscott | ~rub beard |
| 18:02.04 | ibot | ACTION rubs beard raw. Ooh... That smarts! |
| 18:02.16 | peno | mindjuju: just set the expectation that if you're using local disk, there's gonna be performance hits. if you have mode spindles, t hat'll help. |
| 18:02.33 | peno | but a lot of it's gonna be how well the raid card performs. :) |
| 18:02.55 | mindjuju | so this is a PE 1950(g3), it only has 2 hdd spots, so i'm putting it in RAID 1 |
| 18:02.57 | mindjuju | :( |
| 18:03.02 | peno | i'm sorry. |
| 18:03.29 | peno | performance won't be that awesome. |
| 18:03.46 | mindjuju | out of curiosity, what brand do you work with? |
| 18:03.56 | mindjuju | i've only worked on dell servers |
| 18:04.02 | peno | hp |
| 18:05.53 | peno | we used to have a ton of supermicro. as they failed, they were replaced with hp. |
| 18:11.23 | tierra | you know, the only reason I ever even used TortoiseSVN on Windows was because of lack of a proper shell (sure, I could have also used cygwin with putty - it's a hacky solution, but I have done it before with good results) |
| 18:11.35 | tierra | otherwise, I always stuck with command line |
| 18:11.51 | tierra | and SVN has had tons of really well polished GUIs for a long time now |
| 18:13.06 | fungus | josephscott, you are right, that there is a penalty for moving to a SAN, however if you have a decent SAN the gains via more spindles, and dedicated SAN hardware usually offset that penalty and a whole lot more. Not to mention the ability to share the storage and many other features. |
| 18:13.49 | josephscott | fungus: yep, just keep in mind the other side of the trade offs |
| 18:13.52 | tierra | I imagine the SAN route leads to easier and more reliable backup solutions as well |
| 18:14.06 | josephscott | if the SAN goes down, so do all of your VMs, as opposed to just the VMs on one server |
| 18:14.31 | fungus | right, but if it's really sensitive you have a clustered SAN |
| 18:14.52 | tierra | redundancy++ |
| 18:15.08 | fungus | But your points are still important to think about. |
| 18:15.14 | josephscott | which increases cost, which is fine if that is a trade off you want, all about trade offs |
| 18:15.21 | fungus | exactly |
| 18:15.22 | josephscott | and management |
| 18:16.31 | josephscott | so the best thing we could probably do for mindjuju is to help list pros and cons, then he can figure out the right balance for their situation |
| 18:17.35 | tierra | some cost could potentially be cut as well too though... i.e. you're likely using RAID1 on local, but I'm sure RAID6 becomes a viable option on SAN |
| 18:18.18 | fungus | mindjuju, moving to 7200 SATA disks will impact your performance when running multiple VMs from it. But if they don't get much use, it could work ok for you. |
| 18:18.38 | josephscott | lots of talk about performance, did I miss what he is using currently? |
| 18:19.11 | tierra | 15k RPM SAS |
| 18:19.13 | fungus | he's using |
| 18:19.19 | josephscott | how much disk I/O are the VMs doing? if these are mostly for devs are they using local DBs on the VM or dedicated DB servers? |
| 18:19.22 | fungus | 15k SAS drives. |
| 18:19.25 | josephscott | ah |
| 18:19.34 | fungus | Swapping out for 7k SATA drives for more space |
| 18:19.53 | fungus | brb |
| 18:19.58 | josephscott | yeah, definitely a backwards step in the performance for disk I/O, but if that isn't a limiting factor then may not be a big deal |
| 18:21.18 | ninnypants | tierra: yeah I still use a gui on windows but the github app on mac doesn't have support for submodules so I've been using the command line on mac and it has been nice |
| 18:21.33 | ninnypants | has taken a decent amount of googling to make suer the commands are correct though |
| 18:22.44 | josephscott | submodules in git still feel a bit strange to me, too many years with svn externals I guess |
| 18:23.19 | tierra | heh, yeah, I've been bit by that (submodules with GitHub app) - though the GitHub app doesn't advertise itself as a CLI replacement, specifically considering it has shortcuts in the GUI for opening up a shell in various locations depending on context |
| 18:23.48 | tierra | just easier management of pushing updates to your GitHub repos |
| 18:23.51 | tierra | heh |
| 18:24.09 | josephscott | I miss not being able to pin to a specific rev |
| 18:27.01 | ninnypants | tierra: I haven't seen that shortcut |
| 18:27.23 | ninnypants | but I thought they were going for cli replacement since they added the github command line |
| 18:34.17 | tierra | on install it asks which shell you would like to use... i don't recall what the default option is |
| 18:35.04 | tierra | josephscott: pin rev? that's pretty much the default with submodules - I'm not sure it's even possible to *not* pin a revision/commit with git submodules |
| 18:35.39 | tierra | (without setting up something like a bot to auto-commit submodule updates anyway) |
| 18:35.46 | josephscott | last time I used on, if you update the submodule it updates to the last rev of that module |
| 18:35.57 | josephscott | s/I used on/I used it/ |
| 18:36.47 | tierra | na, even when you add a submodule while specifying a branch name, it'll grab the sha1 tip of that branch, and use that instead of the branch name - so it never updates unless you specifically tell it to |
| 18:38.44 | tierra | this is all why I think devs coming from SVN externals have so many problems with submodules |
| 18:39.36 | tierra | they all mostly want their submodules to automatically checkout and update to the latest commit just like how most SVN externals are setup |
| 18:40.06 | tierra | I don't often see SVN externals setup pointing to a specific SVN tag, usually they're pointing to trunk or a branch |
| 18:40.25 | josephscott | I've abused the flexibility to do it both ways |
| 18:40.30 | tierra | I know many of the WordPress externals point to tags though |
| 18:41.11 | mindjuju | so from 15k drives to 7200, how far of a step back are we talking? |
| 18:41.16 | josephscott | when I pin to a rev or tag it is usually because an update could cause breakage, so anyone updating needs to do it specifically (with the prop edit) |
| 18:42.00 | tierra | mindjuju: I'd run some performance tests (try out hdparm).. could depend heavily on your controller too |
| 18:42.36 | josephscott | what tierra said, if you aren't disk I/O bound right now, then you'd need to run a few measurements to see how hard you pushing things currently |
| 18:43.17 | mindjuju | k |
| 18:44.04 | tierra | josephscott: yeah, that's why I like submodules in git... encourages pinning a very specific tree that the repo has supposedly been well tested with |
| 18:45.40 | fungus | mindjuju, the speed of the spin is a very big deal with random reads/writes. |
| 18:46.44 | fungus | sequential throughput between the two might be similar, but your random accesses will be drastically different. |
| 18:47.16 | mindjuju | k, that gives me some keywords to google and readup on |
| 18:47.36 | fungus | But, for just a few dev VMs that don't get a lot of use, it could be acceptable. |
| 18:47.49 | josephscott | perhaps, git submodules still feel strange, at least if the few cases I've used them |
| 18:52.03 | tierra | explicitly cloning and updating is certainly a big factor there... with SVN externals, it just happens on checkout and update, but always needing to remember to run --recursive clone and submodule updates aside from branch checkouts/merge/etc can be frustrating |
| 18:52.39 | josephscott | s/if the/in the/ |
| 18:55.15 | tierra | I remember talking to one of the git devs at one of the Google Summer of Code mentor summits a couple years ago, and he mentioned that a few of them were specifically working on trying to streamline submodules... not sure whatever (if anything) happened with that |
| 18:55.40 | tierra | I think they know submodules could still use a lot of work |
| 19:28.33 | TuxToaster | $chuck-fact |
| 19:28.34 | raifbot | Noah needed two of ALMOST everything on the Arc; he only needed one Chuck Norris. |
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| 19:45.30 | SunSparc | ~seen mgeary |
| 19:45.36 | ibot | mgeary <~mgeary@69.169.142.45.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 15h 2m 21s ago, saying: 'anyone here have/use an Android tablet?'. |
| 19:47.56 | SunSparc | ~seen ibot |
| 19:47.57 | ibot | ibot is currently on #gsoc (3d 1h 3m 49s) #bzflag (3d 1h 3m 49s) #gooseproject (3d 1h 3m 49s) ##bspress (3d 1h 3m 49s) #brlcad (3d 1h 3m 49s) #cubieboard (3d 1h 3m 49s) #handhelds (3d 1h 3m 49s) #utah (3d 1h 3m 49s) #oe (3d 1h 3m 49s) #zaurus (3d 1h 3m 49s) #gllug (3d 1h 3m 49s) #pillbox (3d 1h 3m 49s) #arm-netbook (3d 1h 3m 49s) #handhelds-gpe (3d ... |
| 19:49.32 | TuxToaster | ~seen myself |
| 19:49.33 | ibot | myself is currently on #openmoko. Has said a total of 10 messages. Is idling for 1d 12h 40m 14s, last said: '(yeah, I'm ordering twenty more. I've lost two, and not a week goes by when I couldn't sell one to a coworker for $5-10 after saving their butt with it)'. |
| 19:49.44 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:49.45 | TuxToaster | heh. |
| 19:50.06 | TuxToaster | ~seen somerandomnickthatshouldn'texist |
| 19:50.06 | ibot | i haven't seen 'somerandomnickthatshouldn'texist', TuxToaster |
| 19:50.36 | TuxToaster | heh, at least it would have worked if someone wasn't using 'myself' then |
| 19:52.05 | TuxToaster | $lart SunSparc |
| 19:52.06 | raifbot | cats /dev/urandom into SunSparc's ear. |
| 19:54.15 | TuxToaster | ~shower TuxToaster |
| 19:54.15 | ibot | *sniff* *sniff* hmmm, TuxToaster, you smell awful... you need a shower ASAP! |
| 19:54.23 | TuxToaster | ibot: that doesn't help |
| 19:54.30 | TuxToaster | ~skinner TuxToaster |
| 19:54.30 | ibot | ACTION buries TuxToaster in a giant waterfall... WHOOOOSH! |
| 19:54.34 | TuxToaster | that'll work |
| 19:55.54 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 19:57.17 | TuxToaster | $lart josephscott |
| 19:57.18 | raifbot | takes out a cattle prod and gives josephscott a good jolt. |
| 19:57.27 | josephscott | ~defend me |
| 19:57.27 | ibot | ACTION jumps in front of josephscott, taking all insults, violence and anything else negative thrown toward josephscott so that josephscott may live on in peace and quiet |
| 19:58.00 | SunSparc | ~lolstats josephscott |
| 19:58.08 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:58.17 | SunSparc | ibot: Do you hate me? |
| 19:58.17 | ibot | yes, I hate me. |
| 19:58.20 | josephscott | haha |
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| 20:05.52 | SunSparc | ibot: Do you feel better now? |
| 20:05.52 | ibot | yes, I feel better now. |
| 20:06.00 | SunSparc | Good. |
| 20:10.21 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 20:10.47 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: your ~lolstats must be broken |
| 20:10.51 | TuxToaster | ~lolstats josephscott |
| 20:10.51 | ibot | josephscott has said lol 12 times (0.2 %), ranked 22/124 (percentile: 17.7 %) |
| 20:10.58 | SunSparc | Must be. |
| 20:11.24 | josephscott | $8ball is 12 the magic number? |
| 20:11.25 | raifbot | josephscott - Yes - definitely. |
| 20:15.25 | SunSparc | ~hex josephscott |
| 20:15.25 | ibot | josephscott is 6A 6F 73 65 70 68 73 63 6F 74 74 20 |
| 20:17.48 | TuxToaster | haha |
| 20:17.52 | TuxToaster | ~mine josephscott |
| 20:17.52 | ibot | ACTION breaks out an 8-bit pickaxe and starts chasing josephscott around the world |
| 20:18.08 | josephscott | ~block TuxToaster |
| 20:18.08 | ibot | jumps in front of TuxToaster and prevents any more damage from being done to all the victims in the channel |
| 20:18.39 | TuxToaster | ~brick ibot |
| 20:18.40 | ibot | ACTION installs a bad bootloader on ibot and turns ibot into a brick |
| 20:24.09 | SunSparc | ~cat josephscott |
| 20:24.09 | ibot | ACTION shoves a feral cat down josephscott's pants |
| 20:24.16 | SunSparc | lol |
| 20:24.27 | josephscott | ~dog SunSparc |
| 20:24.27 | ibot | ACTION stares at SunSparc until SunSparc whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 20:24.46 | SunSparc | ~meow josephscott |
| 20:25.24 | TuxToaster | ~cow josephscott |
| 20:25.25 | ibot | ACTION moos at josephscott |
| 20:25.35 | SunSparc | ~woof josephscott |
| 20:25.43 | SunSparc | ~woof |
| 20:25.43 | ibot | [woof] the sound a dog makes. |
| 20:25.47 | TuxToaster | ... |
| 20:25.51 | SunSparc | ~meow |
| 20:25.52 | ibot | jbot: woem |
| 20:25.57 | TuxToaster | very good, ibot! here, get the snack! |
| 20:26.15 | SunSparc | ~fetch ibot |
| 20:26.19 | TuxToaster | ~jbot |
| 20:26.19 | ibot | somebody said jbot was a hack!, or known to have only said one useful thing. a tool, or dating the fembots, or [TK]D-Fender's b*tch, or suck, or a pain in the ass, or ibot's stupid cousin |
| 20:31.35 | SunSparc | ~seen jbot |
| 20:31.40 | ibot | i haven't seen 'jbot', SunSparc |
| 20:32.58 | TuxToaster | $8ball can you make any object evil by adding -inator to the end of it's name? |
| 20:32.58 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Don't count on it. |
| 20:33.24 | TuxToaster | apparently raifbot doesn't watch Phinneas & Ferb |
| 20:33.39 | SunSparc | TuxToastinator |
| 20:33.57 | SunSparc | SunSparcinator |
| 20:33.58 | TuxToaster | Sparcinator sounds cool. |
| 20:34.14 | SunSparc | ~nickometer Sparcinator |
| 20:34.19 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 20:34.23 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:34.34 | TuxToaster | ~nickometer SunSparc |
| 20:35.02 | Sparcinator | $8ball am I evil now? |
| 20:35.02 | raifbot | Sparcinator - As I see it, yes. |
| 20:35.06 | TuxToaster | ibot, why do you reply with nicks in lowercase? |
| 20:35.07 | ibot | why not? |
| 20:35.20 | Sparcinator | ibot: stop that. |
| 20:35.21 | ibot | ACTION leaps to his feet and stops that. |
| 20:35.34 | TuxToaster | $8ball was SunSparc evil before? |
| 20:35.35 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Outlook not so good. |
| 20:35.37 | Sparcinator | wise bot. |
| 20:35.49 | TuxToaster | I think ibot has gender identity issues. |
| 20:37.05 | Sparcinator | ibot: Do you have gender identity issues? |
| 20:37.06 | ibot | yes, I have gender identity issues. |
| 20:38.21 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 20:38.39 | TuxToaster | ibot, are you stupid? |
| 20:38.39 | ibot | yeah |
| 20:40.32 | Sparcinator | Wow |
| 20:40.59 | Sparcinator | Low self esteem or high self assurance. |
| 20:41.56 | TuxToaster | or both |
| 20:42.01 | Sparcinator | :) |
| 20:43.15 | josephscott | ~compliment ibot |
| 20:43.15 | ibot | ACTION plops himself at ibots feet with an adoring gaze and murmurs, "ooh ibot, that was truly wonderful" |
| 20:43.26 | josephscott | ibot feel better now? |
| 20:43.26 | ibot | o/~ I FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL better now |
| 20:43.27 | TuxToaster | wow. |
| 20:43.53 | TuxToaster | ibot, go jump off a cliff. |
| 20:44.00 | TuxToaster | bleh. |
| 20:44.32 | josephscott | ~cliff ibot |
| 20:45.41 | Sparcinator | ~fiscalcliff ibot |
| 20:45.51 | Sparcinator | ~fiscalcliff |
| 20:49.45 | TuxToaster | Sparcinator: did you see what raifbot told mindjuju yesterday about going over the cliff? |
| 21:13.47 | ninnypants | Hatch voted yes on keeping FISA around http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/s236 |
| 21:53.27 | jsmith | ninnypants: You sound surprised... |
| 21:53.48 | josephscott | ~surprise ninnypants |
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| 22:59.11 | mgeary | hey folks |
| 22:59.18 | mgeary | anyone here have/use an Android tablet? |
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| 23:12.22 | HumanCell | mgeary: I've got a few that I work with ... |
| 23:12.27 | HumanCell | What are you looking for? |
| 23:13.01 | mgeary | i'm trying to figure out how important it is to support the "Android" (built-in) browser |
| 23:13.27 | HumanCell | Well ... hmmm. Who is your target user? |
| 23:13.39 | mgeary | a client wants it, but i can't even find a (new) device that ships with it |
| 23:13.54 | mgeary | and it appears to have significantly lower HTML5 support than other tablet browsers |
| 23:14.17 | mgeary | target user is college student, i believe |
| 23:14.41 | HumanCell | You could have the client supply the tablet, and then explain the cost difference to them. |
| 23:24.03 | tierra | mgeary: http://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2&qpcustomd=1 |
| 23:24.31 | tierra | ^ specifically mobile/tablet browser versions |
| 23:24.48 | mgeary | hmm |
| 23:24.55 | mgeary | that's a huge chunk |
| 23:25.20 | mgeary | so how do i get a device with Android Browser 4.0? |
| 23:25.59 | mgeary | i would have thought Chrome would represent a much larger chunk. Isn't it the default browser on all new Android tablets? |
| 23:27.35 | tierra | yeah... not sure if it's even hit it's peak yet either since it might still be some time before newer android tablets/phones hit the market using Android 4.1+ |
| 23:27.55 | tierra | it is the default now, but devices are still coming out on older versions of android |
| 23:28.48 | mgeary | like what? i'm specifically trying to gauge how awful Android Browser 2.3 is |
| 23:28.59 | mgeary | but i can't figure out what i could/should acquire to test that |
| 23:29.59 | tierra | uh, any device releasing on android < 4.1... I dunno, lots of them |
| 23:30.09 | tierra | heh |
| 23:30.58 | tierra | http://9to5google.com/2012/08/01/android-version-market-share-numbers-come-out-over-60-still-on-gingerbread-4-x-hits-16/ |
| 23:31.09 | josephscott | I'd dare say most |
| 23:32.04 | DexterTheDragon | my motorola xoom is running android 4.1.2 and won't be upgraded |
| 23:32.05 | tierra | pretty much all non-Nexus-4/7/10 devices |
| 23:32.48 | tierra | (and Galaxy Nexus) |
| 23:34.53 | tierra | it's funny since really HTML5/CSS support in the Android browser 4.0 is still leaps and bounds better than IE... I don't even know what kind of support is really necessary beyond what you're already doing besides just making sure touch navigation is working correctly maybe |
| 23:35.17 | mgeary | well, it's weird, from the reports |
| 23:35.44 | mgeary | click areas/hot spots are many pixels "off". image operations sporadically fail in bizarre ways |
| 23:36.06 | tierra | weird |
| 23:36.31 | mgeary | so, pretending for a minute that i know complete jack about Android tablets, what would be an inexpensive tablet i could get that would still have Android 2.3 browser? I have been testing on a Nexus 7, but clearly that doesn't/can't have it |
| 23:36.52 | mgeary | anything i could get at Costco? |
| 23:37.09 | DexterTheDragon | the galaxy tab runs 2.2/2.3 if you can find it |
| 23:37.50 | tierra | there's some Polaroid android-based tablet my sister picked up for here 5 and 9 year old daughters that was like $50... that might do it |
| 23:37.57 | tierra | can't remember what it was |
| 23:42.11 | tierra | http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-31632_7-57465273-237/polaroid-7-inch-internet-tablet/ <- something like that I think |
| 23:43.42 | mgeary | hmm. ok. thanks |
| 23:44.27 | DexterTheDragon | mgeary: have you tried running 2.3 on the emulator? |
| 23:44.37 | mgeary | what emulator is this? |
| 23:44.54 | DexterTheDragon | the android emulator |
| 23:45.02 | mgeary | does it work on Mac? |
| 23:45.07 | DexterTheDragon | yeah |
| 23:45.29 | mgeary | that's encouraging |
| 23:45.45 | DexterTheDragon | https://developer.android.com/tools/help/emulator.html |
| 23:53.39 | mgeary | aha. i actually already have that, but i haven't actually run it yet |