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| 17:47.56 | mindjuju__ | if I wanted a script to trigger on disc insert, how would i do that? |
| 18:03.56 | herlo | udev |
| 18:04.23 | mindjuju__ | that sounds familiar, where you using that with USB for a UTOSC function? |
| 18:04.37 | herlo | yes |
| 18:04.42 | herlo | but it works for most anything |
| 18:04.50 | mindjuju__ | ~herlo++ |
| 18:07.06 | josephscott | WordPress 3.5 out, download counter reset to zero - http://wordpress.org/download/counter/ |
| 18:09.05 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 18:09.05 | raifbot | raises middle finger to SunSparc. |
| 18:13.29 | josephscott | $8ball feel like Frodo now? |
| 18:13.29 | raifbot | josephscott - My sources say no. |
| 18:15.10 | TuxToaster | josephscott: got a question for you |
| 18:15.25 | josephscott | ok, hopefully I have an answer :-) |
| 18:15.28 | TuxToaster | how does WP handle last-modified headers by deafault? |
| 18:15.31 | TuxToaster | default, even |
| 18:15.41 | Monnok | $8ball is it because Frodo's finger wasnt cauterized immediately? |
| 18:15.42 | raifbot | Monnok - Outlook good. |
| 18:15.50 | TuxToaster | doesn't it return the time the post was last updated? |
| 18:17.06 | josephscott | by default I don't think there is anything in there |
| 18:17.11 | josephscott | think from the web server level |
| 18:18.15 | josephscott | most cases people use a caching plugin or layer, then that takes care of etag/last modified bits |
| 18:22.24 | TuxToaster | kk. I'm pretty sure a plugin is what's causing their headaches anyways |
| 18:22.42 | TuxToaster | I thought WP by default returned a timestamp of the last time the post was saved |
| 18:22.49 | TuxToaster | though that may have been a plugin I had used before. :-) |
| 18:23.08 | TuxToaster | but yeah, they apparently have something that always returns the last update as... now. |
| 18:23.22 | TuxToaster | and then they were complaining that they were getting a ton of traffic that was ignoring the cache. |
| 18:25.37 | josephscott | yeah |
| 18:25.48 | josephscott | it wasn't ignoring the cache at all in that case :-) |
| 18:26.22 | josephscott | you can always spin up a new WP install real quick, see if there are any headers by default, my memory is that there are none |
| 18:27.14 | josephscott | what are the plans for the next UPHPU? |
| 18:50.46 | Heartsbane | ~lart Benni_Hanna |
| 18:50.46 | ibot | takes Benni_Hanna to the vet for a "special" visit |
| 18:54.56 | Benni_Hanna | ouch |
| 18:55.13 | Heartsbane | ~lart Benni_Hanna |
| 18:55.13 | ibot | cats /dev/urandom into Benni_Hanna's ear |
| 18:55.25 | Heartsbane | that is worse |
| 18:55.50 | Benni_Hanna | I agree that's definitely worse |
| 18:56.08 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: I don't have anything that would modify mine and it sends an expires header of "Wed, 11 Jan 1984 05:00:00 GMT" |
| 18:56.08 | Benni_Hanna | ~lart Heartsbane |
| 18:56.08 | ibot | pries Heartsbane's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to Heartsbane |
| 18:57.15 | Heartsbane | O I C |
| 18:59.26 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: wow |
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| 19:18.54 | josephscott | 1984, that was a good year :-) |
| 19:34.22 | mindjuju__ | ninnypants, i was wrong about the flood of cameras and drones being the worst thing since a neanderthal punk thought up wedgies, http://www.thedaily.com/article/2012/12/10/121012-news-bus-audio-surveillance/ |
| 19:35.14 | mindjuju__ | for all you camera loving, give me safety despite-the-costs folks, this should make you even happier |
| 19:39.15 | ninnypants | mindjuju__: if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear ;) |
| 19:39.48 | mindjuju__ | yup, just ask the people of East Germany how that worked for them |
| 19:40.25 | ninnypants | mindjuju__: not sure I've read about that or at least remember reading it |
| 19:41.49 | ninnypants | I'm not sure what good cameras and microphones on buses are going to help with guess it could help them with complaints about drivers |
| 19:42.03 | skinner | Is there a PHP meeting this month? |
| 19:42.08 | mindjuju__ | it's inconceivable that in our effort to outdo the whole world, we've taken it up as a challenge to outdo the Stasi |
| 19:42.14 | ninnypants | I have trouble believing many robberies are planned on the bus |
| 19:45.34 | TuxToaster | skinner: I don't think so |
| 19:46.02 | TuxToaster | it's Carmony's call now, but the discussion at the last meeting was that it was looking like there probably wouldn't be one. |
| 19:46.12 | TuxToaster | had quite a few people say they couldn't come at least |
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| 20:01.26 | josephscott | skinner: not sure, I'm wondering the same thing |
| 20:02.05 | josephscott | mindjuju__: the SF installs are apparently funded by a grant for Dept. of Homeland Security, I suspect for many agencies it is hard to turn down free money |
| 20:03.23 | mindjuju__ | it's not really free on either side |
| 20:03.45 | mindjuju__ | the money isn't theirs, it's mine; the money comes with strings and requirements |
| 20:04.29 | josephscott | right, free in the sense that they don't have to pay/work for it, just use it in certain ways |
| 20:04.50 | josephscott | perhaps I should have quoted it, "free money" |
| 20:05.06 | josephscott | it all comes from some where, but from the SF pov it is basically free |
| 20:05.35 | josephscott | my point was, to really stop these sorts of things you probably need to spin down DoHS |
| 20:05.53 | josephscott | as long as they keep giving grants for these sorts of things local agencies will take it |
| 20:06.22 | josephscott | plus, it is harder to fight the same fight over and over again in different cities |
| 20:08.37 | mindjuju__ | i'm with ya on removal of DoHS |
| 20:08.54 | mindjuju__ | but i think it is a weed that will sprout somewhere else |
| 20:09.16 | mindjuju__ | there is tremendous waste in government use of taxpayer $$ |
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| 20:14.27 | mindjuju__ | SunSparc_, i've got to say, i'm surprised by your tweet |
| 20:14.36 | mindjuju__ | you really got 1TB via DSL? |
| 20:18.07 | josephscott | mindjuju__: I'm not sure I follow, because there is waste already we shouldn't try to dial down DoHS? |
| 20:20.47 | mindjuju__ | sorry confusing, i'm actually trying to say we need to manage monies better, and that is the problem. that because we manage monies badly, the removal alone of the DoHS isn't enough because that will just free up more money to be wasted elsewhere |
| 20:21.36 | josephscott | perhaps, but I think it is a good start |
| 20:21.46 | mindjuju__ | true |
| 20:22.04 | josephscott | I'm also coming to appreciate that anything with a gazillion dollar budget probably isn't going to have perfect monetary oversight |
| 20:22.25 | josephscott | so we continue to try and watch and refine as best we can |
| 20:22.45 | josephscott | with reasonable preventative processes where possible |
| 20:22.56 | mindjuju__ | so, let me ask this then |
| 20:23.54 | SunSparc | mindjuju__: lol |
| 20:24.00 | josephscott | I'm trying to figure out how to be both responsible and realistic at the same time :-) |
| 20:24.00 | mindjuju__ | your kiddo, the one that remembered passwords, let's pretend she's 16 now. Give her the family CC and let her do her purchases? or give her a CC tied to her bank account and let your money flow into that one so that it is measured? |
| 20:24.21 | SunSparc | mindjuju__: Yeah, I actually pulled down 1TB of data. :) |
| 20:24.21 | mindjuju__ | see, my point is, they shouldn't have the $$ if they don't need it |
| 20:24.25 | josephscott | so first, I don't have a gazillion dollar budget |
| 20:24.39 | mindjuju__ | SunSparc, i'm amazed :) |
| 20:25.07 | mindjuju__ | do you see my point though josephscott |
| 20:25.16 | josephscott | not really |
| 20:25.29 | josephscott | I don't think the fed govt would be able to get by on my household budget |
| 20:25.51 | josephscott | for that matter I don't think the city of sandy could either :-) |
| 20:26.01 | mindjuju__ | i don't think it is a good idea to flood the government with monies, they should have what they need and that is it |
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| 20:26.41 | josephscott | right, and even with tightening down, they'll still need a gazillion $$ |
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| 20:27.05 | josephscott | I don't see governing a country like the US on a budget of say $3B |
| 20:31.01 | SunSparc | josephscott: If the states govern themselves and the fed handles military services (on home soil) and maybe a few others, $3B might be feasible. |
| 20:31.13 | mindjuju__ | let me give this a think josephscott and i'll post back on this when I have a little more time (/me building out a replacement img server and a side project using udev), if we so severely contrain the slush of $$ the gov has, then we have problems by the inability to react in a timely manner, however, I think we are in a place where the gov is saturated with monies (both foreign and domestic), and is spending money stupidly |
| 20:32.44 | josephscott | SunSparc: then the waste would be shifted to the states |
| 20:33.03 | josephscott | but honestly, the Utah state budget is nearly $12B for 2012 |
| 20:33.33 | josephscott | assuming that it is 50% waste, that still only gets you to $6B, for one state |
| 20:34.26 | SunSparc | How about if we just burn the fed to the ground and then rebuild only what is necessary. :) |
| 20:34.27 | josephscott | I'm not suggesting there isn't waste to be fixed, but as I get older I'm realizing that gov't still has people running the system (at least until the robots take over) |
| 20:34.44 | josephscott | and people do silly things and make mistakes every day |
| 20:45.01 | josephscott | having better systems and processes will help, but won't ever be perfect |
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| 21:05.16 | mindjuju__ | btw josephscott, there is carmony if you want to ask him about UPHPU this month |
| 21:05.27 | josephscott | $lart carmony |
| 21:05.27 | raifbot | teaches carmony that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 21:05.28 | carmony | hey |
| 21:05.28 | mindjuju__ | poor carmony |
| 21:05.33 | josephscott | hehe |
| 21:05.35 | carmony | ;p; |
| 21:05.36 | carmony | lol |
| 21:05.37 | carmony | gah |
| 21:05.39 | carmony | ~lolstats |
| 21:05.39 | ibot | total count of lol on #uphpu: 5298. Top 3: TuxToaster -- 1029 (19.4%), SunSparc -- 579 (10.9%), herlo -- 576 (10.9%) |
| 21:05.40 | josephscott | haha! |
| 21:05.43 | carmony | YES! |
| 21:05.48 | carmony | ~lolstats carmony |
| 21:05.48 | ibot | carmony has said lol 556 times (10.5 %), ranked 4/123 (percentile: 3.3 %) |
| 21:05.52 | josephscott | oh man, carmony fell of the list! |
| 21:06.09 | TuxToastering | carmony: 20 more to go. |
| 21:06.16 | mindjuju__ | i think i have 1 instance to my name, and i think it was an accident |
| 21:06.24 | SunSparc | Wow, I am back in second place. |
| 21:06.25 | carmony | ~lolstats mindjuju |
| 21:06.25 | ibot | mindjuju has said lol 6 times (0.1 %), ranked 41/123 (percentile: 33.3 %) |
| 21:06.36 | mindjuju__ | oh, 6x |
| 21:06.38 | TuxToastering | ~purge TuxToaster's lolstats |
| 21:06.45 | josephscott | ~purge TuxToastering |
| 21:06.54 | josephscott | $rm TuxToastering |
| 21:06.55 | raifbot | opens /dev/null and eliminates TuxToastering forever. |
| 21:06.57 | TuxToastering | mindjuju__: for the record, 6 times is not an accident |
| 21:07.01 | mindjuju__ | ~tuxtoaster |
| 21:07.01 | ibot | from memory, tuxtoaster is neither a penguin nor a toaster |
| 21:07.53 | TuxToastering | the "ing" is a joke here at work, because we have two database tables with similar columns, but the genius that designed them added "ing" to a few column names in one of them. |
| 21:07.58 | mindjuju__ | TuxToastering, know that saying about a room full of monkeys pounding on a keyboard will eventually (like over a billion years) make a shakespear piece + a smelly room of dead monkeys |
| 21:08.23 | mindjuju__ | randomly, it could happen |
| 21:08.24 | SunSparc | ibot: TuxToaster is also a highly skilled expert of the server administration variety |
| 21:08.24 | ibot | ACTION pours gas all over is also a highly skilled expert of the server administration variety, stands back and tosses a match |
| 21:08.25 | josephscott | carmony: so what is the plan for this month's meeting? |
| 21:08.33 | josephscott | the meeting this month |
| 21:08.42 | josephscott | $rewrite my messages |
| 21:08.42 | mindjuju__ | and lately, i've been missing the keyed keys on the keyboard and talking all kinds of weird |
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| 21:09.05 | TuxToastering | $rm josephscott's messages |
| 21:09.05 | raifbot | opens /dev/null and eliminates josephscott's messages forever. |
| 21:09.21 | josephscott | $summon an editor to make my writing better |
| 21:09.32 | TuxToastering | mindjuju__: just lately? :P |
| 21:09.54 | carmony | we have two options: we can either not do one (which we have done in the past for Dec), or we can get together and have a round-table discussion about PHP dev/SCM/Frameworks/Tools/etc |
| 21:09.59 | mindjuju__ | :) |
| 21:13.14 | josephscott | carmony: ok, what is the plan for Jan meeting? |
| 21:13.45 | carmony | I have a few possible speakers lined up, just need for them to pick a month :) |
| 21:14.16 | mindjuju__ | you know carmony, back when i was grand poobah, we went straight to the afta-hrs party and skipped the meet |
| 21:14.34 | carmony | mindjuju__: we could do that too :) I'm open for anything. |
| 21:14.50 | mindjuju__ | though you could prolly con herlo to bring a game and then you'd have people like macnewbold show up |
| 21:14.50 | TuxToastering | carmony: yeah we had quite a few people saying they wouldn't be able to make a Dec. meeting |
| 21:14.59 | macnewbold | wat? |
| 21:15.06 | carmony | macnewbold: pm |
| 21:16.01 | josephscott | I think I can make the UPHPU meeting this month |
| 21:16.15 | josephscott | that might have been obvious though since I was asking about it :-) |
| 21:16.27 | TuxToastering | lol |
| 21:16.30 | macnewbold | run, run for your lives! |
| 21:16.31 | carmony | lol |
| 21:16.39 | macnewbold | carmony has been replaced by HAL |
| 21:16.44 | TuxToastering | carmony: 19 to go |
| 21:16.48 | carmony | gah |
| 21:16.49 | TuxToastering | :D |
| 21:16.52 | carmony | jI need to stop loling |
| 21:16.54 | TuxToastering | it's habit, isn't it? |
| 21:17.02 | macnewbold | ~lolstats |
| 21:17.02 | ibot | total count of lol on #uphpu: 5300. Top 3: TuxToaster -- 1029 (19.4%), SunSparc -- 579 (10.9%), herlo -- 576 (10.9%) |
| 21:17.11 | TuxToastering | $lart macnewbold |
| 21:17.11 | raifbot | slaps a compatible dib on macnewbold's head. |
| 21:17.30 | TuxToastering | ~speed up raifbot |
| 21:17.30 | ibot | ACTION straps a jet engine onto raifbot |
| 21:18.29 | mindjuju__ | so macnewbold, did you invoke the "No tag backs" rule on carmony vis a vis UPHPU grand poobah ship? |
| 21:20.07 | SunSparc | According to the lolstats, TuxToastering is the happiest geek among us. :) |
| 21:21.42 | macnewbold | mindjuju__: hehe, only as much as you did when you handed off to me... |
| 21:21.54 | macnewbold | plus, i think if carmony hands off to you, that doesn't count as a tag back |
| 21:22.23 | macnewbold | then it's just a vicious circle |
| 21:23.36 | TuxToastering | heh |
| 21:23.46 | TuxToastering | SunSparc: I am pretty happy. |
| 21:24.13 | josephscott | macnewbold: did you include a graduation clause for mindjuju__ when he handed it off to you? |
| 21:24.16 | mindjuju__ | macnewbold, i can run pretty fast |
| 21:24.24 | SunSparc | TuxToastering: way to be :) |
| 21:24.30 | macnewbold | nah, it was pretty open |
| 21:25.07 | TuxToastering | SunSparc: http://cl.ly/image/163c0d0P0n3f |
| 21:25.13 | macnewbold | it's my wife that would hunt someone down if there was any attempt of handing back to me. i wouldn't care, and was very hesitant to dump it on someone else. |
| 21:25.33 | SunSparc | TuxToastering: Nice! |
| 21:27.22 | TuxToastering | macnewbold: it's 1 night a month, plus trying to convince people to talk |
| 21:27.23 | TuxToastering | :P |
| 21:27.47 | TuxToastering | y'all make it sound like it's a plague |
| 21:27.48 | macnewbold | yeah, that's what i said |
| 21:27.57 | macnewbold | not the part about the plague though |
| 21:28.07 | TuxToastering | heh |
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| 21:31.43 | fungus | SunSparc, almost 1TB of bandwidth for your DSL? dude. That's insane. |
| 21:31.47 | fungus | you got hacked? |
| 21:33.31 | TuxToastering | wow |
| 21:35.32 | fungus | I average about 300GB/mo and I thought that was a ton. |
| 21:38.09 | mgeary | anyone here used shopify? |
| 21:40.14 | josephscott | samba4, nice - https://www.samba.org/samba/news/releases/4.0.0.html |
| 21:40.55 | josephscott | though honestly I'm happy not having to deal with Active Directory and friends |
| 21:43.06 | TuxToastering | my Comcast actually is averaging below 200GB/mo |
| 21:43.19 | TuxToastering | and that's with my wife and kid watching Netflix fairly often |
| 21:45.41 | ninnypants | mgeary: I did one theme for it but that's about it |
| 21:46.25 | mgeary | ninnypants: trying to figure out how it all actually works |
| 21:47.29 | mgeary | ninnypants: how was making a theme different than "normal" html/css development? |
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| 21:54.15 | herlo | lol |
| 22:00.02 | ninnypants | mgeary: it's not too different the just have some template tags that you use to do different things |
| 22:00.53 | SunSparc | fungus: Yeah, I admit, 1TB of bandwidth it a bit on the high side. :) |
| 22:00.57 | mgeary | template tag language looks *exactly* like Django's |
| 22:01.05 | fungus | a bit? lol |
| 22:01.13 | SunSparc | mgeary: I have looked at shopify, looks pretty sweet. |
| 22:01.16 | ninnypants | I didn't really like working on it though because as far as I know there isn't a way to ftp up template files so you have to do everything through a web interface so you have to copy code into your editor then copy it back |
| 22:01.32 | SunSparc | fungus: Yeah, well, there are tons of sites that need to be browsed every day. |
| 22:01.48 | SunSparc | Videos to watch, pictures to see, music to stream. |
| 22:01.51 | SunSparc | I have a lot on my plate. |
| 22:02.11 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:02.19 | SunSparc | ~:)stats |
| 22:02.19 | ibot | total count of :) on #uphpu: 4201. Top 3: mindjuju -- 1375 (32.7%), SunSparc -- 914 (21.8%), beandog -- 392 (9.3%) |
| 22:02.21 | fungus | My house streams Netflix nearly 14 hours a day. At least one stream, sometimes 2 or 3 |
| 22:02.41 | fungus | It's would take something extremely severe to get to 1TB |
| 22:02.53 | SunSparc | fungus: Your house get bored while you are away? ;) |
| 22:03.19 | fungus | No, my sister and niece live there too. My sis works from home, watching it all day long. |
| 22:03.25 | SunSparc | fungus: Yes, severe is a good term for this case. I had a hard drive die and had to rely on an online backup to restore. |
| 22:03.37 | fungus | oh, ok. that makes sense. |
| 22:03.50 | josephscott | SunSparc: time to turn off that Tor exit node and all those bittorrent seeds :-) |
| 22:04.04 | SunSparc | josephscott: no kidding :) |
| 22:05.47 | SunSparc | The annoying thing is, that page from CenturyLink came up as a redirect in the middle of what I was doing and all my other traffic died until I clicked "Continue". |
| 22:06.19 | SunSparc | Could not just send me an email apparently. |
| 22:08.30 | josephscott | lame |
| 22:09.14 | mindjuju__ | no way i'm the top smiley person |
| 22:09.43 | ninnypants | I wonder if they have trouble with people claiming they hadn't seen the emails |
| 22:11.20 | fungus | I agree with Qwest that 1TB is extreme, but understandable in your case. Their action to redirect you is also extreme, but in order to protect themselves and others from a run away system, DoS attack, worms, etc. is totally justified. |
| 22:12.38 | josephscott | just throttle it and send an email |
| 22:12.46 | josephscott | killing a connection in the middle is just not fun |
| 22:16.11 | TuxToastering | mindjuju__: it seems that you are |
| 22:19.36 | herlo | ~:)stats herlo |
| 22:19.36 | ibot | herlo has said :) 287 times (6.8 %), ranked 4/125 (percentile: 3.2 %) |
| 22:19.47 | herlo | wow |
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| 22:23.50 | SunSparc | ninnypants1: Could be. |
| 22:24.13 | SunSparc | fungus: Yeah, still annoying. :) |
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| 22:35.58 | ninnypants | http://blog.netflix.com/2012/12/november-isp-rankings-for-usa.html |
| 22:39.01 | josephscott | awesome URL http://dl.dropbox.com/u/82199947/Netflix%20-%20DO%20NOT%20DELETE/jquery.tweet.js |
| 22:45.37 | DexterTheDragon | I'm pretty sure josephscott uses a browser that only shows the raw html |
| 22:46.08 | josephscott | I don't browse the web often, but when I do I use cURL |
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| 22:49.22 | mindjuju__ | for josephscott - http://qkme.me/3s5gtq |
| 22:49.55 | josephscott | haha |
| 22:50.39 | josephscott | http://i.qkme.me/3s5gtq.jpg |
| 22:51.31 | TuxToastering | lol |
| 22:51.41 | josephscott | no more C7 for UPHPU meetings!? oh noes! |
| 22:51.59 | DexterTheDragon | to carmony's house! |
| 22:52.16 | jsmith | "To the trees!" |
| 22:52.18 | jsmith | Oh, wait... |
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| 22:54.06 | herlo | josephscott: wha? |
| 22:54.29 | josephscott | herlo: https://twitter.com/JustinCarmony/status/278610717173751808https://twitter.com/JustinCarmony/status/278610717173751808 |
| 22:54.49 | herlo | for things like that |
| 22:55.07 | mindjuju__ | he's prolly getting around to it :) |
| 22:55.46 | josephscott | or you know, post on the front page of UPHPU.org :-) |
| 22:55.46 | herlo | carmony: yo, I know SaltStack wants to host UPHPU! :) |
| 22:56.08 | carmony | I'll email, I swear! :P |
| 22:56.11 | josephscott | that area right around C7 is a great spot |
| 22:56.13 | herlo | josephscott: that could work, except I don't read that either, and mindjuju__ hasn't granted me back access to planet.utos.org :) |
| 22:56.13 | carmony | I was just publicly lamenting |
| 22:56.39 | mindjuju__ | ? |
| 22:56.39 | TuxToastering | carmony: we've been talking about trying to host it here at the Vivint TP office |
| 22:56.42 | herlo | carmony: sure you were, this channel is a pretty legit place to lament |
| 22:56.50 | carmony | lol |
| 22:56.52 | carmony | gah |
| 22:56.56 | carmony | , I got stop that |
| 22:57.15 | herlo | mindjuju__: point dns for planet.utos.org to 71.19.154.134 and I'll get it back up :) |
| 22:57.18 | josephscott | hahaha! |
| 22:57.25 | clondoning | I like this prediction about JS apps: "I suspect interest in making this style of application will only increase over time, become foolishly and inappropriately overused, and finally settle down as a useful addition to a developer's toolset." |
| 22:57.26 | carmony | I'm going to see if we could maybe use SEO.com's place, and if not that, the Vivint TP office is pretty good too |
| 22:57.36 | herlo | SEO.com is where? |
| 22:57.43 | UtahDave | I bet I could convince SaltStack to host the UPHPU meetings |
| 22:57.44 | mindjuju__ | seo.com is bluffdale |
| 22:57.47 | josephscott | was right next door to C7 |
| 22:57.53 | herlo | seo.com would be good |
| 22:57.55 | josephscott | it is now in Sandy near Ebay |
| 22:58.03 | herlo | worksforme |
| 22:58.08 | josephscott | saltstack has an office? |
| 22:58.12 | herlo | josephscott: yes, in Murray |
| 22:58.15 | herlo | has for a few months now |
| 22:58.27 | josephscott | neat |
| 22:58.31 | mindjuju__ | herlo, didn't you get the telepathetic memo on the status of planet.utos.org? |
| 22:58.33 | herlo | right of 53rd, you'd go opposite of traffic from Sandy |
| 22:58.33 | josephscott | the office part, not the Murray part :-) |
| 22:58.45 | UtahDave | josephscott: yep! |
| 22:58.46 | herlo | mindjuju__: lol, when would I get that |
| 22:58.46 | TuxToastering | carmony: can I PM really quick? |
| 22:58.51 | carmony | sure |
| 22:58.58 | mindjuju__ | i'll send it out again right now |
| 22:59.02 | herlo | mindjuju__: it may have went to my telepathic spam folder |
| 22:59.09 | mindjuju__ | check the site |
| 22:59.25 | mindjuju__ | wow, the conversation stopped |
| 22:59.30 | mindjuju__ | o.O |
| 22:59.39 | mindjuju__ | O.o |
| 22:59.45 | mindjuju__ | o.o |
| 22:59.47 | mahelious | i did not know carmony had been made president. congrats! |
| 22:59.57 | mindjuju__ | congrats is hardly the word for it |
| 23:00.03 | carmony | haha |
| 23:00.13 | josephscott | more like 'welcome to the jungle' |
| 23:00.26 | herlo | lol |
| 23:00.28 | mindjuju__ | more like, here is stock in advil |
| 23:00.42 | herlo | mindjuju__: I knew about the Open West Conference |
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| 23:01.07 | mindjuju | planet is up, you saw that right? |
| 23:01.13 | herlo | mindjuju: but that doesn't explain planet.utos.org or planet.ow.org orwhatever |
| 23:01.17 | herlo | mindjuju: no |
| 23:01.31 | herlo | mindjuju: that's not a planet |
| 23:01.38 | mindjuju | ? |
| 23:01.45 | ninnypants | herlo: seo.com https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=217006770360148231805.0004cf7c78bf5c6594fd6&msa=0&ll=40.537071,-111.896532&spn=0.002494,0.003484 |
| 23:01.56 | herlo | that's a listing of blog post with titles |
| 23:02.02 | herlo | the planet gives you much more |
| 23:02.12 | mindjuju | ...like... |
| 23:02.14 | herlo | mindjuju: where's the rss feed |
| 23:02.23 | herlo | mindjuju: why does it not have the story?? |
| 23:02.29 | herlo | I don't want to click to read them all |
| 23:02.36 | herlo | I just want to go there and read them |
| 23:02.43 | mindjuju | k |
| 23:02.55 | mindjuju | that it? |
| 23:03.13 | herlo | mindjuju: a list of contributors to the planet |
| 23:03.28 | herlo | probably other things too that I haven't thought of |
| 23:03.29 | DexterTheDragon | something like this http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 23:03.33 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: rihg |
| 23:03.37 | herlo | gah, right |
| 23:04.03 | herlo | that's run with planetvenus, right dtd? |
| 23:05.27 | DexterTheDragon | herlo: i dunno |
| 23:05.55 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: looks like it is, that's what the old planet.utos.org was on |
| 23:06.12 | herlo | mindjuju: at least planet.utos.org redirects :) |
| 23:08.58 | mindjuju | let me see what i can do to make it more like you like it |
| 23:09.21 | herlo | mindjuju: lol, it's not so much about me as much as it's a standard-type interface |
| 23:09.41 | herlo | if there were ways to get a lot of those features in the planet in what you have with very little work, I'm all for it :) |
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| 23:12.37 | TuxToastering | $rlart |
| 23:12.38 | raifbot | cats /dev/urandom into eggyknap's ear. |
| 23:13.32 | herlo | ~lart TuxToastering |
| 23:13.32 | ibot | burns TuxToastering to a crisp with a laser |
| 23:13.40 | herlo | ooh, sorry about that TuxToastering |
| 23:16.16 | herlo | lol |
| 23:35.38 | mindjuju | there, see if that is more agreeable herlo, not sure why utahcon image isn't rendering |
| 23:37.22 | herlo | mindjuju: somewhat. It only has two entries and i still don't see all the bloggers in the community :) |
| 23:37.42 | herlo | mindjuju: additionally, most posts were not cut off unless their blog software chose to do that in the excerpt |
| 23:38.11 | herlo | I am not sure I care one way or the other about that atm |
| 23:39.10 | mindjuju | just looking at style here |
| 23:39.17 | mindjuju | i'll import everybody later |
| 23:39.25 | mindjuju | if not agreeable, then why do the import? |
| 23:39.29 | herlo | mindjuju: I do like the events thing |
| 23:40.01 | herlo | mindjuju: I'm not saying that I only see two entries, but rather, I don't see a list of contributors somewhere. |
| 23:40.33 | herlo | In the old planet, you could click on their name and go to their blog or click on the rss link next to them and go to their rss feed. I always liked being able to look and see who was who there. |
| 23:41.52 | mindjuju | this isn't going to wind up being "exactly" like you had it, but i think we can find a happy medium between function and design |
| 23:42.31 | mindjuju | about the cutoff, i can have it dump the whole article or truncate and link |
| 23:42.34 | mindjuju | which is where it is now |
| 23:43.00 | herlo | mindjuju: I think we can try both and see which works better |
| 23:43.08 | herlo | and something like 10-15 articles is nice |
| 23:43.35 | herlo | it's not like I'm not going to have a 'next | previous' option, right? |
| 23:43.48 | herlo | maybe go back a month or so... |
| 23:44.25 | mindjuju | yup, all options, really more focused on design right now |
| 23:45.11 | herlo | I guess I thought that would figure into the design some |
| 23:45.53 | mindjuju | so this link here, isn't doing it for ya? http://screencast.com/t/JvQzgwngN6IN |
| 23:47.10 | herlo | mindjuju: like I said, we can try both and see which works better |
| 23:47.25 | herlo | I kind of prefer the whole article. It's part of the point of a planet |
| 23:48.00 | mindjuju | refresh for whole |
| 23:48.22 | mindjuju | i'm liking the truncated |
| 23:48.47 | herlo | I kind of like this version |
| 23:49.14 | mindjuju | so question, what if you have like 5 min to skim |
| 23:49.29 | herlo | mindjuju: have a quick look at this: http://planet.fedoraproject.org/ |
| 23:49.33 | mindjuju | skim is harder with who article, no? |
| 23:49.41 | herlo | and this |
| 23:49.42 | herlo | http://planet.gnome.org/ |
| 23:49.59 | herlo | and this |
| 23:50.05 | herlo | http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 23:50.05 | mindjuju | yup, i got the point |
| 23:50.06 | herlo | mindjuju: each of them have whole articles |
| 23:50.08 | mindjuju | did you see the q? |
| 23:50.10 | herlo | yes |
| 23:50.38 | mindjuju | ...and... |
| 23:50.40 | herlo | I usually read the first couple paragraphs to see if I like it, but what is nice is that if I do, I don't have to click and open a new tab to read it |
| 23:50.46 | herlo | also, rss feeds would get shortened |
| 23:51.04 | herlo | since that's the content you are using, unless you write another function to handle that separatly |
| 23:51.11 | herlo | s/atly/ately/ |
| 23:51.52 | herlo | the point is that it's a planet, not a snippet of what is going on in each post |
| 23:52.13 | herlo | I suppose if it used jquery to download the rest on a click, it could be useful |
| 23:56.25 | herlo | mindjuju: oh, and if at all possible, putting the posting time/date at the top next to a hackergotchi would be nice. |
| 23:56.36 | mindjuju | yup |
| 23:56.52 | herlo | rather than at the bottom, that is |
| 23:58.03 | mindjuju | reverted back so that all contribs are posted, we'll get to this, thx for feedback |
| 23:58.11 | herlo | oh, one thing I just realized, but wasn't on my mind until I just looked again. The way that a planet it organized, the date is stated once at the top and posts within that date are 'grouped' if you will. |
| 23:59.04 | herlo | so if you look at planet.fedoraproject.org, you'll see Dec 11, 2012 on the top right, above gomix's post, then the blue background goes down until Dec 10, 2012 shows up, a new background continues... |
| 23:59.12 | mindjuju | yup |
| 23:59.31 | herlo | just a nice way of groupign by day, i guess, but I like it |
