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| 03:08.23 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: server will be up shortly. Finally got a chance to poke at it when I got home. Apparently my last config on my switch wasn't saved |
| 03:08.54 | TuxToaster | so as soon as I set up the vlans on it and write the config we should be up and running again |
| 03:08.58 | TuxToaster | stupid power outages. |
| 03:11.17 | herlo | anyone up for skiing this weekend? |
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| 16:21.22 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: not sure if you saw last night, but I got the server back online |
| 16:21.35 | TuxToaster | and this time I made sure to update the startup config in the switch |
| 16:22.25 | SunSparc | Cool, thanks. My brother noticed it seemed to have been restored from a previous date as some of the things he had worked on were reverted. |
| 16:22.39 | TuxToaster | hmm |
| 16:23.07 | SunSparc | Not sure what time that was though. |
| 16:23.33 | TuxToaster | odd. I didn't do any restores |
| 16:23.58 | TuxToaster | but initially when I couldn't get it to respond I did restart it, wonder if it hadn't saved to disk or something weird. |
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| 17:03.27 | Monnok | $chuck-fact |
| 17:03.27 | raifbot | Chuck Norris frequently donates blood to the Red Cross. Just never his own. |
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| 17:20.06 | mindjuju | SunSparc, TuxToaster, i too noted the reversion |
| 17:20.25 | mindjuju | after taking my criminalistics class, i needed 10 min of R&R and noted the same |
| 17:20.33 | mindjuju | err, final, not class |
| 17:20.45 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: Yeah, I dunno. It was weird. |
| 17:21.08 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Really? Usually MC saves world changes as it goes. |
| 17:21.57 | mindjuju | so, i haven't used the MC server in weeks, but one thing i fixed was a leak in a man made river imade, i suspect enderman! |
| 17:22.08 | mindjuju | well, when i logged on last night, the leak was there again in same place |
| 17:22.25 | mindjuju | possible twas enderman again, but me no think so as another thing was broke that id fixed |
| 17:22.57 | mindjuju | but you know, now that i think about it, there were some things that i did a few days ago that were there |
| 17:22.59 | mindjuju | very weird |
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| 17:38.41 | TuxToaster | very. |
| 17:43.27 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: depends on when you previously had logged in actually |
| 17:43.31 | TuxToaster | (same for SunSparc's brother) |
| 17:43.50 | TuxToaster | I *did* have to restore it a while back when I accidentally nuked some progress |
| 17:44.01 | TuxToaster | but that was fairly early on |
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| 17:53.44 | UtahDave | nice. just got my steam for linux beta invite! Installing TF2 right now |
| 17:55.07 | tierra | ugh, I want my invite already... |
| 17:55.31 | DexterTheDragon | got mine yesterday |
| 18:03.28 | fungus | Ooh, nice. Got mine today too. Installing now. |
| 18:07.39 | UtahDave | just installed the latest intel video card drivers. time to reboot |
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| 18:20.18 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 18:20.18 | raifbot | holds kim27 to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails. |
| 18:20.28 | SunSparc | Steam for Linux?! Sweet! |
| 18:21.30 | tierra | oh, I'm an idiot... I did get the steam linux invite yesterday |
| 18:21.31 | tierra | heh |
| 18:30.58 | fungus | Nice, Amnesia works on Linux |
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| 18:40.49 | josephscott | bummer, the end of free google apps for domains - http://googleenterprise.blogspot.com/2012/12/changes-to-google-apps-for-businesses.html |
| 18:41.14 | TuxToaster | OOF |
| 18:41.17 | TuxToaster | that sucks. |
| 18:41.51 | TuxToaster | I'd actually gladly pay for some of those if they weren't $50/user/year |
| 18:42.03 | TuxToaster | awfully steep for hosting a single email account |
| 18:46.48 | herlo | consider mail.zoho.com |
| 18:47.01 | herlo | 3 accounts for free with 5GB of storage |
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| 19:12.16 | DexterTheDragon | or ya know, postfix |
| 19:13.27 | herlo | but then you have to maintain it |
| 19:13.43 | herlo | just sayin' |
| 19:14.36 | DexterTheDragon | but you do get as many accounts as you want with as much storage as you have |
| 19:15.23 | herlo | sure, you do that |
| 19:15.26 | herlo | have fun with it :) |
| 19:18.28 | tierra | you would think there would be a better MTA by now that was simple to setup, and easy to tie into a reliable spam filtering service or something |
| 19:18.42 | herlo | there is, it's called gmail |
| 19:18.49 | tierra | heh |
| 19:18.52 | herlo | :) |
| 19:19.15 | herlo | tierra: actually, zimbra isn't too bad these days and includes all of that |
| 19:19.26 | herlo | it's even free, but you still have to maintain it |
| 19:20.07 | mgeary | anyone here used Twitter's APIs? |
| 19:20.36 | tierra | sort of my point... whatever spam filter is installed locally *will* need maintained/updated constantly, so at least that needs to be run through a service somewhere |
| 19:21.09 | tierra | but beyond that though, the rest should not be as hard as it is even with Postfix/Exim/etc |
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| 19:22.50 | herlo | tierra: yeah, zimbra handles the postfix install and account setup pretty nicely now |
| 19:23.04 | herlo | mgeary: I have a while back, not too hard iirc |
| 19:27.02 | mgeary | herlo: what i'm actually looking for is a way to preload/suggest a tweet |
| 19:27.18 | herlo | mgeary: hmm, sounds like fun |
| 19:27.56 | herlo | mgeary: I am assuming based upon previous tweets/history over time? |
| 19:29.32 | mgeary | herlo: no. the backstory is that someone wants a quote to build a flash app that allows people to type in a tweet. That tweet would be given a hashtag, and the user would be taken to something on twitter.com where they would see the composed tweet, and be prompted to enter their username & pwd to send it |
| 19:29.39 | mgeary | or something along those lines |
| 19:30.01 | herlo | that seems strange |
| 19:30.03 | mgeary | i've consumed twitter feeds before, but never done something like this |
| 19:30.32 | herlo | posting to twitter isn't hard, but I don't see the value in going to twitter.com so you can see the composed tweet. Why not just open a browser and go there then? |
| 19:30.51 | mgeary | well, the value is in them authenticating on twitter.com |
| 19:31.01 | herlo | mgeary: but you can do that through the api |
| 19:31.13 | mgeary | but that means you have to collect the credentials in your app |
| 19:31.15 | herlo | and / or oauth and a few other things. |
| 19:31.20 | herlo | mgeary: not necessarily |
| 19:31.28 | herlo | use oauth to do it |
| 19:31.36 | mgeary | tell me more |
| 19:31.44 | herlo | mgeary: have you never used oauth? |
| 19:32.03 | mgeary | not extensively. a bit with FB |
| 19:32.21 | herlo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRNg4tDtrkE |
| 19:32.25 | herlo | mgeary: watch this |
| 19:33.02 | UtahDave | today's xkcd is awesome. |
| 19:33.44 | mindjuju | ay chihuahua! that'sa spicy! - http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2012/12/05/christmas-gift-for-someone-you-hate-windows-8/ |
| 19:34.37 | mindjuju | "A reasonable user might respond to this dog’s breakfast of a user interface by trying to stick with either the familiar desktop or the new tablet. However, this is not possible. " |
| 19:34.54 | mindjuju | thats brutal |
| 19:35.11 | mindjuju | somewhere there is a MS UI dev that is trying to slit their wrist |
| 19:35.37 | Monnok | UtahDave: indeed. I actually lol'd |
| 19:35.57 | fungus | mgeary, for something like that, I know you used to be able to redirect to a twitter.com URL with a GET param for the body of the tweet, then let their site handle the rest (auth, submit) |
| 19:36.14 | mgeary | fungus: yeah, i think that's more along the lines of what this client is expecting |
| 19:36.57 | fungus | Example: every tweet button on web pages. |
| 19:37.41 | mgeary | yeah, i'm trying to find an example of that, and am currently failing |
| 19:37.59 | fungus | Here is the one in front of me now. http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/12/apple-ceo-tim-cook-to-brian-williams-dont-bet-against-us/#p3n |
| 19:38.11 | fungus | At the bottom of the article is a tweet button. |
| 19:38.23 | mgeary | bing |
| 19:38.24 | mgeary | 0 |
| 19:38.30 | mgeary | that's what i want. thank you! |
| 19:38.43 | mindjuju | can't keep a good fungus down! |
| 19:38.48 | mindjuju | ~fungus++ |
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| 20:11.29 | captbrogers | Sad that I would have to pay for this, but I want it bad |
| 20:11.32 | captbrogers | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiQ1LXRZIno |
| 20:12.49 | mindjuju | anybody here consider themselves a python ninja? |
| 20:17.09 | captbrogers | I only consider myself a ninja |
| 20:17.19 | mindjuju | http://tinyurl.com/pythonninja |
| 20:17.21 | fungus | I only consider myself a python |
| 20:17.43 | captbrogers | fungus: Then by our powers combined, we would be...! |
| 20:17.46 | captbrogers | ...rather odd. |
| 20:17.48 | mindjuju | heh |
| 20:18.57 | mindjuju | srry, bad joke |
| 20:19.33 | fungus | captfungus, he's our hero... |
| 20:20.21 | captbrogers | cap'n'fungus, cap'n'fungus, we can tell, when he's among us |
| 20:21.48 | fungus | lame, now the Captain Planet theme song is stuck in my head. |
| 20:22.00 | captbrogers | Or I'm just that good at trolling |
| 20:23.03 | captbrogers | That's it, I'm off to buy some food |
| 20:24.05 | herlo | interesting news: https://tech.dropbox.com/2012/12/welcome-guido/ |
| 20:39.48 | TuxToaster | lol |
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| 22:47.48 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: wow, I just logged in and to see what my brother and mindjuju were talking about. Looks like changes from about a week back are gone. So odd. |
| 22:48.00 | mgeary | hey fungus |
| 22:48.08 | mgeary | or any other tweeter |
| 22:48.24 | macnewbold | i think the proper term for "twitter user" is "twit" |
| 22:48.46 | fungus | The messages are called tweets |
| 22:48.59 | fungus | The people are called tweeters, or twitterers |
| 22:49.18 | macnewbold | okay, fine... |
| 22:49.21 | macnewbold | twit just sounds better |
| 22:49.24 | mgeary | if you were to use this URL to compose a tweet, and you wanted to add a hash tag, would you just add it as "#foo", like this: https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?original_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fapple.com%2F&text=Dont%20go%20breakin%20my%20heart%20%23boring&tw_p=tweetbutton |
| 22:49.49 | fungus | twit refers to something completely different. |
| 22:49.52 | fungus | http://twit.tv |
| 22:50.14 | fungus | mgeary, yes |
| 22:50.32 | mgeary | k. thanks |
| 22:54.33 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: wtf. hmm. |
| 22:54.39 | TuxToaster | when was the last time you logged in before now? |
| 22:55.28 | SunSparc | Hmmm... probably Wednesday... I think. |
| 22:55.32 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: so the backup looks like it was last modified on Dec 1st |
| 22:55.37 | TuxToaster | I wonder if it did a restore for some reason |
| 22:56.50 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: so I should clarify, mineOS does two backups. One is a "backup" where it just makes a complete copy of the server folder |
| 22:56.57 | TuxToaster | the other is "archive" where it makes a tar.gz of it |
| 22:57.09 | TuxToaster | I have it doing archives nightly |
| 22:57.16 | SunSparc | Cool. |
| 22:57.23 | TuxToaster | though oddly enough it didn't have archives for the 4th or 5th |
| 22:57.30 | TuxToaster | but I have one for the 6th and one for the 3rd |
| 22:57.34 | SunSparc | Yeah, not sure. I am not so much worried about the lost work, it is just really weird. |
| 22:57.45 | TuxToaster | so if you guys want I can backup what's there now and restore the other |
| 22:58.08 | TuxToaster | yeah, it's very weird. |
| 22:58.42 | TuxToaster | I have to wonder if the reason the backups didn't happen on those two days is if nobody logged in |
| 22:58.45 | SunSparc | Could be a MineOS feature. |
| 22:58.57 | TuxToaster | could be |
| 22:59.03 | SunSparc | Maybe it does a diff? That would be efficient. |
| 22:59.30 | SunSparc | Maybe the power issue? |
| 23:01.48 | TuxToaster | the archives are full archives as far as I know... but it might do a diff or check before copying the same stuff over and over |
| 23:02.09 | TuxToaster | the power issue happened on Wed. so that doesn't quite explain other days that are missing. So I'm guessing it might just detect changes |
| 23:02.39 | TuxToaster | do you want me to try restoring the backup from yesterday? Or just leave it as is? |
| 23:02.50 | TuxToaster | I wish the backups could tell me what they have rather than just being files. |
| 23:05.05 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: I say just leave it. My brother has been playing today and already redid a lot of stuff. So I would not worry about it. |
| 23:05.12 | TuxToaster | ok |
| 23:05.19 | SunSparc | Thanks though. |
| 23:05.39 | SunSparc | Looking forward to have you play on the server with us :) |
| 23:05.59 | TuxToaster | yup yup |
| 23:07.24 | TuxToaster | I might hop in this weekend after most of the family leaves, we'll see what happens there. Hoping to get a few minutes to tweak the backups on the server a bit, and I'm going to double check that it's on the UPS |
| 23:07.45 | SunSparc | Good call. |
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| 23:08.01 | TuxToaster | I think it is, but I don't know for sure offhand because I restarted it as part of the troubleshooting, which may have caused more problems than it was worth ;-) |
| 23:09.12 | TuxToaster | the fact that I hadn't run into that yet tells you how long my stuff has been up and working without problems though. Heh. I set up the switches just over a year ago and haven't had to touch them since |
| 23:10.24 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: Nice. I love it when stuff just works. |
| 23:10.42 | SunSparc | Try getting that kind of uptime with a Windoze box. |
| 23:10.55 | TuxToaster | no joke |
| 23:11.30 | TuxToaster | I actually have an MT server that I maintain for a site that runs a private IRC server, bots, scripts & internal web apps |
| 23:11.36 | TuxToaster | it's over 1,000 days up so far |
| 23:13.37 | SunSparc | Wow! |
| 23:13.38 | SunSparc | Nice. |
| 23:17.53 | TuxToaster | yup, they're pretty reliable |
| 23:18.37 | TuxToaster | I've got a server in my garage that I eventually should probably scrap |
| 23:18.58 | TuxToaster | bought it from some guy online when I was in high school |
| 23:19.18 | TuxToaster | it was a quad pentium 233, 12 drive bays. Beast of a box |
| 23:22.08 | TuxToaster | hmm, can't find a good pic of it online. Freaking huge though. |
| 23:54.56 | *** part/#uphpu clondon (~Adium@69.169.182.227.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net) |