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| 00:21.52 | supernovia | $8ball should I go to uphpu tonight? |
| 00:21.52 | raifbot | supernovia - Reply hazy, try again. |
| 00:22.02 | supernovia | $8ball should I shower first then go to UPHPU tonight? |
| 00:22.03 | raifbot | supernovia - Most likely. |
| 00:22.19 | supernovia | bueno |
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| 02:26.09 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 02:26.10 | raifbot | flings poo at jsmith. |
| 03:19.47 | TuxToaster | carmony: should be the X-UA-Compatible I think |
| 03:20.00 | TuxToaster | it has a version on it like IE=edge (meaning latest) or IE=9 |
| 03:20.31 | TuxToaster | there are a couple of other things that you can use as well but that one is fairly effective as long as you have a valid doctype |
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| 04:28.16 | ninnypants | SunSparc: http://workshop.chromeexperiments.com/stars/ |
| 04:29.15 | ninnypants | cool it has info on the different stars as well |
| 04:32.38 | SunSparc | Mmmm... pretty music... |
| 04:33.08 | SunSparc | Oooh... lots of starz... they should have sent a poet... |
| 04:34.47 | SunSparc | Oh man, ninnypants this is uber cool. |
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| 15:03.00 | captbrogers | So Carmony is now head of uphpu? |
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| 15:20.51 | utahcon | all hail the new leader of geeks (bent on world domination through PHP): Justin Carmony! |
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| 16:05.17 | mgeary | friya-dayy, friya-dayy |
| 16:05.29 | captbrogers | partyin' partyin' yeah |
| 16:05.31 | TuxToaster | $lart mgeary |
| 16:05.31 | raifbot | tries to shut mgeary up. |
| 16:05.39 | mgeary | how appropriate |
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| 16:23.48 | ninnypants | SunSparc: did you see that if you click on one of the stars it gives you info on them |
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| 16:26.52 | TuxToaster | mgeary: I thought so. ;-) |
| 16:27.09 | TuxToaster | that should be an auto-lart for anyone who mentions that song. |
| 16:31.12 | captbrogers | That's okay, we'll just go Gangnam Style |
| 16:31.59 | captbrogers | Op...op...oppan Gangnam style! |
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| 16:51.06 | macnewbold | ~gangnam captbrogers |
| 16:51.40 | *** topic/#UPHPU by macnewbold -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 17:03.58 | stderr- | never for money, always for love, cover up and say good night *whistle* |
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| 17:25.50 | ezkl | Hi friends! :) |
| 17:36.42 | captbrogers | So can anyone explain when to use -> or . when referencing objects? |
| 17:37.09 | captbrogers | Or properties? I'm not exactly sure what to ask, I'm just trying to find out when to use an arrow and when to use a period |
| 17:37.46 | fungus | I thought PHP was always -> and other languages like Java, Python use . |
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| 17:42.55 | josePHPagoda | yeah |
| 17:43.07 | josePHPagoda | i've never used . in php except to cat strings and such |
| 17:43.09 | TuxToaster | yeah PHP's big issue is the . is used for concat so it'd be a huge deal to change the interpreter to handle dot syntax |
| 17:43.12 | macnewbold | correct. In PHP . is concatenate |
| 17:43.19 | macnewbold | in JS . is object though |
| 17:43.29 | TuxToaster | they may have recently started trying it but last I heard the core team was fairly vocally against it |
| 17:43.52 | captbrogers | So use -> pretty much "everytime"**+ **+ Not always, but give it a try first |
| 17:46.44 | jtsnow | arrow operator exists in other languages such as C, C++ |
| 17:47.05 | TuxToaster | $lart language differences |
| 17:47.06 | raifbot | whacks language differences with a giant beaver's tail. |
| 17:49.10 | fungus | captbrogers, there is no try. |
| 17:50.19 | fungus | TuxToaster, that concatenation operator issue is a total copout. It wouldn't be hard to use the . for both concat and Objects. |
| 17:50.43 | fungus | when used as concat it's surrounded by spaces, when used as object it's not. very simple. |
| 17:52.33 | fungus | oh nvm, brainfart. Spaces are optional. |
| 17:54.12 | TuxToaster | exactly |
| 17:54.21 | TuxToaster | if they make spaces not optional, then yes, easy |
| 17:54.27 | TuxToaster | but that breaks a LOT of existing code |
| 17:55.05 | TuxToaster | if they wanted to they could probably make it a configurable option but stuff like that is often not an easy change to convince either side (core devs or the people with legacy code |
| 17:58.55 | fungus | well I agree with them for once. Don't screw with something that works. Though I do disagree with them for their initial implementation. What's wrong with overloading + to do concatenation as well. grr. |
| 17:59.10 | herlo | anyone have any experience with configuring openvpn clients to add an additional connection to the tunnel? |
| 18:04.00 | TuxToaster | ~ST2++ |
| 18:04.11 | captbrogers | What about sublime text 2? |
| 18:04.13 | TuxToaster | fungus: agreed. |
| 18:04.30 | TuxToaster | captbrogers: it rocks |
| 18:04.51 | TuxToaster | though that particular ++ was for the awesome find in files results page |
| 18:04.54 | SunSparc | vim |
| 18:05.05 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:05.10 | captbrogers | I agree, I am using it now |
| 18:05.16 | captbrogers | First IDE I've purchased |
| 18:06.17 | TuxToaster | I think part of the reason it's so great is because it seems that the initial goal was to build on what people like about VIM |
| 18:06.32 | TuxToaster | stupid shift key. vi//m |
| 18:06.33 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:06.50 | TuxToaster | never understood why there was a difference between those two anyways |
| 18:08.21 | fungus | vi is the old original editor. Then someone added tons of awesome improvements and called it vim |
| 18:09.09 | TuxToaster | yeah I know, it just seems that in the spirit of open source those improvements could have went towards making vi better, or if that wasn't well liked call it something else to avoid confusing people |
| 18:11.38 | fungus | They did call it something else. They called it vim |
| 18:12.35 | TuxToaster | ~lart fungus |
| 18:12.35 | ibot | eats fungus and falls over dead |
| 18:12.57 | fungus | haha |
| 18:13.21 | TuxToaster | many variations of fungi are... |
| 18:14.06 | fungus | The problem is not in the naming, but in the users conflating the two as the same thing. |
| 18:14.30 | TuxToaster | but apparently there is a breed that grows on network hardware and is poisonous to IRC bots |
| 18:14.36 | fungus | They are certainly similar, but not the same. |
| 18:14.59 | TuxToaster | I know. but naming it differently would have helped, at least. |
| 18:15.33 | fungus | I doubt it. Even if they called it Miv it would still get confused. |
| 18:15.49 | fungus | Because they are similar |
| 18:15.57 | macnewbold | fungus: in php, due to type juggling, you may have odd results overloading + to be concat - right now you can do + on a number and a numeric string, or two numeric strings, and get the addition result. that would probably get confusing if "2" + "2" became "22" instead of 4 |
| 18:16.36 | TuxToaster | macnewbold: so, basically, you're saying if they allowed + PHP would == wat? |
| 18:16.53 | macnewbold | yeah, php would get a lot more wat if they did that, imho |
| 18:17.29 | TuxToaster | now I need to listen to that screencast again |
| 18:17.55 | fungus | macnewbold, You are right. And that's also aggravating. The confusing type juggling rules. |
| 18:17.58 | fungus | ~python++ |
| 18:18.09 | TuxToaster | ~kingcobra++ |
| 18:18.11 | TuxToaster | wait. |
| 18:18.11 | macnewbold | TuxToaster: lunch and learn today from the front end |
| 18:18.16 | macnewbold | we can play the wat talk before/after |
| 18:18.29 | macnewbold | ~snakes-- |
| 18:18.45 | fungus | ~snakes on a plane-- |
| 18:19.17 | macnewbold | ~planes++ |
| 18:19.21 | TuxToaster | ~mushroom++ |
| 18:19.29 | fungus | lol |
| 18:19.51 | TuxToaster | ibot: shoosh it |
| 18:19.54 | TuxToaster | "Someone already said that 1 seconds ago" |
| 18:20.38 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: what plugins do you use with ST2? |
| 18:22.25 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: ZenCoding, Terminal, SFTP+SVN, SublimeLinter, SublimeCodeIntel, Stack Overflow search, GoTo Documentation |
| 18:22.37 | mgeary | oh yeah, apropos |
| 18:23.05 | TuxToaster | plus a few things for working with .NET, MSBuild, CompleteSharp |
| 18:23.23 | mgeary | ah. no, never mind. S2, not ST2. ah well |
| 18:24.12 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: you should try DocBlockr and sublime-github |
| 18:24.48 | TuxToaster | nice |
| 18:24.51 | TuxToaster | added |
| 18:24.53 | ninnypants | docblockr auto generates php docblocks for you pulling in variable names and types automatically and sublime-github let's you do a bunch with gists |
| 18:25.27 | TuxToaster | one of the best things with ST2 is I've got a full screen Windows VM running it side by side with my OSX version, and they look and act almost identically |
| 18:25.46 | TuxToaster | so it feels like I'm just running two windows of it on OS X |
| 18:26.26 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: actually the one you want for doc blocks is PHPDoc it's the one that auto fills the values |
| 18:26.51 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: yeah it's great I really like that for the most part you can run the same plugins on both |
| 18:29.11 | TuxToaster | yup yup |
| 18:30.54 | TuxToaster | so how do you create a gist? |
| 18:31.35 | TuxToaster | aha, I see it now |
| 18:31.43 | TuxToaster | cmd-G, cmd-N |
| 18:31.45 | TuxToaster | nice |
| 18:32.44 | ninnypants | yeah and it auto copies the url into your clipboard |
| 18:32.54 | ninnypants | you can update gists as well |
| 18:33.21 | ninnypants | and you can browse your gists for use after you've set up an access key |
| 18:33.47 | ninnypants | https://github.com/bgreenlee/sublime-github/blob/master/README.md |
| 18:34.35 | TuxToaster | yup yup, very slick |
| 18:34.37 | TuxToaster | ~ninnypants++ |
| 18:35.27 | ninnypants | I love it for when I'm doing support it #wordpress |
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| 18:41.32 | mindjuju | all hail grand poobah carmony! |
| 18:42.26 | mindjuju | ~give everybody a rubba sea-gar (cigar) {the kind with the exploding tip} |
| 18:42.26 | ibot | ACTION gives a rubba sea-gar (cigar) {the kind with the exploding tip} to everybody |
| 18:50.38 | UtahDave | :) |
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| 19:19.55 | skinner | "Tuesday is coming, did you bring your jacket?" |
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| 19:29.30 | romanovic | I'm jacketless. |
| 19:50.52 | mahelious | y'alls attendance of turntable is saddening. i have been made sad by the emptiness |
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| 20:06.04 | ezkl | ruh oh |
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| 21:14.59 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 21:14.59 | ibot | executes killall -TERM uxp_ |
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| 21:18.41 | SunSparc | ~friday mahelious |
| 21:18.41 | ibot | ACTION locks mahelious in Friday forever, Groundhog's Day style |
| 21:20.20 | mahelious | Don't you put that evil on me, Sunsparc! |
| 21:20.43 | SunSparc | ~liberate mahelious |
| 21:23.48 | TuxToaster | $lart SunSparc |
| 21:23.48 | raifbot | puts SunSparc into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of SunSparc's hair off. |
| 21:24.16 | SunSparc | ~hair TuxToaster |
| 21:24.29 | SunSparc | Hrmm.. |
| 21:25.15 | supernovia | mindjuju: you around? |
| 21:26.23 | SunSparc | ~fetch mindjuju |
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| 22:11.38 | mindjuju | heya supernovia, i'm off and on at my desk until about 530p today, you can post qq to PM |
| 22:12.58 | supernovia | thanks ;) I'm just going AFK too actually |
| 22:13.28 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 22:13.28 | raifbot | hits Benni_Hanna with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha. |
| 22:14.41 | Benni_Hanna | dang |
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| 22:28.38 | herlo | mgeary: ping |
| 22:28.48 | mgeary | hey |
| 22:29.05 | herlo | so, you up for skiing tomorrow morning at Alta? |
| 22:29.16 | herlo | if not, it's all good. I think we're going to head up from 9-1 |
| 22:31.34 | herlo | mgeary: ^^ |
| 22:32.20 | mgeary | herlo: not sure. i'd love to go, but my wife hasn't been feeling well, and while she doesn't want to go skiing anyways, i think leaving her home to not feel well, while the kids and i go have fun will probably not generate good karma |
| 22:33.00 | herlo | mgeary: it's your call. I think I'm going to take Wednesday off next week and go then as well. |
| 22:33.12 | herlo | and we'll go Friday too, likely. |
| 22:39.19 | mgeary | i am trying to make so i can take Wednesday off, so that should be a GO |
| 22:39.30 | herlo | cool, let's plan for that then |
| 22:39.33 | mgeary | anything else will be up in the air |
| 22:40.17 | herlo | k, we're probably going to do a half day tomorrow, a full day sunday and probably go Wednesday. And plan on Friday and hopefully Sunday after thanksgiving too |
| 22:40.47 | mgeary | whew |
| 22:40.48 | herlo | so if that helps you plan anything |
| 22:41.03 | herlo | well, I get him for two weeks now and probably 3 weeks in Dec/January |
| 22:41.14 | mgeary | sure |
| 22:41.20 | mgeary | gotta make it count |
| 22:41.21 | herlo | then I'll probably go in Feb/March too |
| 22:43.00 | *** join/#uphpu supernovia (~Adium@208.64.91.46.static.utbb.net) |
| 23:16.55 | *** part/#uphpu skinner (~David@173-14-230-129-Utah.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 23:16.58 | SunSparc | ~ski herlo |
| 23:29.19 | herlo | :) |
| 23:33.24 | SunSparc | Though, given the option, I would rather surf. :) |
| 23:37.25 | ezkl | oh herlo everyone |
| 23:41.52 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 23:41.54 | raifbot | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, TuxToaster, this won't hurt a bit....". |
| 23:42.00 | TuxToaster | aack |
| 23:42.06 | TuxToaster | ~lart raifbot |
| 23:42.06 | ibot | does a little 'dpkg -P raifbot' action |
| 23:42.21 | TuxToaster | $8ball did that get rid of you? |
| 23:42.22 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Without a doubt. |
| 23:42.32 | TuxToaster | $8ball then why are you still here? |
| 23:42.33 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Better not tell you now. |
| 23:42.37 | TuxToaster | ... |
| 23:44.04 | herlo | ezkl: haha |