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15:02.13ezklHi friends.
15:02.47mindjujuwell..., i wouldn't go that far
15:02.49mindjuju;)
15:03.39ezklGood morning acquaintances. :)
15:05.44jsmithMorning...
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15:18.27SunSparclol
15:18.36SunSparcezkl: We can be friends.
15:18.55SunSparcAnd I am sure mindjuju will be your friend too.
15:19.15SunSparcIf you give him cookies.
15:20.05ezkllol morning SunSparc
15:21.06SunSparc~morning ezkl
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15:51.54*** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org | November 15: Steve Meyer fridgesm on Responsive Design | Happy 65th birthday Herlo!!
15:52.42mindjujuhappy bday herlo!
15:54.07herlo\o/
15:54.39ezklWoot!  Happy birthday.
15:54.42mindjujuit's 65, right?
15:54.44mindjuju66?
15:55.42TuxToasterpsh, mindjuju, you should know it's *always* 39
15:55.56TuxToasterevery. year. :P
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15:56.26mindjujuoh is that all?
15:56.44mindjujunah, i think he's at least 60
15:57.54SunSparc:)
15:58.28jsmithI thought he was turning 50
15:59.02herlonope, you are all wrong
15:59.13herlo71 years old
15:59.27herloI just look 31 years younger
15:59.33TuxToasterlol
16:00.57mindjujuso are you doing anything fun or exciting today herlo?
16:01.11*** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org | November 15: Steve Meyer fridgesm on Responsive Design | Happy 40th Herlo!!
16:01.20mgearywoah, big day, herlo
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16:01.23herlomindjuju: yep, I'm getting a paycheck and going out and blowing it on BOOZE and WOMEN!
16:01.43mindjujuhilarious!
16:01.52herlomgeary: thanks, I am old now.
16:01.57herlo:P
16:02.07mgearyherlo: well, then i'm two years older than old
16:02.11herlomindjuju: truth be told, I'm not much of a partier.
16:02.35herlomgeary: it's why we're friends. The ancients like to stick together to teach these fine young folk... :)
16:02.47mgearyyes, pass on our sagacious insights
16:02.50mgearybut we should celebrate being old on the slopes!
16:02.55herlomgeary: indeed.
16:03.22mgearywe could do Friday, or maybe i can sneak away from work on Wednesday, since the kids don't have school then
16:03.31mgearyof course, no school does mean busier slopes...
16:03.34herloooh, Wednesday would be awesome.
16:03.48herlomgeary: sure, any day you want to go, I'm game.
16:04.16mgearywow. nice
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16:05.55herloyeah, so he's getting a utah student pass for $229/year. I'm spending a bit more $245 for my card and first discounted ticket. But it should be well worth it in both cases.
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16:07.50mgearywait
16:08.01mgearyherlo: you got a season pass to Alta for less than $500?
16:08.17herlomgeary: mine isn't a season pass
16:08.21mgearyoh
16:08.24mgearywas gonna say
16:08.39herloit's a discount card. You pay $200 up front, then get $25 off every lift ticket throughout the season
16:08.50herloso if I go at least 8 times, I break even, more and I save money :)
16:08.59mgearyright on
16:09.01herloand it's still cheaper than a season pass
16:09.21TuxToasterhow much is a ticket normally?
16:09.28herlo$75/day
16:09.50herloif you get the alta card, it's $70 and if you buy a gold card (what I'm getting), it's $45/day
16:10.10herloso I guess it's actually $30 off
16:10.30TuxToasterah, so seems the season pass would be cheaper if you went at least 12 times
16:10.44herloTuxToaster: yeah, I'm probably in the 10 range
16:10.45mgearywhich is a lot, unless you're able to go during the week
16:10.48TuxToasteryup
16:10.56herlobut I can't guarantee I'll go 12 times
16:11.00TuxToasteror *every* weekend for 4 months
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16:11.06mgearyesp. where you're looking at a 40+ minute drive to get there
16:11.10TuxToasteryup yup
16:11.27herloif I do, I'm still saving money, but just not as much as getting a season pass. Plus the cost is spread out this way.
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16:11.37mgearywe did end up getting Sundance season passes, but i can be on the snow in 20 minutes there from my house, so i tell myself we'll be able to go for just an hour or two on weekday afternoons
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16:13.06herloTuxToaster: so it's closer to 17 times, not 12. Because you'd be a fool to not get the alta card and keep it, which gives you $5 off every visit anyway. That card costs $5, so only the initial visit is full price.
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16:13.40herlomgeary: I hope you do that, Alta is free after 3 for gold card holders, so I'm planning on that...
16:14.10mgearynice. It would be much better if they'd stay open just a bit later, though
16:14.16TuxToasterinsane
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16:15.33herlomgeary: they're open until 4:30
16:15.38mgearyyeah
16:15.44herlonight skiing?
16:15.52mgearywell, or even like until 5:30
16:15.59mgearyso you can get a solid ~2 hours in
16:16.01mgearyi dunno
16:16.09ezkl^^^
16:16.10herlooh, the after 3 part?
16:16.14mgearyyeah
16:16.41herlowell, you can come at 2:30 or so, then play on the tow ropes for 25 minutes and ride up at 2:59 :)
16:16.46ezkldo they still have the x96 freeloader 2 for 1
16:16.49ezklon fridays
16:16.57herloezkl: dunno, they did last year
16:17.09herloI think they did it on sunday, too
16:24.15ezklsweet!  I hope they have it again this year.
16:27.05herloezkl: yeah, that's a nice thing, but brighton is a bit small when you are looking for groomed runs.
16:28.07herlothey turned a lot of the park into snowboard heavin, which isn't a bad thing. I go skiing to enjoy the outdoors and scenery as much as for the speed and thrills. My thrills are a bit less intense these days, is all. :)
16:30.51mgearyamen
16:30.59mgearybut there are still parts of Brighton i haven't discovered
16:31.15mgearynever been to the far "left" of the park, and i've only been to the far "right" once
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16:42.22ezklIE is going to cause me to drink today
16:43.07SunSparc~lart IE
16:43.07ibotexplains, ever so gently, that if IE doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help
16:43.24SunSparcibot: that is just not good enough
16:43.24ibotI think you lost me on that one, SunSparc
16:43.37SunSparcI know, let's try again.
16:43.41SunSparc~lart IE
16:43.41ibotwhacks IE upside the head
16:43.50SunSparcSlightly better.
16:43.57SunSparc~karma IE
16:43.57ibotie has karma of -666
16:44.03SunSparcGood.
16:44.19ezklSounds about right.
16:44.43mindjujui don't think -666 means what you think it means
16:44.57mindjuju666 == sign of beast
16:45.15mindjuju-666 opposite?  1/666 opposite ?  i'm not sure
16:45.37josephscott$rlart
16:45.38raifbotthrows utahcon's poor little doggy off a cliff.
16:49.37herlomgeary: oh, I think you'd love snake creek. It's kind of like supreme at Alta.
16:50.13mindjujuhmm, i guess the Belize police installed McAfeee antivirus and are now mad?? - http://apnews.myway.com/article/20121115/DA2I76HG0.html
16:51.03mindjujuwow, that's a heck of a quote : Barrow also expressed doubts about McAfee's mental state: "I don't want to be unkind to the gentleman, but I believe he is extremely paranoid, even bonkers."
16:52.02ezkllol
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16:55.17itimberhappy birthday, herlo
16:55.28herloitimber: ty!
16:56.28TuxToastermindjuju: heh, yeah, supposedly he and the neighbor have had rows a few times
16:56.47TuxToastermakes me glad I didn't run into the guy while I was there
16:56.49fungusmindjuju, he's also a big time drug user.  http://gizmodo.com/5959812/john-mcafee-wanted-for-murder
16:56.55mindjujuoh
16:57.01mindjujuso it wasn't about that crappy software?
16:57.11mindjuju;)
16:59.11TuxToasterhah
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17:05.52ninnypants$rlart
17:05.53raifbotpours hot grits down the front of clintberry's pants.
17:06.36mgearyherlo: i do love snake creek. It's my favorite run at Brighton
17:06.47mgearyherlo: i just haven't been on the far one. Great Western?
17:06.50herlomgeary: then you've gone as far left as you can
17:06.56mgearyno
17:06.58herloGreat Western is shorter
17:07.00mgearythere's that one clear up there
17:07.11herlomaybe I have them backward
17:07.49mgearyyeah. Great Western
17:07.55mgearyand i've only been on Milly once
17:08.22mgearyMilly was good, because it's really fast, but at the time, it really tested my limits getting down
17:08.27mgearyi think i'd do much better now
17:09.22mgearybut Great Western is almost all blacks, so it has less appeal
17:12.26herlomgeary: yeah, I like Milly
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17:40.59clondonAnybody have experience with request method OPTIONS?
17:43.22jsmithclondon: Too much experience -- why?
17:43.45jsmithclondon: (In the SIP protocol, OPTIONS is used to ask "Hey, if I *were* going to make a request, which options would you support")
17:44.01jsmithclondon: I'm guessing that you're asking about the HTTP request method OPTIONS, but I'll bet its very similar
17:53.49clondonYeah we're trying to do CORS and the IIS7 server we're talking to for our API's just 404s on OPTIONS requests
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18:06.38mindjujuso i need to do some work where i reference a dev site in one browser and a production site in a diff browser, i was thinking of using FF for dev and chrome for prod and I was thinking of running this thorugh a socks5 proxy
18:06.48mindjujuwhat yall think?
18:07.16ezkllol jslint has a Tolerate... stupidity.  YES!
18:09.14mindjujuany ideas?  am i taking the long road for a simple fix?
18:11.33unumwhat's the purpose of the proxf?
18:11.36fungusmindjuju, why do you need a socks proxy?  
18:11.52penohe likes to abuse himself.
18:12.13fungusalso, most browsers have a private/incognito mode that isolates them from existing cookies and such.  Might work.
18:12.56mindjujuso fungus, i want FF to go to example.com 123.456.789.123 and i want chrome to go to example.com 222.111.222.111
18:13.00mindjujupeno ^
18:13.19peno+1 for incognito mode
18:13.41unumyou need the domain names to be identical for the testing to work?
18:13.48unumyou could use foxy proxy
18:13.59unumthough it may not be less work
18:14.04mindjujuyup, i need to domains to be identical for this to work
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18:14.36penoI'd look at incognito mode first
18:14.38unumsynergy, xforwarding, and virtualization all come to mind
18:14.49unumbut the proxy is probably easier
18:15.08mindjujui'm in incognito in chrome, but i thought that just blocked cookies and browser history
18:15.13unumI'd probably just use foxy proxy depending on how much switching back and forth needs to be done
18:15.24mindjujui was looking at foxyproxy
18:15.58unumit makes it so you just right click next to the url bar and select the proxy
18:16.07unumas well as all the reg ex stuff
18:16.14unumthe reg ex stuff won't help you here
18:16.21ninnypantsmindjuju: I think they're suggesting using incognito and normal mode at the same time which will allow you to have two sessions to the same site open in just chrome
18:16.41unumand the setting is for all tabs
18:16.48unumbut you just right click and switch
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18:18.01mindjujuninnypants, it isn't really 2 separate sessions that i need though
18:18.24mindjujuit's 1 session to one server, 1 session to a completely different server (that just happen to have the same domain name)
18:21.14unumyou might be able to do something with port numbers
18:36.27unumyou could set the host to resolve to 127.0.0.1 and use iptables to forward to the relevant hosts, but that probably more work than the proxy and then you have the port numbers which may cause issues(though you could 80 and 443)
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19:38.49mindjujusometimes the Orem PD say funnythings
19:38.57mindjuju-Officer Black stopped a Highland man and got his weed.
19:39.21SunSparc:)
19:41.06TuxToasterproof that I'm a nerd, I got a new desk lamp: http://cl.ly/image/0k1Q02453m0B
19:44.03macnewbold~sing herlo
19:49.25ezklNice Tux :)
19:49.48ezklEven caught the corner of your IDE
19:53.16TuxToasterwhoops
19:53.39mindjujuyeah, i saw the DB password in your code
19:53.47TuxToasterLOL nice try
19:53.52mindjujuheh
19:53.54mindjuju;)
19:57.56mindjujuah the good ole days when things were simple - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq0ApY0ooXM
19:57.57jsmith~sing herlo
19:57.57ibotACTION sings off-key at herlo
19:57.58mindjujufor TuxToaster
19:58.12mindjujuthat's the arcade where the little guy would dance
19:58.18mindjujumy fav
19:58.37mindjuju~lart jsmith
19:58.37ibottakes out a cattle prod and gives jsmith a good jolt
19:58.44TuxToasterhaven't seen that version in a while
19:58.55mindjujuyup
19:59.15jsmith~cluebyfour mindjuju
19:59.16ibotACTION beats mindjuju upside the head with a clue-by-four until he gets a clue
20:00.05mindjuju~nosepick jsmith
20:00.05ibotACTION plucks jsmith out of the nose of humanity and flicks him out the window!
20:00.57jsmith~whaleslap mindjuju
20:00.58ibotACTION beats mindjuju upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh
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20:01.42mindjuju$8ball does jsmith live the phat life?
20:01.43raifbotmindjuju - It is decidedly so.
20:01.49mindjujuyeah, i figured
20:02.03jsmithWell, I do live in Virginia :-)
20:02.17jsmithand I do have a Popeye's Chicken just down the road
20:02.24mindjujuah dag
20:02.28jsmithand I do get paid to help open source
20:02.31fungusTuxToaster, that lamp is awesome.  Gotta linK?
20:02.34jsmithNeed I say more?
20:02.40fungusI want I want
20:02.52mindjujui'll have you know i have an insider at the city planning and i know a popeyes is coming to Lehi
20:05.17TuxToasterfungus: one sec
20:05.24TuxToasterhttps://www.thinkgeek.com/product/f034/
20:05.37TuxToasterit's around other places like Amazon but $10-$20 more
20:05.58fungusonly $40.  Nice.  Click!
20:06.11ezklWe have a pop eyes too.  It just is up at hill airforce base.
20:06.28TuxToasterI also picked up http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/e89b/
20:06.49fungusthat looks dirty.
20:06.51TuxToasterended up being $5 with a $10 off of a $50 order
20:06.58TuxToasterdirty?
20:07.03TuxToasteroh
20:07.03funguslike something you'd find at Blue Boutique
20:07.04TuxToasterlol
20:07.11ezkllol
20:07.35TuxToasterI am tempted to hack it to run off of USB or an adapter though, it's battery only
20:08.20ezklgimme http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/f141/?pfm=homepage_Featured_9_f141
20:08.39TuxToasterhaha nice
20:12.25SunSparc:)
20:14.32SunSparcI have not seen anything like that at the Blue Boutique.
20:15.16TuxToasterSunSparc: TMI. lol
20:15.31SunSparchaha
20:15.55fungusSunSparc, then you haven't looked very hard.  Or haven't been to their back room.  :)
20:16.21SunSparcOhhh, they have a back room.  Yep, did not go back there.
20:16.52fungushehe, yup.  Have your ID ready before you go.  :P
20:17.03SunSparclol
20:19.46TuxToastermoving right along
20:20.00TuxToasterhow about them Yankees? :P
20:20.05ezklSquirrel!
20:20.09TuxToasteroh, wait... this is a room full of nerds
20:20.19SunSparcHow about all that carbon dioxide on Mars?
20:20.25TuxToasterso, should I use MySQL or Postgres? Go!
20:20.31jsmithPostgres
20:20.32TuxToasteror that
20:20.39SunSparcTuxToaster: Excel
20:20.40ezklMongoDB
20:20.43jsmithThat was easy :-)
20:20.51TuxToasterSunSparc: LOL
20:21.10TuxToasterI guess I'll have to upgrade from my EDIFACT-encoded text file first.
20:21.11SunSparcI want to go plant a tree on Mars and see how it does.
20:21.22SunSparcTuxToaster: lol
20:22.12SunSparcWith plent of CO2 and less gravity it should grow pretty tall.  Just need to plant it over some of that ice water.
20:22.36TuxToasterlol
20:22.50SunSparcAre there any extreme cold resistant varieties of tree?
20:22.54TuxToasterhaven't you watched WALL-E?
20:23.02TuxToasteryou just need to bury it in an old refrigerator
20:23.10SunSparcRight :)
20:23.14TuxToasterin a shoe
20:23.32TuxToasterand then find an EVE to take it to the captain
20:23.50SunSparcGood flick.
20:24.06TuxToasterI'd love a robot around like Eve. though I'd probably disable that gun of her's first, just in case.
20:24.16ninnypantsGoogle made a open source book scanner http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/13/3639016/google-books-scanner-vacuum-diy
20:24.22TuxToasterit's bad enough when my cat sees something move and chases it (or runs away from it)
20:24.30TuxToasterI really don't need a crater in my living room
20:25.00SunSparcDo you have craters in other rooms in your pad?
20:25.10TuxToasterluckily no
20:25.23TuxToasterbut if I had an Eve and she saw something move behind her, I might.
20:25.24SunSparcLuckily.  :)
20:32.15SunSparcResearch for greenhouses on the Moon and Mars: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/25feb_greenhouses/
20:40.27mgearyanyone here ever tried to optimize html for an Asus Nexus 7?
20:40.47mgearyafter making HTML work on an iPad, the Nexus is awful
20:41.40SunSparcI have not yet had that pleasure.  ;)
20:42.57jsmithmgeary: It's just Chrome... how hard can it be?
20:43.32mgearyjsmith: it *says* the resolution is 1280x800 (or such), which is actually higher than the iPad, but when you compare, it does funky things
20:43.53jsmithmgeary: Are you using something like JQuery Mobile?
20:43.59mgearyno
20:44.54utahconmgeary: What kind of problems are you having?
20:44.54mgearythe Nexus appears to do some really funky things
20:47.14utahconmgeary: isn't the Nexus 800x1280 unless in landscape, which is then the inverse
20:47.46mgearyyes, but it's not really the resolution… it's the layout
20:48.15utahconare you trying to find the resolution of the actual page on the Nexus?
20:48.25utahconnot including the chrome etc?
20:48.46TuxToaster~responsive design++
20:49.59TuxToasterquestion is, can you size Chrome on your desktop to around 800x1280 and see what it does?
20:50.20mgearyyep. and it looks great
20:50.25mgearynothing like the Nexus
20:50.27TuxToastershould give similar results unless the page is actively sniffing for mobile devices and making changes
20:50.59mgearyfor example, there's a logo at the top of the page that is being rendered at nearly 2x
20:51.11TuxToasterok, so second question, what browser on the Nexus? We've seen issues with the built in browsers on some devices (like Samsungs) that are just crappy compared to Chrome or Dolphin
20:51.17mgearyChrome
20:51.21TuxToasterweird
20:51.27mgearyvery
20:51.46TuxToastermakes me wish I had my Nook with me to test
20:52.09DexterTheDragonmgeary: https://developers.google.com/chrome/mobile/docs/debugging
20:52.46mgearyDexterTheDragon: cool
20:52.54mgearydidn't know about that. that will surely help
20:52.56mgearya ton
20:53.26TuxToasteryup yup
20:53.34TuxToasterway helpful
20:54.16TuxToasterI've used that on Safari a few times
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21:11.23herlojsmith: you are so kind! such an awesomely off-tune song :)
21:11.35ezklturntable?
21:12.04jsmithherlo: Only the best for you, my friend... only the best
21:12.15herlo:D
21:12.27herloezkl: no, jsmith sang to me earlier
21:13.06jsmith~sing herlo
21:13.06ibotACTION sings off-key at herlo
21:13.18jsmithherlo: I didn't sing -- ibot did.
21:13.24herlojsmith: sure
21:13.29herloyou joined her, I'm sure
21:13.49jsmith"Happy Birthday .... dear old guy.... Happy Birthday to you...."
21:14.02herlojsmith: one day you will be old, too :)
21:14.14jsmithherlo: I already am, but thanks for reminding me :-)
21:14.33herlojsmith: you've hit the big 40?
21:14.37jsmithherlo: Besides, it's not the age, it's the mileage
21:14.52jsmithherlo: No, that's *really* old :-p
21:14.52herlowell, a few years, anyway
21:15.09herlojsmith: and keep that thought, when you are *really* old
21:16.12ezklPassion Pit is djing right now on turntable http://turntable.fm/passionpit/1
21:23.07herloezkl: you should join #uphpu on turntable
21:23.16ezklokay
21:23.35herlowe need more djs!
21:24.47mahelioushttp://gizmodo.com/5960290/this-is-the-real-political-map-of-america-hint-we-are-not-that-divided
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21:32.56utahconwhen did TT get an update?
21:32.58ezklI am there now. :)
21:33.02ezklyesterday
21:34.03utahconfrom what I can see it is all asthetic though...
21:34.18utahconaesthetic*
21:35.01ezklThey are still in beta so I'm sure they will change the look more.
21:35.02herloutahcon: I never saw the old tt
21:35.14utahconit was... less exciting...
21:35.15utahconI guess
21:35.16utahconlol
21:35.27maheliousi havent noticed any major redesign, just a new backdrop and shifting element around.
21:35.43ezklif everyone in the room hits the awesome button the speakers in the background show up
21:38.03maheliousutahcon: please to hit the like button in TT
21:40.04ezklHey if any of you are looking for christmas card ideas I found a good one.  https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/402089_10150623978038362_369480372_n.jpg
21:40.39SunSparclol
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21:56.11TuxToasterwow
21:56.36herlolol @ ezkl
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22:09.44Bikerdanjsmith: ping
22:10.52mahelioushttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcJFdCmN98s
22:11.47ezklevery rose has its thorn....
22:12.28herloezkl: lub it!
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22:36.43ezklIs it 5pm yet?
22:37.00mindjujuhumblebundle added 5 new games
22:46.07ezklhttp://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/filestorage/twilight-breaking-dawn-gratitude-robert-pattinson-thanksgiving-ecards-someecards.png lol
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23:13.36mindjujusomedays i think my padawan only has two speeds: slow and slower
23:15.42ezkl^^^
23:16.13TuxToasterlol
23:19.00beandogyou have a padawan?
23:19.24herlothat's what mindjuju calls his slaves :)
23:34.12josephscottfor the bitcoin fans in the room: http://en.blog.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/pay-another-way-bitcoin/
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23:43.33supernoviathe crowd goes wild! :)
23:44.20ninnypantsmindjuju: I do like the new design on this site http://rollingjubilee.org/ It was really bad when I last saw it
23:57.41ezklsee yea! :)

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