| 00:00.01 | stderr- | Benni_Hanna: I am now, got tired of typing stuff out. |
| 00:00.16 | Benni_Hanna | typing or copy/paste? |
| 00:00.22 | josephscott | so much for the PG(13?) nature of the channel |
| 00:00.32 | stderr- | I am copying and pasting because the url wasn't family safe |
| 00:00.33 | Benni_Hanna | sorry it was in the url |
| 00:00.45 | josephscott | ah, they have a PG version: http://whattheheckhasobamadonesofar.com/ |
| 00:00.46 | mahelious | the real question is not which president is better for the country, its which one can do the least harm |
| 00:01.04 | Benni_Hanna | josephscott: hahahaha |
| 00:01.29 | mahelious | the answer is the opposite party of whoever is in majority of congress. thats the only meat i care about, everything else is salt and rendered lard. |
| 00:01.32 | mindjuju | heh |
| 00:01.35 | stderr- | Look, as a vet who volunteers at the VA to counsel other sufferers of PTSD, I would vote _solely_ on Obama because of his foreign policy. |
| 00:01.44 | stderr- | So there's that. |
| 00:02.19 | Benni_Hanna | ok I understand that |
| 00:02.19 | stderr- | And if you want to argue foreign policy with me, you can step up to THAT plate, but I suggest you ask around first. |
| 00:02.34 | stderr- | But first I have to pick up my daughters from their grandmother's. See you guys in a little bit. |
| 00:02.49 | Benni_Hanna | no one here is arguing that PTSD needs to be addressed. And thank you for your service |
| 00:03.27 | Bikerdan | So are these all things that Romney wouldn't have done? |
| 00:03.36 | SunSparc | Future PTSD could be prevented by keep our troops on our own soil. |
| 00:03.43 | Bikerdan | Cause I feel like Obama is an economic idiot. |
| 00:03.49 | Benni_Hanna | the gay marriage/ equality stuff prob not heh |
| 00:03.54 | mindjuju | SunSparc, i'm not sure that's right |
| 00:04.03 | fungus | Benni_Hanna, what is the "heh" for?!!?! |
| 00:04.26 | Benni_Hanna | cuz he's mormon… so its kind of a gimmy |
| 00:04.34 | mindjuju | i don't mean about the PTSD, but i mean, if we abstract ourselves from war, then i think we'll be less cautious and dipolomacy will not seem as critical |
| 00:04.43 | Benni_Hanna | I doubt he'd ever vote for pro-gay stuff even if he wanted to |
| 00:04.53 | Bikerdan | Can anyone tell me what is so good about Obamas foreign policy? |
| 00:04.56 | fungus | I understand that, but your addition of "heh" implies you think it's a joke. |
| 00:06.06 | mahelious | im guessing it has to do with him actually capturing bin Laden, as opposed to dicking around like Clinton and Bush. |
| 00:06.18 | Bikerdan | You mean the military capturing bin laden? |
| 00:06.22 | SunSparc | mindjuju: you think we should be in a war somewhere? |
| 00:06.30 | Benni_Hanna | isn't it? not that gay rights are a joke but good luck getting Romney to sign off on it |
| 00:06.34 | Bikerdan | Obama didn't do anything special. Did he? |
| 00:06.52 | Benni_Hanna | he said yes for the seals to go in and do his dirty work |
| 00:06.53 | SunSparc | Bikerdan: He will tell you he did. :) |
| 00:06.54 | unum | Bikerdan: he's more balanced in his approach, less dependent on race for his decisions |
| 00:06.55 | mahelious | read the reports. the Bush's and the BinLadens go way back. |
| 00:07.06 | Benni_Hanna | lol |
| 00:07.20 | unum | Bikerdan: he's also less of a bully |
| 00:07.48 | Benni_Hanna | I personally feel like Obama isn't much of a Patriot |
| 00:07.49 | unum | I haven't read about the US ambassador showing up in a latin american congress to tell them they need to buy microsoft software since he took over |
| 00:07.54 | Bikerdan | How does that help against people that hate us no matter what we do? |
| 00:07.58 | mahelious | Clinton could have had him taken out at least once after the embassy bombings, and decided to let him go. |
| 00:08.00 | unum | Benni_Hanna: jingoist or patriot? |
| 00:08.14 | unum | Bikerdan: I don't think there are near as many as those as you do |
| 00:08.24 | mahelious | well, im out. have fun watching the tubes! :) |
| 00:08.27 | unum | most people that hate us, hate us for VERY VERY GOOD reasons |
| 00:08.27 | mindjuju | oh sorry SunSparc, for some reason i saw the word drone in your statement, it's not, i was thinking you were saying that we should use drones for war and keep soliders here |
| 00:08.48 | Bikerdan | Because of their religious beliefs? |
| 00:09.02 | mindjuju | because of disinformation from their government ? |
| 00:09.03 | SunSparc | mindjuju: lol, sounds like Ender's Game. |
| 00:09.10 | Benni_Hanna | I proudly believe we are the best country in the world |
| 00:09.10 | mindjuju | (aka China) |
| 00:09.19 | Benni_Hanna | and I don't think Obama is proud of that |
| 00:09.21 | mindjuju | SunSparc, i've got to read that book |
| 00:09.22 | unum | Bikerdan: no it has a lot less to do with that than you think |
| 00:09.26 | mindjuju | heard good things |
| 00:09.27 | SunSparc | Benni_Hanna: Best at what? |
| 00:09.29 | Bikerdan | How do you know that? |
| 00:09.36 | SunSparc | mindjuju: indeed |
| 00:09.39 | unum | research I've read |
| 00:09.50 | unum | a lot of it from scheiner so you can find it on his site |
| 00:10.02 | unum | but we've been bullies in these countries for decades |
| 00:10.17 | unum | some of it is our support of isreal |
| 00:10.31 | Bikerdan | So are we supposed to apologize and give them a couple of nukes? |
| 00:10.33 | unum | but a big part of it is the dictators that we have kept in power with in those countries |
| 00:10.46 | Bikerdan | We kept them in power? |
| 00:10.50 | unum | yes |
| 00:10.50 | Benni_Hanna | having freedom, no socialized healthcare, capitalism... |
| 00:10.51 | Bikerdan | Which ones? |
| 00:11.09 | fungus | Benni_Hanna, those are attributes of many other countries |
| 00:11.49 | Benni_Hanna | name another country that doesn't have social healthcare |
| 00:11.58 | mindjuju | wut |
| 00:12.08 | unum | saudies, the shah |
| 00:12.09 | mindjuju | it's true, i inadvertently started all this |
| 00:12.10 | mindjuju | sorry |
| 00:12.13 | Benni_Hanna | Canada does all of Europe does, Brazil does... |
| 00:12.17 | mgeary | we have social healthcare. We just only provide it to seniors |
| 00:12.31 | mgeary | and it's a remarkably efficient system, if you ask doctors |
| 00:12.44 | unum | they hate us because of our interference is their economies and politics |
| 00:12.57 | unum | not because of our first ammendment rights |
| 00:13.15 | Bikerdan | And we're allies to their enemies. |
| 00:13.18 | Bikerdan | And they hate it. |
| 00:13.29 | unum | I would like you to find one statement from one jihadist that states they hate us because we have freedom of speech |
| 00:13.33 | Benni_Hanna | yeah just like social security |
| 00:13.39 | unum | yes our support of israel is part of it |
| 00:13.44 | Bikerdan | They can't just nuke their enemies without serious consequences. |
| 00:13.53 | Bikerdan | Didn't say that. |
| 00:14.04 | unum | but not all of it |
| 00:14.04 | josephscott | mgeary: and non-seniors can use ERs |
| 00:14.27 | unum | and by support I mean giving them nuclear weapons and fighter jets, etc |
| 00:14.46 | Benni_Hanna | I'm sorry but I'm a believer that if you broke your leg and you don't have the money to fix it, that |
| 00:14.57 | Benni_Hanna | s not everyone else's fault |
| 00:15.10 | unum | not sure what that has to do with foreign policy..... |
| 00:15.23 | Benni_Hanna | there are a lot of conversations right now unum... |
| 00:15.45 | Bikerdan | Another thing that bugs the heck out of me is the fact that Obama thinks that rich people aren't paying their "fare share" of taxes. |
| 00:15.59 | mgeary | Benni_Hanna: and if your child is born with a serious, but treatable illness, and you're a starving student, that's just your tough luck, right? |
| 00:16.01 | Benni_Hanna | seriously |
| 00:16.13 | Benni_Hanna | honestly it is |
| 00:16.26 | mgeary | yeap. Greatest country on earth, that |
| 00:16.36 | *** part/#uphpu cro (~Adium@204-228-149-217.ip.xmission.com) |
| 00:16.43 | Bikerdan | I believe that we have institutions available to help with those situations. |
| 00:16.48 | Benni_Hanna | I'm not saying it doesn't suck but if that did happen to me is it your fault? |
| 00:16.49 | mgeary | what's that line? You should judge the powerful by how they treat the helpless...? |
| 00:17.44 | Bikerdan | Does anyone here actually think that taxing the rich / business owners as much as Obama wants to is a good thing? |
| 00:17.58 | unum | Bikerdan: rich people have an over all lower tax rate than the poor |
| 00:18.14 | Benni_Hanna | no they done... |
| 00:18.14 | unum | and I do think that's wrong |
| 00:18.15 | Bikerdan | Lower tax rate... but how much do they actually pay compared to the poor? |
| 00:18.19 | unum | Benni_Hanna: ya they do |
| 00:18.25 | mgeary | Bikerdan: it's the super-rich that are being targeted. that's an important distinction |
| 00:18.39 | Bikerdan | Isn't it their money? |
| 00:18.42 | unum | Bikerdan: as a percent of their income? |
| 00:18.56 | Bikerdan | No... Actually pay. |
| 00:18.58 | unum | Bikerdan: isn't the taxes taken from the poor THEIR money? |
| 00:19.05 | Bikerdan | Yeah! |
| 00:19.08 | Bikerdan | It is! |
| 00:19.21 | unum | so why should the poor have to pay a higher percentage of their income? |
| 00:19.21 | josephscott | fun with graphs http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/09/tax-cuts-dont-lead-to-economic-growth-a-new-65-year-study-finds/262438/ |
| 00:19.30 | Bikerdan | They shouldn't. |
| 00:19.34 | unum | but they do |
| 00:20.00 | Bikerdan | If I'm rich and I pay 100000 in taxes, how is that "fare" when a poor guys pays 1000. |
| 00:20.44 | josephscott | Bikerdan: it is usually cast in terms of percentage |
| 00:20.56 | Bikerdan | That's convenient. |
| 00:21.38 | josephscott | taxes are also more complex than a single number |
| 00:21.47 | unum | do you think everyone should be taxed at a rate of $50,000? |
| 00:21.56 | unum | that seems kind of ridicolous |
| 00:21.57 | josephscott | you've got marginal tax rate, regular income vs. capital gains, etc. |
| 00:22.11 | unum | payroll taxes, sales taxes, blue taxes |
| 00:22.20 | Bikerdan | That could be construed as fair too. |
| 00:22.38 | unum | property taxes, surcharge taxes, lottery taxes |
| 00:22.42 | josephscott | unum: I was trying to stick to the general realm of fed income taxes :-) |
| 00:22.54 | Bikerdan | When you come to work with a candy bar, and no one else has one, should you have to divvy it out? |
| 00:22.57 | unum | josephscott: but that doesn't represent the full taxe burden |
| 00:23.24 | mindjuju | you can tell when the emotions are running high: the spelling goes down |
| 00:23.27 | josephscott | unum: right, but that is a different issue, and makes a difficult issue to get context nearly impossible |
| 00:23.58 | Benni_Hanna | capitalism levels the playing field though… everyone has the same potential to earn a lot of money |
| 00:24.02 | josephscott | Although the statutory top marginal tax rate was over 90% in the 1950s, the average tax rate for |
| 00:24.02 | josephscott | the very rich was much lower." |
| 00:24.11 | unum | Bikerdan: if I have more stuff to protect than my neighbord why shouldn't I have to pay more money to protect it? |
| 00:24.13 | mindjuju | i don't mean to be incensitive, but may i suggest we just meet at a 5guys and hammer this out? |
| 00:24.14 | josephscott | wow, I had no idea we'd had a marginal tax rate that high |
| 00:24.25 | mindjuju | surely IRC isn't the best medium for speaking politics |
| 00:24.26 | unum | Benni_Hanna: not true |
| 00:24.31 | Bikerdan | That doesn't have anything to do with my question... |
| 00:24.54 | unum | not everyone has the same potental |
| 00:25.00 | Benni_Hanna | how not? |
| 00:25.02 | macnewbold | unum: why not? |
| 00:25.05 | Bikerdan | If you have a candy bar, you need to share it. |
| 00:25.08 | unum | do you really believe the only reason mitt romney has more money than you is because he's worked harder? |
| 00:25.09 | Bikerdan | That would be fair. |
| 00:25.12 | josephscott | interesting paper on income taxes - http://graphics8.nytimes.com/news/business/0915taxesandeconomy.pdf |
| 00:25.13 | unum | and you're lazy |
| 00:25.21 | macnewbold | unum: we're all born into different circumstances, |
| 00:25.27 | unum | macnewbold: correct |
| 00:25.28 | Bikerdan | Who cares! It's his money! |
| 00:25.32 | macnewbold | but there are millions of stories of people going beyond what they were born into |
| 00:25.35 | macnewbold | and vice versa |
| 00:25.46 | unum | correct |
| 00:25.48 | macnewbold | to me that doesn't mean we don't have the same potential |
| 00:25.51 | Bikerdan | You don't think he worked hard for what he's got? |
| 00:25.54 | Benni_Hanna | different circumstances that exist because of what your or his family did with their potential in the past |
| 00:26.10 | unum | Bikerdan: I think other people have worked hard and earned less money, because of their circumstances |
| 00:26.30 | josephscott | $8ball should we just have single rate flat tax? |
| 00:26.31 | raifbot | josephscott - Outlook good. |
| 00:26.33 | Bikerdan | So should we divvy out everyones money so all has the same share? |
| 00:26.43 | unum | Benni_Hanna: exactly so not every indvidual has the same potential earing power? |
| 00:26.44 | Benni_Hanna | that is socialism my friends |
| 00:26.58 | unum | Bikerdan: that's not what I'm arguing |
| 00:27.03 | Bikerdan | But it is.... |
| 00:27.08 | unum | I'm just saying it's not true that we all are born as equals |
| 00:27.14 | unum | Bikerdan: when have I said that |
| 00:27.31 | unum | all i said is that we are not all born with equal earning power |
| 00:27.31 | Benni_Hanna | yes they do because I can make facebook with no more than a couple grand in a summer... |
| 00:27.48 | Bikerdan | You wanted the rich to pay more taxes to support the poor. That's distribution of wealth. |
| 00:27.50 | mindjuju | josephscott, it actually went from, am i presidential write-in to socialism |
| 00:27.52 | unum | I didn't call for equal redistribution AT ANY TIME |
| 00:28.04 | Benni_Hanna | the fact is EVERYONE has the ability to better their circumstance |
| 00:28.08 | unum | no I want the rich to pay more to support the defense industry since they have more stuff to protect |
| 00:28.11 | Bikerdan | They why don't you think that the rich are already paying their fair share? |
| 00:28.19 | unum | and I never called for anything to be equally redistributed |
| 00:28.30 | josephscott | $8ball can mindjuju sign an executive order to change the topic? |
| 00:28.31 | raifbot | josephscott - Yes. |
| 00:28.36 | unum | I would like to see more money put into public education to help level the playing field |
| 00:28.46 | unum | because they pay a lower rate than the poor |
| 00:29.04 | mindjuju | so josephscott, i hear its going to snow on wednesday |
| 00:29.07 | Bikerdan | So if I'm rich and I pay 10% which ends up being 10000, and a poor guy pays 30% which ends up 1000 dollars, that's not fair? |
| 00:29.18 | Benni_Hanna | i love snow |
| 00:29.35 | unum | nope, you have more stuff to protect, why shouldn't you pay more to protect it? |
| 00:29.53 | josephscott | Bikerdan: at the risk of bringing up a dictionary, I think you'd need to set some ground rules for what "fair" is |
| 00:29.56 | Bikerdan | I would be paying a LOT more... Doesn't that cover it? |
| 00:30.01 | unum | plus you have benefited from existing social programs to get where you are, why can't more be demanded of you to help the next guy |
| 00:30.02 | Bikerdan | fare. |
| 00:30.04 | Bikerdan | Sorry |
| 00:30.10 | Bikerdan | fair? |
| 00:30.12 | Bikerdan | ... |
| 00:30.14 | Bikerdan | anyway |
| 00:30.16 | mindjuju | unum, Bikerdan, i want to spare you guys some effort. i'm going to wager $20 to a charity that nether of you will be able to convince the other |
| 00:30.19 | mindjuju | BUT |
| 00:30.25 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 00:30.30 | unum | mindjuju: true, especially since I need to leave |
| 00:30.31 | Benni_Hanna | ya because the poor don't take advantage of ANY social programs |
| 00:30.32 | Bikerdan | I'm with you mj |
| 00:30.36 | mindjuju | maybe over 5guys, you can come to some kind of middle path? |
| 00:30.37 | unum | I have to go to job #2 |
| 00:30.37 | Bikerdan | Me too |
| 00:31.01 | Bikerdan | Well... This was fun. |
| 00:31.17 | Bikerdan | Have a happy election night! |
| 00:31.27 | unum | but anyways I recognize that my success comes from the circumstances I was born into and not because I worked harder than everyone who makes less than me |
| 00:31.28 | fungus | I'm going to go vote for the most liberal, tree-hugging, hippy socialist people I can find in 30 min. |
| 00:31.30 | Bikerdan | I have a feeling mindjuju wants 5guys |
| 00:31.31 | PoeticIntensity | Gotta love charged conversations / debates / heated arguments.... *nom nom nom* |
| 00:31.40 | unum | so I wouldn't feel cheated if I was paying higher taxes |
| 00:31.47 | mindjuju | ii'd love 5guys |
| 00:31.59 | unum | I do think it's silly that I was paying higher taxes a poor starving college student than I am now |
| 00:32.01 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 00:32.08 | josephscott | PoeticIntensity: and I didn't even toss in some of the really fun topics :-) |
| 00:32.15 | PoeticIntensity | hehe.... |
| 00:32.16 | unum | but anyways I love 5 guys too, but I have to get to job #2 |
| 00:32.25 | Bikerdan | L8r |
| 00:32.26 | Benni_Hanna | My circumstances left me to fight for what I have and so I'm protective of it |
| 00:32.30 | Bikerdan | Good chat unum. |
| 00:32.32 | Bikerdan | Everyone... |
| 00:32.32 | mindjuju | cya |
| 00:32.35 | Bikerdan | Good night. |
| 00:32.37 | PoeticIntensity | adios, all! |
| 00:32.42 | Benni_Hanna | cya |
| 00:33.06 | PoeticIntensity | I didn't even know they existed until my 20's... |
| 00:33.13 | PoeticIntensity | but... roads are nice. |
| 00:33.21 | mindjuju | next argument scheduled for debate: 5guys v Whopper king |
| 00:33.22 | PoeticIntensity | military is good so we don't all die. |
| 00:33.28 | PoeticIntensity | HA! |
| 00:33.36 | mindjuju | :) |
| 00:33.48 | fungus | does 5guys have a veggie burger. That is the deciding factor. |
| 00:34.00 | mindjuju | not that i know of |
| 00:34.06 | Benni_Hanna | the worst is watching my buddy take 1 class a semester so he can receive his grants that are worth 5 times his tuition rate while I struggle to pay my tuition and don't qualify for any grants... |
| 00:34.08 | josephscott | I recommend http://graphics8.nytimes.com/news/business/0915taxesandeconomy.pdf again, some great data and graphs |
| 00:34.08 | fungus | bummer, whopper king wins |
| 00:34.45 | PoeticIntensity | on the other hand, when I lost my job in 2002, it was good knowing I could pay rent while I looked for (and successfully found) a job. |
| 00:34.52 | Benni_Hanna | just because my circumstance is that both my parents graduated from college and neither of his didn't/// |
| 00:35.17 | PoeticIntensity | whopper king is not even close to 5Guys... sorry.... 5 Guys win.:) |
| 00:35.21 | PoeticIntensity | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.34 | fungus | lol, not until they make a veggie burger. |
| 00:35.38 | Benni_Hanna | a burger sounds good right now |
| 00:35.49 | fungus | Smash burger does great veggie burgers. |
| 00:35.58 | Benni_Hanna | wait fungus likes veggie burgers? |
| 00:36.06 | fungus | yup |
| 00:36.15 | peno | he's crazy |
| 00:36.20 | PoeticIntensity | I've gotta say, though.... (and this doesn't apply to anyone but me) - while I was on unemployment, I didn't work nearly as hard to find another job knowing that my unemployment check could cover my needs 100%.... |
| 00:36.23 | josephscott | dinner is on, all this talk of food is making me hungry :-) |
| 00:36.24 | Benni_Hanna | that's a little canabolistic don't you think? |
| 00:36.27 | fungus | <- hippy tree-hugger socialist vegetarian |
| 00:36.29 | mindjuju | so 5guys website says that you can have a veggie sammich |
| 00:36.42 | mindjuju | BUT, veggie sammich = all the hamburger topings you want on a bun |
| 00:36.44 | peno | that's just all the veggies on a bun |
| 00:36.45 | herlo | josephscott: that and the food itself :) |
| 00:36.47 | PoeticIntensity | When I lost my job in 2009, I worked *MUCH* harder to find a job because I knew unemployment wouldn't even begin to cover it all. |
| 00:36.52 | mindjuju | where bun could have been toasted on grill with hamburgers |
| 00:37.11 | mindjuju | and they also have a grilled cheese |
| 00:37.15 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju, LOL!! |
| 00:37.25 | herlo | grilled cheese is actually pretty darn good |
| 00:37.31 | PoeticIntensity | no meat = vegetarian... |
| 00:37.32 | PoeticIntensity | love it. |
| 00:37.35 | fungus | mindjuju, that's close, but I'd prefer a bean or veggie patty |
| 00:38.16 | herlo | dark means no more work, right? |
| 00:38.23 | fungus | I wish |
| 00:38.27 | Benni_Hanna | me too |
| 00:38.30 | mindjuju | dark means go to job 2 or school |
| 00:38.41 | mindjuju | actually, it's this way |
| 00:38.48 | herlo | mindjuju: I don't have 2 jobs |
| 00:38.52 | herlo | nor do I have school |
| 00:38.59 | mindjuju | dark 1 == job 1; dark 2 == school / job2 |
| 00:39.07 | SunSparc | Costco has some pretty good veggie patties. |
| 00:39.10 | herlo | but I thought school was during the first dark |
| 00:39.17 | herlo | at least for many |
| 00:39.21 | mindjuju | not any moe |
| 00:39.33 | fungus | SunSparc, I know right. Love those black bean burgers. |
| 00:39.34 | mindjuju | and spring semester, i have class in middle of day, just got auth for it |
| 00:40.12 | fungus | sh run |
| 00:40.21 | fungus | doh. wrong window |
| 00:40.55 | herlo | lol |
| 00:40.59 | herlo | @ fungus |
| 00:41.05 | SunSparc | fungus: Yeah, good stuff. |
| 00:41.29 | herlo | mindjuju: but then daytime will be all the awake time, like it should be. |
| 00:42.05 | SunSparc | fungus: no time zones? |
| 00:42.07 | herlo | fungus: have you seen C&T calendar? |
| 00:42.15 | herlo | SunSparc: it's totally doable |
| 00:42.26 | fungus | SunSparc, yes. It would be weird at first, but we'd get used to it. |
| 00:42.37 | fungus | herlo, no. /me googles |
| 00:43.35 | herlo | I guess they call it the Hanke-Henry Permanent Calendar now |
| 00:43.53 | fungus | http://www.ct-calendar.org/en/ |
| 00:44.07 | fungus | interesting. |
| 00:44.14 | SunSparc | http://www.standardtime.com/ |
| 00:44.23 | herlo | SunSparc: that's different |
| 00:44.24 | fungus | the whole provision for Christmas is a bit weird though. |
| 00:44.26 | herlo | but I like that one too |
| 00:44.46 | herlo | fungus: read #7 |
| 00:45.43 | dandkburt | 5so your saying that my bday will always be on a thursday |
| 00:45.49 | herlo | yep |
| 00:45.56 | fungus | Eww! colors. |
| 00:46.05 | herlo | mine's a tuesday |
| 00:46.14 | herlo | but this year, it's a Thursday |
| 00:46.16 | SunSparc | I like the idea of 24 hour time everywhere. |
| 00:46.38 | herlo | SunSparc: me too |
| 00:46.46 | dandkburt | 52 days before thanksgiving |
| 00:46.47 | fungus | Very good ideas, but it would be extremely hard to actually get the world to change IMHO. |
| 00:47.00 | dandkburt | 2 days before thanksgiving |
| 00:47.03 | fungus | ~lart dandkburt |
| 00:47.03 | ibot | teaches dandkburt the basics, including how to RTM |
| 00:47.13 | herlo | it's easy to adjust to as well. Since all it means is UTC time everywhere. We would work something like 02:00-10:00 for our 8 hours |
| 00:47.28 | SunSparc | Interesting. |
| 00:47.28 | herlo | dandkburt: consider removing color please |
| 00:47.36 | dandkburt | 2 days before thanksgiving |
| 00:47.39 | dandkburt | sorry |
| 00:47.42 | herlo | :) |
| 00:47.42 | fungus | I love that idea. No more crazy time math when talking to people far away. |
| 00:48.13 | herlo | fungus: #6 is also interesting |
| 00:48.19 | SunSparc | herlo: lol, I googled daylight savings and came up with you: https://plus.google.com/100952077644304838223/posts/2iFSXz34KcL |
| 00:48.23 | dandkburt | but i liked it when I was playing yo yo with my bday and thanksgivving |
| 00:48.38 | herlo | SunSparc: surprise surprise :) |
| 00:48.44 | herlo | SunSparc: it's on facebook, too |
| 00:49.12 | SunSparc | Nice, I am on so many of those "kill time change/dst" pages. |
| 00:50.56 | herlo | SunSparc: my theory is that dst is the right one to switch, though on standardtime.com they note that happened in 1973 in the US |
| 00:51.33 | SunSparc | Yeah, I really do not care which one is picked. I just hate messing up the schedule and the clocks each year. |
| 00:51.36 | herlo | apparently, the change affected enough that there were several more school bus accidents and other problems they repealed it |
| 00:51.54 | herlo | SunSparc: indeed. The main valid argument is energy savings. |
| 00:52.08 | herlo | the one where it affects farmers is totally bogus |
| 00:52.22 | SunSparc | I vote we switch to Star Date Time. |
| 00:52.25 | herlo | farmers get up earlier than anyone should |
| 00:52.38 | herlo | lol, as in Star Trek? |
| 00:52.44 | SunSparc | Bingo |
| 00:52.49 | herlo | haha! |
| 00:52.58 | SunSparc | :) |
| 00:53.44 | herlo | I would have to talk like William Shatner from that point forward. It would not be an option! |
| 00:53.47 | SunSparc | Or I can just move to the equator and there will be plenty of sunlight all the time. |
| 00:53.56 | SunSparc | lol |
| 00:55.05 | fungus | That sounds like a good idea, but I don't know any cities in that region that I would like to live in. |
| 00:56.09 | herlo | fungus: what idea? stardates? |
| 00:56.20 | fungus | living at the equator |
| 00:56.38 | SunSparc | I lived in the Philippines and it was very nice. |
| 00:57.07 | SunSparc | I hear they now have decent Internet too. |
| 00:57.19 | herlo | fungus: what about sao paulo, that's semi-close to the equator, isn't it? |
| 00:57.53 | herlo | ahh, little bit away I guess |
| 00:57.58 | fungus | I don't know. maybe. |
| 00:58.06 | fungus | Looks like Lima Peru is pretty close. |
| 00:58.22 | herlo | bogota, columbia |
| 00:58.29 | herlo | that's a hopping place, I hear :) |
| 00:58.51 | herlo | it's closer than lima |
| 00:59.05 | SunSparc | Africa |
| 00:59.13 | herlo | I think Malaysia would be nice |
| 00:59.56 | SunSparc | New Guinea |
| 01:00.08 | fungus | Grr, a watched connection never drops. |
| 01:00.09 | SunSparc | Yeah, Malaysia could be nice. |
| 01:00.09 | herlo | kuala lumpur is very close |
| 01:00.28 | fungus | maybe I'll just leave this thing capturing all night. |
| 01:00.40 | mgeary | I'd love to visit Iquitos Peru |
| 01:00.41 | herlo | fungus: what are you capturing? |
| 01:01.03 | fungus | watching for my EIGRP peer to drop so I can get a clean capture of it. |
| 01:01.32 | fungus | Drops frequently when I'm not watching, but doesn't drop when I am actually watching it. really annoying. |
| 01:01.44 | herlo | haha |
| 01:01.46 | herlo | yeah |
| 01:01.55 | mindjuju | i want an app for the election that overlaps the images with a frownie or smilie depending on the number http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president |
| 01:02.01 | fungus | oh wait, There it goes. Woot. Now I can go vote. Cya all. |
| 01:02.13 | mindjuju | hope line is small fungus |
| 01:02.30 | SunSparc | fungus: I hope you win. |
| 01:02.54 | mindjuju | may the swartz be with you! |
| 01:02.57 | SunSparc | lol |
| 01:02.58 | fungus | never had a line before at my precinct at this time of day |
| 01:03.22 | fungus | same place too for 15+ years for me. |
| 01:13.23 | herlo | that fungus is an odd duck |
| 01:13.28 | herlo | never moves... |
| 01:14.51 | dandkburt | sorry I will move |
| 01:16.02 | herlo | dandkburt: lol |
| 01:16.14 | herlo | dandkburt: he's an odd duck for many other reasons :) |
| 01:16.20 | herlo | we still like him tho |
| 01:16.32 | dandkburt | I am a duck too |
| 01:16.55 | herlo | good to know |
| 01:17.00 | dandkburt | lmao |
| 01:17.12 | dandkburt | how are ya herlo |
| 01:17.41 | herlo | dandkburt: doing alright |
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| 01:18.24 | dandkburt | lmao mindjuju: I thought you said may the shorts be with you |
| 01:18.43 | mindjuju | :) |
| 01:18.49 | dandkburt | lol |
| 01:18.51 | dandkburt | sorry |
| 01:18.54 | mindjuju | so do either of you fine gents play fantasy football? |
| 01:19.01 | dandkburt | stigmatizm |
| 01:19.09 | dandkburt | sorry |
| 01:19.19 | dandkburt | I don't |
| 01:19.26 | mindjuju | oh, well i don't either, but here is the same concept but with politics - http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/ecalculator#?battleground |
| 01:19.58 | mindjuju | i can't seem to roll my eyes from the exertion over the last few days, but if i could, i would at this |
| 01:21.05 | mindjuju | well, i've got to shift over to office 2 now, see you gents later |
| 01:23.06 | dandkburt | anyone here from canada |
| 01:31.15 | herlo | mindjuju: I don't play fantasy anything, unless it's in the bedroom with my wife :) |
| 01:34.29 | peno | tmi |
| 01:35.14 | herlo | lol |
| 01:35.24 | herlo | peno: you are welcome. |
| 01:35.31 | herlo | peno: I also hear congrats are in order. |
| 01:35.37 | peno | herlo: thnx |
| 01:38.59 | herlo | peno: I take it being in WVC is better than Provo for sure. :) |
| 01:40.02 | peno | herlo: much much better |
| 01:40.28 | peno | it's a 10-15 minute drive, vs. 45-60 minute |
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| 01:48.20 | herlo | very nice |
| 02:02.12 | ninnypants1 | apparently result maps can be very different depending on which site you're on |
| 02:03.26 | ninnypants1 | http://www.facebookstories.com/vote |
| 02:34.00 | SunSparc | ninnypants: That page shows a good use of the Internet. |
| 02:39.56 | ninnypants | yeah kind of cool to see all the votes coming in |
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| 02:46.53 | ninnypants | mindjuju what are you watching for election results? |
| 02:49.04 | stderr- | looking really bad for Romney |
| 02:55.06 | ninnypants | stderr-: I'm seeing it looking bad for Obama though he does have a lead in most the swing states |
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| 02:56.23 | stderr- | ninnypants: ... how? |
| 02:56.52 | dandkburt | i swear if obama wins I will start packing |
| 02:56.54 | stderr- | WI, NH, PA all for Obama, there has been no good news for Romney. |
| 02:57.02 | ninnypants | stderr-: I'm seeing romney winning more states http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/President/2012/ |
| 02:57.13 | stderr- | State count doesn't matter. |
| 02:57.27 | stderr- | dandkburt: well that's a shame. |
| 02:57.32 | ninnypants | yes but it's showing lower electoral votes for obama |
| 02:57.41 | stderr- | ... |
| 02:57.50 | stderr- | ninnypants, you gotta take some stronger math classes. |
| 02:58.14 | stderr- | take a look at this |
| 02:58.14 | stderr- | http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/president/scenarios |
| 02:59.56 | ninnypants | stderr-: cool |
| 03:00.25 | ninnypants | I was just going off who was in the lead on that site but this NYT one is really cool |
| 03:01.15 | stderr- | can't think of lead in this (admittedly ridiculous) electoral vote system. |
| 03:01.21 | stderr- | you have to think of the battleground firewall |
| 03:01.37 | stderr- | Romney has to sweep them, basically, to win, now, with WI and PA out of the picture |
| 03:02.06 | stderr- | with the trend in the other battleground states, not going to happen |
| 03:02.10 | ninnypants | yeah I figured it would turn around once more was reported |
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| 04:20.25 | stderr- | OBAMA WINS. |
| 04:20.30 | stderr- | Move out while you still can! |
| 04:20.49 | stderr- | lol. |
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| 14:31.30 | SunSparc | ~morning |
| 14:31.31 | ibot | Good morning! |
| 14:31.36 | SunSparc | Thank ibot! |
| 14:32.49 | mindjuju_ | morning SunSparc |
| 14:33.03 | mindjuju_ | is the sun shinning over on that side of the interwebs? |
| 14:33.10 | mindjuju_ | it is here :) |
| 14:33.48 | SunSparc | Good morning mindjuju_. We have indirect sunlight. Sun has not yet broken over the mountains. Clear skies though. |
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| 14:43.24 | mindjuju_ | wow - http://pamdjs.com/show.cfm?id=94672&cart |
| 14:43.32 | mindjuju_ | baby anne is playing at Mixx |
| 14:44.33 | mindjuju_ | i'd go, but i don't think they'd let my grandpa walker through the door |
| 14:47.41 | itimber | mindjuju_: haha |
| 14:47.46 | itimber | sounds like a killer show |
| 14:48.15 | mindjuju_ | yup, i'd go if i was back in college |
| 14:48.24 | mindjuju_ | 40 is just to old to go clubbing |
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| 16:32.31 | mahelious | so...i think i need to take a vacation. I've heard Washington will be nice next month. |
| 16:33.01 | TuxToaster | ~xdebug SunSparc |
| 16:33.57 | SunSparc | ~grind TuxToaster |
| 16:34.15 | TuxToaster | ~slow SunSparc |
| 16:34.15 | ibot | ACTION attaches a ball and chain to SunSparc |
| 16:34.57 | SunSparc | ~fast SunSparc |
| 16:35.03 | SunSparc | :( |
| 16:35.19 | TuxToaster | ~speedup SunSparc |
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| 16:35.41 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 16:42.20 | Heartsbane | ~rlart |
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| 16:43.44 | herlo | mindjuju_: wait, you're 40 already? |
| 16:44.16 | mindjuju_ | technically 39, but my clock runs fast |
| 16:44.30 | herlo | mindjuju_: lol. I thought I was just a few months older, but I can never keep track |
| 16:44.48 | herlo | this mind is giving out on me in my old age. |
| 16:44.55 | herlo | :) |
| 16:44.58 | mindjuju_ | word |
| 16:45.42 | mahelious | ive read you can fix that by flying around the world a couple of times. just make sure you go the right direction. |
| 16:47.08 | mindjuju_ | about Baby Anne playing live in the SLC, i prolly won't endear myself to my wife going to a club with a bunch of 20year olds dancing around in less than clothes |
| 16:47.32 | mindjuju_ | so i'll just listen to my flac files |
| 16:49.19 | fungus | mindjuju_, bring her with. Then she can't be mad. |
| 16:50.02 | mindjuju_ | nah, i'll leave the clubbing to the younger folks |
| 16:50.08 | mindjuju_ | i'm happy |
| 16:53.45 | mindjuju_ | k, so if you want to listen to my Chili con Carne mix, i'll play it in 7 minutes. It's not fantastic and its rough, but its decent |
| 16:53.58 | mindjuju_ | starts out mildly spicy and ends well i think |
| 16:54.39 | mahelious | i have no idea if you are talking about food or house music, but i am enthusiastic! |
| 16:54.41 | mindjuju_ | oh, and the disjointedness comes from working on an ms sql 2k5 express server whilst compiling the list |
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| 18:09.12 | TuxToaster | $chuck-fact |
| 18:09.12 | raifbot | Chuck Norris can finish Mario Bros without using the jump button |
| 18:09.59 | Monnok | lol |
| 18:10.12 | Monnok | thats a new one to me :) |
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| 18:16.55 | ninnypants1 | east cost needs these http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2012/11/07/forget-apps-and-other-useless-startups-these-four-african-girls-have-created-a-pee-powered-generator/ |
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| 18:48.45 | jtsnow | anyone know of a good front-end developer available for some contract work? |
| 18:52.15 | mindjuju_ | Heartsbane, i totally agree |
| 18:52.18 | mindjuju_ | wth florida |
| 18:53.53 | mindjuju_ | jtsnow, got any more details? |
| 18:54.57 | mindjuju_ | like do you need somebody to work with WP? that'd be ninnypants, supernovia on frontend, MikeHansenMe i know he does WP, but not sure if it is front or back |
| 18:55.23 | mindjuju_ | in general front end work, both ninny and super and well shoot practically everybody in the chan |
| 18:55.35 | supernovia | ninnypants does a ton of stuff |
| 18:56.18 | mindjuju_ | oh i don't know about that supernovia, if i offered you a job for $1k, do you think you'd find time ;) |
| 18:56.28 | mindjuju_ | let's say 10hrs work |
| 18:56.45 | supernovia | It's a conflict of interest with my job actually |
| 18:56.49 | supernovia | I can still do volunteer stuff, though |
| 18:56.55 | mindjuju_ | oh gotcha |
| 18:57.25 | mindjuju_ | so any way jtsnow, tons of good people, post details |
| 18:58.14 | mindjuju_ | and if you want a faster more accurate response, include the wage |
| 19:06.10 | mindjuju_ | considering the accuracy of the Mayan astronomers and timekeepers, i wonder if this server is calibrated enough to be the really Real Mayan countdown - http://www.mayanapocalypse.com/ |
| 19:08.05 | herlo | mindjuju_: speaking of that. The Break, our little local bar here in Daybreak, has a sign on the wall that has the countdown. It's always fun to see how close to the end of the world we really are! |
| 19:08.48 | herlo | and at least by that count, I'll own two houses for just over a month! W00t! :) |
| 19:08.50 | mindjuju_ | the only thing i'm really worried about is the possible affects on the interwebs this cataclysm could have |
| 19:08.55 | mindjuju_ | oh, and the flying snakes |
| 19:08.59 | ninnypants | mindjuju_: as far as I know Mayans didn't do leap year so it's probably not close |
| 19:09.02 | mindjuju_ | i wonder if the interwebs will be down long |
| 19:16.50 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 19:16.51 | raifbot | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, bradym, this won't hurt a bit....". |
| 19:50.23 | jtsnow | mindjuju_: Thanks for the tips. It is a 5-6 week project for a major television network. That's all the details I have at the moment. |
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| 19:58.29 | TuxToaster | http://cl.ly/image/2E101W3H3u2M |
| 19:59.42 | herlo | heh |
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| 20:48.16 | TuxToaster | *tumbleweeds* |
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| 21:03.33 | ninnypants | $lart TuxToaster |
| 21:03.33 | raifbot | burns TuxToaster to a crisp with a laser. |
| 21:12.12 | SunSparc | *distant hawk screech* |
| 21:12.28 | mindjuju_ | i feel like i'm on the set of the movie Rango |
| 21:13.39 | SunSparc | *fly buzzes by* |
| 21:14.02 | DexterTheDragon | SunSparc: we're rocking in out in tt |
| 21:14.18 | SunSparc | Oh yeah? Without me? |
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| 21:38.46 | mahelious | anybody know a Stacie Johnstun? or know anything about YourWebCrew.com? |
| 21:40.49 | ShunkyDave | sorry mahelious |
| 21:40.49 | TuxToaster | nope |
| 21:49.32 | mahelious | n/p. just checking around. |
| 22:07.58 | SunSparc | mahelious: Old girlfriend of yours? |
| 22:09.39 | macnewbold | mahelious: I think I found a picture of her: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/496/asdf.jpg |
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| 22:09.50 | SunSparc | lol |
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| 22:10.34 | SunSparc | OHHHH JEAN! |
| 22:14.31 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:17.38 | mahelious | ~macnewbold++ |
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| 22:35.36 | TuxToaster | a guy I know just received this email notice of a security breach, but their description of what caused the breach is a bit unusual |
| 22:35.47 | TuxToaster | We made a human error despite a review process meant to catch such errors. On our other service, Webscript.io, we published an example that showed customers how to use Amazon's S3 service from Webscript. In building that script, we made use of our Amazon credentials, and we inadvertently published those credentials in the example code. These credentials have already been changed, but there was a window |
| 22:35.47 | TuxToaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.47 | TuxToaster | In the future, we will never use Planet Rational's AWS credentials in any examples, and we are adopting a more rigorous checklist-based process to make sure we don't leak any secrets in code examples. |
| 22:47.43 | mahelious | hopefully whoever wrote up the howto never has to demo a shopping cart checkout. |
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| 22:58.37 | mindjuju_ | ...like watching a train wreck in slow motion... |
| 23:00.14 | ninnypants | mahelious: never heard of her at first I thought it was the lady who started this http://www.meetup.com/WordPress-Website-SEO/ |
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