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| 01:57.28 | SunSparc | ~Thursday |
| 01:57.29 | ibot | "This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent) |
| 02:13.14 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 02:13.14 | raifbot | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses TuxToaster's head to break the homerun record. |
| 02:13.27 | TuxToaster | doh |
| 02:15.35 | SunSparc | hah |
| 02:15.49 | SunSparc | I hate it when the random numbers are against me. |
| 02:15.58 | SunSparc | mindjuju___: You around? |
| 02:16.07 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: that could be a shirt |
| 02:16.25 | SunSparc | Totally. |
| 02:16.35 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 14:41.38 | SunSparc | kholladay: looks like you have been having connection issues all night. |
| 14:42.57 | mindjuju___ | and now for something completely different, Halloween Ghostly Stories!! WARNING bad language from 6:10 - 6:30 in the vid, you can just fast-forward and skip it. oh and one last thing, make sure the kiddos aren't around, THIS IS SCARY |
| 14:43.06 | mindjuju___ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysgQ9spsphk |
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| 14:46.20 | SunSparc | mindjuju___: Slenderman reminds me of an Enderman. |
| 14:46.41 | mindjuju___ | yup |
| 14:46.47 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 14:46.47 | raifbot | beats jnbek over the head with a microkernel. |
| 14:47.14 | mindjuju___ | SunSparc, have you seen the game? http://www.atomicgamer.com/files/99936/slender-the-eight-pages-v0-9-7-beta-for-windows-free-game |
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| 14:48.00 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Nope |
| 14:48.24 | mindjuju | from the trailer and some vids on youtube, it looks awesome but VERY scary |
| 14:48.30 | mindjuju | DtD could prolly play it |
| 14:49.45 | mindjuju | DtD saw the movie The Ring and laughed it off, i couldn't sleep that night |
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| 14:56.43 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: cool video |
| 14:57.28 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: so a guy I know, one of his kids is going as a creeper for halloween |
| 14:57.52 | SunSparc | mindjuju: I was enjoying "The Ring" until about the last 5 minutes when it turned from scary to completely evil. |
| 14:57.53 | TuxToaster | apparently his wife made the costume from scratch by gluing little 1" green squares to a box |
| 14:57.59 | TuxToaster | waiting on a picture from him |
| 14:58.08 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: sweet! |
| 15:00.00 | captbrogers | Hooray! I found E17 for Fedora 17! |
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| 15:03.52 | mindjuju | SunSparc, i repressed the movie experience, i don't remember |
| 15:03.56 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 15:04.34 | captbrogers | SunSparc, the year that came out my friend's little sister (she was about 14) was watching it with her friend late at night |
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| 15:05.07 | captbrogers | I was in the next room with my friend playing games. As soon as I heard the movie end, I grabbed my friend's cell phone and called their house |
| 15:05.07 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Probably a good idea. :) |
| 15:05.21 | captbrogers | There was a phone right next to his sister, and they lost it |
| 15:05.52 | SunSparc | captbrogers: lol |
| 15:05.54 | mindjuju | captbrogers, that's funny |
| 15:06.02 | captbrogers | I was laughing so hard but couldn't be heard over their screams. His mom picked up really sleepily, and just had enough time to hear me say, "oh shi---" and hang up |
| 15:06.20 | captbrogers | I don't think she ever forgave me, and that was 10 years ago |
| 15:06.53 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 15:11.40 | fungus | $lart jnbek with something else |
| 15:11.41 | raifbot | calls jnbek with something else on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home. |
| 15:12.00 | jnbek | D'OH!!! |
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| 15:12.42 | fungus | $lart khollada_'s network connection |
| 15:12.42 | raifbot | send killer squirrels to attack khollada_'s network connection. |
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| 15:13.22 | jnbek | lol |
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| 15:14.20 | TuxToaster | why do we even have those squirrels? |
| 15:14.40 | jnbek | i surmise for poor internet connection extermination |
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| 15:16.48 | TuxToaster | oi |
| 15:17.26 | TuxToaster | wonder what the deal is with his connection... it's the same one I'm on. |
| 15:17.43 | fungus | No clue. |
| 15:18.01 | TuxToaster | (I'd tell him to fix it, but he's not here yet) |
| 15:18.04 | captbrogers | Geez fungus, what if he is an AI trying to establish connections with us |
| 15:18.09 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 15:18.10 | captbrogers | Now you ban him |
| 15:18.26 | captbrogers | Thanks, now we know why Skynet gets pissed at us |
| 15:18.31 | fungus | lol |
| 15:18.53 | fungus | I'll wait until skynet can keep a stable connection. Then i'll talk to it. |
| 15:19.00 | jnbek | lol |
| 15:19.07 | captbrogers | It just rage-quited |
| 15:19.17 | TuxToaster | captbrogers: how is E17 these days, btw? |
| 15:21.51 | captbrogers | TuxToaster: I'm installing requirements now, I'm going to test it out today |
| 15:22.36 | TuxToaster | nice. I used to love it. Haven't been using Linux much as a desktop recently though so haven't seen what's new |
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| 15:24.00 | captbrogers | I just switched back to Fedora because Ubuntu didn't have anywhere near the same support for my laptop |
| 15:26.27 | captbrogers | Going to reboot to try it out |
| 15:28.40 | TuxToaster | http://www.beerorkid.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/bacon-_flowchart.jpg |
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| 15:30.42 | jnbek | BACON!!!!! |
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| 15:32.26 | fungus | ~bacon-- |
| 15:33.11 | fungus | ~happy living pigs++ |
| 15:34.28 | TuxToaster | ~karma bacon |
| 15:34.28 | ibot | bacon has karma of 25 |
| 15:34.43 | TuxToaster | ~karma happy living pigs |
| 15:34.43 | ibot | happy living pigs has neutral karma |
| 15:34.49 | TuxToaster | umm |
| 15:34.57 | TuxToaster | someone actually -- that before? |
| 15:40.55 | SunSparc | ibot: which vitamins does bacon have in it? |
| 15:41.12 | SunSparc | Vitamin B right? |
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| 15:43.17 | mahelious | ~happy living pigs-- |
| 15:43.29 | mahelious | ~bacon++ |
| 15:43.49 | mahelious | and all is again right with the universe |
| 15:46.57 | SunSparc | mahelious: Are you saying that you have brought balance to the force? |
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| 15:49.20 | mahelious | SunSparc: sad devotion to ancient reliigions has never helped me conjure up bacon |
| 15:49.33 | SunSparc | lol |
| 15:49.42 | SunSparc | ~bacon mahelious |
| 15:49.43 | ibot | ACTION goes Footloose on mahelious, even though its illegal |
| 15:53.41 | fungus | lol, now that's a good Bacon. |
| 15:53.57 | SunSparc | :) To the seventh degree. |
| 15:54.28 | herlo | ~google bacon number Dom DeLuise |
| 15:54.36 | herlo | $google bacon number Dom DeLuise |
| 15:54.37 | raifbot | herlo searching http://www.google.com/search?q=bacon+number+Dom+DeLuise -- http://oracleofbacon.org/center_list.php -- http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001123/ -- http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Dom%2BDeLuise |
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| 16:10.41 | captbrogers | Well TuxToaster, that sucked |
| 16:10.56 | TuxToaster | ? |
| 16:11.13 | captbrogers | After I select Enlightenment from the login screen and put in my password, screen flashes back and puts me back at the login screen |
| 16:11.22 | captbrogers | Doesn't seem to be working at all for me |
| 16:11.33 | TuxToaster | oof |
| 16:11.41 | captbrogers | Sucks, I was looking forward to it |
| 16:12.01 | herlo | sounds like a display manager problem |
| 16:12.34 | TuxToaster | if you can get another wm open or jsut a basic xterm you could try launching it directly (I think they had a start_e17 script or similar) |
| 16:12.38 | captbrogers | herlo: I tried to go with a simple install, then installed extra files that were optional but said they might help |
| 16:12.53 | captbrogers | Sucks |
| 16:13.33 | herlo | captbrogers: yeah, try what TuxToaster suggests. If you can get that working, it's definitely a dm problem |
| 16:14.43 | captbrogers | I'm trying to install some more files, see if that will help |
| 16:14.44 | ninnypants | haven't made it through the whole thing but very interesting http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=antiscience-beliefs-jeopardize-us-democracy |
| 16:15.19 | captbrogers | I never understand this whole war with religion and science |
| 16:17.58 | captbrogers | One more try... |
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| 16:19.14 | captbrogers | Sad panda, it doesn't work |
| 16:19.58 | captbrogers | http://instantrimshot.com/index.php?sound=priceiswrong |
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| 16:23.58 | mindjuju | thx for posting this article ninnypants, i was looking for science related magazines that i could give to corban, this mag perhaps isn't one of them |
| 16:24.15 | mindjuju | so much material to teach Corban from, so little time |
| 16:24.35 | herlo | mindjuju: consider discover magazine or the smithsonian |
| 16:25.32 | mindjuju | it is interesting to note that they don't actually bring up a contrary position, just their own, and further revealing they don't bring up the comercialization of science as a reason why people have a harder time believing scientist |
| 16:25.51 | mindjuju | aka, big pharma paying off FDA to get their bad drugs on market with the understanding they have issues |
| 16:26.44 | captbrogers | Guess I'm just going to keep Gnome 3 then |
| 16:26.47 | ninnypants | mindjuju: they kind of did but didn't point out that it was issues with corporations, they talk about some stuff with toxic gas |
| 16:27.21 | mindjuju | oops! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment |
| 16:27.26 | mindjuju | was that science? |
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| 16:27.37 | mindjuju | theres more, LOTS more |
| 16:28.37 | mahelious | was it science? technically yes, and we did learn quite a bit from those experiments. |
| 16:28.47 | mahelious | was it humane or ethical? absolutely not. |
| 16:29.13 | mindjuju | true, i'm only addressing why people may have a hard time trusting them |
| 16:29.23 | mindjuju | not if it was or was not discovery |
| 16:29.27 | mahelious | but humanity has nothing to do with scientific process. only with the patients and practitioners. |
| 16:29.42 | fungus | I haven't finished the article, but the first page isn't talking about that mindjuju. It's talking about the Republican party's anti-science stances on non-controversial (in terms of science) issues. |
| 16:29.54 | fungus | "against evolution, human-induced climate change, vaccines, stem cell research, and more. " |
| 16:30.02 | mindjuju | yup, read it |
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| 16:30.37 | ninnypants | fungus: it goes on to talk about what may have caused the shift in peoples opinion of science |
| 16:30.39 | mindjuju | i'm arguing that scienctists aren't always benign and shouldn't be trusted at face value |
| 16:30.52 | fungus | The commercialization of science is an important topic, but not directly related to the point of the article. |
| 16:31.01 | mindjuju | and that we should examine these things for ourselves |
| 16:31.07 | mindjuju | sure it is related |
| 16:31.14 | tierra | captbrogers: I had been "looking forward" to enlightenment for years, always playing with the bleeding edge SVN checkouts... |
| 16:31.16 | fungus | mindjuju, but that is exactly what science is. |
| 16:31.31 | tierra | used to actually use E16 for a year or two |
| 16:31.35 | captbrogers | tierra: I want to play with it more, but honestly I do need something stable |
| 16:31.39 | mindjuju | when scientist stand to gain by profit, and are motivated other than to advance knowledge, that we do need to be careful |
| 16:31.47 | fungus | Not direct faith in scientists, but the ability and necessity to test their results yourself. |
| 16:31.54 | tierra | here was a screenshot of my E17 dev build back in 2005: http://tierra.deviantart.com/gallery/#/deg9iu |
| 16:32.26 | ninnypants | mindjuju: oh do you have PopularScience for Corban? It seems to be a good one as well |
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| 16:32.44 | mindjuju | i was just loking at that one ninnypants,i think i might get that for him |
| 16:32.48 | mindjuju | he has Make, it's awesome |
| 16:32.48 | fungus | Science isn't about blind faith, it's the opposite. Yes, commercialization has created some issues, but the the scientific method is still the best. |
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| 16:33.00 | tierra | but yeah, it doesn't seem like the project has any real intention of building a working window manager |
| 16:33.03 | tierra | heh |
| 16:33.06 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I just got an issue of make but haven't had time to read it yet |
| 16:33.28 | tierra | then again, all the hype with E17 was before Beryll and Compiz |
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| 16:33.56 | tierra | that definitely hit Enlightenment interest pretty hard - not that it was doing great in the first place |
| 16:34.18 | captbrogers | Beryl was great |
| 16:34.29 | tierra | E17 was just incredible for it's time |
| 16:34.39 | tierra | beautiful animations |
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| 16:34.59 | tierra | awesome performance for non-hardware-accelerated |
| 16:35.06 | mindjuju | understandable fungus, and if you ask mgeary he'll tell you i'm very passionate about education, especially STEM related |
| 16:35.19 | mindjuju | i just found the article to be biased and without caution |
| 16:35.57 | captbrogers | I wonder if I can get those on Fedora 17... |
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| 16:37.21 | mindjuju | having taken physics again, and with a great physics prof this semester, he's telling us we should try to break the theories that have been established as it adds to the matrix that holds up the theory, or if you do find something wrong, then the theory is benefited by the new understanding |
| 16:37.48 | fungus | Exactly. |
| 16:37.59 | fungus | That is what Science is. |
| 16:38.07 | mindjuju | so with that in mind, go back and read that article, and that isn't the stance they are taking |
| 16:38.19 | mindjuju | it's more of [my interp of the article] Believe Science! |
| 16:38.36 | mindjuju | ala tele-evangilist |
| 16:38.52 | mindjuju | my apologies to anybody who enjoys tele-evangilism |
| 16:39.33 | mindjuju | At least Gore's movie brought up some facts to try to influence change |
| 16:39.43 | fungus | I am reading it. But no matter what it says. Denying the facts that have come from science is still wrong. Eg. Evolution |
| 16:39.49 | beandog | I find tele-evangelism interesting |
| 16:39.54 | beandog | it's kinda cool to watch sometimes. |
| 16:40.49 | beandog | that and the magic bullet informercial. That one is my favorite by far. |
| 16:41.01 | mindjuju | when you say facts, its hard for me to differentiate that from the word truth |
| 16:41.11 | mindjuju | it seems like you are using them interchangably? |
| 16:41.18 | mindjuju | if so, i'd take issue with that |
| 16:41.20 | fungus | mindjuju, you certainly can test theories for yourself, and you should, but don't tell other people that the theory is False before you have any evidence to back it up. |
| 16:41.35 | mindjuju | fungus, that's fair |
| 16:41.54 | fungus | That is exactly what is occurring in present day Republican politics. |
| 16:42.14 | beandog | why is science even falling in the realm of politics? to get people stirred up emotionally? |
| 16:42.24 | ninnypants | I think what fungus just said was the main point of the article but I can see how mindjuju got the "Believe Science!" out of it |
| 16:42.25 | beandog | *political debates |
| 16:42.30 | mindjuju | i believe the earth is getting warmer, i believe there is a percentage of that warmth that is directly from humans, i believe we can do something about it, i drive a 40mpg Honda and turn off lights when i don't use them |
| 16:42.47 | mindjuju | but i don't chase people around with a stick to get them to change |
| 16:43.33 | captbrogers | mindjuju: I do |
| 16:43.39 | fungus | mindjuju, that's fine. But there is a large section of the Republican party that either deny climate change completely, or deny that humans have any affect. |
| 16:43.50 | ninnypants | captbrogers: but that's only to change to Android |
| 16:43.51 | mindjuju | captbrogers, i think you'd chase people around with a stick for any ole reason ;) |
| 16:44.05 | captbrogers | No, ninnypants is right, it's all about Android |
| 16:44.05 | mindjuju | fungus, So? |
| 16:44.28 | fungus | And spouting of claims that climate change is false, is a form of lying. |
| 16:44.37 | mindjuju | And |
| 16:44.55 | mindjuju | so let me just ask this rhetorically |
| 16:45.08 | mindjuju | if you aren't walking to work are living in a yort, how are you any better? |
| 16:45.54 | mindjuju | scientific america prints out their mag, don't they |
| 16:46.02 | mindjuju | how many trees got chopped down for that |
| 16:46.13 | mindjuju | what was the argument about climate change again? i forgot |
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| 16:47.07 | mindjuju | everybody too busy pointing out the fault of others, not enough time to look at their own |
| 16:47.57 | fungus | mindjuju, I don't propose that everyone should change their lives immediately. My passion is toward preventing this anti-science attitude. |
| 16:48.28 | mindjuju | it's not an anti-science attitude, in many cases |
| 16:48.28 | fungus | Dismissing science w/o new evidence is my problem. |
| 16:48.38 | fungus | mindjuju, but it is. |
| 16:48.48 | mindjuju | its that, people want change for others, they don't want to do it for themselves |
| 16:49.05 | mindjuju | they want this person to change, they want that person to change, but their cause, their lives, no that stays the same |
| 16:49.08 | fungus | mindjuju, this topic is moving again. |
| 16:49.21 | mindjuju | here i thought it was focusing on the real issue |
| 16:49.50 | fungus | No, the issue is the anti-science attitudes, not the steps people take toward the environment. |
| 16:50.07 | mindjuju | why do they have an anti-science point of view? |
| 16:50.11 | mindjuju | they don't believe? |
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| 16:50.22 | fungus | They don't believe the earth is getting warmer at all |
| 16:50.32 | fungus | Or, don't believe humans have *any* affect on it. |
| 16:50.48 | mindjuju | who are "they" and when was the last time you talked with "them" |
| 16:51.00 | mindjuju | or are you reciting what you heard on TV? no offense |
| 16:51.13 | fungus | I haven't talked to any people directly. Only read their articles they wrote. |
| 16:51.35 | fungus | But Climate Change is only 1 example of many that demonstrates this anti-science attitude. |
| 16:51.44 | mindjuju | can you post a couple when you get a chance? i know i'm putting you on the spot here and don't need some right now |
| 16:52.07 | mindjuju | i think you'll find people aren't for climate change legislation for reasons that aren't anti-science |
| 16:52.16 | fungus | Evolution, vaccines, etc |
| 16:52.57 | mindjuju | and all the while i've got to say, people have a right to think what they want, doesn't make it right; but do we really have to force them? |
| 16:53.30 | fungus | They have a right to think what they want, and say what they want. it doesn't make them right. |
| 16:53.44 | mindjuju | agreed |
| 16:54.03 | mindjuju | and the right to do or say as they please (within legal limits) |
| 16:54.06 | fungus | There is a scary trend toward lies about science. |
| 16:54.17 | mindjuju | on both sides, yes |
| 16:54.23 | fungus | This isn't about laws or legislation, it's about social change. |
| 16:54.47 | mindjuju | social change, can you give me more info on what you understand that to be |
| 16:55.15 | fungus | There are more people now that don't believe in evolution than in the past. |
| 16:55.21 | mindjuju | so |
| 16:55.34 | mindjuju | there are still some people who think the world is flat |
| 16:55.46 | mindjuju | there are others that think there is another world inside this planet |
| 16:55.53 | mindjuju | chase them down with a stick too? |
| 16:55.59 | fungus | Right, but the trend toward telling lies about science is increasing. |
| 16:56.03 | fungus | The trend is the worrying part. |
| 16:56.08 | mindjuju | there are some who think communism is swell. |
| 16:56.17 | mindjuju | what about them, chase them down? |
| 16:56.28 | mindjuju | where does it stop? |
| 16:56.53 | fungus | No clue. |
| 16:56.57 | fungus | It scares me though. |
| 16:57.21 | fungus | Our goal as a society should be to move toward knowledge. Not away from it. |
| 16:57.27 | mindjuju | fair enough, i see your point. science has proven there are big issues, some people have their head in the sand and deny it |
| 16:57.39 | fungus | Right. |
| 16:57.43 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I don't think it's just that though |
| 16:58.06 | mindjuju | i'm saying we cant force this change |
| 16:58.07 | fungus | It's the trend away from knowledge and science that is the problem. |
| 16:58.19 | fungus | mindjuju, I never said we could. I never said we should. |
| 16:58.33 | mindjuju | what was this part about social change |
| 16:58.36 | fungus | But we need to try to find ways to encourage people. |
| 16:58.46 | ninnypants | like with the vaccine stuff that lady from Austrailia was invited on tv to provide "balance" but her opinion is nothing more than that it's not another side that is provable but it's being treated as equal |
| 16:58.53 | fungus | no forcing. Just teach people. |
| 16:59.07 | mindjuju | fair enough, and I agree |
| 16:59.08 | fungus | Stop this whole garbage about "teach the controversy" in re: evolution |
| 16:59.13 | fungus | That is only making it worse |
| 16:59.32 | mindjuju | i'm not sure what that means, "teach the controversy" |
| 16:59.37 | beandog | I kind of imagine that it's not "all the republicans", and mostly just the ones who have the biggest mouths |
| 16:59.51 | ninnypants | it means schools have to teach creationism in science class |
| 17:00.02 | fungus | It means some schools teach creationism |
| 17:00.04 | ninnypants | the class has to cover both creationism and evolution |
| 17:00.14 | fungus | exactly. That's total bull shit |
| 17:00.48 | mindjuju | that's the first i'm hearing of that. when i was in Texas the principle was in class when we covered evolution |
| 17:01.00 | fungus | We shouldn't teach things that have no evidence in a science class |
| 17:01.21 | ninnypants | mindjuju: my teacher had to cover both evolution and creationism |
| 17:01.41 | mindjuju | i'm thinking on that fungus, but so far i'm ok with that |
| 17:01.47 | fungus | mindjuju, me too. But it has already happened in MS |
| 17:01.50 | beandog | strictly speaking, would'nt creationism be theory anyway? |
| 17:02.03 | fungus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teach_the_Controversy |
| 17:02.05 | beandog | besides, things without scientfiic evidence *is* theory |
| 17:02.09 | fungus | beandog, NO WAY |
| 17:02.12 | mindjuju | i would want Corban to learn about my beliefs from me and evo from school |
| 17:02.21 | beandog | anyway |
| 17:02.22 | beandog | I don't care. |
| 17:02.32 | fungus | beandog, Theories are proven with evidence. |
| 17:02.41 | beandog | yes, but they *start* as theories |
| 17:02.42 | mindjuju | that's my thought off the cuff, but i'll think on it |
| 17:02.43 | fungus | Hypothesis is ideas w/o evidence. |
| 17:02.45 | beandog | that's what I'm saying |
| 17:02.49 | beandog | anyway |
| 17:02.54 | fungus | Big difference |
| 17:03.09 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: the scientific definition of theory is different |
| 17:03.18 | DexterTheDragon | gravity is a *theory* |
| 17:03.36 | beandog | meh |
| 17:03.53 | ninnypants | mindjuju: that's my thinking Creationism is mostly a religious belief and shouldn't be taught in school it should be taught by parents |
| 17:04.05 | beandog | I agree with ninnypants |
| 17:04.07 | ninnypants | and I guess I don't even mean mostly |
| 17:04.23 | fungus | ninnypants, agree party. Though it shouldn't even be taught by parents IMHO |
| 17:04.24 | mindjuju | on the other hand ninnypants, religion shouldn't be chased out of schools either |
| 17:04.26 | UtahDave | religion should be taught in church and science in school |
| 17:04.32 | beandog | fungus: *eyeroll* |
| 17:04.39 | beandog | you're right. let's stamp it out completely </sarcasm> |
| 17:04.47 | mindjuju | people should have the choice |
| 17:04.47 | fungus | UtahDave, I agree |
| 17:04.58 | mindjuju | fungus, chasing down people with a stick who don't believe! |
| 17:05.14 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I'm not saying it should but everyone acts like it is the ban of prayer is that schools can't hold prayer not that students can't pray in school |
| 17:05.15 | fungus | Though teaching people about religion in school is ok. But only in a religion class. Not in a science class |
| 17:05.17 | mindjuju | didn't we learn anything from religion repressing science during the dark ages? |
| 17:05.19 | ninnypants | things like that |
| 17:05.45 | beandog | :) |
| 17:05.52 | fungus | hehe |
| 17:05.55 | fungus | thank you. |
| 17:05.57 | ninnypants | mindjuju: fungus said what I was tyring to say better |
| 17:05.58 | fungus | rage decreasing |
| 17:06.07 | beandog | fungus: much love bro |
| 17:06.19 | beandog | man lemme tell you though |
| 17:06.26 | beandog | in the bible belt, praying in school is common enough |
| 17:06.27 | mindjuju | fungus, i think you're quoting that from that science guy |
| 17:06.29 | mindjuju | bill nye |
| 17:06.34 | mindjuju | Corban and I talked about him |
| 17:06.41 | mindjuju | where could you learn hubris better? |
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| 17:08.12 | beandog | now I feel bad for being sarcastic |
| 17:08.32 | fungus | you are forgiven. |
| 17:08.46 | mindjuju | yeah beandog, here you haven't been in #uphpu for weeks and then spew your sarcasm! |
| 17:08.52 | mindjuju | </sarcasm> |
| 17:09.08 | beandog | mindjuju: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuv8w5vBQRg&feature=related |
| 17:09.18 | fungus | ok, now I got all that out, I'm going to finish that article, then configure some more routers |
| 17:09.29 | beandog | fungus: do you ever use shorewall? |
| 17:09.49 | fungus | is that the firewall distro? |
| 17:09.57 | beandog | fungus: no, just software |
| 17:09.58 | fungus | Or the gui to iptables |
| 17:10.00 | fungus | ah. |
| 17:10.01 | fungus | no |
| 17:10.02 | ninnypants | a long time ago |
| 17:10.03 | beandog | not even a gui |
| 17:10.05 | mindjuju | i use pfsense |
| 17:10.10 | fungus | I just use iptables. |
| 17:10.19 | beandog | fungus: yah I figured |
| 17:10.24 | fungus | Or, a few times I used the Ubuntu thing. UFW |
| 17:10.30 | beandog | I can't stand ufw. |
| 17:10.34 | beandog | ~nuke ufw |
| 17:10.34 | ibot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at ufw ... BĂ¢Â˜Â¢Ă¢Â˜Â¢M! |
| 17:10.45 | fungus | ufw is ok for really really simple stuff. |
| 17:10.52 | beandog | like pissing me off |
| 17:10.54 | mindjuju | yar, i had big issues with ufw |
| 17:11.00 | fungus | But anything out of the ordinary it's bad |
| 17:11.00 | beandog | syntax is terrible |
| 17:11.19 | beandog | oh well |
| 17:11.32 | beandog | I've been wrestling with Apache |
| 17:11.41 | beandog | I'm ripping out an old install on CentOS 5 |
| 17:12.00 | beandog | EOL distro = not fun |
| 17:12.08 | DexterTheDragon | beandog need some lolcat |
| 17:12.13 | beandog | aye |
| 17:12.35 | ninnypants | http://publicknowledge.org/blog/united-states-copyright-office-ripping-illega |
| 17:12.37 | beandog | http://spaceparanoids.org/img/lolcats/funny-pictures-cat-baking-bowl.jpg |
| 17:12.44 | fungus | I have 6 Cisco routers to configure today, and next week drive all over the valley to install them |
| 17:13.27 | fungus | beandog, Centos 5 is EOL already? |
| 17:13.38 | beandog | yes |
| 17:13.54 | beandog | well I think so |
| 17:14.23 | fungus | I knew it wasn't new hawtness anymore, but I hoped it would be supported for a few more years. |
| 17:14.35 | beandog | Everything on it is way old, so I've ripped out the majority of the software and installed it manually |
| 17:15.36 | fungus | heh, I still have 3 SLES 9 servers. |
| 17:15.55 | beandog | I'm so glad we're standardizing on ubuntu |
| 17:16.04 | beandog | I have two more CentOS installs, and then I'm done. |
| 17:16.18 | fungus | me too, I love my Ubuntu servers. |
| 17:16.25 | fungus | as long as I stick to LTS anyway. |
| 17:16.36 | beandog | yah so far I've been playing it safe with LTS |
| 17:17.00 | beandog | I wanna get us running on php 5.4 though |
| 17:17.00 | fungus | I had one box that wasn't and didn't upgrade it fast enough. When that goes EOL, its annoying. |
| 17:17.31 | UtahDave | I love ubuntu servers, too. My new job the guys love cent/rhel/fedora |
| 17:17.33 | beandog | that would suck big time |
| 17:17.36 | josephscott | ubuntu server was nice enough that I actually retired my last freebsd server. Kinda sad that I haven't had a *bsd box for a few years now |
| 17:17.56 | josephscott | beandog: agreed on the php 5.4 |
| 17:18.05 | beandog | 12.10 has it |
| 17:18.15 | josephscott | yeah, but that isn't LTS |
| 17:18.52 | fungus | You could risk it, if you actually upgrade it before it goes EOL. |
| 17:19.28 | fungus | But if you are lazy (like every good sysadmin) it might get ugly. |
| 17:19.51 | fungus | :) |
| 17:21.47 | UtahDave | 12.10 still has 2 years of support. Depending on what you're plans are with that infrastructure, that's not too bad |
| 17:22.31 | UtahDave | long term enterprise, probably not a good idea. Running your blog on linode, who knows? |
| 17:23.39 | beandog | you guys are wusses |
| 17:23.49 | josephscott | I might just bump to 12.10, that seems like an easier route to manage vs. adding a private package repo with modern PHP versions |
| 17:24.19 | DexterTheDragon | yeah! beandog emerges the latest software EVERY DAY |
| 17:24.49 | beandog | :B |
| 17:24.52 | beandog | We're not using Gentoo |
| 17:25.21 | tierra | I'm not one to talk, I still have one server running Debian 5.0 (lenny), heh |
| 17:25.23 | fungus | beandog, I'm still running a bunch of servers on 8.04. Going more than two years is def. possible. |
| 17:25.32 | fungus | tierra, nice. |
| 17:25.36 | beandog | fungus: ? I didn't say it wasn't |
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| 17:25.46 | UtahDave | 8.04 still has over a year of support left! |
| 17:25.56 | captbrogers | Hmmm Cinnamon desktop is kind of nice |
| 17:26.00 | fungus | exactly. that's why i like LTS |
| 17:26.30 | tierra | fungus: it's been dist-upgraded twice already (originally was 3.1 sarge)... I'm hesitant to push one more dist-upgrade, heh |
| 17:26.39 | tierra | just need a clean rebuild |
| 17:26.57 | fungus | wow, I agree, clean builds always feel good. |
| 17:27.22 | beandog | make distclean |
| 17:27.23 | fungus | it's nice to have your servers in a stable known state. |
| 17:27.44 | mgeary | hey, what would make apache not check for an .htaccess file in a directory? |
| 17:28.03 | tierra | AllowOverride rules on vhost config |
| 17:28.03 | beandog | mgeary: couple of things |
| 17:28.04 | captbrogers | mgeary: AllowOverride None |
| 17:28.10 | beandog | AllowOverride None |
| 17:28.16 | tierra | heh |
| 17:28.20 | beandog | And (rarely) it'd check for a different file than .htaccess |
| 17:28.27 | beandog | I'd like to do that someday ... just to be a BOFH |
| 17:28.33 | mgeary | i have AlloweOverride All in the vhost |
| 17:28.44 | beandog | typo? |
| 17:28.50 | mgeary | except spelled correctly |
| 17:28.51 | mgeary | :) |
| 17:28.55 | mgeary | AllowOverride All |
| 17:29.05 | tierra | file permissions? |
| 17:29.05 | beandog | what's in .htaccess |
| 17:29.14 | captbrogers | Secrets of the Universe |
| 17:29.16 | beandog | just check server logs |
| 17:29.19 | mgeary | right now just some garbage, to try to get the error to throw |
| 17:29.21 | beandog | captbrogers: lol |
| 17:29.24 | mgeary | it's not even checking it |
| 17:29.36 | mgeary | and when i hit it explicitly, it serves it up as plaintext |
| 17:29.52 | captbrogers | permissions? |
| 17:29.59 | tierra | hmmm... default Apache config usually serves 403 on .htaccess |
| 17:30.04 | mgeary | even though i have a FilesMatch directly to deny all those |
| 17:30.05 | mgeary | right |
| 17:30.19 | tierra | you must have some interesting default config setup |
| 17:31.01 | beandog | Are you sure you're not running IIS? |
| 17:31.03 | beandog | :) |
| 17:31.08 | tierra | haha |
| 17:31.18 | beandog | check with your doctor |
| 17:31.46 | tierra | yeah, make sure no-one slipped in some proxy rules ;) |
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| 17:35.26 | beandog | mgeary: try setting LogLevel to Debug |
| 17:37.05 | beandog | what do you guys set your Timeout to in apache? |
| 17:41.17 | tierra | I think 10 seconds |
| 17:41.44 | beandog | okay |
| 17:41.47 | beandog | good, mine's pretty low too |
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| 17:44.53 | tierra | beandog: nevermind, it's at 30 seconds... but it also looks like default is 300, heh |
| 17:45.17 | beandog | 300 is insane |
| 17:45.26 | tierra | yeah, that seems extreme |
| 17:46.37 | fungus | Not really. Imagine your app uses the long poll method to provide instant updates. 30 seconds isn't long enough |
| 17:46.51 | tierra | I was thinking of KeepAliveTimeout, which I have at 3! heh |
| 17:46.59 | tierra | "Lowering the ‘Timeout’ value will cause a long running script to terminate earlier than expected." |
| 17:47.12 | tierra | so yeah, I guess that should stay somewhat high |
| 17:48.00 | tierra | fungus: hopefully each poll runs super fast, otherwise I'd be more worried about other problems |
| 17:50.55 | tierra | you definitely have something built wrong if a basic 'live update' poll is taking more than 30 seconds per poll to return results |
| 17:51.31 | fungus | There is a technique that opens a single pull and processes data as it comes. The connection stays open the whole time. |
| 17:51.39 | fungus | Not sure how popular that method is. |
| 17:52.08 | fungus | It makes for very fast live updates. |
| 17:52.17 | tierra | phpBB has some pretty cool techniques for implementing way long running processes for various jobs when you're performing various maintenance and cleanup of large forums |
| 17:52.38 | fungus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_(programming) |
| 17:52.53 | tierra | yeah, that stuff usually takes advantage of keep-alive or websockets from what I've seen |
| 17:53.46 | tierra | in any case, your PHP requests will still be handled and closed normally |
| 17:57.08 | tierra | anyway, if you have something that for some reason relies on that PHP process staying open and flushing the output buffer on each update, you're still going to be hit by that default 5 mins |
| 17:57.36 | tierra | looks like Comet provides something to pop open another request and continue in that situation |
| 17:58.07 | fungus | yeah, but in any case, it's one example of a situation where a low Timeout would be bad. |
| 17:59.06 | tierra | well, leaving in high timeouts leaves you open to a specific type of DDoS too... pick your balance |
| 17:59.29 | tierra | that's probably why my keep-alive is set at 3 seconds right now |
| 17:59.42 | tierra | never bumped it back up after mitigating a past attack |
| 17:59.47 | mahelious | id heard of APE, Comet is new to me. looks like I have something to do this weekend |
| 18:03.02 | beandog | I don't even use keepalive |
| 18:04.54 | beandog | okay now my htaccess isn't getting processed. whut. |
| 18:05.17 | mindjuju | allow override? |
| 18:05.49 | tierra | at the least, you need AllowOverride AuthConfig specifically |
| 18:05.50 | mindjuju | i know i'm just jumping into the convo, but that's my guess |
| 18:05.57 | tierra | but "All" should have you covered |
| 18:06.49 | mindjuju | also i've heard, but don't know for myself that .htaccess hurts server performance and it's better to put it in http.conf |
| 18:07.01 | mindjuju | maybe tierra or fungus know better? |
| 18:07.13 | tierra | beandog: double check for a AccessFileName setting |
| 18:07.23 | beandog | oh nm |
| 18:07.32 | beandog | I think my DirectoryMatch syntax is wrong. |
| 18:07.33 | beandog | rawr. |
| 18:07.42 | beandog | <DirectoryMatch "^/home/.*/public_html"> |
| 18:09.26 | TuxToaster | $lart beandog |
| 18:09.26 | raifbot | gives beandog a good seeing to. |
| 18:11.43 | mindjuju | poor beandog, just can't get a break |
| 18:12.39 | fungus | mindjuju, it does a tiny bit, but not critically on most servers. |
| 18:13.05 | mindjuju | good to know |
| 18:13.31 | mindjuju | i was starting to wonder about ubuntu's thing where it has a site in each conf and they get enabled or disabled |
| 18:13.43 | mindjuju | was wondering if that was a hit instead of putting it in conf |
| 18:14.07 | fungus | A microscopic hit when you start apache. |
| 18:14.24 | mindjuju | oh gotcha, cause it only reads it once |
| 18:14.28 | fungus | yup |
| 18:14.37 | mindjuju | makes sense, where with .htaccess it is prolly always looking for it |
| 18:14.46 | fungus | that's why you have to run reload,graceful,restart every time you change it. |
| 18:14.56 | fungus | exactly |
| 18:15.11 | mindjuju | makes sense |
| 18:15.39 | tierra | I love that apache conf management setup btw |
| 18:16.00 | mindjuju | where you enmod or ensite thing? |
| 18:16.06 | tierra | loved it in debian for years, glad to see it was well adopted in Ubuntu too |
| 18:16.24 | tierra | well, that, but mostly just for the way it's organized and split up |
| 18:16.50 | tierra | but yeah, just disabling/enabling mods/sites is nice |
| 18:17.03 | mindjuju | i thought it was a few more steps, i'm starting to get used to CentOS way of things |
| 18:17.16 | mindjuju | maybe as i learn more, i'll enjoy the merits of the system |
| 18:17.56 | fungus | the enable/disable thing isn't all that fantastic, but separate files for each host is totally fantastic for sure. |
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| 18:28.21 | mindjuju | oh wow, looks like chase bank in orem got robbed |
| 18:28.22 | mindjuju | https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/68355_510680112277184_712409897_n.jpg |
| 18:29.14 | beandog | I know that guy! |
| 18:29.32 | beandog | That's Frank |
| 18:29.36 | beandog | he works in accounting. |
| 18:29.43 | mindjuju | heh |
| 18:30.05 | beandog | 352x240? |
| 18:30.08 | beandog | boy those are crappy images. |
| 18:30.22 | beandog | why don't they just use an old cell phone instead |
| 18:30.32 | mindjuju | well, that's just what they put on FB |
| 18:30.38 | mindjuju | i'm sure the real image is much better |
| 18:30.47 | herlo | beandog: are you sure theydon't have higher quality? I can't imagine it would be that small on the actual image |
| 18:31.01 | beandog | that's what the file says |
| 18:31.17 | herlo | FB probably limits the size for one, plus it's way less bits to upload |
| 18:31.32 | beandog | not the fb photo :B |
| 18:31.35 | beandog | it says *right there* |
| 18:31.40 | herlo | true |
| 18:31.45 | beandog | you people. |
| 18:31.47 | beandog | crazy talk. |
| 18:31.50 | herlo | but maybe they have more than one capture size |
| 18:32.01 | herlo | ever think of that? :) |
| 18:32.07 | mindjuju | for a bank, i'm sure they've got good cameras that can zoom in and see pock marks and zits |
| 18:32.13 | mindjuju | if needed |
| 18:32.14 | beandog | lol |
| 18:32.23 | beandog | mindjuju: they can offer loans and acne medicine at the same time |
| 18:32.55 | beandog | the guy didn't even try to cover himself |
| 18:32.57 | mindjuju | heck, few years back optikal (i think it was), was showing me camera feed where he could read license plates off cars like 50, 100ft away or something crazy |
| 18:33.00 | beandog | well, he did, but failed miserably |
| 18:33.28 | beandog | mindjuju: thats cool |
| 18:34.41 | beandog | "He was last seen on foot headed West towards Iggy's" |
| 18:34.45 | beandog | I wonder if he stopped for a bite |
| 18:34.49 | beandog | Nobody would expect that. |
| 18:34.57 | mindjuju | maybe he works at iggys |
| 18:35.03 | mindjuju | where is that, and is it any good? |
| 18:35.34 | beandog | how do you make a fb poll |
| 18:35.40 | beandog | I swear I saw the option the other day |
| 18:35.42 | herlo | iggy's is good |
| 18:36.02 | herlo | but it's a sports bar, so expect lots of TVs and loud speakers overhead on any night of the week |
| 18:36.08 | herlo | during the day it ain't bad |
| 18:36.10 | mindjuju | being on orem pd fb page, i get all the cool info |
| 18:36.19 | mindjuju | how many cars broken into, arrests, etc |
| 18:36.55 | beandog | meh, they're all apps. forget that. |
| 18:37.20 | mindjuju | no way, they answer q's if you have them |
| 18:37.35 | mindjuju | like the other day, i asked why you couldn't turn on a red at a particular corner |
| 18:38.01 | mindjuju | turns out, you can't turn right on a red when the opposite traffic has a double left turn lane |
| 18:38.03 | mindjuju | who knew? |
| 18:38.14 | beandog | pfft, forget that. |
| 18:38.36 | ninnypants | interesting why is that though? if no one is coming shouldn't it be fine? |
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| 18:38.58 | mindjuju | you know, i didn't follow up with that, but that's what she said |
| 18:39.13 | mindjuju | ~give beandog a piece of cheesecake |
| 18:39.13 | ibot | ACTION gives a piece of cheesecake to beandog |
| 18:39.26 | herlo | that must be a law specific to Orem |
| 18:39.37 | herlo | though I wouldn't doubt it being elsewhere, too. |
| 18:39.56 | mindjuju | man ever since i posted that video on slenderman, any body dressed in black draws my eye |
| 18:40.06 | mindjuju | :( |
| 18:49.37 | SunSparc | ~slenderman mindjuju |
| 19:01.55 | Bikerdan1 | ~gangnam mindjuju |
| 19:02.37 | DexterTheDragon | ~mindjuju mindjuju |
| 19:03.16 | Bikerdan1 | ~gangnamstyle mindjuju |
| 19:03.31 | Bikerdan1 | ~mind mindjuju |
| 19:05.19 | beandog | cheesecake ... mmmm |
| 19:06.02 | DexterTheDragon | ~cheesecake beandog |
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| 19:19.50 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Did you see my message to you on FB? |
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| 20:19.30 | mindjuju | srry SunSparc, just getting back from meeting, this week has been a whirlwind |
| 20:19.36 | mindjuju | i'll check it out here ina min |
| 20:20.06 | SunSparc | ~calm mindjuju |
| 20:20.06 | ibot | ACTION sooths mindjuju, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm mindjuju down. |
| 20:20.44 | mindjuju | it's funy you say that, with a little exception here shortly, everything should start scaling back significantly |
| 20:21.08 | SunSparc | Vacation! |
| 20:25.58 | ninnypants | mindjuju: how has halloween been so far? |
| 20:26.14 | mindjuju | busy, but servers held up this year |
| 20:26.36 | ninnypants | that's good was going to ask if any had melted |
| 20:27.13 | mindjuju | not this year, we did ok, the problems we had weren't avoidable; comcast issue with their routers connecting in with L3 |
| 20:27.21 | mindjuju | my boss understands it though |
| 20:27.40 | ninnypants | that's good |
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| 20:28.43 | ninnypants | mindjuju: did you make Comcast compensate you? |
| 20:28.45 | mindjuju | sometimes its good to have a friends as powerful as fungus and herlo and peno |
| 20:32.15 | fungus | I have a separate server in a separate datacenter that uses a cron job to run the check_nagios plugin |
| 20:33.01 | mindjuju | i'm using my personal linode in Dallas and one i've got some clients on in Cali to check outside of CCraze |
| 20:33.24 | fungus | nice |
| 20:33.35 | mindjuju | learned from the best ;) |
| 20:35.35 | herlo | lol |
| 20:36.14 | herlo | especially not with this silly virtualization functionality. |
| 20:36.23 | fungus | hehe |
| 20:36.42 | mindjuju | that dance those guys are doing, i'm doing that same dance for you bro |
| 20:37.01 | mindjuju | no red shoes though |
| 20:37.17 | herlo | lol |
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| 21:18.46 | SunSparc | ~friday |
| 21:18.56 | SunSparc | ~friday ibot |
| 21:18.57 | ibot | ACTION locks ibot in Friday forever, Groundhog's Day style |
| 21:19.31 | SunSparc | Hmm... infinite loop recursion. |
| 21:20.04 | SunSparc | That would be an infinity of infinities. |
| 21:20.34 | clondon | That's better than being locked in Friday forever Rebecca Black style! |
| 21:20.37 | mindjuju | i wonder if they'll make a Groundhog Day 2 |
| 21:20.53 | mindjuju | they seem to be making sequels for any move that didn't lose money |
| 21:21.07 | SunSparc | clondon: True. |
| 21:21.19 | clondon | It's been so long, I could see a remake but not sequel |
| 21:21.33 | peno | i have no power |
| 21:21.35 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Hold your tongue, that would be blasphemy. |
| 21:21.48 | SunSparc | ~power peno |
| 21:21.48 | ibot | ACTION plugs peno into three-phase power |
| 21:21.52 | mindjuju | not if he was trapped in the same day in the multiverse |
| 21:21.58 | mindjuju | every day jumping from node to node |
| 21:22.01 | SunSparc | lol |
| 21:22.06 | mindjuju | things mostly the same but slightly different |
| 21:22.12 | SunSparc | Groundhog Day Dr. Who style... |
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| 21:34.03 | mindjuju | turn it up good and loud, and crank the subwoof |
| 21:34.18 | mindjuju | it don't disappoint |
| 21:35.44 | mindjuju | it's like NOS for the brain |
| 21:36.25 | mindjuju | i'd be surprised if you don't jump out of your chair and write 1000 lines of code like a poet |
| 21:39.07 | SunSparc | Heh, I code to electronic that is a bit more mellow... http://old.thesixtyone.com/#/s/ddLJZIH4FwD/ |
| 21:40.01 | mindjuju | oh gotcha |
| 21:40.16 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:40.21 | mindjuju | i thought you said DJ Da Hool link was mellow :) |
| 21:40.35 | mindjuju | this is good for afternoon work |
| 21:40.42 | SunSparc | lol, yeah, he was way too mellow for me. |
| 21:40.52 | mindjuju | i need spicy in the mornings |
| 21:41.13 | SunSparc | To waky you up until you catch your second wind? |
| 21:41.21 | SunSparc | lol, wake even |
| 21:42.03 | mindjuju | yup |
| 21:42.33 | SunSparc | Good call. Better for ya. |
| 21:42.43 | SunSparc | Music is my drug of choice. |
| 21:44.17 | SunSparc | ~stats SunSparc |
| 21:44.37 | mgeary | hey |
| 21:44.44 | SunSparc | ~hey mgeary |
| 21:44.57 | mgeary | i thought cross-domain JS requests were supposed to be no problem if the top-level domain was the same. Is that not the case? |
| 21:45.47 | SunSparc | tld = eg .com |
| 21:45.57 | mgeary | okay, second-level |
| 21:45.59 | mgeary | foo.com |
| 21:46.00 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:46.39 | SunSparc | Hmm... I have not had a problem doing jquery calls on the same domain. |
| 21:47.09 | SunSparc | But I have not really tried any cross-domain calls. |
| 21:48.08 | SunSparc | mgeary: Google seems to have several articles on it: https://www.google.com/search?q=cross-domain+JS+requests |
| 21:48.41 | mgeary | well, i should be more specific |
| 21:48.43 | SunSparc | "Cross Origin Resource Sharing", new phrase for me. |
| 21:48.52 | mgeary | i'm loading images from another server, and that works just fine |
| 21:49.12 | mgeary | but accessing the image data for those images via javascript/canvas is giving security errors |
| 21:50.17 | SunSparc | If you load the images, you should already have the images locally. Right? Or is it just streaming them? |
| 21:53.45 | mgeary | i do have the images locally |
| 21:54.09 | SunSparc | Well, I mean locally to the JS. What are the security errors saying? |
| 21:54.19 | mgeary | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9972049/cross-origin-data-in-html5-canvas |
| 21:54.32 | mgeary | Chrome says, "Unable to get image data from canvas because the canvas has been tainted by cross-origin data." |
| 21:54.49 | mgeary | supposedly the fix is to pass a header along with the image, but that doesn't appear to work |
| 21:55.01 | mgeary | i confirmed that the header is (now) present |
| 21:56.20 | SunSparc | And it still does not help? |
| 21:57.32 | mgeary | nope |
| 21:59.33 | SunSparc | "The origin is determined by domain and protocol (e.g. http and https are not the same) of the webpage and not the location of the script." |
| 21:59.42 | SunSparc | I assume you are not crossing protocols. |
| 21:59.46 | mgeary | nope |
| 22:10.02 | SunSparc | mgeary: Sorry, had to get back to work. |
| 22:10.10 | mgeary | me too |
| 22:10.14 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:10.23 | SunSparc | ~work mgeary |
| 22:10.23 | ibot | ACTION looks over the shoulder of mgeary to see what needs to be done and then sets the elves to work getting it all done so mgeary can play bzflag |
| 22:10.36 | mgeary | but yeah, i need to get my environment set up so i can repro this |
| 22:10.51 | mgeary | until then i can't test any other proposed fixes |
| 22:10.59 | SunSparc | So you are having the problems on your local dev env? |
| 22:11.09 | mgeary | not yet, 'cause it's all on a single domain |
| 22:11.14 | SunSparc | Right |
| 22:11.30 | SunSparc | So you need to setup some vhosts. |
| 22:14.51 | carmony | hows everyone doing? |
| 22:17.09 | beandog | meh |
| 22:17.14 | beandog | ~lart centos |
| 22:17.14 | ibot | throws centos's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 22:17.18 | beandog | lol |
| 22:17.20 | beandog | I needed that |
| 22:17.30 | carmony | .lol |
| 22:17.59 | beandog | hows life carmony |
| 22:18.11 | carmony | pretty good! |
| 22:18.17 | carmony | just enjoying being a dad right now :) |
| 22:18.22 | mindjuju | how is Marshall? |
| 22:18.22 | SunSparc | carmony: I am well. How is c.2? |
| 22:18.25 | mindjuju | has he spoken yet? |
| 22:18.29 | beandog | lol |
| 22:18.33 | mindjuju | have him coding PHP? |
| 22:18.39 | carmony | no coding yet |
| 22:18.53 | mindjuju | When is he speaking at OSCON? |
| 22:18.53 | carmony | I was thinking about using him for testing |
| 22:18.53 | carmony | lay him on my keyboar |
| 22:18.56 | carmony | and see what happens |
| 22:19.18 | beandog | carmony: http://www.icanhasbottle.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/090509_nerds_breed_icanhasbottle.jpg |
| 22:19.41 | SunSparc | heh |
| 22:19.44 | mindjuju | awesome |
| 22:20.18 | carmony | that is awesome |
| 22:20.21 | SunSparc | HP should probably be PP for Poop Points |
| 22:21.36 | beandog | I see what you did there. |
| 22:21.45 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:22.00 | beandog | took me a second |
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| 22:25.06 | beandog | mindjuju's youtube skills are unparalleled |
| 22:30.34 | carmony | I will be showing that to Joanna shortly |
| 22:30.41 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:30.48 | SunSparc | beandog: so true |
| 22:31.10 | beandog | ~mindjuju++ |
| 22:31.11 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Here is some more mellow electronica http://old.thesixtyone.com/#/s/2fppzfsEDsF/ |
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| 22:44.42 | ninnypants | mgeary: did you figure out your cross domain image and canvas problem? |
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| 22:58.11 | mgeary | no |
| 22:58.22 | mgeary | just now trying to set up a repro environment |
| 22:59.21 | mgeary | but i'm very peeved that it's an issue at ALL, when the domain is the same :S |
| 22:59.34 | ninnypants | the domain is the same? |
| 22:59.39 | ninnypants | so subdomain? |
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| 23:01.54 | mgeary | yep |
| 23:02.25 | SunSparc | Well, technically, sub-domains equate to completely different sites. |
| 23:03.17 | mgeary | yes, but i thought i read somewhere it was supported as an acknowledgement of a "safe relationship" |
| 23:03.20 | mgeary | but that was a while ago |
| 23:04.17 | ninnypants | mgeary: I don't think I've ever been able to make an ajax request across a subdomain only samedomain |
| 23:04.51 | ninnypants | I think your best bet is data urls if you can't move to the same domain |
| 23:05.04 | mgeary | well, again, these are images, not ajax calls |
| 23:07.52 | ninnypants | same js security though of not being able to make requests across domains |
| 23:08.05 | mgeary | it *requests* the image just fine |
| 23:08.15 | mgeary | it just can't do crap with it |
| 23:08.18 | mgeary | bah |
| 23:08.33 | mgeary | it can display it, but not munge it |
| 23:08.55 | SunSparc | Can it save the file? |
| 23:09.17 | mgeary | like how? |
| 23:10.17 | SunSparc | To a filesystem? The browser cache, a tmp directory, or something where it can then call the file with the same domain. Just thinking out loud. |
| 23:10.36 | mgeary | javascript can't do that |
| 23:10.51 | SunSparc | Oh, I got an idea. Have the JS, call a serverside method that does what you want. |
| 23:10.55 | mgeary | yeah, i know what you mean. But this *should* be possible through the front door |
| 23:11.25 | SunSparc | Yeah, like the Flash crossdomain.xml file. |
| 23:11.53 | mgeary | yeah |
| 23:12.07 | mgeary | still working on repro-ing it in my environment |
| 23:15.56 | josephscott | $lart all the things |
| 23:15.56 | raifbot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps all the things. |
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| 23:24.33 | fungus | pet peeve: some people use "MAC" to refer to the Mac. it's not an acronym, stop it. |
| 23:26.05 | SunSparc | lol |
| 23:26.30 | SunSparc | MAC is a network interface identifier. |
| 23:26.48 | fungus | exactly. Completely different meaning. |
| 23:27.09 | SunSparc | Then there is the Newbold kind of Mac. |
| 23:28.06 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:39.12 | mgeary | ok. i can repro it now |
| 23:44.28 | mgeary | is the header_mod included by default in apache? |
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| 23:50.33 | ninnypants | I don't have access to a computer, how can I register? http://www.maceys.com/shopping-at-maceys/perks |
| 23:50.44 | ninnypants | why is that in a FAQ on a website... |
| 23:56.33 | SunSparc | lol |
| 23:56.51 | SunSparc | For people who print out web sites to view them offline. ;) |
