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| 03:47.27 | undertakingyou | I am getting a parse error on line 3 and I can't see why. Am I doing something wrong in my array? http://pastie.org/5033266 |
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| 04:35.14 | herlo | ~lolstats |
| 04:35.14 | ibot | total count of lol on #uphpu: 5050. Top 3: TuxToaster -- 931 (18.4%), herlo -- 553 (11.0%), carmony -- 552 (10.9%) |
| 04:35.21 | herlo | ooh, by 1 :) |
| 04:35.35 | herlo | that undertakingyou is sneaky! |
| 04:51.12 | carmony | lol.... |
| 04:51.13 | carmony | :P |
| 04:52.48 | herlo | carmony: I'm okay with being tied :) |
| 04:52.53 | josephscott | ~lolstats |
| 04:52.53 | ibot | total count of lol on #uphpu: 5050. Top 3: TuxToaster -- 931 (18.4%), herlo -- 553 (11.0%), carmony -- 552 (10.9%) |
| 04:53.09 | herlo | oh, right... |
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| 15:35.54 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 15:35.54 | raifbot | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up jnbek. |
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| 15:36.33 | TuxToaster | lol |
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| 16:39.12 | hhatfield | $rlart |
| 16:39.12 | raifbot | judo chops unum. |
| 16:39.15 | hhatfield | ~rlart |
| 16:39.15 | ibot | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at clondon |
| 16:40.51 | itimber | ~uninstall gore module |
| 16:40.57 | itimber | hmm |
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| 18:02.41 | Skinner | It's almost Friday |
| 18:02.48 | captbrogers | Not it isn't |
| 18:02.50 | Skinner | oh |
| 18:02.56 | Skinner | http://goo.gl/4hI6N |
| 18:03.07 | captbrogers | I refuse to click on that link |
| 18:03.51 | captbrogers | This is the Argument Clinic, isn't it? |
| 18:04.06 | Skinner | Nope |
| 18:06.17 | captbrogers | I'm pretty sure it is |
| 18:09.42 | Skinner | Well you're right. It isn't the argument clinic. I was wrong sorry. |
| 18:12.55 | captbrogers | You aren't sorry |
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| 18:18.47 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:33.59 | fungus | http://meta.slashdot.org/story/12/10/11/0030249/linus-torvalds-answers-your-questions |
| 18:34.13 | fungus | Interesting interview full of fun one-liners. |
| 18:34.29 | fungus | "I personally refuse to use a machine that has those nasty platters of spinning rust in them." |
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| 18:54.56 | captbrogers | I don't know about Linus, he seems like one of those people who are too smart for their own good |
| 18:55.17 | captbrogers | He's like another version of Steve Jobs, smart but far too crass and arrogant for my liking |
| 18:57.08 | fungus | he's actually not that bad on the average. It's just that his blowouts are always epic, though they are rare. |
| 18:58.25 | fungus | It's just the epic blowouts that everyone talks about because the rest is so mundane. |
| 18:58.33 | TuxToaster | fungus: I think the issue is that they're so well documented |
| 18:58.41 | fungus | exactly. |
| 18:58.57 | TuxToaster | everyone can read any part of what he says, with or without context |
| 18:59.28 | TuxToaster | but agreed with captbrogers, he can be ridiculously arrogant at times. |
| 19:00.02 | fungus | "Quite frankly, there are a lot of f*cking morons on the internet." - Linus |
| 19:00.11 | fungus | :) lol |
| 19:00.12 | TuxToaster | I think in general he's not too bad with that, but if he's passionate about something he makes it known |
| 19:00.12 | captbrogers | Maybe it's out of jealousy, haters gonna hate an' all, but I really think arrogance is a fast way to show me that you aren't worth much of my respect |
| 19:00.14 | TuxToaster | exactly |
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| 19:02.17 | fungus | If you read that full interview, you can see that he is pretty tame and mundane most of the time. It's only a few topics that he has strong opinions about when it becomes fun. |
| 19:02.39 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 19:02.47 | TuxToaster | things like notes in git. |
| 19:02.54 | captbrogers | You can have passion and be very heavily opinionated without being a jerk about it |
| 19:03.21 | Skinner | Obsessing about things is important, and things really do matter, but if you can't let go of them, you'll end up crazy. |
| 19:03.32 | fungus | right, it's possible, but rare. |
| 19:04.01 | captbrogers | I can't buy into an idea that if you are passionate and successful about something, people just say you are eccentric. If you aren't successful, then you are just plain mean. So the key to letting people to accept your ego is success? |
| 19:04.13 | fungus | I think most people that are very heavily opinionated can become jerks about it. |
| 19:04.38 | captbrogers | fungus, that is a completely misguided thing to say about people like me. I can't believe you.... |
| 19:04.46 | captbrogers | :) |
| 19:04.50 | fungus | lol |
| 19:04.53 | TuxToaster | lol |
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| 19:05.18 | fungus | But you are right about the success aspect affecting the perception of eccentricity. |
| 19:06.23 | TuxToaster | there's one way to solve this |
| 19:06.27 | captbrogers | It's almost as if society has complacently and implicitly taught us that you can be a huge jerk at times to anyone you want, so long as you are successful at what you do |
| 19:06.30 | TuxToaster | $8ball is Linus a jerk? |
| 19:06.30 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Yes. |
| 19:06.35 | TuxToaster | no hesitation. |
| 19:06.49 | captbrogers | There you go then. I was going to ask if it was going to be a robot fight, but raifbot works just as well |
| 19:06.50 | TuxToaster | $8ball are you opinionated? |
| 19:06.50 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Signs point to yes. |
| 19:07.05 | TuxToaster | $8ball does that make you a jerk? |
| 19:07.07 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Yes. |
| 19:07.10 | TuxToaster | 3/3. |
| 19:07.17 | captbrogers | $ball am I a jerk? |
| 19:07.21 | captbrogers | ... |
| 19:07.22 | TuxToaster | missed the 8 |
| 19:07.25 | captbrogers | $8ball am I a jerk |
| 19:07.26 | raifbot | captbrogers - Outlook good. |
| 19:07.28 | TuxToaster | or he's scared of you |
| 19:07.29 | Skinner | $8ball you have a crush on Linus don't you? |
| 19:07.29 | raifbot | Skinner - My reply is no. |
| 19:07.34 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:07.37 | captbrogers | Wait, does that mean I'm not or I am? |
| 19:07.48 | TuxToaster | $8ball is captbrogers a jerk? |
| 19:07.49 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Don't count on it. |
| 19:07.49 | captbrogers | $8ball can you clarify on that, am I a huge jerk? |
| 19:07.49 | raifbot | captbrogers - My reply is no. |
| 19:07.58 | captbrogers | Horray! 2/2 says I'm not |
| 19:08.00 | TuxToaster | double win for you. |
| 19:08.16 | Skinner | $8ball if you don't have a crush on him. Do you despise him? |
| 19:08.17 | raifbot | Skinner - Very doubtful. |
| 19:08.28 | Skinner | ah neutral |
| 19:08.46 | Skinner | $8ball Will you make me a sandwich? |
| 19:08.47 | raifbot | Skinner - Signs point to yes. |
| 19:08.58 | Skinner | $8ball make me a sandwich |
| 19:08.58 | raifbot | Skinner - Signs point to yes. |
| 19:09.08 | captbrogers | $8ball sudo make me a sammich |
| 19:09.09 | raifbot | captbrogers - It is decidedly so. |
| 19:09.24 | Skinner | captbrogers: He doesn't get it I guess |
| 19:09.34 | Skinner | 48ball you don't even have hands do you? |
| 19:09.43 | Skinner | $8ball you don't even have hands do you? |
| 19:09.44 | captbrogers | 48ball? |
| 19:09.44 | raifbot | Skinner - Ask again later. |
| 19:09.49 | Skinner | he's growing them |
| 19:10.00 | TuxToaster | ~sudo raifbot |
| 19:10.01 | ibot | raifbot: sudo make tuxtoaster a sandwich. |
| 19:11.39 | captbrogers | All this talk of sandwiches is making me hungry. I'm going to grab some subway, brb |
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| 19:29.10 | Skinner | $8ball is byu going to win their game on saturday? |
| 19:29.11 | raifbot | Skinner - Cannot predict now. |
| 19:29.18 | Skinner | pfft |
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| 19:35.42 | josePHPagoda | mindjuju_: what's up? |
| 19:48.12 | ninnypants | so the wife read mint for the first time and though the amount remaining in the budget was the amount we had in the bank, so she brought up that we only had $900 in the bank and scared the crap out of me |
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| 20:03.00 | Skinner | ninnypants: how do you like mint? |
| 20:06.14 | TuxToaster | mostly because the one thing I found it useful for was the alerts when things change |
| 20:06.41 | TuxToaster | but they are consistently outdated, so I get notices on Friday of what my balance was LAST Friday |
| 20:08.17 | Skinner | TuxToaster: That's been my experience as well |
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| 20:08.21 | fungus | Tux, I don't have that problem. In fact, I often get my over-budget alerts very quickly after a spending spree |
| 20:08.50 | fungus | Really destroys my spending spree high. :( |
| 20:09.28 | TuxToaster | fungus: on spending alerts I see them a day or two later often |
| 20:09.40 | TuxToaster | Pageonce isn't bad, it's at least more reliable |
| 20:09.58 | TuxToaster | I think the problem with both of them really is they aren't designed to get up-to-the-minute updates of your account |
| 20:10.08 | TuxToaster | so they often only pull in the account when you log in |
| 20:10.27 | TuxToaster | so if you log in daily you're more likely to see current updates than if you only log in once a week |
| 20:10.31 | fungus | right. They aren't meant for up to the minute. |
| 20:10.51 | TuxToaster | I figured with Mint that having the app they have running on my Mac would cause them to be at least more current though |
| 20:13.51 | fungus | It's tons better than trying to use Quicken or some other app like it. |
| 20:14.39 | ninnypants | Mint is always pretty up to date but the Android app sucks |
| 20:14.53 | ninnypants | I never get up to date info through it but I do on my ipad |
| 20:15.07 | fungus | ~andorid-- |
| 20:15.25 | captbrogers | Pfft, Android is great, what are you doing downgrading it? |
| 20:15.46 | captbrogers | Geez fungus, don't you know us eccentric yet brilliant people use Android? |
| 20:15.58 | fungus | lol |
| 20:16.26 | fungus | Android community used to use the market share excuse for not having better apps for a long time. Now that excuse is gone, what's the next excuse? |
| 20:19.39 | fungus | Android does have lots of benefits, but quality apps in general is not one of them. |
| 20:19.58 | DexterTheDragon | hipster developers that don't want to step outside their apple bubble? |
| 20:20.10 | captbrogers | What constitutes as "quality"? Define then then we can proceed to you being wrong |
| 20:20.13 | captbrogers | I mean, discuss things. |
| 20:20.26 | Skinner | quality = No free pie |
| 20:20.47 | Skinner | so fungus is saying android apps don't come with free pie |
| 20:20.52 | Skinner | i hafta agree with him |
| 20:22.24 | fungus | example 1: "Mint is always pretty up to date but the Android app sucks |
| 20:22.24 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 20:22.24 | raifbot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats knicholes until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with. |
| 20:22.25 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.56 | Skinner | pie |
| 20:23.07 | Skinner | {{ ALIENS }} |
| 20:23.32 | TuxToaster | captbrogers: lol |
| 20:23.36 | SunSparc | Talking about budget apps? I use YNAB. Love it. |
| 20:25.08 | TuxToaster | my only real complaints with Android are the fact that so many apps implement things differently (there is less uniformity in the UI as well as hard buttons, etc) |
| 20:25.29 | fungus | example 2 ^^ |
| 20:25.39 | TuxToaster | and that at least in Gingerbread it seemed to be stuck in the mindset that only phones were devices, not tablets |
| 20:25.52 | Skinner | SunSparc: Why do you like YNAB? (Haven't heard of it before) |
| 20:26.05 | TuxToaster | though that may have changed in more recent builds, haven't used them heavily enough to have noticed that side |
| 20:26.24 | Skinner | captbrogers: and I can't run the android apps on my wireless.... |
| 20:26.26 | Skinner | ....mouse |
| 20:26.27 | captbrogers | TuxToaster: Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean have changed that |
| 20:26.35 | TuxToaster | I figured they might have |
| 20:26.40 | Skinner | I even tried the Jelly Cream Sandwich build |
| 20:26.43 | captbrogers | I know their adoption rate is low, but still, they are working towards it |
| 20:27.17 | TuxToaster | but the consistency bit is annoying. I have a rooted Nook, and it's a tossup as to whether the back button will take me back a screen, back to the home screen of the app, close a popup, or even just exit the app |
| 20:27.30 | fungus | lol, and unless you have a Nexus branded device, don't expect to get updates either timely or for very long. |
| 20:27.41 | captbrogers | And I feel that I'd rather buy a phone that will improve on things, not act as though they've made a breakthrough when they copy someone else (make a phone longer!) or screw up a very necessary app (Apple Maps) |
| 20:27.44 | captbrogers | Bazinga |
| 20:27.56 | captbrogers | fungus: That is Verizon's fault |
| 20:27.59 | TuxToaster | I will say for development Android is MUCH easier to get an app working on a physical device though |
| 20:28.04 | TuxToaster | assuming you can get ADB up and running |
| 20:28.06 | captbrogers | It took them two months to get Jelly Bean available |
| 20:28.08 | fungus | captbrogers, nope, happens on all carriers |
| 20:28.27 | captbrogers | fungus: Then it isn't Google's fault |
| 20:28.30 | mindjuju_ | josePHPagoda - send PM, i'm not around my desk very often these days |
| 20:28.43 | captbrogers | But that's why I use the built in feature to root my phone then install Cyanogenmod |
| 20:28.45 | Skinner | Christopher Columbus + Apple Maps: http://9gag.com/gag/5533593 |
| 20:28.54 | fungus | captbrogers, why not? Apple is able to do it. Why can't other device makers? |
| 20:29.18 | TuxToaster | Skinner: lol |
| 20:29.21 | captbrogers | fungus: Because of the contract restraints they chose to put in place, that isn't something Google did |
| 20:29.22 | TuxToaster | ~skinner Apple |
| 20:29.22 | ibot | ACTION buries Apple in a giant waterfall... WHOOOOSH! |
| 20:29.42 | captbrogers | If they did, then you'd see Android powered phones more like an iPhone, one model, one maker |
| 20:29.50 | fungus | captbrogers, also many android phones have firmware locked down. |
| 20:29.58 | captbrogers | Being Java based, they can run on almost anything, that's something key to Android |
| 20:30.28 | captbrogers | fungus: But once again, that's usually the manufacturer, not Google |
| 20:30.39 | fungus | I never blamed Google directly. |
| 20:30.59 | fungus | I'm just mentioning drawbacks of Android devices in general. |
| 20:31.21 | TuxToaster | as far as the Apple Maps thing goes, I think Apple could have handled the situation better, for sure... too rushed. BUT, the decision to not allow turn-by-turn directions is squarely on Google in that argument, IMO. |
| 20:31.43 | TuxToaster | they might have it in Android, but none of their Maps API licenses allow use of it outside of Android. |
| 20:31.45 | fungus | I can mention many many benefits of Android as well, but that's preaching to the choir and hence... boring. |
| 20:32.09 | captbrogers | fungus: It isn't boring, it validates my opinion and perception of reality. So please, preach on. |
| 20:32.10 | fungus | TuxToaster, agreed completely. |
| 20:32.46 | TuxToaster | which I think is silly. what if I want to write an app for use on a laptop that gives you directions? Sure, it's not as convienent as a phone app, but why can't I use their API to accomplish that? |
| 20:32.52 | fungus | Though after totaling all the benefits and drawbacks, IMHO iOS wins over Android. |
| 20:33.12 | fungus | Not by a whole lot, but it does. |
| 20:33.15 | fungus | for me. |
| 20:33.29 | captbrogers | But that's the kicker, for you. For me? Android wins hands down |
| 20:33.46 | captbrogers | My dad and my sister-in-law should never touch an Android because of the way they work |
| 20:34.00 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 20:34.18 | captbrogers | But when I touch an iPhone, things tend to break because I try to change settings. I hear the HAL 2000 voice, "Brian, I can't let you change things..." |
| 20:34.22 | fungus | One crucial benefit I miss from Android. WiFi spectrum analyzer app. |
| 20:34.25 | fungus | :( |
| 20:34.33 | UtahDave | fungus: I use that app all the time! |
| 20:35.17 | UtahDave | I stopped trying to evangelize android a long time ago. |
| 20:35.21 | fungus | Yeah, I would too. have to grab a spare android phone for that. |
| 20:35.51 | UtahDave | When someone asks whether they should get an iphone or an android, I tell them to go to a store and try them out. Buy whichever you like |
| 20:36.27 | UtahDave | I've found that people tend to either really like one or the other and trying to get them to try the other is a waste of time. |
| 20:37.12 | fungus | that's often true. |
| 20:38.12 | captbrogers | You both are so evidently wrong in this case. Being an eccentric genius, I would always recommend Android. If they say it is too hard to understand, I ask them why they are using a phone at all. Then I throw something dense at their head. |
| 20:38.27 | captbrogers | But you all have to just sigh and accept it, because I'm wildly successful in life |
| 20:40.01 | ninnypants | how're the renovations coming along anyway captbrogers |
| 20:40.27 | captbrogers | ninnypants, I got my kids to use the toilet, could you drop the pee smell thing? |
| 20:40.51 | captbrogers | Things are almost sealed up, the basement may need another coat in one room. I don't know how the people lived in that house before us |
| 20:40.51 | ninnypants | that is pretty successful |
| 20:41.25 | ninnypants | captbrogers: that's good I need to do that to our house when we replace the carpet |
| 20:45.02 | captbrogers | Talk to people at Home Depot/Lowes |
| 20:45.10 | captbrogers | They'll tell you which type of Killz you need to get |
| 20:45.38 | captbrogers | I'd honestly recommend it to anyone who is going to do a put on a new coat of paint or new carpet |
| 20:46.47 | ninnypants | captbrogers: is it just a sealant? |
| 20:50.44 | macnewbold | primer |
| 20:52.57 | captbrogers | primer and sealant in one |
| 20:53.09 | captbrogers | It's like head'n'shoulder for that stinky odor in your floors and walls |
| 20:53.19 | beandog | utahcon: never heard of movie pass before. Sounds like Columbia House for movie theaters. You hope you don't get ripped off. |
| 20:56.34 | unum | my brother used it and said it really helped |
| 20:56.47 | unum | our concrete didn't smell bad so I didn't worry about it |
| 20:57.17 | unum | but the carpet only had the smell of dander |
| 20:57.52 | SunSparc | Skinner: Sorry, stepped away. I like YNAB because it is well made, well supported, has a good community, company provides free financial training, the product is slick, the mobile app integrates/syncs really well. |
| 20:58.47 | SunSparc | mindjuju_, and whoever else likes techno, try Sonaris out on T61: http://old.thesixtyone.com/#/Sonaris |
| 20:59.44 | unum | sooooooooo tired |
| 20:59.57 | unum | after getting off work at my second job I need to fertilize my lawn |
| 21:00.05 | SunSparc | ~rest unum |
| 21:00.10 | unum | so I'll be out there at 10 o'clock at night fertilizing |
| 21:00.23 | unum | because I also have to stop by my old place and pcik up some more stuff |
| 21:01.10 | DexterTheDragon | SunSparc: Compatible with Windows and Mac..... that's too bad |
| 21:01.25 | unum | and my tile still isn't laid :( |
| 21:03.09 | SunSparc | DexterTheDragon: Yeah, they need a Linux version. But the problem is that they use Adobe Air for cross platform. |
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| 21:03.55 | Bikerdan | Air doesn't work on Linux? |
| 21:04.16 | DexterTheDragon | nope |
| 21:04.58 | DexterTheDragon | it never worked on linux even when they were building it for linux |
| 21:05.29 | SunSparc | Do any Adobe products work on Linux? ;) |
| 21:05.35 | DexterTheDragon | nope |
| 21:05.42 | SunSparc | Exactly |
| 21:06.31 | DexterTheDragon | flash has worked ok (for being flash) the past couple years, but they've canned that too |
| 21:07.12 | SunSparc | Yeah, my feeling is that Flash is out the door. Seems like HTML5/CSS3 is making sure of that. |
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| 21:21.34 | mindjuju_ | so rDNS can only resolve to exactly 1 domain? what if my IP addy has several domains? |
| 21:21.56 | beandog | then pick a cool name |
| 21:22.09 | unum | pick the one you send the most mail from |
| 21:22.11 | mindjuju_ | sup beandog, haven't seen you in a while |
| 21:22.20 | mindjuju_ | unum :( |
| 21:22.21 | beandog | mindjuju_: busy buns |
| 21:22.33 | beandog | mindjuju_: I just usually go with whatever the hosting provider gives me. |
| 21:22.42 | unum | some mail systems check stuff like that |
| 21:22.42 | beandog | li442-45.members.linode.com |
| 21:23.25 | unum | I made mine match what my mail server uses when it sends out emails |
| 21:24.06 | beandog | SunSparc: migrating out has nothing to do with the ton of sites that are not going to replace working instances |
| 21:24.18 | beandog | we'll need flash support forever |
| 21:24.22 | mindjuju_ | so what if you're sending email out as mail.example.com (from the smtp server), and sending emails with the name@example2.com addy |
| 21:24.27 | tierra | open up IPv6, and you can feel great about using a customized rDNS for everything (see /whois tierra) |
| 21:24.33 | beandog | mindjuju_: use sendgrid. headaches = gone |
| 21:24.35 | utahcon | beandog: I am probably not going to do it |
| 21:24.43 | utahcon | I don't have the free time to give to movies right now |
| 21:24.49 | utahcon | in theory it is a great idea |
| 21:24.52 | beandog | utahcon: I hate stuff where when you sign up you have to do it right to get a good deal |
| 21:25.29 | utahcon | beandog: it is what it is ... unlimited movies (1 per day, 1 viewing per movie) for a flat fee. In my case $29.99 a month. |
| 21:25.40 | SunSparc | beandog: ? |
| 21:25.45 | utahcon | At $8.75 a ticket... if you go to 4 movies a month it pays for itself. |
| 21:25.48 | beandog | SunSparc: I have no idea what my point was. |
| 21:25.55 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:25.56 | SunSparc | ok |
| 21:26.09 | unum | mindjuju_: I think you want rdns to match the helo addres |
| 21:26.13 | unum | and that works most of the time |
| 21:26.21 | SunSparc | ~blink beandog |
| 21:26.21 | ibot | ACTION sends 1000 bzmails in rapid succession to beandog's account, crashing his computer, network and entire ISP! *blink* *blink* *blink* |
| 21:26.35 | unum | I have to put exceptions in our filter all the time because people don't have it set up like that |
| 21:26.35 | beandog | bzmails? |
| 21:26.35 | mindjuju_ | beandog, utahcon, yall talking about netflix? |
| 21:26.39 | beandog | mindjuju_: no |
| 21:26.39 | unum | but our server requires they doy |
| 21:26.42 | beandog | movie pass |
| 21:26.52 | beandog | ~bzmail |
| 21:27.18 | unum | took me <36 te set up my roku so I could watch netflix after I moved |
| 21:27.29 | unum | soon after the couch was in place :) |
| 21:27.37 | mindjuju_ | roku rocks |
| 21:27.53 | beandog | roku++ |
| 21:27.58 | Skinner | roku++ |
| 21:28.11 | mindjuju_ | moviepass looks interesting, but there has to be a catch,r ight? i mean do they send you to the armpit times to watch a movie? Monday at 10a? |
| 21:28.32 | beandog | mindjuju_: what are you talking about? *nobody* would be there then. |
| 21:28.36 | beandog | that'd be awesome. |
| 21:28.46 | mindjuju_ | yeah, if i could get off work, school, etc |
| 21:28.48 | beandog | oh |
| 21:28.49 | beandog | right. |
| 21:28.51 | mindjuju_ | then i could prolly do it |
| 21:29.36 | utahcon | mindjuju_: MoviePass |
| 21:30.12 | utahcon | mindjuju_: you pick the theater, movie, and time |
| 21:30.19 | beandog | utahcon: how did you even find out about it? |
| 21:30.36 | beandog | utahcon: I wonder if they support megaplex (local chain) |
| 21:31.07 | utahcon | beandog: any theater that takes credit cards (mostly) |
| 21:31.14 | utahcon | they support all Megaplexes |
| 21:31.19 | utahcon | lots of little places too |
| 21:31.24 | utahcon | the Broadway was listed |
| 21:31.43 | utahcon | Found out about it through... I don't recall. |
| 21:31.53 | utahcon | one of my feeds |
| 21:32.04 | mindjuju_ | i wonder if they'd pay for movies shown at Dibb theaters and cookies |
| 21:32.13 | herlo | lol |
| 21:32.17 | mindjuju_ | i hear the front row seats are beanbags |
| 21:32.30 | mindjuju_ | and all the surround sound you could want |
| 21:32.42 | beandog | geek movie night++ |
| 21:32.50 | beandog | Probably Nightmare Before Christmas |
| 21:32.57 | beandog | I wanna move somewhere I can blast my stereo again. |
| 21:33.00 | SunSparc | ~hail |
| 21:33.00 | ibot | it has been said that hail is chimp |
| 21:35.05 | SunSparc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAqq11HYMsk |
| 21:44.20 | TuxToaster | ~hail SunSparc |
| 21:44.20 | ibot | ACTION bows down to SunSparc and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 21:44.24 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:44.33 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:45.06 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: Been trying out Minecraft at all? |
| 21:45.16 | beandog | meh |
| 21:45.25 | mindjuju_ | ~meh beandog |
| 21:45.42 | SunSparc | beandog: hairball? |
| 21:45.53 | beandog | ?? |
| 21:45.53 | beandog | no |
| 21:45.58 | mindjuju_ | if you check the ibot log on that, you'd see that ibot was going to meh beandog, but then decided it was meh |
| 21:46.13 | SunSparc | LOL |
| 21:46.16 | beandog | heh |
| 21:46.41 | SunSparc | ~compare meh and heh |
| 21:46.41 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: I've fiddled a few times |
| 21:46.48 | unum | psych has finally announced the season start date |
| 21:47.01 | SunSparc | ~Psych++ |
| 21:47.16 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: we are having a lot of fun on your server. |
| 21:47.30 | fungus | mindjuju_, technically you can have multiple records returned in response to an rDNS query (PTR), but it's bad practice as it doesn't work the way you are thinking. |
| 21:47.59 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: good. Glad it's getting a workout :-) |
| 21:47.59 | unum | ~Psych++ |
| 21:48.02 | fungus | It works more like DNS round robin. Random rDNS answer each time you ask? really silly. |
| 21:48.10 | TuxToaster | I need to log in and see how things look |
| 21:48.45 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: Yeah, the server is awesome. Now if only my connection could be better. |
| 21:49.01 | SunSparc | ~lart Qwest (CenturyLink) for being slow |
| 21:49.01 | ibot | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at Qwest (CenturyLink) for being slow |
| 21:49.10 | TuxToaster | fungus: that seems like that would be *very* silly |
| 21:49.24 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: oh, has it been bad? |
| 21:49.25 | fungus | hehe, yup |
| 21:49.32 | TuxToaster | wish I could get fiber out there |
| 21:50.12 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: Well we were on Comcast and they started charging too much, so we switched back to Qwest because it was cheaper and we are getting what we paid for. :( |
| 21:50.22 | SunSparc | I wish I could have fiber. |
| 21:50.25 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: Oh, your connection |
| 21:50.39 | TuxToaster | the server is on a CenturyLink DSL line as well |
| 21:50.41 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: Yep, my own connection to the tubez/ |
| 21:50.57 | SunSparc | Really? |
| 21:50.59 | SunSparc | Hmm.. |
| 21:51.02 | TuxToaster | my DSL would be cheaper if I weren't paying for a static IP block |
| 21:51.09 | beandog | SunSparc: heh |
| 21:51.12 | beandog | thats terrible |
| 21:51.17 | beandog | qwest-- |
| 21:51.21 | fungus | SunSparc, how much cheaper was the DSL from Comcast. In my experience the price per megabit was *tons* cheaper on Comcast. |
| 21:51.23 | beandog | SunSparc: so you're on 56k now? |
| 21:51.24 | TuxToaster | which fungus would probably find silly, but I like static IPs |
| 21:51.27 | SunSparc | beandog: I know, right. |
| 21:51.42 | SunSparc | beandog: Yes, about that. |
| 21:51.47 | fungus | TuxToaster, no way. static IPs are the bomb, if you can get 'em |
| 21:52.16 | beandog | business comcast will give you one ... and it's not *that* much more expensive |
| 21:52.27 | SunSparc | fungus: well, with all the hidden extra fees and taxes Qwest was only about $20 cheaper but not sure if it was worth the switch now. |
| 21:52.32 | TuxToaster | fungus: yeah, I've got a block of 16. I hate the fact they are on PPPoE though. |
| 21:52.44 | beandog | SunSparc: that's one thing I hate bout them ... all the fees they DONT tell you about. |
| 21:52.47 | fungus | beandog, yeah, but the business part of the business comcast is a lot more. |
| 21:52.48 | beandog | SunSparc: did you have to get a landline too? |
| 21:52.51 | TuxToaster | beandog: business comcast used to be willing to do 5 IPs |
| 21:53.09 | SunSparc | beandog: yes *sigh* |
| 21:53.15 | beandog | qwest freaking nickel and dimes you. It's *TERRIBLE* |
| 21:53.16 | TuxToaster | one place I worked we had like 4 usable |
| 21:53.34 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: really? hmm |
| 21:53.35 | beandog | "Would you like your phone number to actually work? That'll be an extra $5/month" |
| 21:53.42 | beandog | Keeping your phone # unlisted: $7/mo |
| 21:53.44 | beandog | etc., etc. |
| 21:53.46 | TuxToaster | I have no landline, DSL only with 12Mb line |
| 21:53.48 | beandog | so lame. |
| 21:53.53 | SunSparc | If only Utopia would take their line one more block from where is has been sitting for 3 years. |
| 21:53.58 | fungus | SunSparc, that was about the same as me. 3Mbps @$60/mo on Qwest - vs - 25Mbps @$80/mo |
| 21:54.14 | TuxToaster | though I did have to go with their ISP service, couldn't keep it with an alternate ISP at that speed |
| 21:54.14 | fungus | More expensive, but totally worth it. |
| 21:54.21 | beandog | fungus: qwest is $60/mo? Freek. |
| 21:54.27 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: It was a package deal for a year. |
| 21:54.31 | TuxToaster | ah |
| 21:54.37 | SunSparc | fungus: Yup. |
| 21:54.49 | beandog | that's good for a year, too |
| 21:55.08 | fungus | beandog for me it was. $40 for Qwest + $20 for XM |
| 21:55.12 | SunSparc | beandog: Is is flaming? |
| 21:55.22 | beandog | SunSparc: flaming awesome. |
| 21:55.24 | fungus | I miss XM, but can't pass up the bandwidth options from Comcast. |
| 21:55.28 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:55.58 | beandog | fungus: you could get satellite internet, and add a 3 second latency to everything |
| 21:56.05 | fungus | lol |
| 21:56.13 | fungus | yeah I could, but..... |
| 21:56.40 | TuxToaster | fungus: yeah when I moved they told me I couldn't do an alternate ISP without being limited to 1.5MB |
| 21:56.41 | SunSparc | fungus: what, not tempting enough? |
| 21:56.41 | unum | ssh on a 4 second latency.... |
| 21:56.55 | SunSparc | ouch |
| 21:56.57 | fungus | no way. |
| 21:57.10 | TuxToaster | supposedly the DSLAM in my area couldn't do ATM over 1.5, dunno if that's accurate or they were being silly |
| 21:57.12 | fungus | Tux, I got mine installed before they had the FTTN options in my neighborhood. |
| 21:57.14 | TuxToaster | though it's possible where I live |
| 21:57.35 | TuxToaster | yeah, and they may limit it just because of that now |
| 21:57.48 | TuxToaster | I used to get 7Mb on mine easily |
| 21:57.53 | TuxToaster | (before we moved) |
| 21:58.00 | fungus | Yeah, they cut out the other ISPs when using the FTTN options. Really lame. |
| 21:58.45 | macnewbold | stupid loopholes |
| 21:58.49 | fungus | yup |
| 21:59.17 | beandog | loopsie-daisy |
| 21:59.39 | influx | ! |
| 21:59.40 | fungus | Though Comcast hasn't treated me too badly. And the bandwidth has been awesome. |
| 21:59.49 | beandog | comcast has been my best friend ever since I got rid of their craptastic router. |
| 22:00.01 | fungus | 4 Netflix streams and still no lag on my online gaming. |
| 22:00.21 | influx | IE7 doesn't suffer the box model bug as IE6 and previous did, correct? I mean, insofar as it deals with explicit setting of height/width and concomitant use of padding. |
| 22:00.38 | beandog | fungus: http://www.theonion.com/video/warcraft-sequel-lets-gamers-play-a-character-playi,14240/ |
| 22:00.52 | macnewbold | fungus the multitasker - watching 4 netflix shows at once, while playing online games |
| 22:00.53 | fungus | beandog, lol |
| 22:00.54 | macnewbold | and winning |
| 22:01.38 | fungus | hehe, not quite, my fam watching different streams, and I added another just to test. |
| 22:01.46 | beandog | holy crap |
| 22:01.49 | beandog | that lady DOES NOT BLINK. |
| 22:02.03 | beandog | wait, hundreds of hours every week? |
| 22:02.10 | beandog | is that possible? |
| 22:03.56 | beandog | holy crap. seriously, she does not blink. |
| 22:03.56 | SunSparc | beandog: Anything is possible on the Onion News Network. |
| 22:03.59 | beandog | that's unhuman. |
| 22:04.08 | macnewbold | nah, she blinks - between 0:13 and 0:14 |
| 22:04.25 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:04.25 | beandog | :) |
| 22:04.29 | beandog | mission accomplished. |
| 22:04.51 | TuxToaster | so my Qwest service is $50/mo for the actual line |
| 22:05.02 | TuxToaster | and $30 for the IP block |
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| 22:05.28 | SunSparc | Yeah, I used to have a static IP with them. Was nice. |
| 22:05.31 | fungus | $30/mo for a /28 |
| 22:05.31 | TuxToaster | fungus: yeah, I remember all too well how they liked to cut out the other ISPs whenever they possibly could |
| 22:05.32 | fungus | ? |
| 22:05.46 | fungus | That's crazy. |
| 22:06.46 | fungus | It's not like we live in China where IPs are sold on the black market and people kill for them. |
| 22:07.20 | TuxToaster | fungus: yup |
| 22:07.57 | fungus | I wouldn't pay that much for statics. I'd just use a dynamic dns service at that price. |
| 22:07.59 | TuxToaster | I know, but you figure many ISPs charge you $5-$10 PER IP for additional statics when you're not on a routed subnet |
| 22:08.25 | TuxToaster | not to mention their rediculous setup fees |
| 22:08.33 | fungus | No, most ISPs charge 5-10 for the first IP then only slightly more for larger blocks. |
| 22:08.43 | mindjuju_ | i'm just curious here, but why don't the transformers use wifi and communicate through some highspeed thought convenance protocol? |
| 22:08.52 | mindjuju_ | why do they talk to each other |
| 22:09.06 | mindjuju_ | seems so inefficent, but then again, i never saw the movies |
| 22:09.10 | fungus | lol |
| 22:09.15 | SunSparc | So we can hear them. |
| 22:09.19 | TuxToaster | fungus: possibly... I haven't looked around at prices recently, it used to be fairly expensive to get a routed block though |
| 22:09.22 | fungus | Because then they would be Borg |
| 22:09.23 | mindjuju_ | yeah, thats for when they talk to the humans |
| 22:09.29 | TuxToaster | but at my house my only options are Qwest and Comcast |
| 22:09.44 | TuxToaster | and for a solid line with statics, Qwest is much cheaper |
| 22:09.56 | TuxToaster | since Comcast would be well over $100 just to have "business" on it |
| 22:10.05 | fungus | yup |
| 22:10.06 | TuxToaster | and would be slower than my residential line is |
| 22:10.25 | TuxToaster | not to mention if I'm going to have two lines, I don't want them both by the same provider |
| 22:10.33 | fungus | slower, no. Business Comcast is just as fast, if not faster than Residential Comcast. |
| 22:10.55 | beandog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46qKHq7REI4 |
| 22:11.03 | TuxToaster | fungus: when I looked it was more expensive for the lowest tier of business than for what I've got on res. |
| 22:11.21 | fungus | oh, comparing prices, yes. |
| 22:11.36 | TuxToaster | I get up to 30mbps on my res. for like $80/mo |
| 22:11.42 | beandog | wow I wanna see this movie again now |
| 22:11.45 | TuxToaster | but the cheapest, slowest business line costs more than that. |
| 22:11.52 | fungus | yeah, that's what I got right now. |
| 22:11.55 | TuxToaster | or did, but likely still does |
| 22:12.07 | TuxToaster | so it didn't make sense to me |
| 22:12.29 | SunSparc | beandog: Yeah, that movie is fun. |
| 22:12.38 | fungus | I have a branch up north with a Business Comcast that is $150/mo for 50/10Mbps |
| 22:13.06 | TuxToaster | hmm, that's better pricing than I remember seeing. |
| 22:13.12 | beandog | SunSparc: I can't remember it at all. The trailer actually makes it look not half bad. |
| 22:13.14 | TuxToaster | I might eventually look at it if I actually need it |
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| 22:13.25 | fungus | We get a discount because we have so many offices on Comcast. |
| 22:13.43 | TuxToaster | right now all that's using my Qwest line is a few small websites, test stuff and SunSparc's minecraft addiction |
| 22:13.53 | fungus | lol, nice |
| 22:13.55 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: lol |
| 22:13.58 | beandog | macnewbold: okay so she did blink *once* in both videos. Still. creepy. |
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| 22:19.37 | beandog | how long is it going to take to import a 3 gb mysql database? |
| 22:19.42 | beandog | I'm about to find out. |
| 22:20.35 | tierra | depends on the structure and your indexes |
| 22:20.39 | SunSparc | beandog: 30 seconds. |
| 22:20.49 | beandog | SunSparc wins! |
| 22:20.54 | tierra | heh |
| 22:20.56 | beandog | have a free qwest line. |
| 22:20.58 | SunSparc | Woot! |
| 22:21.01 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:21.01 | beandog | nobody wants one, so they're free. |
| 22:21.06 | SunSparc | Noo... |
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| 22:21.17 | SunSparc | The Unprize. |
| 22:21.20 | beandog | oh wow, that actually took < 10 mins |
| 22:22.04 | fungus | beandog, on large imports, it's sometimes faster to disable indexes at the beginning and enable them after. |
| 22:22.27 | beandog | yah good point |
| 22:22.44 | beandog | fortunately my time isn't valuable |
| 22:22.51 | beandog | er .... wait .. |
| 22:22.52 | fungus | But if you only do 3G, and it's less than 10min, it's probably not that important. |
| 22:23.11 | fungus | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/insert-speed.html |
| 22:23.21 | fungus | some good info on large imports ^ |
| 22:24.53 | fungus | or bulk loading tips in: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/innodb-tuning.html |
| 22:25.16 | fungus | heh, anyway... just ignore me. |
| 22:28.53 | TuxToaster | beandog: lol |
| 22:29.36 | beandog | fungus: dev box. don't care. |
| 22:29.52 | beandog | I'm not a dev. |
| 22:29.54 | beandog | so I care even less. |
| 22:29.55 | beandog | :) |
| 22:29.58 | fungus | hehe, yah, that happens too. |
| 22:30.25 | beandog | "Your database isn't working? Huh, that's weird. Try the connection settings again." as I fiddle with stuff in the background. |
| 22:30.49 | fungus | lol, nice |
| 22:31.35 | beandog | way to import the functions. |
| 22:31.37 | beandog | stored procs |
| 22:31.40 | beandog | whatever they're called on mysql |
| 22:39.38 | beandog | "my first grade crush" and "mugshot" should never been in the same sentence. |
| 22:39.40 | beandog | only reddit. |
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| 22:50.13 | TuxToaster | beandog is the BOFH in disguise |
| 22:50.33 | beandog | that's because I have a 65% positive success rate with them |
| 22:50.39 | beandog | just slightly over the top |
| 22:51.13 | beandog | they live in hope. |
| 22:51.16 | TuxToaster | lol |
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