| 00:06.08 | PoeticIntensity | I'm right about where you seem to be, SunSparc... |
| 00:06.26 | PoeticIntensity | I'm a sys-admin of a single linux system at work, but that's about it. |
| 00:06.44 | PoeticIntensity | it's a critical system, but it's only one, and it'll only ever be one (I hope) |
| 00:06.53 | PoeticIntensity | I enjoy workin' on it, though. |
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| 02:51.06 | jnbek | yea that's right, 14% lame :-P I can live wth that |
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| 14:20.02 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 14:20.03 | raifbot | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses peno's head to break the homerun record. |
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| 15:12.05 | mindjuju | anybody have a minute to look at some SMTP logs with me |
| 15:12.27 | mindjuju | http://pastebin.com/0VU9e23r |
| 15:12.46 | mindjuju | I'm reading out of this, aol smtp server bad |
| 15:13.18 | macnewbold | bad, or no likey talk to you |
| 15:13.49 | mindjuju | you mean like spam block? |
| 15:13.57 | mindjuju | when i've seen that, they've always said denied for spam or something |
| 15:13.59 | mindjuju | and give URL |
| 15:14.10 | macnewbold | yes, usually they do. |
| 15:14.12 | macnewbold | hm |
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| 15:21.00 | mindjuju | google email servers always so friendly |
| 15:21.16 | mindjuju | 10/10/2012 12:00:29 AM - ( 328) 250-Welcome, 127.0.0.1 [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you 10/10/2012 12:00:29 AM - ( 328) 250-AUTH=LOGIN 10/10/2012 12:00:29 AM - [ 329] 250-mx.google.com at your service, [173.10.26.196] |
| 15:21.33 | mindjuju | makes reading email logs nicer |
| 15:23.00 | herlo | mindjuju: haha, that's postfix for you |
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| 15:28.08 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 15:28.09 | raifbot | takes romanovic to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 15:29.17 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: it's an AOL problem |
| 15:29.20 | TuxToaster | has happened before |
| 15:29.34 | mindjuju | yeah, i saw blog, but it's been like 12hrs |
| 15:29.43 | TuxToaster | https://twitter.com/ETDeliv/status/206103787658678272 |
| 15:29.49 | mindjuju | maybe the email server rack is on fire |
| 15:29.49 | TuxToaster | months ago |
| 15:29.52 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 15:30.15 | TuxToaster | http://blog.wordtothewise.com/2012/05/aol-again/ |
| 15:30.20 | TuxToaster | silly AOL |
| 15:31.04 | TuxToaster | most of the employees I know are also amazed |
| 15:31.08 | herlo | lol |
| 15:31.12 | herlo | TuxToaster: that's awesome |
| 15:34.57 | mindjuju | peno, you around? |
| 15:35.04 | mindjuju | ~apb peno!! |
| 15:35.05 | ibot | ACTION calls Dog the Bounty Hunter to find peno!! |
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| 15:35.48 | DexterTheDragon | tierra: so it looks like the Orbcomm satellite did end up in the wrong orbit. Because of the engine failure on the first stage they had to alter the burn times on the second stage which put the satellite in the wrong orbit. |
| 15:36.07 | mindjuju | oh noes! |
| 15:39.08 | tierra | ah, so someone's Facebook update apparently confirmed then? |
| 15:41.25 | DexterTheDragon | yeah Orbcomm confirmed it in a statement and said they are working to see if the satellite can put itself into the proper orbit http://www.orbcomm.com/Collateral/Documents/English-US/ORBCOMM%20Launches%20Prototype%20OG2%20Satellite%20FINAL.pdf |
| 15:43.22 | DexterTheDragon | well, into a more acceptable orbit |
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| 16:04.54 | TuxToaster | http://i.imgur.com/WRjUf.jpg |
| 16:07.26 | TuxToaster | DexterTheDragon: here's hoping that it's not too low to where it might re-enter |
| 16:10.41 | TuxToaster | ~launch SpaceX |
| 16:10.41 | ibot | ACTION straps SpaceX to an ACME rocket, lights the fuse and ducks behind a rock |
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| 16:12.16 | DexterTheDragon | TuxToaster: it's fully in orbit, it's just at something like 122x202 miles when it was supposed to be at 193x203 miles |
| 16:14.53 | peno | mindjuju: i am now |
| 16:15.02 | mindjuju | happy bday peno |
| 16:15.05 | mindjuju | ~peno++ |
| 16:15.08 | peno | thnx |
| 16:15.33 | mindjuju | did you get the day off? |
| 16:15.38 | peno | no :( |
| 16:16.15 | peno | I get to upgrade disk shelf firmware! |
| 16:17.51 | mindjuju | peno, you mean like this? http://www.lowes.com/Search=shelf+pins?storeId=10151&langId=-1&catalogId=10051&N=0&newSearch=true&Ntt=shelf+pins |
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| 16:18.01 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 16:18.05 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: no, that's hardware |
| 16:18.28 | peno | naw |
| 16:18.31 | TuxToaster | firmware would be like drilling holes to add features |
| 16:18.36 | mindjuju | ah |
| 16:18.41 | peno | *> storage download shelf |
| 16:18.41 | peno | Downloading disk shelf firmware may take up to 10 minutes, |
| 16:18.41 | peno | but will NOT disrupt client access during that time. |
| 16:18.41 | peno | Are you sure you want to continue with shelf firmware update? y |
| 16:18.45 | peno | like that! :) |
| 16:18.49 | TuxToaster | NetApp? |
| 16:18.52 | peno | yup |
| 16:19.01 | TuxToaster | nice |
| 16:19.13 | peno | <3 non-disruptive updates. |
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| 16:19.21 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:19.28 | peno | next weekend is the disruptive update, though :( |
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| 16:23.53 | SunSparc | Ahh yeah, Floyd. |
| 16:26.50 | Bikerdan | ~mindjuju++ |
| 16:27.15 | SunSparc | Yeah, that was a good one mindjuju. |
| 16:27.22 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:27.28 | Bikerdan | DJ Mindjuju |
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| 16:27.46 | captbrogers | Ping room |
| 16:28.03 | captbrogers | Anyone here? |
| 16:28.38 | mindjuju | nobody here but you |
| 16:29.02 | DexterTheDragon | must be lonely |
| 16:29.12 | captbrogers | <Doc Brown voice>It worked!!!</Doc Brown voice> |
| 16:29.33 | mindjuju | 88mph? |
| 16:30.17 | captbrogers | I switched over to Ubuntu from Fedora because of driver support, and I got empathy to work with both IRC and Gmail at the same time |
| 16:32.57 | DexterTheDragon | "Empathy is currently a pretty poor IRC client." sounds fun |
| 16:33.32 | captbrogers | I know it is, but it is integrated into Ubuntu. I'd rather switch to Pidgin, but whatever, it works |
| 16:33.48 | captbrogers | Has a nice little interface, so I really don't mind. I don't use IRC extensively |
| 16:33.58 | TuxToaster | so why not switch to pidgin? |
| 16:34.10 | TuxToaster | you're looking for the integration? |
| 16:34.20 | captbrogers | It isn't integrated at well, or as not as I understand it |
| 16:34.43 | captbrogers | Brb |
| 16:34.44 | TuxToaster | (I haven't really played with the new integration stuff yet, looks pretty cool though) |
| 16:34.44 | macnewbold | how/why would an im/irc client be "integrated" into the OS? |
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| 16:35.07 | TuxToaster | macnewbold: at least for IM it's presence integration and notifications |
| 16:35.36 | TuxToaster | macnewbold: http://www.gnome.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/message-tray-bubble.png |
| 16:35.53 | macnewbold | interesting |
| 16:36.20 | TuxToaster | yeah, I don't know that I'd like it for IRC, but for IMs it seems useful |
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| 16:39.59 | SunSparc | ~pounce itimber |
| 16:39.59 | ibot | ACTION jumps on itimber and bounces around Tigger style |
| 16:40.16 | fungus | I used Empathy for a while. It's actually pretty good. Only switched back to pidgin to get plugin capabilities to write my own plugins. |
| 16:43.47 | SunSparc | fungus: have you used irssi? |
| 16:44.00 | fungus | Of course |
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| 16:45.42 | captbrogers | Anyway, did the question of how/why empathy is integrated get answered? |
| 16:46.01 | fungus | Yes, Tux chimed in for that one quite well |
| 16:51.29 | TuxToaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkvazIZx-F0 |
| 16:55.41 | josephscott | $lart slow deploys |
| 16:55.42 | raifbot | flings poo at slow deploys. |
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| 17:43.42 | Skinner | josephscott: Did you say at a PHP meeting once that you hosted the cougarboard? |
| 17:43.53 | josephscott | not I |
| 17:46.42 | Skinner | Hmmm...I thought I remember someone at UPHPU doing it. |
| 17:48.01 | josephscott | Skinner: that belongs to Steve Meyers |
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| 17:48.59 | josephscott | looks like cougarboard got some bootstrap powered updates |
| 17:49.14 | Skinner | Ya my wife pointed it out to me just a moment ago |
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| 17:56.42 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 17:56.43 | raifbot | executes killall -KILL ninnypan_. |
| 17:57.13 | TuxToaster | the _ almost makes it look like that kill command stopped short. :P |
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| 18:02.49 | itimber | hey SunSparc |
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| 18:06.35 | mindjuju | Skinner , josephscott fridgesm is steve meyers of cougarboard |
| 18:08.28 | fridgesm | that'd be me :) |
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| 18:12.15 | TuxToaster | oh, just when I thought that fridgesm was an IRC-connected refrigerator :P |
| 18:13.13 | mindjuju | fridgesm loaded the linux kernel into his refridge and made the ice dispensor dispense witty saying when fridgesm isn't actually at his computer |
| 18:13.18 | mindjuju | that's prolly what go ty ou confused |
| 18:15.50 | Skinner | That explains why there no ice cubes |
| 18:16.10 | Skinner | ~fridgesm |
| 18:16.22 | Skinner | Awww the dispenser is broken |
| 18:16.35 | Skinner | Looks a little dirty |
| 18:16.55 | Skinner | ~skinner fridgesm_dispenser |
| 18:16.55 | ibot | ACTION buries fridgesm_dispenser in a giant waterfall... WHOOOOSH! |
| 18:16.59 | fungus | http://appliances.pricegrabber.com/refrigerators/netbsd+embedded+systems/p/767/ |
| 18:17.24 | Skinner | lol |
| 18:17.51 | mindjuju | really? |
| 18:18.28 | ninnypan_ | the real question is what kind of sensors do you have access to? |
| 18:18.30 | fungus | no, probably not |
| 18:19.05 | mindjuju | too bad your food can't have an RFID on it |
| 18:19.11 | mindjuju | then you'd know if you had milk or no |
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| 18:19.37 | ninnypan_ | mindjuju: an empty jug could still be in the fridge you need a weight sensor ;) |
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| 18:19.53 | mindjuju | hmm, true |
| 18:19.59 | fungus | who leaves empty cartons in the fridge? |
| 18:20.13 | mindjuju | UtahDave |
| 18:20.26 | mindjuju | what's this about Salt ? |
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| 18:21.11 | ninnypan_ | fungus: not me but even if you don't have that problem you could have it tell you when it's getting low using the weight sensor |
| 18:21.48 | fungus | ok, that's true. But that would increase the implementation costs by a ton. |
| 18:22.03 | fungus | Simple rfid stickers wouldn't be too hard. |
| 18:22.32 | ninnypan_ | fungus: true I've seen both built using arduino |
| 18:22.39 | fungus | Just put a raspberry pi with an rfid reader near or inside the fridge. |
| 18:22.43 | mindjuju | so i'm just thinking out loud here, but it seems to me that the RFID becomes energized by the sensor and relays info, if we could use part of that energy to run a current through the liquid and detect the impedence |
| 18:23.01 | mindjuju | and comparing that to a full impedence, then you could with some accuracy know how much you've got |
| 18:23.35 | mindjuju | i'm no EE, but i pretended to be one once |
| 18:23.45 | fungus | Interesting, better file your patent quick. |
| 18:23.53 | Bikerdan | Already did. |
| 18:24.02 | Bikerdan | Thx mindjuju. |
| 18:24.12 | fungus | doh, now mindjuju will get sued into oblivion |
| 18:24.16 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 18:24.19 | mindjuju | :( |
| 18:24.19 | Bikerdan | muahahahahh! |
| 18:24.51 | utahcon | anyone got advice to making yum ignore mysql-libs when using MariaDB and php-mysql? |
| 18:25.39 | mindjuju | fungus, looks like i got beat already - http://web.mit.edu/rahul_b/www/Fluid_Level.pdf |
| 18:26.14 | Bikerdan | Maybe the rfid circuitry could be built into the carton to where it changes the rfid information when the fluid no longer bridges a connection... |
| 18:26.57 | Bikerdan | ninnypan_: I'll file a patent on a method of stealing a method of stealing... |
| 18:27.18 | mindjuju | that pdf i posted from the guy at MIT is exactly what i was saying, but he's had time to flesh it out much more |
| 18:27.32 | Bikerdan | Freakin MIT know-it-alls. |
| 18:27.33 | mindjuju | here i was just shooting from the hip |
| 18:27.53 | mindjuju | i know, huh |
| 18:28.05 | Bikerdan | They think they're all bad-a and such. |
| 18:28.46 | mindjuju | a good friend of mine that teaches physics at BYU got his doctorate from MIT nuclear physics |
| 18:28.53 | mindjuju | he is kind of a bad a |
| 18:29.05 | Bikerdan | I didn't say they were wrong in thinking that... |
| 18:29.13 | mindjuju | though he accussed me of "plug and chug" when i went to him for help in my class |
| 18:29.27 | mindjuju | plug and chug, the physicist equivelent of a pimp slap |
| 18:30.18 | fungus | utahcon, have you tried installing the maria client libraries first, before installing php-mysql |
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| 18:34.09 | fungus | IIRC yum checks the dependency by library, and just grabs the "best" package that provides that library. So maybe Yum doesn't understand what best is. |
| 18:34.32 | fungus | Usually installing the package you want first forces yum into seeing that the library is already provided. |
| 18:35.15 | utahcon | fungus: yeah it still complains |
| 18:35.37 | utahcon | I suspect the mysql version is newer... and since they are technically compatible it wants to install it |
| 18:35.43 | Robbie | hi |
| 18:35.45 | utahcon | and stops me from installing php-mysql |
| 18:35.50 | utahcon | hi Robbie |
| 18:35.51 | fungus | ah, that sounds possible too |
| 18:36.05 | utahcon | so I was hoping for a magic --nodeps solution in yum |
| 18:36.05 | Robbie | anyone knows about a physics room? |
| 18:36.23 | utahcon | Robbie: you looking for an IRC room about physics? |
| 18:36.26 | Robbie | yes |
| 18:36.37 | fungus | utahcon, there might be, I just don't know it. Still not that great w/ yum myself. |
| 18:36.43 | utahcon | Robbie: try #physics |
| 18:37.02 | utahcon | fungus: thanks, I pinged herlo but he is afk... or dead |
| 18:37.04 | Robbie | #physics |
| 18:37.35 | ninnypan_ | mindjuju: http://rt.com/usa/news/texas-school-id-hernandez-033/ |
| 18:37.38 | mindjuju | so Robbie, he means do this /j #physics |
| 18:38.20 | ninnypan_ | apparently in texas you can make a FIA request for all the students names and addresses |
| 18:38.38 | mindjuju | i would just as soon pull my son and put him in a private school |
| 18:38.52 | mindjuju | no questions asked, no thouhts involved |
| 18:39.24 | ninnypan_ | yeah seems crazy to implement something like that |
| 18:39.48 | mindjuju | i don't helicopter parent him now, i certainly wouldn't allow the district to start |
| 18:40.20 | utahcon | "helicopter parent" ? |
| 18:40.35 | ninnypan_ | hover over them |
| 18:40.42 | mindjuju | yup |
| 18:40.45 | utahcon | oh |
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| 18:43.13 | ninnypan_ | seems like it would have to at least be the student id and you could probably turn that into more info pretty easily |
| 18:43.19 | Skinner | that article is funny. "We're taking a hit on funding because of truancy, so we're gonna spend money to track those who are truant so more will want to be truant" |
| 18:43.42 | ninnypan_ | and you wouldn't have to make the FIA request to get names and addresses |
| 18:44.17 | mindjuju | that, that idiot Galinda can be called a Texan is an insult to real Texans |
| 18:44.22 | mindjuju | oops, Galindo |
| 18:44.44 | TuxToaster | Texas also allows corporal punishment, so there's that. |
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| 19:07.38 | UtahDave | mindjuju: Salt is my new full time gig! |
| 19:07.59 | mindjuju | i see that |
| 19:08.06 | mindjuju | how cool is that? |
| 19:08.16 | UtahDave | very cool. Living the startup life! |
| 19:08.56 | mindjuju | prolly not so much travel though |
| 19:09.50 | UtahDave | yeah, not nearly as much travel. My wife is happy about that |
| 19:11.10 | SunSparc | Ooooh, Salt goes hand in hand with AWS. I am all ears... |
| 19:11.28 | UtahDave | SunSparc: You'll love salt-cloud, then |
| 19:11.46 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: what about pepper? |
| 19:12.14 | SunSparc | UtahDave: Yep, was just looking at the docs. Have had the tab in my browser for months but never got around to reading it. :) |
| 19:12.23 | SunSparc | ~pepper TuxToaster |
| 19:12.23 | ibot | ACTION forces TuxToaster to eat a single Dorset Naga (oh yeah, 923,000 SHU, baby!) |
| 19:12.57 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: Need some water? |
| 19:13.02 | TuxToaster | milk |
| 19:13.06 | TuxToaster | lots of milk |
| 19:13.08 | UtahDave | SunSparc: cool. Let me know if you have any questions |
| 19:13.16 | SunSparc | ~milk TuxToaster |
| 19:13.16 | ibot | ACTION gives TuxToaster a cup of honey sugar lemon milk |
| 19:13.31 | TuxToaster | whew, that came out better than it could have... |
| 19:13.37 | SunSparc | lol |
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| 19:13.59 | SunSparc | UtahDave: how are you on the Salt project? |
| 19:15.18 | herlo | utahcon: I'm alive! |
| 19:15.20 | herlo | lol |
| 19:16.23 | UtahDave | SunSparc: I'm an engineering manager and community manager. |
| 19:16.44 | UtahDave | I also baby the salt windows support... and keep herlo in line |
| 19:17.19 | SunSparc | UtahDave: Nice. Someone has to keep herlo in line. |
| 19:17.30 | DexterTheDragon | whose all working for SaltStack, Inc these days? |
| 19:17.48 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: whose? |
| 19:17.51 | herlo | lol |
| 19:17.54 | DexterTheDragon | yes |
| 19:17.54 | SunSparc | ibot: keep herlo in line |
| 19:18.13 | herlo | ~mock DexterTheDragon |
| 19:18.14 | ibot | ACTION pulls DexterTheDragon's pants down and shows the world DexterTheDragon's pink spotted underwear |
| 19:18.56 | DexterTheDragon | who's all working for SaltStack, Inc these days? |
| 19:18.58 | DexterTheDragon | better? |
| 19:19.22 | fungus | you could take the word "all" out. It's unnecessary. |
| 19:19.52 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:20.25 | SunSparc | l0l |
| 19:21.20 | TuxToaster | heh |
| 19:21.24 | SunSparc | I am actually curious also to know who is working for Salt. |
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| 19:27.21 | SunSparc | heh, on the Salt home page: "What happening in Salt" |
| 19:27.31 | SunSparc | Since we are on a grammar kick. |
| 19:31.39 | herlo | lol |
| 19:32.30 | UtahDave | SunSparc: ha, I'll fix that. |
| 19:34.00 | herlo | oh, I'd say saltstack.com needs a lot of help :) |
| 19:34.14 | herlo | It's coming, I know that for sure. |
| 19:34.26 | UtahDave | it's in the works right now |
| 19:34.58 | mindjuju | this is awesomely funny - https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/9/30/QE36MOj9MUC5G-iHwRM1QQ2.jpg |
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| 19:44.29 | unum | I agree with darth vader |
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| 20:13.18 | SunSparc | MikeHansenMe: Have you ever been to the Philippines? |
| 20:13.34 | MikeHansenMe | nope |
| 20:13.40 | SunSparc | K |
| 20:14.08 | MikeHansenMe | I have been a lot of places but never the Philippines |
| 20:14.22 | SunSparc | It is nice and warm there. |
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| 20:43.11 | wGEric | I have a wordpress site that was hacked. What is the best way to check if there is any malicious code in the DB? |
| 20:45.09 | SunSparc | Run a diff on current db and pre hack dump. |
| 20:45.13 | SunSparc | Maybe? |
| 20:48.01 | wGEric | that would probably work. Not exactly sure when the site was hacked though. I'm thinking of just doing a dump and checking for <script, <iframe and the other usual stuff |
| 20:48.18 | tierra | I'd assume you also know to disable all plugins and yes, even jump back to a default theme (themes can contain security holes too), change user passwords, etc... |
| 20:49.20 | tierra | DB-diff is helpful, but it's also possible something was dormant for some time before being abused too |
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| 20:49.28 | tierra | so probably both |
| 20:50.29 | MikeHansenMe | more likely to have something in a theme or plugin than the db from my experience possibly even the default themes |
| 20:59.36 | fridgesm | I can't get get_browser() to work correctly. Please don't ask why I'm using that. :) |
| 20:59.57 | fridgesm | I've verified that it's using the correct browscap.ini file, and user agent |
| 21:00.16 | fridgesm | And on my local machine, I can feed it that user agent and browscap.ini file, and it will give the correct result |
| 21:02.10 | Bikerdan | Did you download the browscap.ini or the php_browscap.ini? |
| 21:03.49 | Skinner | Is the goal to see what browser they are using or something else? |
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| 21:41.50 | ninnypants | $rlart |
| 21:41.51 | raifbot | forces UtahDave to use Outlook Express. |
| 21:44.15 | UtahDave | ouch! |
| 21:48.47 | romanovic | so, svn question. given a situation where a live server has selectively updated files, what recourse would we have if we accidentally svn up the whole thing? |
| 21:48.59 | cro | muhuhuhuhahaha…XMission and Utopia just bumped my speed up to 50 Mbit/50 Mbit |
| 21:51.19 | romanovic | realise there are several problems we have inherited with a few of our svn projects, such as 1) nobody is using dev / feature branches, 2) people are updating individual files selectively, and 3) we are using svn instead of git |
| 21:53.16 | tierra | well, as with any SVN commit, if it's bad, revert it |
| 21:53.31 | macnewbold | romanovic: svn vs git isn't your problem |
| 21:53.54 | macnewbold | you could be using git and #1 and #2 would be just as big a problem |
| 21:54.15 | tierra | really though, what do you mean by "a live server has selectively updated files" |
| 21:55.12 | romanovic | macnewbold: i do agree with you there. but there simply was never a branching policy with the svn projects, and svn doesn't handle branches and merging as gracefully as git |
| 21:55.23 | tierra | production server running code from an SVN branch, which someone has run SVN up 'single_file.php'; on? |
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| 21:56.32 | romanovic | tierra: what i mean is that instead of always maintaining a tagged version in trunk that we know works on live, or keeping all development in separate branches, people develop and commit directly to trunk and it is frequently in a broken state |
| 21:56.51 | romanovic | just like you said. |
| 21:56.57 | tierra | I think the recourse in that situation involves employee disciplinary actions, heh |
| 21:57.03 | tierra | j/k |
| 21:58.01 | tierra | change up policy so that you have one branch (and it doesn't have to be trunk) that is always running production |
| 21:58.30 | tierra | I mean, obviously fix your problems first, but a new merging policy is obviously necessary |
| 21:58.41 | romanovic | tierra: i agree. |
| 21:58.53 | tierra | someone needs to be the release manager in charge of pushing changes |
| 21:59.11 | tierra | (after confirming testing has been done, etc) |
| 21:59.15 | romanovic | whenever possible, we've been starting new projects in git, with a minimum of two branches - master and develop |
| 21:59.28 | romanovic | where master is always production ready |
| 22:01.07 | romanovic | but there are a handful of svn projects that we (the lowly peons) have inherited that are a little messy in comparison |
| 22:02.01 | romanovic | tierra: aren't there some additional considerations when branching and merging in svn? it seems like someone in here posted a link about it after a similar question |
| 22:02.19 | SunSparc | ~git++ |
| 22:02.25 | SunSparc | ~karma git |
| 22:02.25 | ibot | git has karma of 14 |
| 22:02.29 | SunSparc | ~karma svn |
| 22:02.29 | ibot | svn has karma of -9 |
| 22:02.32 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:02.32 | romanovic | and i've been warned in the past against merging dev branches into master as if I were using git |
| 22:03.06 | SunSparc | ~karma romanovic |
| 22:03.06 | ibot | romanovic has karma of 3 |
| 22:03.33 | tierra | well, as long as you still have multiple developers with access to the production server that are in the habit of updating individual files (rather than tagged releases or just the latest full revision on the trunk)... all bets are out the window - the policy change needs to happen before anything else |
| 22:03.39 | macnewbold | ~svn++ |
| 22:03.47 | SunSparc | macnewbold: ? |
| 22:03.58 | macnewbold | if use use them right, svn works great too, plus has the advantage of a centralized repository that is the source of truth |
| 22:04.19 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:04.28 | SunSparc | Yeah, to each their own I guess. |
| 22:04.40 | tierra | macnewbold: when I'm running the server, my repo is "the source of truth", heh |
| 22:04.45 | SunSparc | Whatever dev env works best for you is what you should use. |
| 22:05.17 | macnewbold | tierra: right, so you're using git with an svn-like centralized workflow |
| 22:06.11 | SunSparc | In order to switch to git, I decided to forget all I knew about svn and learn git from scratch. |
| 22:06.17 | tierra | technically speaking, everyone using git is if you want to think about it that way |
| 22:06.52 | tierra | every project using git still has what could be considered the "central" repo |
| 22:09.40 | SunSparc | Hmmm... I wonder if svn is to socialism as git is to libertarianism? |
| 22:09.56 | tierra | haha |
| 22:10.03 | macnewbold | hm |
| 22:10.30 | SunSparc | ~hahastats |
| 22:10.39 | SunSparc | ~hmstats |
| 22:12.32 | romanovic | macnewbold: yeah, we don't use any git repositories that don't have a central repository / source of truth |
| 22:12.35 | DexterTheDragon | I prefer to think of svn as feudalism |
| 22:12.40 | macnewbold | good |
| 22:12.45 | tierra | http://git-scm.com/about/distributed <- the "shared" or "blessed" repo in all those workflows *is* the central repository... the main thing git changes is that you can pass entire branches of code with however many patches back and forth to any dev easily without even generating a diff/patch |
| 22:12.52 | macnewbold | svn is more of a monarchy |
| 22:12.55 | macnewbold | imho |
| 22:13.29 | macnewbold | that would make git anarchy, i guess |
| 22:13.34 | macnewbold | or at least oligarchy |
| 22:13.38 | tierra | so some projects like to inject an extra repo that one person is maintaining for a specific purpose (like testing) before it hits the central repo |
| 22:13.57 | macnewbold | and some places use branches for that |
| 22:14.09 | tierra | but yeah, in the end, there's always still one "authoritative" repo |
| 22:15.20 | tierra | yeah, you can also use branches for that, just depends on how you want to maintain write access |
| 22:15.50 | tierra | since you can't restrict certain devs access to only specific branches, you use an entire new repo for it |
| 22:16.56 | DexterTheDragon | you can with gitolite |
| 22:17.15 | romanovic | tierra: on the habit of updating individual files, it is usually urgent hotfixes. the current branching strategy for the old svn projects is non-existent. since the trunk version can't be trusted, people just svn up the individual file |
| 22:17.25 | tierra | ok, yes, you can, but it's highly uncommon ;) |
| 22:19.31 | tierra | romanovic: ok |
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| 22:22.21 | tierra | I love it when GitHub projects that aren't mirrors request that you use email rather than open a PR, heh |
| 22:22.53 | tierra | they always do it under the impression that they are restricted with what they can do with it since it's in a PR |
| 22:24.49 | tierra | what they don't realize is that it really is actually just a queue of URLs/branches to pull just like an email, and that they can pull it into their personal repo to work on before merging it, and still automatically close out the PR when it's finally pushed into the GitHub repo |
| 22:25.30 | macnewbold | romanovic: take what is currently on live, and commit it as the new revision to trunk, to reset everything to working condition? |
| 22:26.01 | tierra | GitHub provides a "Merge" button that will automatically does a --no-ff merge and closes the request, but it's purely for convenience, you don't have to use it at all |
| 22:27.26 | tierra | macnewbold: that actually doesn't work... the live repo knows some files are on a different revision than others, so it doesn't add them as changes for a new commit |
| 22:28.00 | macnewbold | right, i meant copy the files over an up to date trunk working copy, committing those file contents as a new revision |
| 22:28.17 | tierra | ah, yeah, that would work |
| 22:28.26 | macnewbold | has some downsides, but works |
| 22:28.38 | macnewbold | maybe rather than trunk, do it on your new release branch, as the initial revision |
| 22:28.52 | knicholes | macnewbold: uggghhh sounds awful. |
| 22:29.54 | romanovic | macnewbold: if there were any way to roll back the last update, I'm sure we'd have some option |
| 22:30.24 | macnewbold | we always make a tag every time we release, |
| 22:30.39 | macnewbold | so we can roll back to what was previously live if there is ever an issue |
| 22:32.30 | romanovic | macnewbold: yeah, i'm going to propose we do that from now on. 1) each release gets tagged, 2) development and hotfixes don't happen in the production branch |
| 22:32.58 | romanovic | we *do* tag (at least I do) in the git projects, and it makes things a lot easier |
| 22:33.28 | macnewbold | yes, its helpful |
| 22:33.30 | knicholes | AND NO EDITING DIRECTLY ON LIVE |
| 22:33.33 | knicholes | Effff! |
| 22:33.45 | macnewbold | the nice thing in your current situation is that you can tag a mixed-revision branch too |
| 22:33.53 | macnewbold | or svn cp, to make a start for your new release branch |
| 22:34.00 | macnewbold | and it will keep all your history |
| 22:34.31 | romanovic | "I do it in production" http://imgur.com/y7Hm9 |
| 22:35.42 | romanovic | I think we need to get this shirt, and the next person to make changes directly on the production server has to wear it for a week http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/f141/ |
| 22:35.53 | tierra | well, hotfixes tend to go live immediately, and there's typically no reason those can't still be done on the production branch without bothering with tags, but certainly keep dev branch away until it's ready to go (with hotfixes merged into it's branch as well) |
| 22:37.07 | macnewbold | yep - sometimes discipline problems are social issues, and need social solutions, like public ridicule |
| 22:37.09 | romanovic | i'd like to tag a mixed revision branch right now. |
| 22:41.05 | romanovic | "svn copy --flux-capacitor=-50min repos/project/trunk repos/project/tags/5.0" <-- flux capacitor tag not implemented yet |
| 22:41.13 | romanovic | if only i could go back in time to an hour ago |
| 22:42.14 | macnewbold | they do have a —date flag that does something similar |
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| 23:09.23 | josephscott | yep, you can do date/time based rollback |
| 23:17.12 | romanovic | interesting, if it works. |
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| 23:18.56 | romanovic | if it reverts the working copy to the exact mixed-revision state it was in before the update, that would help. If it reverts to the state of the files in subversion at that date, it really does no good in this situation |
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