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15:44.06mindjujuI was just looking at that DtD
15:44.16mindjujuhttp://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/54987741-82/infrastructure-utopia-fiber-internet.html.csp
15:44.37mindjujuIt is a very busy Monday, but i've always got a minute for something Pete A. writes
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16:10.31maheliousmindjuju: the comments are hilarious
16:11.03mahelious"utopia is wasting tax payer money!  and how dare they charge so much for a connection fee!"
16:12.17mahelioustbh it is pretty disappointing how little utopia has done with as much money as theyve been provided.
16:13.16herloI think the problem isn't about the money so much as how the cities who are working with Utopia are managing things.
16:14.34herlothey get big payola from CL and Comcast or something, because it's so mismanaged. I wonder if what Pete suggests would even work in providing a single set of pipes and letting everyone use them. That would be more like it should be and just be considered a utility, much like sewer or electricity is now.
16:15.17macnewboldherlo: go to the meeting tonight!
16:15.26TuxToasterlol
16:15.29herloNOPE!
16:16.00herloI've been to it already 4 days in a row, carmony was NOT there to give a presentation.
16:17.04maheliousim sure sensible policies will be found about the same time we get a few politicials who arent in the pockets of CL/Xfinity
16:17.25maheliouss/politicials/politicians
16:17.30herlogood luck with that
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16:20.40carmonylol
16:28.35josephscottit must be done
16:28.37josephscott~lolstats
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16:29.21herlolol
16:29.28herloonly 9 (now 8) away
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16:32.43carmony918 :O
16:34.32herlocarmony: you've got a long road ahead of you
17:12.11TuxToastergah.
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17:21.30mgearyhow else can you explain me hearing the same song twice in an hour on a 700+ song playlist?
17:21.37mgearyrather. several repeats
17:21.39captbrogersI hate when you use a "shuffle" or "random" feature on a playlist and it plays the same few songs in the same order
17:22.59mgearyi also hate how hard it is in iTunes to get it to pull a new "random" playlist from a set of criteria
17:23.07romanovici hate how both itunes and ios shuffle the order of tracks in my albums, whether i want to or not
17:23.17captbrogersSo on to something else
17:23.51mgearyeasier said than done
17:23.59captbrogersI can bring something up
17:24.06macnewboldmgeary: is the song on the playlist twice?
17:24.07mgearythat syncs nicely with my iPhone?
17:24.17captbrogersI think I've figured out why more and more often we see Christmas decorations/retail out during America
17:25.07macnewboldperhaps their shuffle is really not a shuffle, in the sense of put the 700 songs in a random order, and is really just a random next song (i.e. there's a 1/700 chance that you'll hear any song, including the one you just heard)
17:25.09mgearymacnewbold: probably
17:27.21SunSparcIt makes sense that internet infrastructure should become part of the standard utility offerings.
17:33.07TuxToastercaptbrogers: you mean why we see them in September?
17:34.03SunSparc~America captbrogers
17:34.13SunSparc~decorate captbrogers
17:34.13ibotACTION shoots a large exploding shell filled with shattered christmas ornaments at captbrogers
17:35.13TuxToasterouch
17:44.06TuxToasterso question... if you're communicating with a web service via JSON, and it returns an error, is there a situation where you would ever consider it okay for that response to be a flat string instead of a JSON object containing the error?
17:46.56maheliouscaptbrogers: care to share your insight?  presuming it's something other than "The Retails want my moneez!"
17:47.19macnewboldTuxToaster: welcome to the club!
17:47.35TuxToastermacnewbold: lol
17:47.43captbrogersmahelious: sorry, boss came by to talk to me for a minute
17:47.47TuxToasterI just wouldn't expect that kind of inconsistency from a payment gateway
17:48.08macnewboldthe one i love are "json web services" that require the _request_ to be content type application/json and json encoded, instead of normal form encoding
17:48.11maheliousTuxToaster: personally if i pinged a json service and got anything than json back, i'd treat it as an error and ignore the response
17:48.26maheliousthe webservice should be smart enough to return errors as json objects as well
17:48.48TuxToasterthat's more or less what I'm doing, I'm actually assuming it's an error and displaying it to the user since it's usually "Invalid Credit Card" or similar
17:49.08captbrogersI honestly think that the reason that consumers are putting up with it, even though most of us complain about it, is because Christmas (at least for me) is always associated  with memories of photographs of my parents as children in the 50's along with all the other normal experiences with Christmas
17:49.32captbrogersSo people want to have that happy time back, when you forget how horrid the world is and just have a reason to be kind to others
17:50.17captbrogersSo: See Christmas stuff -> Forget world problems -> I feel happy and warm in side -> buy things because I'm in a good mood
17:50.42captbrogersermm...inside, not in side
17:51.12TuxToastermakes sense
17:51.27captbrogersJust my armchair psychology opinion
17:52.03josePHPagodacaptbrogers: i dunno, in my side, i'm feeling pretty happy
17:52.04josePHPagoda:-D
17:52.15BikerdanAlso, I think that with the economy, people are starting to get their Christmas stuff earlier and earlier.  If I was a retailer, I would want to be first to have the stuff available...  More money for me.
17:52.39TuxToastermahelious: agreed. I told them that it makes no sense to me that we've agreed to communicate a given format and then they respond with something outside of that format. If it were up to me, I'd put the implementation on hold until they fixed it... but I ended up writing a workaround that checks for strings and returns a psuedo object containing the error
17:52.43maheliousi should start a baptist offshoot that protests retail stores marketing christmas paraphenelia before thanksgiving.
17:52.57TuxToasterlol
17:53.10josePHPagodathe eastboro baptist church
17:53.15maheliouswe can be the South Jordan Baptist Convention of Thanks and Giving
17:53.27josePHPagodalol
17:53.28TuxToasterback when I worked for Kmart we piloted launching Christmas sales in September
17:53.30josePHPagodathat works too
17:53.34TuxToasterseems to be the in-thing to do now.
17:54.23maheliouswe'll paint the town in turkey blood, and donate roasted carcasses to homeless shelters.  :D
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18:08.10TuxToasterbed fail http://d.pr/i/DUQV
18:08.21TuxToasterthough it would be fun to get some duct tape and tape someone in it
18:08.23TuxToasterthen take it rolling
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18:22.47TuxToaster$8ball are you picking on jsmith today?
18:22.47raifbotTuxToaster - You may rely on it.
18:39.47mgeary~pick on jsmith
18:39.47ibotACTION teases jsmith until jsmith starts to cry
18:39.57mgeary~tease jsmith
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18:40.16ibotACTION sharpens her elbows and jabs them playfully into jsmith's ribs, "i'm just sayin'!"
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20:19.38TuxToasterhttp://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2012/10/01/apple-maps-wreak-havoc-with-new-yorker-cover lol
20:21.54DexterTheDragon~lart mindjuju
20:21.54ibotinstalls a bad bootloader on mindjuju and turns mindjuju into a brick
20:22.02mindjuju?
20:22.16DexterTheDragonmindjuju: bricks can't question!
20:22.28mindjuju?
20:22.33mindjujubricks?
20:22.42mindjujuwhat you talking 'bout willis?
20:22.54DexterTheDragonmindjuju: ibot bricked you
20:23.38mindjujubummer
20:23.50mindjujuhey DtD, was that pic of snow from this year or last yr?
20:23.56mindjujui scared
20:24.08herlomindjuju: you just need to learn how to ski
20:24.13DexterTheDragonmindjuju: that facebook one?
20:24.26mindjujuyup, pic of dog not wanting to be out in snow
20:24.32mindjujui totally understand
20:24.40mindjujuherlo, i know how to ski now
20:24.53herloyou do?
20:24.58mindjujui can do all kinds of cool stunts
20:25.01mindjujuhalf pipes
20:25.02DexterTheDragonmindjuju: that wasn't my pic so I don't know. was just sharing it
20:25.13herloheh, I don't think you can play video games while on skis
20:25.17DexterTheDragonmindjuju: my dogs love the snow but HATE the rain
20:25.37herloDexterTheDragon: 'dog*s*'?
20:25.47DexterTheDragonherlo: yeah I have 2
20:25.59herloit was enough with just one
20:26.08herlos/enough/too much/
20:26.25DexterTheDragonhaha
20:26.59herlo:)
20:27.07DexterTheDragonherlo: I was attempting to post everyday, but that only lasted a couple months
20:27.41herlowhew!
20:29.11DexterTheDragonherlo: know of any deals for someone wanting to learn to snowboard?
20:29.46herloDexterTheDragon: maybe, Brighton usually has good deals at the beginning of the season
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21:12.02SunSparcDexterTheDragon: night passes are usually reasonably priced at Brighton.  If you are just beginning, several hours at a time is more than enough.  Going all day is not a good idea.
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21:19.07DexterTheDragonSunSparc: yeah I was thinking I'll just get a day or night pass to SnowBasin or Wolf Mountain here and there.
21:20.05SunSparcDexterTheDragon: It is a lot of fun.  I love snowboarding.  Though it has been several years since I have gone.
21:20.26SunSparcJust another one of those expensive hobbies.
21:20.36SunSparcAnd I have more hobbies than I know what to do with.
21:20.51DexterTheDragonyeah I haven't been on a snowboard in like 10 years
21:21.08SunSparcOh, so you have been before.
21:21.42DexterTheDragonnot to a resort. more like oooooo lets ride this snowboard down these hills
21:22.30DexterTheDragonbut I figured where I live next to a dozen resorts I really should go
21:22.41influxBlokes.
21:24.59mindjujuno way google has underwater mapping - https://maps.google.com/maps?cbll=-23.442896,151.906584&z=3&layer=c&panoid=CWskcsTEZBNXaD8gG-zATA&cbp=13,235.92,,0,-7.49
21:25.04mindjujuthat's nuts
21:26.24mindjujuit is hard not to hold your breath as you go scuba-ing around
21:27.02DexterTheDragonmindjuju: that's to help those who end up in the ocean after following apple maps
21:27.31mindjujuDexterTheDragon++
21:27.40mindjujuthat was harsh; and instant classic
21:27.43Bikerdanmindjuju: Just hope you're not the type to want to pee in the water....
21:27.44mindjuju:)
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21:38.24SunSparcmindjuju: whoa!
21:42.28mindjujuthat is cool, huh?
21:42.40mindjujubut SunSparc, if you want to see next-gen cool, check this out http://harthur.github.com/kittydar/
21:42.43mindjujukittydar
21:43.01mindjujufacial recognition for cat faces using JS
21:43.26mindjujureminds me of eggyknap 's work with lolcats
21:43.30SunSparcmindjuju: what?!  So cool.
21:45.06SunSparcLooks like it needs some more work but it is already pretty good.
21:45.25mindjujuyup
21:45.33mindjujusadly it didn't detect helmet cat
21:45.50mgearynada
21:45.52mgearyzilch
21:45.55mgearygar keine
21:46.10mindjujumgeary, i'm with you with theexception of this
21:46.12mindjujuhttp://www.swapmeetdave.com/Humor/Cats/MellonHelmet.jpg
21:46.14mgeary~lart TuxToaster
21:46.14ibotresizes TuxToaster's terminal to 40x24
21:46.19mindjujufor my tests, i used images.google.com
21:48.10SunSparckitty detection is just one of the many functions that will be useful in the code library I use to build the ultimate android!
21:48.51TuxToasterSunSparc: you heard about the app that detects pictures of babies, right?
21:49.00TuxToasterseems like a similar one could be made for cats
21:49.29SunSparchttp://i1.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/250/draft_lens19495992module159265006photo_1337662370aa.jpg
21:49.38SunSparcTuxToaster: I had not heard of the baby detection.
21:49.45TuxToasteroh really
21:49.56TuxToasterhttp://unbaby.me/
21:50.33SunSparcLOL!!!~
21:50.41mindjujuawesome
21:50.44SunSparcI should totally install that on my wife's computer.
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