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| 14:39.01 | josephscott | time to update ruby installs |
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| 15:15.40 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 15:15.47 | TuxToaster | doh |
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| 15:37.18 | josephscott | $lart TuxToaster |
| 15:37.18 | raifbot | chops TuxToaster in half with a free AOL CD. |
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| 15:40.55 | mindjuju | any mac fanboys in the house? |
| 15:41.12 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I hear catpbrogers is ;) |
| 15:42.00 | mindjuju | i'm trying to do a full system backup, the docs say to insert the OS cd, in my case ive got the mt lion install CD and it says i should press the C key, i'm wailing on the c the whole time, but no menu like it says |
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| 15:46.19 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I've always had to hold keys not do the rapid press like on windows |
| 15:46.52 | mindjuju | i've actually tried both |
| 15:47.15 | mindjuju | extreme key mash with extra downward pressure in case the keyboard didn't think i was being serious |
| 15:51.42 | ninnypants | hmm so you don't get to the point of picking your language just boots into osx? |
| 15:54.37 | mindjuju | yup |
| 15:54.56 | macnewbold | mindjuju: time machine? |
| 15:54.59 | mindjuju | i downloaded mt lion from the app store (for like $20), does that count as an install cd |
| 15:55.11 | macnewbold | is it on a cd, or usb stick? |
| 15:55.25 | mindjuju | macnewbold, i want to backup the whole computer, apple.com says to insert install cd and hold c |
| 15:55.39 | mindjuju | macnewbold, i have both, but using the dvd at teh moment |
| 15:55.46 | macnewbold | good |
| 15:56.04 | macnewbold | with a pc, next step would be to make sure that the bios is set to boot from dvd before the hard drive |
| 15:56.11 | macnewbold | not sure that's needed with osx or how to check it |
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| 15:56.22 | macnewbold | why can't you back it up after it has booted and mounted all the file systems? |
| 15:56.52 | mindjuju | that's a great question, that'll be the first question i ask steve when i kick the bucket |
| 15:56.54 | macnewbold | i guess you could probably boot it of a linux livecd and back it up that way |
| 15:57.00 | macnewbold | steve wouldn't know |
| 15:57.22 | mindjuju | i'm not sure that is true, from what i heard, he had his finger in all pies |
| 15:57.34 | macnewbold | mmm pie |
| 15:58.45 | TuxToaster | mm. |
| 16:00.40 | TuxToaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUtS52lqL5w&feature=g-logo-xit |
| 16:17.51 | josePHPagoda | that's pretty awesome |
| 16:20.31 | john_anderson | http://www.internetpulse.net/Main.aspx?Metric=PL |
| 16:23.16 | josePHPagoda | ouch |
| 16:23.33 | john_anderson | you guys seeing connectivity issues because of this? |
| 16:23.44 | josePHPagoda | not that I've noticed, but my inet usually sucks anyway |
| 16:24.00 | john_anderson | for example, can you get to twitter.com ? |
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| 16:43.10 | clintberry | john_anderson: Some of our clients in arizona can't get to our servers right now. Do you think it is related or a completely separate issue? |
| 16:43.22 | john_anderson | sure could be related |
| 16:43.34 | john_anderson | I couldn't get to things in Cali and TX until just now |
| 16:43.50 | clintberry | I wonder what happened |
| 16:44.13 | john_anderson | I think it's still happening, to some degree: http://www.internetpulse.net/Main.aspx?xAxis=Metric&yAxis=Origin&zAxis=Destination&nAxis=Period |
| 16:44.25 | john_anderson | 10% + on two crosslinks |
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| 16:53.36 | TuxToaster | ~Level3-- |
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| 16:54.17 | PoeticIntensity | hrm.... regarding yesterday's discussion on apache / server optimization, I've been reading up on various opcode caches, and it seems that xcache is a good one.. Anybody have any experience with it? |
| 16:54.54 | PoeticIntensity | (macnewbold, mindjuju) |
| 16:55.01 | PoeticIntensity | ^^^^ |
| 16:55.04 | herlo | anyone here worked with an nss database and apache? |
| 17:00.14 | DexterTheDragon | PoeticIntensity: I'd recommend APC. It's built by the PHP team and there's been talk of merging it into PHP proper |
| 17:00.21 | macnewbold | PoeticIntensity: i haven't used xcache, but i've used APC a lot and it's really sweet |
| 17:00.24 | macnewbold | super easy setup, |
| 17:00.50 | macnewbold | and with default settings and normal timestamp behavior, can't serve stale data |
| 17:00.57 | macnewbold | so has no real downside |
| 17:01.00 | macnewbold | huge performance win |
| 17:01.08 | PoeticIntensity | nice... |
| 17:01.14 | PoeticIntensity | I'll give APC another look... |
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| 18:02.28 | Bikerdan | PoeticIntensity: We've been using xcache. I don't have any experience setting it up or tweaking it. It has served us well though. |
| 18:04.42 | tierra | most benchmarks I see, both XCache and APC perform nearly identical... if one is easier to install and manage on your web servers (depending on distro, etc), I'd go with that one |
| 18:06.03 | tierra | I've always used APC myself, and as mentioned, it really looks like APC is almost more of an "officially supported" extension (if you can call it that), but yeah, there's definitely nothing wrong with XCache |
| 18:06.15 | TuxToaster | I like the dashboard you can use with APC... not sure if Xcache has similar or not |
| 18:07.03 | mindjuju | any PCI gurus in the house? |
| 18:07.33 | TuxToaster | unless you're talking about PCI slots. |
| 18:07.53 | tierra | on a related topic, never write your PHP apps in a way that only supports one single object cache backend though - don't lock yourself in |
| 18:08.20 | mindjuju | hi TuxToaster, i'm meaning PCI as in compliance for ecomm, taking credit cards, etc |
| 18:08.29 | macnewbold | haha |
| 18:08.33 | macnewbold | that's TuxToaster's favorite kind |
| 18:08.33 | TuxToaster | yup yup. I actually don't use APC for object caching as much as for opcode caching... I prefer memcache or redis for objects |
| 18:08.40 | TuxToaster | macnewbold: sssh! :P |
| 18:08.40 | tierra | being able to quickly switch them out can save you big headaches in the future, and it's so incredibly easy to support |
| 18:09.03 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: I know. Okay, I give in. what are you looking for? |
| 18:09.51 | mindjuju | i'm trying to determine what SAQ a merchant fits in, if they only store part of the CC number for reference |
| 18:09.59 | macnewbold | Always round down |
| 18:10.20 | mindjuju | according to pcicomplaince, i'm thinking part for reference is the same as none since it isn't the whole num |
| 18:10.26 | mindjuju | i'm pulling from here |
| 18:10.27 | mindjuju | http://www.pcicomplianceguide.org/pcifaqs.php#12 |
| 18:10.28 | macnewbold | storing the first 6 and/or last 4 of the CC is always allowed from what I understand and isn't considered sensitive info |
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| 18:13.25 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: sorry one sec, got someone at my desk :P |
| 18:16.55 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: so if you're only storing the last four digits, that doesn't count as storing the full PAN |
| 18:19.14 | TuxToaster | basically the sensitive stuff is the PAN, the stripe data if you're swiping the card, and the CVV2 or PIN |
| 18:21.02 | TuxToaster | that stuff you can't store at all under PCI, and really not a good idea even if you're not trying to be compliant. Things like the cardholder's name and card expiration date are safer, esp. if you don't actually store the PAN with them |
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| 18:26.23 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: another factor isn't the storage, but the handling of the data. How are you getting and processing cards? If it's all through a 3rd-party eCommerce site that is certified, and they're passing you say the last 4 digits for reference, you're really not in scope for compliance since the card handling is on their end. |
| 18:26.38 | TuxToaster | so you'd be SAQ A in that situation. |
| 18:27.35 | TuxToaster | but if you are doing it in house, even if you're not storing the info, you fall in scope |
| 18:30.17 | TuxToaster | if you segregate any machine that deals with the cards to their own subnets and have access controls, etc. then you fall under SAQ C, otherwise you're probably under D if you're doing the processing mixed in with other systems |
| 18:30.27 | TuxToaster | hopefully that makes some sense |
| 18:41.43 | PoeticIntensity | You're quite multitalented, I see, TuxToaster.... |
| 18:41.51 | PoeticIntensity | Good to know... good to know... :) |
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| 18:49.23 | ninnypants | Apparently Linus thinks using tools that are hard to use make you more of a geek http://typicalprogrammer.com/?p=143 |
| 18:49.36 | captbrogers | I hate that attitude |
| 18:50.09 | TuxToaster | PoeticIntensity: you could say that. :-) |
| 18:50.14 | ninnypants | though I just noticed the post has a category if satire so who knows if it's real |
| 18:50.52 | TuxToaster | I like having a good understanding of things |
| 18:51.02 | PoeticIntensity | not a bad thing, for sure. |
| 18:52.52 | TuxToaster | plus having to be in the middle of the PCI implementation for a $2B company kinda necessitates getting it right the first time. ;-) |
| 18:54.19 | TuxToaster | bad thing about PCI though is even with the "standards" a lot of it is up to interpretation. Different vendors have different opinions about what does and does not fall in scope... one place I worked they were convinced that they absolutely didn't need to do anything with PCI simply because they didnt' store the card numbers. |
| 18:57.27 | tierra | "oh, cool, guess we don't need encryption then!" |
| 18:57.30 | tierra | hehh |
| 18:57.44 | TuxToaster | yeah, that was pretty much his take on it actually |
| 18:57.59 | captbrogers | Better than the IEEE storing passwords in plaintext on a publicly available FTP server |
| 18:58.40 | TuxToaster | mind you, the internal traffic between servers was completely unencrypted. and there were simple MD5 hashes of cards being stored for duplicate detection and log files and such |
| 18:58.54 | TuxToaster | captbrogers: seriously? |
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| 19:00.28 | captbrogers | TuxToaster: http://thehackernews.com/2012/09/100k-ieee-site-plain-text-passwords.html |
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| 19:00.56 | TuxToaster | ~fail |
| 19:00.56 | ibot | FAIL. |
| 19:07.33 | PoeticIntensity | That's..... wow. |
| 19:07.42 | PoeticIntensity | ~failwhale |
| 19:07.51 | PoeticIntensity | ~whaleslap TuxToaster |
| 19:07.51 | ibot | ACTION beats TuxToaster upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 19:08.11 | PoeticIntensity | sorry, TuxToaster, my fingers got away from me. |
| 19:08.53 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 19:09.15 | TuxToaster | I'm not sure I want to know how you're typing now if you're fingers are off somewhere else... |
| 19:09.42 | TuxToaster | which, reminds me of this |
| 19:09.43 | TuxToaster | http://furiousfanboys.com/2012/01/how-twilight-was-really-written/ |
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| 19:14.37 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... made me LOL again. I love it! |
| 19:16.57 | TuxToaster | my thought is if you can type that well with your face you've got some crazy (if not terribly useful) skills |
| 19:17.44 | TuxToaster | also would be entertaining watching someone write up an email if they were a bit upset. |
| 19:21.31 | PoeticIntensity | LOL!! |
| 19:21.48 | PoeticIntensity | look at that, TuxToaster, ya made itimber leave..... :( |
| 19:21.55 | PoeticIntensity | or.... |
| 19:22.05 | PoeticIntensity | maybe it was my unrestrained LOL'ing... |
| 19:27.44 | TuxToaster | haha |
| 19:29.47 | captbrogers | ibot |
| 19:29.56 | captbrogers | What's the syntax to set up a command? |
| 19:49.31 | macnewbold | captbrogers: just tell it to him: ibot, foo is something |
| 19:55.59 | captbrogers | ibot, |
| 19:56.04 | captbrogers | ibot foo is something |
| 19:56.04 | ibot | ACTION foo! || <action> bar is something || <reply> foo is something bar || foo |
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| 19:56.27 | captbrogers | Hrmm, I'll have to play with this for a second |
| 20:04.09 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 20:04.58 | TuxToaster | ibot, duck is quack |
| 20:04.58 | ibot | ACTION gives is quack a fuzzy, ugly little duckling, which immediately grows into a full sized swan and pummels is quack with it's big white wings. |
| 20:05.03 | TuxToaster | urm... |
| 20:05.17 | captbrogers | dafu...? |
| 20:05.27 | TuxToaster | apparently duck is an action. |
| 20:05.36 | TuxToaster | and oddly enough it involves changing species into a sawn |
| 20:05.42 | TuxToaster | swan, even. |
| 20:05.45 | captbrogers | a sawn? |
| 20:06.39 | TuxToaster | ~nuke captbrogers |
| 20:06.39 | ibot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at captbrogers ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 20:07.01 | TuxToaster | hmm, sounds like how I used to play Starcraft |
| 20:07.01 | captbrogers | ~poke TuxToaster |
| 20:07.01 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind TuxToaster, pokes TuxToaster repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 20:07.03 | TuxToaster | lots of silos |
| 20:07.30 | captbrogers | ~sack TuxToaster |
| 20:07.53 | TuxToaster | aha, there you go. ibot, sack $1 is does something to $1 |
| 20:14.03 | captbrogers | ibot, sack $1 is sacked because he was responsible for sacking $1 but failed. |
| 20:14.03 | ibot | okay, captbrogers |
| 20:14.10 | captbrogers | ~sack TuxToaster |
| 20:14.10 | ibot | sacked because he was responsible for sacking TuxToaster but failed. |
| 20:14.28 | captbrogers | Hmm...have to redo that one |
| 20:16.35 | captbrogers | ibot, sack $1 is $1 will be sacked after being responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked. |
| 20:16.35 | ibot | sacked because he was responsible for sacking $1 is $1 will be sacked after being responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked. but failed. |
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| 20:17.17 | captbrogers | Well that failed |
| 20:25.15 | TuxToaster | try ibot, forget sack |
| 20:26.34 | eggyknap | ...a m00se once bit my sister... |
| 20:26.59 | SunSparc | ~console eggyknap |
| 20:26.59 | ibot | ACTION gives eggyknap the consolation moose |
| 20:29.32 | eggyknap | ~thank SunSparc |
| 20:29.32 | ibot | eggyknap: my pleasure |
| 20:29.43 | eggyknap | (it was a guess... :) |
| 20:29.47 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 20:40.50 | captbrogers | I give you two options. Either die in the vacuum of space, or tell me what you thought of my poem. |
| 20:44.57 | SunSparc | You wrote a poem? |
| 20:45.05 | SunSparc | About vacuuming in space? |
| 20:45.21 | captbrogers | It's a vogon poem |
| 20:46.06 | SunSparc | Ah, yes, I will need my ear plugs for that one. |
| 20:50.31 | captbrogers | It's was written by my semi-half brother, he shares three of the same mothers as I do. |
| 20:54.57 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:50.37 | unum | who is that works for deseret digitial media? |
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| 22:08.51 | ninnypants | unum: carmony does |
| 22:09.00 | carmony | hrm? |
| 22:09.06 | carmony | I do, as does hhatfield |
| 22:11.33 | ninnypants | carmony: still no baby? |
| 22:11.41 | carmony | ninnypants: not yet |
| 22:11.46 | macnewbold | due date? |
| 22:11.50 | carmony | oct 14th |
| 22:11.56 | macnewbold | oh, there's time |
| 22:12.01 | macnewbold | but be ready |
| 22:15.37 | ninnypants | oh I was thinking it was sooner than that since you were worried about your phone being dead at WCSLC |
| 22:16.44 | unum | carmony: I was going to ask who to contact about a problem, but it went away |
| 22:17.02 | carmony | ninnypants: its our first, so I'm just paranoid |
| 22:17.07 | carmony | we're in that 3 week period |
| 22:17.16 | unum | there was a rentler issue and I REALLY need people to see my posting |
| 22:17.36 | unum | that's soon |
| 22:17.39 | unum | how exciting |
| 22:18.30 | ninnypants | carmony: makes sense I didn't really leave the house in the time leading up to Al being born so I didn't really have that stress |
| 22:26.15 | unum | we scheduled our anniversary trip a couple weeks early because we worried about the baby coming early, but then she came late |
| 22:26.22 | unum | you just never know |
| 22:29.02 | unum | actually I still am having a problem with rentler |
| 22:29.07 | unum | but it seems to be a firefox issue |
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| 23:35.17 | PoeticIntensity | congrats, carmony! |
| 23:35.28 | PoeticIntensity | First baby is an awesome time... |
| 23:47.53 | SunSparc | True, first baby will change your life, forever. Life changes exponentially with each subsequent iteration. ;) |
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