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| 16:22.26 | skinner | Today's weather forecast: |
| 16:22.26 | skinner | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktAKHww9wPo |
| 16:31.09 | fungus | Does clicking refresh on the FedEx Tracking page make it come any faster? |
| 16:32.06 | skinner | Either that or delays it. |
| 16:32.28 | skinner | I think it follows the same principle as boiling water. Don't look and it'll happen. |
| 16:32.29 | fungus | bummer. i'll stop then. |
| 16:32.54 | mgeary | fungus: not for an iPhone 5, i hope... |
| 16:33.12 | fungus | Yup. should be here any minute. :) |
| 16:33.31 | mgeary | what's your take on the map issue? You just going to tough it out until they can fix it? |
| 16:34.18 | fungus | Yeah. I think the maps look prettier, but for the missing content i'll just hack around it when needed. |
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| 16:38.00 | captbrogers | Any tips on initial server setup for a CentOS box? |
| 16:38.30 | herlo | captbrogers: like what? |
| 16:38.35 | skinner | Install it. |
| 16:38.39 | herlo | captbrogers: what do you plan to use it for? |
| 16:38.41 | skinner | and turn it on. |
| 16:38.43 | herlo | skinner: I had that thought :) |
| 16:38.55 | herlo | skinner: hopefully, not in that order |
| 16:38.58 | herlo | :D |
| 16:39.33 | captbrogers | Just ordered a new server and put CentOS on it. Just curious if anyone has their go-to methods, what to setup first, great packages... |
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| 16:39.44 | skinner | however, if you do it in that order i'd like to know how |
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| 16:40.45 | skinner | Setup the OS. Then install the packages you need to do the task you want to do. |
| 16:42.19 | captbrogers | ~lart skinner |
| 16:42.19 | ibot | beats the living hamstercrap out of skinner |
| 16:51.32 | fungus | captbrogers, network config, NRPE, Backup client, puppet client, VMware tools |
| 16:52.49 | skinner | fungus: What do you use for backup? |
| 16:53.02 | fungus | IBM Tivoli Storage Manager. |
| 16:57.15 | fungus | Then there's the other administrative tasks. Add to Nagios, Cacti, Server inventory, puppet definition, backup server, etc. |
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| 17:01.25 | herlo | captbrogers: setup epel |
| 17:02.19 | mahelious | i havent touched centos in ages. has it evolved beyond a hipsters Red Hat yet? |
| 17:03.38 | herlo | heh |
| 17:03.50 | herlo | mahelious: interesting reference |
| 17:05.07 | mahelious | i ask partly seriously. i know its goal is to stay fairly close to rhel, but these things always tend to become their own animal eventually. |
| 17:05.34 | herlo | centos stays pretty close to rhel |
| 17:25.08 | TuxToaster | mahelious: hipster's Red Hat? Don't you mean 50Cent OS? |
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| 17:25.54 | mahelious | TuxToaster: gangsta linux? like Michael Bolton? |
| 17:27.48 | TuxToaster | the bleeding edge distro would be called Hoodie instead of Fedora. |
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| 17:43.27 | skinner | iSoarOS - "To help you soar to great heights of success. The OS that just looks aweful" |
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| 18:12.27 | ninnypants | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.56 | mindjuju | LOVE IT - "we IGNORE the support questions" - http://www.nosupportlinuxhosting.com/ |
| 18:21.20 | mindjuju | hmm, no mention of bandwidth caps, etc |
| 18:23.46 | mahelious | lol |
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| 18:31.22 | macnewbold | mindjuju: take a look at limitations |
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| 18:36.19 | tierra | heh... "We do not host music or videos, use YouTube." |
| 18:36.58 | tierra | no SSL / shopping carts |
| 18:37.26 | SunSparc | Brilliant |
| 18:38.00 | tierra | 1GB disk / 30GB xfer per site (I'm guessing on one account) |
| 18:39.25 | tierra | that is some crazy limitations... not just no support |
| 18:39.52 | macnewbold | $12/year per site |
| 18:40.05 | mgeary | hey folks, anyone here interested in some rails contract work? |
| 18:40.17 | macnewbold | i wonder if by "site" they mean domain name, or if a single site with multiple domain names pointed at it is $1/month |
| 18:40.59 | influx | Gents. |
| 18:41.09 | tierra | http://nosupportvpshosting.com/index.php <- same people, but on the VPS side |
| 18:41.52 | mindjuju | i've had good luck with linode, i'll stick with them, though i thought the upfrontness about no support was hilarious |
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| 18:42.32 | tierra | and yeah, that is some cheap resources... though everytime you see "burstable RAM", you *know* it's Virtuozzo / OpenVZ based virtualization, which is the absolute bottom line virtualization that really sucks at actually sharing resources |
| 18:46.09 | SunSparc | You want a good deal on hosting. Try AWS free-tier for a year. |
| 18:47.38 | tierra | good point, heh |
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| 18:48.36 | tierra | if you're really an "expert", AWS shouldn't be out of the question, and it'll handle those same sites *with* SSL support on the free tier no problem |
| 18:49.08 | tierra | once your free tier ends (in one year) though, it'll be way more expensive, heh |
| 18:51.36 | SunSparc | tierra: Yes, it will be more expensive. I was running a Minecrat server on the free-tier and it was around $30/month after the year. Still, not bad for a heavy Java process that is running 24/7. |
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| 18:54.21 | tierra | heh, minecraft on a micro EC2, that must have actually been a little painful |
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| 18:55.28 | SunSparc | tierra: Nope, it worked out pretty well. We usually only had 2-3 people on at a time. |
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| 18:55.52 | TuxToaster | skinner: lol... love the iSoarOS |
| 18:55.56 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 18:55.56 | raifbot | forces clintberry to use Outlook Express. |
| 18:56.27 | tierra | if that CPU throttling kicks in, that has to totally kill a Minecraft server pretty much dead in it's tracks |
| 18:56.51 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: Your Minecraft server is rockin. |
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| 18:56.59 | SunSparc | ~TuxToaster++ |
| 18:57.33 | TuxToaster | w00t |
| 18:59.09 | TuxToaster | glad that box is getting some use. The only painful part is rebuilding a kernel, apparently. heh |
| 19:01.01 | SunSparc | lol, yeah, rebuilding a kernel is always an adventure. |
| 19:01.40 | tierra | heh |
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| 19:08.58 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: yeah, it just seems to take a ridiculously long time on that box |
| 19:09.27 | TuxToaster | though it could e anything from the way that particular OS is set up for compiling to changes in the 3.x kernel to who knows |
| 19:09.37 | TuxToaster | I just know it didn't used to take me over an hour just to build. |
| 19:09.52 | tierra | do you do it while still running MC server? |
| 19:09.56 | SunSparc | Hmm... interesting. |
| 19:10.26 | TuxToaster | (or I should say, it hasn't taken that long since I started using decent boxes, anyways... :P) |
| 19:10.43 | SunSparc | tierra: Yeah, if you did while the MC server was going that could have cause a bit of lag. |
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| 19:10.58 | SunSparc | Or yeah, could just be a slower processor. |
| 19:11.07 | TuxToaster | tierra: funny thing is I'm pretty sure the second compile (to add an option for high memory support) took less time (while MC was up and running |
| 19:11.12 | tierra | kernel compile... are you actually running Gentoo on it even? |
| 19:11.30 | TuxToaster | the first build took at least a couple of hours, and that was from a liveCD |
| 19:11.44 | TuxToaster | tierra: nope. It's a Minecraft distro based on CRUX linux |
| 19:11.48 | tierra | ah |
| 19:12.09 | TuxToaster | but I had to compile the initial kernel to get it to boot as the default kernel didn't include support for the RAID controller |
| 19:13.04 | TuxToaster | all in all though, it makes for a nice dedicated MC box |
| 19:13.20 | SunSparc | Agreed :) |
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| 19:14.05 | tierra | I wonder what it really has up on just using an official Ubuntu AMI on EC2 for minecraft, especially if it involves re-compiling the kernel on updates/install |
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| 19:15.35 | TuxToaster | tierra: you mean the distro? It has the advantage that in general it's easy to set up and configure. The base OS only takes around 25MB of memory, leaving the rest free for MC |
| 19:16.21 | TuxToaster | you generally wouldn't have to compile the kernel, but they made some decisions not to clutter it up with built in support for a bunch of drivers that most people wouldn't need |
| 19:16.37 | TuxToaster | since most people are likely to install it on an old desktop, rather than a rackmount server. |
| 19:17.16 | tierra | ah, yeah, I could see how that would be better, but still, recompiling the kernel on updates on a micro EC2 is just ridiculous |
| 19:17.59 | tierra | note that the Ubuntu AMIs are actually optimized specifically for EC2 hardware too though |
| 19:18.18 | tierra | but cutting out additional stuff not needed for MC would be even more cuts if done right |
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| 19:23.13 | mgeary | anyone here have any experience with iAds? |
| 19:24.24 | mindjuju_ | hmm, i think at that point, i'd drop the i moniker, first thing i saw when i saw that was Aids |
| 19:26.27 | mindjuju_ | so if i have a user on my system, let's call him "mobile". And there is a different computer and it has a user called mobile. If i give mobile ownership of a file and transfer it to the other computer, will that mobile retain ownership? |
| 19:26.56 | tierra | only if the UIDs are the same |
| 19:27.03 | mindjuju_ | k |
| 19:27.06 | tierra | (but it is possible) |
| 19:27.16 | mindjuju_ | so i should find out what the UID is on the old one, and then force mine to have that |
| 19:27.25 | tierra | yeah |
| 19:27.29 | mindjuju_ | awesome, thx! |
| 19:27.41 | mindjuju_ | ~tierra++ |
| 19:31.40 | SunSparc | mindjuju_: It is a good idea to check ownership after a transfer, because if "mobile" was UID=10 on the old system and "admin" is UID=10 on the new system, guess who "mobile" now is on the new system. :) |
| 19:32.06 | SunSparc | Like DNS, the name is just an alias to the UID. |
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| 19:46.20 | TuxToaster | tierra: yeah I haven't used EC2 much |
| 19:46.36 | TuxToaster | the MineOS also offers a web gui for managing server instances that is handy |
| 19:47.00 | TuxToaster | that was really why I liked the idea, made it easy to get up and going |
| 19:47.19 | TuxToaster | since the guide I saw for setting up a server from scratch involved getting the right packages together, etc. |
| 19:47.56 | fungus_ | mindjuju_, most file transfer tools copy files and set owner by name and not UID, eg. rsync |
| 19:48.09 | fungus_ | But others do not, eg. NFS |
| 19:48.53 | fungus_ | But syncing your UIDs across systems is not a bad idea at all. |
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| 20:17.17 | influx | hngh |
| 20:20.39 | influx | ~tact++ |
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| 21:13.21 | ninnypants | http://www.notla.com/archives/2010/07/nigerian-scammer-gets-a-laptop-from-me/ |
| 21:13.50 | ninnypants | people should do that to scammers more often |