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| 15:27.06 | captbrogers | That's it, I'm moving. Apparently, a PB&J sandwich is racist (when discussed in schools) because we aren't thinking of people from other countries |
| 15:27.08 | captbrogers | http://www.theblaze.com/stories/white-privilege-portland-principal-claims-pbj-sandwiches-could-hold-racist-connotations/ |
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| 15:29.02 | captbrogers | Seriously, as a white male, I will soon not be able to speak on the topic of race or gender at all because no matter what I say I will be an evil racist bigot |
| 15:29.38 | Benni_Hanna | amen. |
| 15:34.57 | mindjuju | i can see that i was wrong about a school's need to monitor students, i take back all indignation on RFID debate from a few days ago - http://tinyurl.com/964yqml |
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| 15:35.48 | captbrogers | Why is the world going crazy? |
| 15:35.58 | mindjuju | word |
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| 15:40.08 | skinner | Better watch it captbrogers. Using the word crazy might get you in a racist lawsuit. |
| 15:40.20 | skinner | Oh and the word 'why'. |
| 15:40.23 | skinner | Can't use that either |
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| 15:49.36 | macnewbold | 51 hours left: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/659943965/planetary-annihilation-a-next-generation-rts |
| 15:49.56 | macnewbold | currently at $1.7M raised |
| 15:51.03 | mindjuju | so 2wks ago |
| 15:51.09 | mindjuju | **yawn** |
| 15:51.11 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 15:55.26 | ninnypants | mindjuju: that's pretty bad |
| 15:55.34 | herlo | haha |
| 15:55.40 | mindjuju | what cameras in the boys room? |
| 15:55.47 | ninnypants | yeah |
| 15:56.54 | mindjuju | yeah, i decided i give up on that |
| 15:57.05 | mindjuju | i'll just pull Corban out of school and put him private or charter |
| 15:57.43 | tierra | macnewbold: galactic wars could be interesting... reminds me of Ascendancy |
| 15:57.57 | tierra | except it would be real-time instead of turn based |
| 15:58.52 | captbrogers | I think I'm going to root and flash my Galaxy Nexus |
| 15:59.13 | mindjuju | i bought a nexus 7, it is cool |
| 15:59.23 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I've been thinking about homeschooling since before we had a kid |
| 15:59.53 | mindjuju | i like the idea of homeschool and seen it work in several circumstances, and i've seen it not work in several circumstances |
| 15:59.58 | captbrogers | Thankfully the public school near my house has a great reputation, otherwise I'd put my kid in a charter school |
| 16:00.02 | mindjuju | i think it boils down to how disciplined the parents are |
| 16:00.34 | ninnypants | mindjuju: yeah and there are just more and more tools that make it easier as well |
| 16:00.52 | ninnypants | the provo school district has free online courses for all grades now as well |
| 16:00.55 | mindjuju | captbrogers, my local pub elem isn't stellar, but corban is in the ALL program so i hope that balances out? |
| 16:01.21 | mindjuju | ninnypants, i've seen a couple things like that |
| 16:04.42 | ninnypants | yeah and there's kahn academy as well |
| 16:04.57 | ninnypants | and I think google has a bunch of courses on programming and things like that |
| 16:05.09 | mindjuju | well for sure there are resources out there, and there is open coursewear for the advanced stuff |
| 16:05.25 | mindjuju | and several other univ also offer free online classes, Stanford et al., |
| 16:05.32 | mindjuju | but that, just one side of it |
| 16:05.48 | mindjuju | i've seen several parents who let the kiddos sleep in, study for a couple hours, play outside, etc |
| 16:06.28 | mindjuju | i guess if the kiddo can stay abreast with just a few hours, that's cool, but i think there are other lessons learned besides what is being taught directly |
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| 16:06.48 | mindjuju | like the ability to focus for a decent amount of time, ability to take notes, working with others, etc |
| 16:07.10 | ninnypants | mindjuju: very true |
| 16:07.43 | mindjuju | on the other hand, i've seen kiddos thrive in homeschool, grad a couple years early and even grad college early |
| 16:07.58 | mindjuju | so YMMV for sure |
| 16:08.00 | captbrogers | Sorry, what? I was staring at this bird over here... |
| 16:08.10 | ninnypants | yeah I like home school because it allows for a lot more creativity |
| 16:08.35 | ninnypants | YMMV? |
| 16:08.45 | mindjuju | your mileage may vary |
| 16:08.48 | captbrogers | Your Mom - My Vacuum |
| 16:08.54 | ninnypants | ahh |
| 16:08.58 | mindjuju | :) |
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| 16:10.39 | ninnypants | mindjuju: I've kind of thinking it would be better to just augment school with some home school instead |
| 16:10.57 | mindjuju | funny you say that, we're doing that too |
| 16:11.11 | mindjuju | best of both worlds |
| 16:11.19 | ninnypants | I'm not 100% sure what I'll do but having some after school projects like making a game or toys with a 3d printer or any other creative/technical/scientific project |
| 16:11.37 | ninnypants | mindjuju: cool I think I've seen you talk about it before |
| 16:12.08 | captbrogers | http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/d765/ |
| 16:12.26 | captbrogers | I got the e-book from my wife for Father's Day. That is what I'll be doing to augment public school |
| 16:12.42 | UtahDave | Regardless of which type of schooling is chosen, parents are still responsible for their child's education |
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| 16:13.25 | mindjuju | ninnypants - we had Corban in a Montessori school for preK and kinder, then pub school with after school supplements, child directed |
| 16:13.33 | mindjuju | he gets to call what he studies |
| 16:14.08 | ninnypants | mindjuju: the child studying what they want is something I really like |
| 16:14.30 | mindjuju | yeah, and really a strong tenant of Montessori |
| 16:15.21 | mindjuju | There is a great Montessori school up in riverton, in fact it's the teacher certifying place for this region, so it is certified, not just a name i've seen many people add to their preK school |
| 16:15.25 | mindjuju | sad to say |
| 16:15.27 | ninnypants | Montessori is the school where they focus on physical learning like they do the pouring water into a cup and wiping up what spills and what not right? |
| 16:15.31 | knicholes | Most of the homeschooled kids I meet are kinda weird in society. Public schools are a great way to beat reality into kids. |
| 16:17.02 | mindjuju | ninnypants, there is a lot of hands on, learning responsibility etc, but there is more traditional learning too |
| 16:17.28 | mindjuju | so at this one in riverton, they had math lessons broken up into packets and the children do them as they please |
| 16:17.30 | ninnypants | knicholes: I think it depends on how home schooling is handled many home schooled seem to not get out but there are also home school groups that get the kids together and have them interact and do things together, go on field trips together all that stuff which makes a difference |
| 16:18.00 | ninnypants | mindjuju: cool does the school have a website? |
| 16:18.12 | mindjuju | i love that sterotype about homeschoolers being socially awkward, mainly cause i never saw any socially akward people in pub schools ;) |
| 16:18.32 | mindjuju | yup, everybody just buttloads of normal in pub school |
| 16:18.43 | mindjuju | yeah, let me see if i can find it for you |
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| 16:18.51 | mindjuju | it's a pinch on the pricey side but worth EVERY penny |
| 16:19.33 | knicholes | Oh, there are plenty of awkward people in pub. schools too, but I think most of their false ideas of grandeur are mocked out of them at an early stage so they're more down-to-earth. |
| 16:20.41 | mindjuju | ninnypants - http://www.montessori-at-riverton.org/ |
| 16:21.20 | herlo | http://www.ted.com/talks/susan_cain_the_power_of_introverts.html <-- this may be relevant |
| 16:21.42 | ninnypants | herlo: that is a really good book |
| 16:21.48 | ninnypants | and a good talk |
| 16:22.01 | mindjuju | there is so much fail in that statement knicholes, i've had a buffer overflow trying to compute a response |
| 16:22.03 | herlo | ninnypants: indeed |
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| 16:23.44 | knicholes | mindjuju: You've never encountered someone who thinks that they're the best in a field when they're truly mediocre and just don't have anything to compare themselves against? |
| 16:24.06 | captbrogers | No, mindjuju is the best in his field. He has met no one greater than him |
| 16:24.20 | mindjuju | yes, bot i've seen them from both backgrounds |
| 16:24.38 | DexterTheDragon | knicholes: every java/.net programmer that comes out of college thinks that |
| 16:24.51 | mindjuju | classic DtD |
| 16:25.07 | herlo | lol |
| 16:25.10 | ninnypants | ~DexterTheDragon++ |
| 16:25.26 | macnewbold | imho, i think a lot of the successes or shortcomings in homeschooling have to do with the quality of the teachers |
| 16:25.40 | mindjuju | yup, i'd agree with that |
| 16:25.41 | herlo | macnewbold: aka parents! |
| 16:25.48 | macnewbold | xactly |
| 16:26.03 | ninnypants | macnewbold: it's the same with public school as well |
| 16:26.08 | macnewbold | in my experience, weird homeschooled kid almost always had weird parents teaching them… |
| 16:26.21 | mindjuju | apple doesn't fall far from the tree |
| 16:26.28 | herlo | macnewbold: btw, we're homeschooling our 12-year-old. It works out well for a distance divorce where the kid would otherwise not see one of us much during hte school year. Though I have to say that for social interactions, he suffers a lot. |
| 16:26.31 | macnewbold | ninnypants: yes, but since you have a lot of different teachers, the impact of any one weird one is lessened |
| 16:26.51 | mindjuju | interesting, how is that working for you herlo? |
| 16:27.17 | ninnypants | macnewbold: oh well I mean good teachers not so much weird |
| 16:27.21 | macnewbold | herlo: yeah, i can see that can be hard. i know a lot of people who have other communities that fill in some of the social gaps, like a social group or religious group they spend time with |
| 16:27.23 | herlo | macnewbold: I don't know, I think Shaun is intelligent and capable, but very nerdy and socially inept. It's partly his age, but I feel he needs to be integrated with more kids his age. It's hard to get that outside of school. |
| 16:27.48 | mindjuju | yeah that's true |
| 16:27.54 | mindjuju | there is a balance there |
| 16:28.13 | DexterTheDragon | herlo: sports |
| 16:28.22 | herlo | I'm actually working on getting him back into mutual here, but I'm not a big participant of religion and so the social component suffers |
| 16:28.33 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: no, he hates organized sports. We did that for a few years |
| 16:29.10 | captbrogers | herlo: organized gaming leagues |
| 16:29.17 | ninnypants | herlo: what about other classes at the places like the museum? could socialize there |
| 16:29.22 | herlo | captbrogers: yeah, just discovered the card shop nearby |
| 16:29.28 | mindjuju | herlo, try rock climbing |
| 16:29.38 | herlo | ninnypants: thought abou tthat, it's hard for only 1month at a time when they start classes varies |
| 16:29.47 | mindjuju | Corban has never been into the team sports so i put him in 1 person things |
| 16:30.05 | herlo | mindjuju: haha, he hates heights too. We went to trafalga in lehi the other day and he wouldn't go even though mgeary's kids were all about it |
| 16:30.06 | mindjuju | he had a blast with rock climbing so we got a membership at a place in provo,i think it's called The Edge or something |
| 16:30.15 | ninnypants | herlo: yeah that does make it tricky I was thinking there were things like saturday classes that were only 1 day |
| 16:30.15 | mindjuju | near provo 8 |
| 16:30.18 | herlo | mindjuju: yeah, that's what shaun is like. 1 person teams |
| 16:30.35 | mindjuju | so herlo, the way to get around that is give him $10 to touch the top |
| 16:30.44 | mindjuju | and have the cash out ;) |
| 16:30.49 | knicholes | mindjuju: The Quarry? |
| 16:30.52 | herlo | he likes guitar, violin, tennis, swimming. Recently he's taken a liking to basketball, so I might have team sports again |
| 16:30.53 | ninnypants | mindjuju: the quary? |
| 16:30.55 | mindjuju | knicholes, that's it |
| 16:31.05 | mindjuju | where the upstairs has the hanging loft thing |
| 16:31.19 | mindjuju | we got him a membership there and bought him the gear and everything |
| 16:31.32 | mindjuju | he did that up until recently and then he decided he wanted to do karate, so he's doing that now |
| 16:31.53 | mgeary | herlo: what was Shaun's overall takeaway impression from Trafalga? Did he have a good time? Anything he didn't like? |
| 16:32.02 | herlo | mindjuju: yeah, I've tried karate and tai kwon do and such. |
| 16:32.07 | herlo | mgeary: he had a great time |
| 16:32.26 | captbrogers | Tae Kwan Do |
| 16:32.28 | mgeary | Jackson thinks he's very cool |
| 16:32.30 | herlo | yeah, that |
| 16:32.41 | captbrogers | I took that for a few years, really wish I wasn't such a punk and gave up on it |
| 16:32.47 | herlo | mgeary: well, I hope he'll be back out in november. We should totally try skiing and a few other things at that point |
| 16:32.52 | mgeary | absolutely |
| 16:32.58 | herlo | mgeary: I know shaun likes jackson |
| 16:33.14 | captbrogers | I kept getting told by the instructors that they wanted me to compete in tournaments. I could be super aggressive and control a fight from the beginning |
| 16:33.20 | herlo | if only they lived closer! |
| 16:33.41 | captbrogers | Wasn't great or anything, I just wasn't afraid to charge |
| 16:33.44 | herlo | mindjuju: Shaun doesn't want to do fighting sports |
| 16:34.03 | mindjuju | just an idea |
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| 16:39.18 | herlo | mindjuju: oh, I appreciate the thoughts. From everyone, in fact. |
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| 17:04.36 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 17:04.36 | raifbot | overclocks mahelious until mahelious burns out. |
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| 17:26.26 | romanovic | in case this hasn't been covered yet http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/Utopia-Close-to-Running-Out-of-Cash-121153 |
| 17:33.57 | mindjuju | about MTUs, i understand that it is the size of the packet, does it make sense though that if I needed to have a higher size of MTU that I would need a internet service package that offered me more bandwidth? |
| 17:34.38 | mindjuju | i've got comcast on the phone and i'm discussing raising the MTU from the gateway to comcast and they are suggesting getting a package that offers more bandwidth |
| 17:34.55 | mindjuju | peno / fungus ^^ |
| 17:35.24 | fungus | Not related |
| 17:35.32 | fungus | MTU is max packet size. |
| 17:35.47 | mindjuju | that's waht i thought |
| 17:35.48 | fungus | stick to 1500 unless you have funny things like PPPoE |
| 17:36.05 | fungus | Or, if you have a very nice gigabit network and can run large packets (9000) |
| 17:38.19 | mindjuju | 1500 is standard ethernet, we're using a cable modem so i thought that meant we were using PPPoE |
| 17:38.27 | mindjuju | and if PPPoE then 1492 is max |
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| 17:44.39 | mindjuju | so fungus, MTU is max packet size, broadband speed is the rate of flow of those packets, and the xample in wikipedia about a 1500-byte packet over a 14.4k being negatively affected (taking up to a second to handle), is because the speed is so slow that it can't carry the full packet? it fragments at that speed? |
| 17:44.55 | mindjuju | srry to keep buggin', just want to be sure i understand |
| 17:46.33 | fungus | packets are fragmented by the router if it's passing to an interface with a lower MTU |
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| 17:48.26 | fungus | all broadband (non-dialup) generally uses 1500 |
| 17:48.36 | mindjuju | k |
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| 18:45.52 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 18:45.52 | raifbot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to Monnok, and goes postal. |
| 18:57.11 | Monnok | about time someone targetted me |
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| 19:11.07 | ninnypants | new password hashing functions in PHP 5.5 https://gist.github.com/3707231 |
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| 19:30.42 | josephscott_ | or just use phpass :-) |
| 19:31.17 | SunSparc | ~time |
| 19:31.18 | ibot | You cannot understand nature's perfect time cube! (2012.09.12 19:31:18 GMT) |
| 19:31.28 | josephscott | $time |
| 19:31.29 | SunSparc | ~date |
| 19:31.29 | ibot | It is now 2012.09.12 19:31:29 GMT |
| 19:31.32 | josephscott | hmmm |
| 19:31.42 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:33.54 | ninnypants | josephscott: does WP use phpass now? |
| 19:34.04 | josephscott | yep, has for years |
| 19:35.19 | SunSparc | In PHP5.2 the "openssl_sign" function cannot use the SHA256 algorithm. In PHP5.3 it can. I need a solution for 5.2 since I cannot upgrade a particular server. Any ideas? |
| 19:40.48 | jsmith | SunSparc: Call openssl directly? |
| 19:47.03 | SunSparc | jsmith: Yeah, been thinking of that option. Actually looking now into the openssl manual to figure out the parameters I need to do that. |
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| 19:54.17 | itimber1 | hey guys… anyone good at ssh tunneling? |
| 19:55.24 | itimber1 | I'm trying to set one up, and it's timing out.... |
| 19:55.40 | itimber1 | not sure if that's cause my IP is carrying over (which there is an IP whitelist) |
| 19:55.50 | itimber1 | or if it's cause I'm an idiot on ssh tunneling |
| 19:55.56 | itimber1 | (probably the latter) |
| 19:56.19 | itimber1 | my first command was to create the tunnel from a comp w/ a bad IP, to a comp w/ a good IP: |
| 19:56.48 | itimber1 | ssh -fN -L 9500:fileserver:22 timothy@home |
| 19:57.02 | itimber1 | then I tried a normal ssh connection to the file server: |
| 19:57.18 | itimber1 | ssh -p 9500 smb@fileserver |
| 19:57.56 | itimber1 | I'm getting an Operation timed out message, which is the same as if I try to connect w/o the tunnel and the IP whitelist blocks me |
| 19:57.59 | itimber1 | any thoughts? |
| 20:00.32 | SunSparc | itimber1: I do not have any thoughts on that, but I would also be interested in the answer. |
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| 20:27.56 | fungus | itimber1, because your second connection is attempting to connect to the fileserver. |
| 20:28.01 | fungus | That is wrong |
| 20:28.16 | fungus | The tunnel connects your localhost:9500 to fileserver:22 |
| 20:28.29 | fungus | so you connect like this: ssh -p 9500 smb@localhost |
| 20:29.41 | itimber1 | oh |
| 20:31.35 | itimber1 | looks like I"m already listening on that port… how do I kill my last port forwarding request? |
| 20:32.46 | itimber1 | THAT'S AWESOME!! |
| 20:32.51 | itimber1 | Thank you fungus |
| 20:51.36 | itimber1 | SunSparc: did you catch fungus' answer? That did it: ssh -p 9500 smb@localhost |
| 20:52.11 | SunSparc | Nice. Leave it to fungus to save the day. |
| 20:52.16 | SunSparc | ~fungus++ |
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| 20:54.04 | itimber1 | ~fungus++ |
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| 21:18.17 | captbrogers | hey jsmith, when did you take this picture? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Moonrise.png |
| 21:20.05 | tierra | nice, it sort of looks like it's from across utah lake, but city lights/freeway are completely missing |
| 21:21.08 | jsmith | captbrogers: Remember the "supermoon" in early May? |
| 21:21.23 | jsmith | tierra: Guess again -- wrong lake... |
| 21:21.45 | TuxToaster | ooh, ooh, I know, Lake Eerie. |
| 21:21.48 | TuxToaster | wait... |
| 21:21.58 | TuxToaster | :P |
| 21:22.19 | tierra | my guess is Deer Creek |
| 21:22.21 | jsmith | Here's another version of it... http://www.flickr.com/photos/websmith/7151374435/in/photostream |
| 21:22.32 | mgeary | yeah |
| 21:22.35 | mgeary | that's from the back side |
| 21:22.41 | jsmith | mgeary: Well done, sir! |
| 21:22.48 | jsmith | mgeary: You win a prize! |
| 21:22.49 | mgeary | south bound on highway 89 |
| 21:23.21 | mgeary | psh. i've lived in the shadow of Timp for all but 6 of my nearly 42 years |
| 21:23.23 | tierra | wait, what did mgeary guess? |
| 21:23.34 | mindjuju___ | the location of the pic |
| 21:23.37 | mgeary | tierra: you were right as well |
| 21:23.42 | mindjuju___ | i'm just curious what usage is |
| 21:23.49 | tierra | ah |
| 21:24.10 | tierra | timp is highly recognizable, I knew that immediately |
| 21:24.11 | jsmith | That, my friends... is Deer Creek Reservoir... |
| 21:24.17 | jsmith | at about 4:00am |
| 21:24.26 | jsmith | as I was driving from Provo to Star Valley, Wyoming |
| 21:24.27 | tierra | 15:22 < tierra> my guess is Deer Creek |
| 21:24.35 | tierra | :) |
| 21:24.41 | jsmith | tierra: Sorry, didn't see that |
| 21:24.44 | tierra | heh |
| 21:24.47 | jsmith | tierra: You win a prize as well! |
| 21:24.57 | mindjuju___ | wow, we have to go through Getty to use the image? |
| 21:24.59 | mgeary | hey tierra, i'll trade you my prize for your prize |
| 21:25.03 | mindjuju___ | jsmith^^ |
| 21:25.16 | jsmith | mindjuju___: It's CC-BY-SA, silly :-p |
| 21:25.41 | jsmith | mgeary, tierra: Here is your prize. Name this location to win the next prize: http://www.flickr.com/photos/websmith/7007717239/in/photostream |
| 21:26.18 | mgeary | jsmith: that's not in Provo Canyon |
| 21:26.30 | mgeary | it doesn't have street lights or power lines like that |
| 21:26.35 | mindjuju___ | you're running after your work? are you a butcher going after a free range chicken or something? |
| 21:26.39 | mgeary | and the mountains are wrong |
| 21:26.52 | mindjuju___ | bad pun, /me goes back to being totally stressed out |
| 21:27.13 | mgeary | but i'd say it's somewhere close to Central City in Colorado, on I-70 |
| 21:27.35 | TuxToaster | the comments on the photo didin't happen to help with that, did they, mgeary? :P |
| 21:27.48 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:27.51 | mgeary | comments? |
| 21:27.52 | tierra | I'd say on US-6 before Price.... but I'm definitely not sure on this one |
| 21:28.33 | jsmith | mgeary: Two for two... I'm gonna have to get more creative |
| 21:28.44 | tierra | 35mph... nevermind |
| 21:28.53 | TuxToaster | tierra: nope, mgeary got it, but actually there's not much of a spot in the canyon by Price where you'd be able to see the mountains to the west that well. |
| 21:28.56 | tierra | no part of US-6 is 35mph in the area I'm thinking |
| 21:29.09 | TuxToaster | there is a spot or two I can think of coming north that would be close |
| 21:29.30 | TuxToaster | 35mph? I don't think any of US-6 is that slow anymore |
| 21:29.49 | TuxToaster | Helper used to be 45mph through town, but not now |
| 21:30.50 | TuxToaster | tierra: ah, didn't see your nevermind, thought that you were saying the area you were thinking is 35. |
| 21:32.52 | tierra | heh, yeah, didn't read the speed limit sign until after guessing |
| 21:33.28 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 21:33.28 | raifbot | follow's john_anderson with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION. |
| 21:34.02 | john_anderson | wha? |
| 21:34.03 | TuxToaster | tierra: US-6 would probably be a lot safer at 35mph, though. |
| 21:34.29 | tierra | haha |
| 21:34.46 | TuxToaster | john_anderson: yeah, that's one of the stranger larts. There's a video somewhere that kind of makes it make sense. |
| 21:35.25 | john_anderson | k :) |
| 21:35.34 | john_anderson | In that case, I feel honored. |
| 21:35.36 | tierra | US-6 could be a lot faster in many areas, but it could definitely also use a median in those same areas |
| 21:36.39 | tierra | this discussion is making me feel like I'm overdue for a southern utah trip |
| 21:36.40 | TuxToaster | yup |
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| 21:48.50 | SunSparc | mindjuju___: yo |
| 21:55.19 | ninnypants | mindjuju___: is traffic already getting crazy there? Or does it not get bad until October |
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| 22:34.59 | mindjuju___ | hey SunSparc |
| 22:35.02 | mindjuju___ | hey ninnypants |
| 22:35.09 | mindjuju___ | traffic is picking up |
| 22:35.26 | SunSparc | mindjuju___: Do you play minecraft much these days/ |
| 22:35.28 | SunSparc | ? |
| 22:35.43 | mindjuju___ | you know, i haven't been on much lately |
| 22:36.05 | mindjuju___ | i was actually going to move the server as Corban doesn't play as much |
| 22:36.10 | SunSparc | Me either, but I want to, and one of my brothers just got minecraft. |
| 22:36.26 | mindjuju___ | still keep it running, just move to somewhere where it makes more $ense |
| 22:36.29 | mindjuju___ | :) |
| 22:37.07 | mindjuju___ | it is actually down today because it is in middle of move, started it last night when i needed something else to think about for a few minutes |
| 22:37.14 | SunSparc | My server is just a box at my house and my kids play on it and do all their creative stuff. But I really want a survival only server, no mods, no hacks, just pure survival, and no kids. |
| 22:37.58 | mindjuju___ | that'd be fun |
| 22:38.32 | TuxToaster | ~survival SunSparc |
| 22:38.38 | TuxToaster | meh |
| 22:38.45 | TuxToaster | ~mine SunSparc |
| 22:38.55 | SunSparc | Yeah, I think that is one reason I have not played much. It is fun to be creative with the kids, but when it comes to doing some serious minecraft survival, the kids kinda get in the way and mess things up. |
| 22:38.57 | TuxToaster | ibot needs to learn minecraft |
| 22:39.12 | SunSparc | ~minecraft TuxToaster |
| 22:39.23 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: "Why is this wall here? That wasn't here yesterday...." |
| 22:39.34 | mindjuju___ | man do i know that feeling |
| 22:39.36 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:39.47 | TuxToaster | and it's in the middle of nowhere. |
| 22:39.59 | TuxToaster | (haven't played Minecraft, but guessing it would go something like that) |
| 22:40.15 | TuxToaster | I tried playing the mobile version once or twice but was having a hard time figuring out how to *do* anything with it |
| 22:40.25 | mindjuju___ | yeah, i'm about simplify simplify these days |
| 22:40.31 | mindjuju___ | the simple life |
| 22:40.51 | SunSparc | I have been thinking of options. I could just make another world on my home box and switch to it when I want to do survival. Or I could get another box. Or I could rent some server space somewhere. |
| 22:41.23 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: The mobile version is not really all that fun for anything other than browsing. |
| 22:41.26 | TuxToaster | how much space/bandwidth/etc does it take? |
| 22:41.45 | mindjuju___ | the space bandwidth isn't the issue, its the RAM |
| 22:41.50 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: that's all I was able to do with it... I couldn't even get it to try to dig or anything to figure out how it worked |
| 22:41.50 | mindjuju___ | and you need TONS of it |
| 22:42.33 | SunSparc | Technically you can run a decent server for a couple people on 512kb, but more is definitely better. |
| 22:43.01 | SunSparc | 2gb would be great. |
| 22:43.15 | TuxToaster | oh that's not bad |
| 22:43.31 | TuxToaster | when you said TONS I was thinking that 2GB wouldn't even cut it |
| 22:44.02 | SunSparc | Yeah, I was running a server on the AWS free teir for a year on only about 512 and it worked fine for 2-3 people. |
| 22:44.25 | mindjuju___ | what does that cost now? |
| 22:44.34 | TuxToaster | that's not bad then |
| 22:44.37 | SunSparc | Then it went up to $30/month and I decided I could not justify that by myself. |
| 22:44.53 | mindjuju___ | yeah |
| 22:45.04 | TuxToaster | I've got a couple of servers at home, one of them has a good amount of RAM but I can't remember how much off hand |
| 22:45.47 | john_anderson | http://servercraft.co/ |
| 22:45.51 | john_anderson | SunSparc: ^ |
| 22:46.11 | SunSparc | john_anderson: Do you play? |
| 22:46.18 | john_anderson | it's been a while |
| 22:46.29 | john_anderson | they've added a lot of stuff lately, too |
| 22:46.36 | john_anderson | my boys play semi-regularly |
| 22:46.50 | john_anderson | there's a number of different hosting services that are in the sub $10 range, though |
| 22:46.56 | john_anderson | haven't used em, but might be worth a try |
| 22:47.01 | SunSparc | john_anderson: Yeah, my boys play regularly and they are always telling me about all the new stuff that notch has added. |
| 22:47.31 | SunSparc | Looking now. mindjuju___ What provider were you using? |
| 22:47.33 | john_anderson | yeah so notch isn't on the project anymore. you haven't played in a long time, have you? :) |
| 22:47.49 | mindjuju___ | linode |
| 22:48.13 | SunSparc | john_anderson: hehe, well, we just say notch because that is who the kids know. ;) They always tell me to ask him to add new features. |
| 22:48.28 | john_anderson | gotcha |
| 22:48.49 | SunSparc | mindjuju___: What were we pay for that one we were using? |
| 22:49.28 | mindjuju___ | i'll have to go check, it's the one with 1gb of ram |
| 22:50.20 | SunSparc | This servercraft looks decent. If enough of us were still interested in doing a survival together maybe we could make it work. |
| 22:50.41 | mindjuju___ | ive actually got to split to get to class, but i'd be interested in chipping for something |
| 22:50.52 | SunSparc | Hmmm... or I have another old computer, maybe I could repurpose it and stick it on the tubez. |
| 22:51.04 | SunSparc | mindjuju___: ok, laterz |
| 22:51.50 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: I've got a DSL line that doesn't see much traffic with static IPs and some extra servers |
| 22:52.07 | TuxToaster | I just need to do some digging and figure out what specs they have |
| 22:52.12 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: Yeah? Well hook us up brotha! ;) |
| 22:52.30 | SunSparc | TuxToaster Hosting++ |
| 22:52.39 | TuxToaster | but pretty sure I have a 1 or 2U box that has 4-6 GB of ram on it that isn't doing much |
| 22:52.59 | TuxToaster | so I could probably set it up and get you guys access to tinker with it |
| 22:53.22 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: 4-6gb?!? That would be amazing. |
| 22:53.33 | TuxToaster | would make me feel better about paying for the DSL since I haven't been using it very heavily |
| 22:54.01 | TuxToaster | I used to host a lot more small sites for people but haven't had much going on that recently |
| 22:54.07 | SunSparc | Heh, well, if we do that, and you need us to pay, I would much rather pay a friend than some business I do not know. |
| 22:54.25 | TuxToaster | agreed. |
| 22:54.42 | SunSparc | Really? I do web hosting as well, just as a hobby, but the machines are more geared just for small sites. |
| 22:55.12 | TuxToaster | and a friend of mine was telling me about a distro built on crux linux that he's used |
| 22:56.25 | TuxToaster | I'd heard of it, but haven't ever used it |
| 22:57.38 | SunSparc | So many distros :) |
| 22:58.42 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: Is there anything I can do to help you decide to setup a server for us to run minecraft on? ;) |
| 22:58.54 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: Perhaps we can even get you playing the game with us. |
| 23:01.43 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:01.55 | TuxToaster | yeah I've been wanting to try it out anyways |
| 23:02.04 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:02.21 | SunSparc | It is a fascinating game. |
| 23:02.41 | SunSparc | I have often gotten sucked into hours of it, just exploring and creating. |
| 23:03.04 | TuxToaster | I've got to go replace my thermostats when I get home, but hopefully if I'm not too braindead afterwards I'll go down and mess with the rack for a few |
| 23:04.01 | SunSparc | Just pulling off the old one and putting a new one on? Should not be too hard. I had to do that in our house before. |
| 23:04.16 | TuxToaster | yes and no. :-) |
| 23:04.28 | TuxToaster | I've done that before as well, I hate the old thermostats that are not digital |
| 23:04.40 | TuxToaster | but in this case I'm setting up Z-wave ones so I can control them remotely |
| 23:05.05 | TuxToaster | I haven't done it in a setup with central air before, but should be pretty easy |
| 23:05.34 | SunSparc | Ooooo.. that would be cool. Have you ever heard of the "nest"? http://www.nest.com/ |
| 23:05.39 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 23:05.58 | SunSparc | Looks sweet. |
| 23:05.58 | TuxToaster | I want to like it, some of the intelligence is cool |
| 23:05.58 | TuxToaster | and it looks nice |
| 23:06.10 | TuxToaster | but it almost seems too dumbed down and automatic for my tastes |
| 23:06.37 | SunSparc | Yeah, too smart. I wonder if it has a backend... |
| 23:06.37 | TuxToaster | I like to have a bit more control over exactly what it's doing when -- especially since my power bill last month hit $250 |
| 23:06.49 | SunSparc | Wow |
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| 23:07.13 | SunSparc | Supposedly it learns from you. |
| 23:07.24 | TuxToaster | which I think is because my in-laws turned on the A/C and left it most of the day so it was sitting there working hard trying to cool down and never could quite do it |
| 23:07.44 | SunSparc | That will do it. |
| 23:07.48 | TuxToaster | so the termostats I'm adding have a lock on them that will either allow temporary changes only or will completely prevent |
| 23:08.09 | TuxToaster | plus configurable variances so it doesn't go on and off with every fluctuation |
| 23:08.47 | SunSparc | Sounds like something a server admin would install. ;) |
| 23:08.58 | TuxToaster | dunno if they'll work as well as the Honeywells I've used before, but we'll see. |
| 23:09.00 | TuxToaster | yup yup |
| 23:09.15 | TuxToaster | I really wanted to do these... but they are not Z-wave. |
| 23:09.25 | TuxToaster | yourhome.honeywell.com/home/Products/Thermostats/7-Day-Programmable/Prestige.htm |
| 23:09.35 | SunSparc | I want to do some home automation stuff. Might have to look into the z-wave one of these days when I get serious about it. |
| 23:09.46 | TuxToaster | and they are way expensive given that I have two separate units |
| 23:10.07 | TuxToaster | http://micasaverde.com/vera.php is a good place to look |
| 23:10.20 | TuxToaster | right now mine is part of my Vivint system |
| 23:10.29 | tierra | I really just surprised that no-one had come out with something better than the traditional honeywell ones for this long... I think someone mentioned it had a lot to do with the massive patent base honeywell owns that basically no-one can even build a thermostat |
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| 23:10.37 | tierra | *I'm |
| 23:10.44 | TuxToaster | but I'm going to get one of those and pair it up so that I have more control over scenes |
| 23:11.10 | tierra | super easy for Nest to take on market in this environment, but they're now target #1 for Honeywell |
| 23:11.15 | tierra | for patent trolling |
| 23:11.38 | TuxToaster | tierra: the ones I'm using are non-Honeywell |
| 23:11.52 | TuxToaster | 2gig.com/products/ct100 |
| 23:12.15 | TuxToaster | but it remains to be seen if they work as well |
| 23:12.29 | tierra | ah, well, looks much more user friendly at least |
| 23:12.35 | SunSparc | Patents seem to be abused these days. A lot of creativity is shot down because of them. |
| 23:13.11 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 23:13.32 | TuxToaster | tierra: did you see the prestige one I linked above? that one has a nice UI |
| 23:13.46 | TuxToaster | and the Nest is actually really good in that area also |
| 23:13.57 | TuxToaster | but yeah, they don't like to make them simple |
| 23:14.18 | tierra | and what's the pricetag on that one? heh |
| 23:14.34 | TuxToaster | the prestige is like $350 and only sold to installers. :/ |
| 23:15.13 | TuxToaster | plus Honeywell decided to use their own proprietary protocol for controlling them |
| 23:15.22 | TuxToaster | so even their own automation stuff can't talk to them. Fail. |
| 23:16.01 | TuxToaster | ok, heading home... I'll see if I can pop on later and poke at some servers to see what I've got available |
| 23:16.05 | tierra | yeah, see, the market for thermostats is just ridiculous |
| 23:18.16 | SunSparc | ~lart the thermostat market |
| 23:18.16 | ibot | cats /dev/urandom into the thermostat market's ear |
