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| 14:26.34 | carmony | what is up my PHP homies?! :P |
| 14:26.44 | carmony | did I spell that right? |
| 14:26.59 | mindjuju | carmony in the hood |
| 14:27.15 | carmony | mindjuju: what was that hot pots place called again? |
| 14:27.29 | supernovia | the melting pot? :-p |
| 14:27.48 | carmony | no, the Chinese one... |
| 14:27.51 | carmony | in provo... |
| 14:27.52 | carmony | hrm... |
| 14:28.00 | josephscott | $8ball is carmony feeling ok? |
| 14:28.01 | raifbot | josephscott - Outlook good. |
| 14:28.03 | mindjuju | four seasons hot pots and dumplings |
| 14:28.22 | mindjuju | now with really real beijing chicken |
| 14:28.46 | supernovia | as opposed to mostly real? |
| 14:29.11 | mindjuju | as opposed to the stuff thats got the same name at panda |
| 14:29.33 | carmony | haha |
| 14:30.46 | mindjuju | so supernovia, was today first day of school for your kiddos? |
| 14:31.03 | mindjuju | Corban has been acting all nervous and skittish since Sunday |
| 14:31.10 | supernovia | Yup! Ethan is in middle school with a locker and everything :-o |
| 14:31.16 | mindjuju | oh wow! |
| 14:31.31 | supernovia | how did that happen? :/ |
| 14:31.59 | mindjuju | that's too cool! |
| 14:32.28 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 14:33.07 | TuxToaster | mine wasn't terribly nervous for it to start, but with the year-round schedule he only was on summer break for about a month |
| 14:33.12 | mindjuju | supernovia, you'll ABSOLUTELY love this site http://www.fourseasonshotpot.com/ |
| 14:33.28 | mindjuju | background music |
| 14:33.45 | TuxToaster | at least it's legitimate background music |
| 14:33.49 | mindjuju | logo is in a white block on a 3 col background |
| 14:33.55 | mindjuju | oh man, i love it |
| 14:34.08 | mindjuju | the owner is too cool, he and I spoke Chinese last time i was there |
| 14:34.10 | mindjuju | good times |
| 14:34.14 | TuxToaster | there has been problems on a few sites like the Cheezburger sites with people embedding hidden youtube videos |
| 14:34.20 | TuxToaster | causing pages to play random background music |
| 14:34.37 | supernovia | So beautiful … so… beautiful… I had no idea |
| 14:34.56 | carmony | mindjuju: this is where my friends live: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiamen |
| 14:35.00 | mindjuju | it's a great place to eat with friends |
| 14:35.41 | supernovia | awesome. So ya'll are going to set me up with your awesome single friends and we can go on a double date there, right? |
| 14:35.42 | mindjuju | tell them i was her http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalian |
| 14:35.43 | josephscott | awesome - http://devour.com/video/robot-swagger/ |
| 14:35.57 | supernovia | just kidding. I'm kinda dating Aaron :) |
| 14:36.13 | mindjuju | is that the guy that i met the other night? |
| 14:36.27 | supernovia | Yeah |
| 14:37.10 | supernovia | lol josephscott |
| 14:43.47 | supernovia | heheh |
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| 14:51.53 | carmony | mindjuju: have you played the new TF2 mode? |
| 14:56.31 | mindjuju | yeah, have you? |
| 14:56.53 | TuxToaster | http://devour.com/video/floppy-drive-ghostbusters-theme/ |
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| 15:02.34 | TuxToaster | http://www.funnieststuff.net/viewmovie.php?id=2998 it's kind of too bad there isn't a video to go along with that one.... guy supposedly watches some little old ladies beat up a guy after he hits their car |
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| 15:27.40 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 15:27.41 | raifbot | chops Bikerdan in half with a free AOL CD. |
| 15:30.36 | Bikerdan | I hate AOL |
| 15:30.48 | Bikerdan | $lart AOL |
| 15:30.49 | raifbot | declares AOL a moron. |
| 15:30.54 | Bikerdan | Nuff said |
| 15:31.26 | TuxToaster | would have been ironic if it had mailed them back AOL CDs until they drown |
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| 15:34.15 | mahelious | eh. winamps still free and i havent gotten a cd in the mail for years. i cant say i really hate them anymore. |
| 15:34.39 | mahelious | certainly not worth the vitriol that verizon and comcast have earned. |
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| 15:45.30 | macnewbold | mornin everyone |
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| 15:46.13 | macnewbold | so I have a question for y'all - as some of you may know, there is a box with donated colocation that runs UPHPU's web site, mail list, etc. |
| 15:46.55 | TuxToaster | yup yup |
| 15:46.56 | macnewbold | it seems to be having some headaches, and has episodes where its disks go into read-only mode, and then after a while, crashes and needs a reboot |
| 15:47.12 | TuxToaster | fail |
| 15:47.18 | macnewbold | it happened a few years ago and was resolved by software updates at the time, but this time isn't responding to that treatment |
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| 15:48.23 | macnewbold | if there's anyone who is interested in helping take a look at the box, or if we can't save the box, in helping host the uphpu site and mailing list, let me know |
| 15:48.55 | macnewbold | i believe it's centos, but not positive. wps has more details. |
| 15:51.16 | wps | yes, centos |
| 15:51.23 | TuxToaster | I'd be interested in taking a look, but it'd have to be this afternoon |
| 15:51.27 | wps | I think it's an issue with the hardware raid controller |
| 15:51.40 | wps | TuxToaster: that'd be fine |
| 15:51.42 | wps | I can get you access |
| 15:51.57 | TuxToaster | yeah, if they are randomly going read-only it could be |
| 15:51.59 | carmony | .... this link causes a loss of words.... http://t.co/EsQjpiei .... I Don't know how to react. :P |
| 15:52.21 | TuxToaster | carmony: oookay. |
| 15:53.27 | macnewbold | nice |
| 15:53.38 | carmony | macnewbold: pm |
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| 15:59.19 | mahelious | if for some reason the box cant be saved, my linode could be used to host uphpu for a bit. |
| 15:59.32 | mahelious | i may or may not be able to host the mailing list as well. |
| 16:02.33 | macnewbold | cool, thanks |
| 16:02.41 | macnewbold | I've privately received a few offers already too |
| 16:02.49 | macnewbold | it looks like at the very least we won't be left homeless :) |
| 16:13.26 | josephscott | sorry, must have missed something, what's happened to uphpu.org? |
| 16:16.09 | macnewbold | josephscott: nothing happened yet, other than some apparent hardware issues making the server less reliable than usual |
| 16:16.23 | josephscott | ah |
| 16:16.28 | josephscott | $lart hardware failures |
| 16:16.28 | raifbot | rm -rf's hardware failures. |
| 16:16.37 | macnewbold | i was asking around if anyone was interested in poking at the box, or failing that, we would move the site/mailing list onto another server |
| 16:16.40 | TuxToaster | maybe it's Dustin Fuller sending all those emails |
| 16:16.47 | TuxToaster | :P |
| 16:16.47 | macnewbold | TuxToaster: could be.... |
| 16:17.00 | macnewbold | we ought to make a uphpu employment agency |
| 16:17.08 | macnewbold | we could make some serious bucks as recruiters |
| 16:17.16 | TuxToaster | hey, it's worked well for me. |
| 16:17.22 | Bikerdan | If you guys would just come take the freaking jobs he'd stop! |
| 16:17.24 | TuxToaster | (on the employment side of things) |
| 16:17.49 | macnewbold | 10-20% of a year's pay for everyone we placed, that would add up quick |
| 16:17.54 | macnewbold | we'd have _awesome_ uphpu parties |
| 16:17.55 | Bikerdan | For crying out loud! Come work for InsideSales so he will stop sending those emails! |
| 16:18.04 | josephscott | 7 postings, man, they must be having a hard time |
| 16:18.14 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 16:18.19 | Bikerdan | Thanks |
| 16:18.45 | Bikerdan | The only hard time we're having is getting enought people to fill the positions. |
| 16:18.48 | macnewbold | actually, we've got an opening for a solid sr front end web dev, if anyone out there is interested in potentially being poached |
| 16:19.08 | macnewbold | Bikerdan: yeah, we have had the same issue. it took us many moons to get the people we wanted |
| 16:19.20 | Bikerdan | It's crazy out there.... |
| 16:19.25 | macnewbold | it's hard, cause the people you want are already employed, and most don't dislike their current jobs... |
| 16:19.31 | Bikerdan | Exactly. |
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| 16:19.49 | Bikerdan | It's hard to be picky in this environment. |
| 16:20.15 | josephscott | has http://www.insidesales.com/ filed a patent on their web site? |
| 16:20.30 | Bikerdan | on the name? |
| 16:20.33 | josephscott | in small print, at the bottom "U.S. Patent Pending." |
| 16:20.46 | josephscott | congrats, you've patented the idea of a web site ;-) |
| 16:21.00 | Bikerdan | WOO HOO! |
| 16:21.03 | Bikerdan | We'll be rich. |
| 16:21.22 | macnewbold | ~troll patents |
| 16:21.22 | ibot | ACTION hereby declares patents a troll |
| 16:21.31 | Bikerdan | Not sure what that's there for... |
| 16:21.34 | josephscott | the flip side is that everyone will now think you are a joke |
| 16:21.43 | Bikerdan | I swear, marketing people mess everything up. |
| 16:21.49 | macnewbold | hehehe |
| 16:21.54 | macnewbold | "it sounded good and legalish" |
| 16:22.03 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 16:22.18 | macnewbold | ~educate people who don't know the difference between patents and copyright |
| 16:22.19 | ibot | ACTION teaches people who don't know the difference between patents and copyright the basics, including how to RTM. |
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| 16:22.54 | Bikerdan | We do have quite a few patents pending... Not sure how that has anything to do with that footer. |
| 16:23.55 | josephscott | well, someone knows the difference, right about the patent line is: |
| 16:23.56 | josephscott | © 2004–2011 InsideSales.com, Inc. all rights reserved. |
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| 16:37.51 | beandog | o har |
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| 16:40.11 | beandog | ~reboot |
| 16:40.11 | ibot | Not on your life cowboy :(, or are you using Window$? |
| 16:40.29 | beandog | wps: did you have any luck with your box |
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| 16:44.12 | wps | got it back up, but I'm still not sure what the issue is |
| 16:44.20 | wps | I think that it's the hardware raid controller |
| 16:48.21 | beandog | yah |
| 16:48.24 | beandog | bummer |
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| 17:04.05 | tierra | weeee! more InsideSales spam, heh |
| 17:05.40 | Bikerdan | I've made them aware of the growing hatred for InsideSales.com. They say they're working on consolidating into a smaller single post with a link to our careers page. |
| 17:05.59 | josephscott | something related to PHP would be a good start |
| 17:06.30 | Bikerdan | josephscott: I sense much hatred in you. Have you had a bad experience with us? |
| 17:06.50 | josephscott | nope, just making suggestions :-) |
| 17:07.09 | Bikerdan | Suggestions noted. |
| 17:08.01 | josephscott | oh, and I like making fun of patents :-) |
| 17:10.41 | herlo | epecially software patents |
| 17:11.16 | Monnok | $chuck-fact |
| 17:11.16 | raifbot | There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of animals Chuck Norris allows to live. |
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| 18:14.59 | TuxToaster | http://blackacrebrewing.com/home/ |
| 18:15.03 | TuxToaster | click that you are under 21 |
| 18:15.44 | herlo | lol |
| 18:17.17 | herlo | TuxToaster: looks like an awesome brewery, too. |
| 18:17.48 | herlo | the Saucy Intruder IPA, Green Tea Pale Ale? How could you go wrong? |
| 18:18.24 | herlo | Street Lamp Blonde looks amazing, and I could definitely try the Apricot Wheat. |
| 18:24.14 | knicholes | It'd be better for the kids to be exposed to alcohol. ;) |
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| 18:56.34 | TuxToaster | supernovia: http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ee41/ |
| 18:56.55 | supernovia | hehhe, nice |
| 18:57.37 | supernovia | it'd go smashingly with my tardis USB hub and stuffed tardis (both given to me by lovely gentlemen) as well as our cardboard tardis that Mary hides out in |
| 18:59.08 | supernovia | oh neat! http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/8f7f/ |
| 18:59.13 | supernovia | now I'm stuck on thinkgeek :) |
| 19:00.26 | TuxToaster | http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ed75/ |
| 19:00.38 | jsmith | supernovia: Watch out -- it's a trap! |
| 19:01.02 | supernovia | indeed! |
| 19:01.28 | supernovia | jsmith: I didn't inadvertently send an upset text to the wrong jared yesterday, did I? |
| 19:01.44 | TuxToaster | the only thing I don't like about ThinkGeek is that they have stopped carrying quite a few things without any notice or mention as to where they went |
| 19:02.02 | jsmith | supernovia: I don't know -- were you upset at me? (No, I didn't get a text from you) |
| 19:02.19 | supernovia | hehe, okay, good |
| 19:02.29 | TuxToaster | darn people with common names. |
| 19:02.34 | supernovia | I sent a text to "jared" about my girl coming home without her brand new school shoes |
| 19:02.54 | supernovia | and only after I sent it did I realize it wasn't the right jared. I don't know what jared it was though. No last name :-p |
| 19:03.23 | TuxToaster | whoops. |
| 19:03.42 | jsmith | Nice... |
| 19:03.44 | supernovia | yeah. hehe. But I did send the right text shortly after, and got her shoes, so we didn't have a shoeless mary for her first day of school this morning. |
| 19:07.04 | TuxToaster | probably a good thing. She would have had a few maryism's to say about that one. |
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| 19:12.41 | macnewbold | Courtesy of a coworker: Select that you are under 21: http://blackacrebrewing.com/home/ |
| 19:13.21 | macnewbold | doh, TuxToasted beat me to it |
| 19:13.30 | TuxToaster | Toasted. |
| 19:13.31 | TuxToaster | lol |
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| 19:16.14 | mahelious | http://www.ksl.com/?sid=21802154&nid=148&title=police-say-kennecott-workers-made-meth-on-site-stole-200000-in-equipment&s_cid=featured-1 |
| 19:16.28 | mahelious | TIL a spool of copper is worth $35,000 |
| 19:17.20 | mahelious | must be one giant spool |
| 19:17.44 | TuxToaster | yeah they're pretty big |
| 19:18.09 | TuxToaster | bad thing about stories like that is it also encourages people who would be willing to steal copper by telling them how much it's worth |
| 19:18.23 | TuxToaster | they could have left out that bit and people would think "wow, that's a lot" |
| 19:20.10 | TuxToaster | For the $70,000 estimated value of the wire they only got about $2,200. |
| 19:20.48 | macnewbold | yeah, cause anyone buying it will be highly suspicious |
| 19:38.22 | mindjuju_ | wow, how cute |
| 19:38.52 | mindjuju_ | i just overhead one of the CSRs here say that he's going to put $500 into an etrade acct and only buy stocks that appreciate so that he doesn't lose the money |
| 19:39.18 | mindjuju_ | i was going to ask him which stocks were those so i could buy too |
| 19:39.32 | josephscott | haven't you heard? the best way to make money is to only buy stock that goes up in value |
| 19:39.40 | mindjuju_ | heh |
| 19:40.01 | mindjuju_ | btw, i hear facebook is less than half its ipo value |
| 19:40.04 | macnewbold | that's a great idea, but the execution might be a little problematic |
| 19:40.29 | mindjuju_ | so did people realize that FB, given enough time will eventually go the way of myspace? |
| 19:40.33 | mindjuju_ | or was it something else? |
| 19:40.53 | josephscott | hard to tell what is going to happen to FB |
| 19:41.09 | josephscott | I mean even AOL still has something like 2M+ dial up customers |
| 19:41.36 | mindjuju_ | that's true |
| 19:45.15 | josephscott | I will say that many companies I think are making a mistake when they make FB their home page basically |
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| 19:46.07 | mindjuju_ | you know though, i'm not sure the return is there though for all companies. like my mechanic, he's on facebook |
| 19:46.30 | josephscott | on FB is one thing, spend ad dollars to promote a FB URL is something else |
| 19:46.45 | TuxToaster | http://www.ksl.com/?sid=21804446&nid=148 wow. |
| 19:46.46 | mindjuju_ | you know though, i guess it does work to a little extent |
| 19:46.53 | mindjuju_ | he did have a carshow that he posted on there |
| 19:47.00 | TuxToaster | really makes you wonder why people don't pay attention. |
| 19:47.08 | mindjuju_ | had i been interested, i might have attended, but i was informed about it where iw asn't previous |
| 19:47.18 | TuxToaster | ~mull mindjuju_ |
| 19:48.54 | josephscott | TuxToaster: that is sad, I hadn't heard about that |
| 19:49.30 | TuxToaster | josephscott: yeah, heard about it a few days ago, but they just released the video. They have no idea why she turned |
| 19:49.50 | TuxToaster | I hope they are putting cameras on all of the trains like that though. And preferrably from multiple angles |
| 19:50.16 | mindjuju_ | cameras won't stop people from accidents |
| 19:50.32 | TuxToaster | agreed. But it helps both sides to get past fighting over what happened so they can move on |
| 19:51.41 | josephscott | if that video makes one other person think before doing the same thing it will be worth it |
| 19:51.49 | josephscott | in addition to what TuxToaster mentioned |
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| 20:11.32 | SunSparc | Looks like she was trying to beat the train. |
| 20:20.31 | utahcon | SunSparc: I think you are wrong, I think she was old (72) and probably thought what an inconvenience that crossing arm was to be down while she was turning. |
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| 20:21.45 | SunSparc | utahcon: lol, yeah, go granny go go go. |
| 20:22.45 | utahcon | I don't mean to be mean, but that is how I saw it. Still sucks, wish it didn't happen. I feel bad for UTA, no matter how much they are asked or volunteer to advertise safety, this will happen and it will always be "their fault" no matter the situation. |
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| 20:44.55 | fungus | It's really hard sometimes to have compassion for people being that stupid. |
| 20:53.56 | supernovia | Ever find yourself asking, "Is it a third Thursday yet?" |
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| 21:03.12 | knicholes | Nope. I always ask if it's a third TUESDAY yet! YEaaaaaaaahhhhhhh Tuesday! |
| 21:03.39 | mgeary | knicholes: … have i seen you here before? |
| 21:03.43 | mgeary | ~lart knicholes |
| 21:03.43 | ibot | gives knicholes an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending knicholes to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
| 21:03.48 | mgeary | noooo. not that one |
| 21:04.38 | knicholes | I snuck in this morning…m uahahahah |
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| 21:23.04 | SunSparc | Hmmm... looks like knicholes uses Integra for Internet connectivity. |
| 21:23.20 | knicholes | If you'll call it that. |
| 21:23.26 | SunSparc | lol |
| 21:23.40 | SunSparc | It certainly is not Xmission over Utopia. |
| 21:24.01 | mgeary | SunSparc: knicholes is one o' my superstar developers |
| 21:26.03 | SunSparc | mgeary: Well, then I guess he is alright then and I will call off the SWAT team. |
| 21:27.52 | Monnok | $rlart |
| 21:27.53 | raifbot | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on mgeary. |
| 21:28.38 | Monnok | hey, you can make a pretty sweet garden now |
| 21:30.05 | SunSparc | Eat them up, yum. |
| 21:32.36 | josephscott | I took one to a movie |
| 21:32.40 | josephscott | didn't have to pay to get it in |
| 21:34.44 | mindjuju_ | anybody have a moment to help me parse through some wireshark ? |
| 21:35.41 | mindjuju_ | http://screencast.com/t/Z7I5UIZtp2a shows a good ssl transaction http://screencast.com/t/l0DMcdBu shows a bad |
| 21:36.00 | mindjuju_ | if i'm reading this right, there are some packets missing? |
| 21:39.48 | beandog | chuck norris is the man in the middle. |
| 21:42.28 | macnewbold | mindjuju_: if you use TCP, you won't have missing packets |
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| 21:42.52 | macnewbold | perhaps a firewall is blocking some of the packets in the bad case? |
| 21:44.20 | mindjuju_ | the weird thing is a computer sitting next to this one works just fine |
| 21:45.53 | macnewbold | weird |
| 21:46.11 | macnewbold | does it have any issues with other ssl stuff? other sites? |
| 21:46.19 | macnewbold | or is it just that machine against that particular server? |
| 21:46.49 | mindjuju_ | there are a few machines with that particular server over port 443, though not all 443 traffic has issues |
| 21:47.03 | mindjuju_ | and other machines hit the "bad" 443 stuff just fine |
| 21:47.32 | mindjuju_ | there really isn't a lot of data on what [tcp previous segment not captured] means |
| 21:47.38 | macnewbold | hm |
| 21:52.28 | mindjuju_ | so why would i change things if i give the machine a new IP and it works. I'm not using a proxy or a cache |
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| 21:56.12 | herlo | mindjuju_: I wouldn't change things if it works on most machines/networks |
| 21:56.25 | herlo | if it varies from machine to machine, investigate why first |
| 21:57.05 | herlo | it could be a bad switch or router or a bad port the machine or something physical. |
| 21:58.04 | mindjuju_ | it's funny you mention switch, i just changed the machine from one switch to a different one during lunch |
| 21:58.20 | herlo | did that improve things? |
| 21:58.25 | mindjuju_ | no change |
| 21:58.28 | SunSparc | ~josephscott++ |
| 21:58.38 | macnewbold | ~josephscott++ |
| 21:58.38 | mindjuju_ | and setting dns to 8.8.8.8 doesn't do anything either |
| 21:59.01 | macnewbold | just being awesome |
| 21:59.15 | macnewbold | mindjuju_: so the same machine, when you give it a different IP, works fine? |
| 21:59.18 | herlo | mindjuju_: that has little to do with ssl, as long as you can resolve the host, ssl should be fine |
| 21:59.19 | SunSparc | And being a friend to fish heads. |
| 21:59.49 | mindjuju_ | macnewbold, yes, if i give it a new IP, it works fine |
| 21:59.58 | herlo | but, while 443 implies ssl, maybe you are using it for something non-ssl? |
| 22:00.01 | mindjuju_ | herlo, i was just double checking that it could resolve |
| 22:00.06 | herlo | mindjuju_: :) |
| 22:01.00 | mindjuju_ | but right now, my brain tired |
| 22:01.23 | herlo | lol |
| 22:01.49 | mindjuju_ | now that i think about it, this is a reoccuring issue |
| 22:02.01 | mindjuju_ | i've seen it before where certain ssl pages won't pull all the way up |
| 22:02.09 | mindjuju_ | but it's rare and not always on the same machine |
| 22:02.18 | mindjuju_ | but once a machine is "afflicted" it has problems |
| 22:02.30 | mindjuju_ | i've seen this here maybe 5x in 3yrs? |
| 22:04.43 | herlo | seems odd |
| 22:05.07 | mindjuju_ | yeah |
| 22:05.38 | mindjuju_ | so herlo though, from that wireshark, doesn't it seem like it saying part of the comm is missing? |
| 22:06.01 | herlo | mindjuju_: I didn't look at the wireshark output |
| 22:06.16 | mindjuju_ | 01http://screencast.com/t/Z7I5UIZtp2a shows a good ssl transaction http://screencast.com/t/l0DMcdBu shows a bad01 |
| 22:06.52 | mindjuju_ | oh man |
| 22:06.57 | herlo | mindjuju_: it's all good |
| 22:07.01 | herlo | I can see it barely |
| 22:07.14 | mindjuju_ | so is my text all jacked up again? |
| 22:07.23 | herlo | I don't know how you do it |
| 22:07.42 | herlo | but it's fine, I can deal with it :) |
| 22:09.33 | peno | barfy jing. |
| 22:09.54 | herlo | lol |
| 22:10.02 | mindjuju_ | sorry peno, i can out in another way |
| 22:10.22 | peno | it's fine, i just have a personal disdain against it. |
| 22:11.32 | peno | our support dept. uses it, saves the swf to a network share that devs can't access and I get to deal with it. |
| 22:11.47 | TuxToaster | nice |
| 22:13.10 | mindjuju_ | so am i misunderstanding what TCP Previous segment not captured means? |
| 22:14.05 | mindjuju_ | ooh, i just had an idea |
| 22:14.24 | mindjuju_ | since this is winders, can i use curl for windows , wouldn't that show me the connection |
| 22:14.35 | mindjuju_ | or wget? |
| 22:14.47 | herlo | curl is probably better since it handles ssl better |
| 22:14.54 | herlo | at least imo |
| 22:15.27 | mindjuju_ | i think wireshark is prolly giving the most / detailed info, but /me's brain just isn't able to parse it -> dumb it down a notch |
| 22:20.55 | herlo | heh, looked like bad data on the wire to me |
| 22:20.59 | herlo | but I could be wrong |
| 22:22.33 | mindjuju_ | k, so i'm not sure why this makes more sense, it still fails, but at least it is the same as wireshark |
| 22:22.38 | mindjuju_ | it hangs just after client hello |
| 22:22.44 | mindjuju_ | which is what wireshark said |
| 22:23.20 | mindjuju_ | 01http://screencast.com/t/Z7I5UIZtp2a |
| 23:00.03 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
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| 23:19.01 | mindjuju_ | herlo, i'm just curious here |
| 23:19.19 | mindjuju_ | this couldn't be an ARP issue because it's not affecting all traffic to the machine, only some of the ssl traffic |
| 23:19.25 | mindjuju_ | yes? |
| 23:19.45 | mindjuju_ | course, you did say you wondered if it could be a switch issue... |
| 23:22.49 | fungus | mindjuju_, based on the scope of the problem, it's probably the client. Try a diff browser. clear cache, reset ip stack, etc. etc. |
| 23:25.00 | mindjuju_ | hmm, hpe this doesn't sound argumentative, but I did try those things already, but i'll swing back around and approach them again. on browsers, FF, chrome and IE all fail to render the page, didn't clear cache, but on Chrome, it was actually a new install on the machine, though i can go back and clear cache on FF and IE to see if that helps. reset IP reissues the same IP adn that didn't help, though if i gave it a new IP, it worked |
| 23:25.12 | mindjuju_ | i see what you're saying though, and will re-examine the basics |
| 23:26.26 | fungus | Your wireshark results do show that SSL traffic is passing back and forth between the machine and the website in question. |
| 23:26.49 | mindjuju_ | so that was a bad lead then, that missing data thing it had in black and red |
| 23:26.50 | fungus | That doesn't lend any legitimacy to problems on your network. |
| 23:27.09 | mindjuju_ | i took it as bad but i guess no |
| 23:27.14 | mindjuju_ | hmm |
| 23:28.06 | fungus | That error you saw looks like packets from a stream that started before you started wireshark. |
| 23:28.20 | fungus | not a big deal. |
| 23:28.26 | mindjuju_ | k |
| 23:28.48 | fungus | But the rest of the output shows that you have traffic passing properly. |
| 23:28.56 | mindjuju_ | the other thing is that when these started having issues, i immediately suspected end user did something so i had them reimaged on the spot |
| 23:29.06 | mindjuju_ | problem persisst beyond a reimage of the entire machine |
| 23:30.35 | mindjuju_ | you know what's weird though, is that if i take that "bad ip" and give it to another CSR computer, even if it was working 2 minutes ago, it will start to fail in the exact same way |
| 23:30.41 | fungus | look at the dev tools in the browser, it will point out the results of the failed HTTP query. |
| 23:30.44 | mindjuju_ | so that goes your way, something on the client computer |
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| 23:31.58 | fungus | Especially since you have traffic coming back from the server. |
| 23:33.52 | mindjuju_ | so on that, i couldn't get much detail from chrome dev tools to get me a good indicator where things failed, so i asked curl -vvvv to tell me, and it said http://screencast.com/t/YZgIstR7vLMx |
| 23:34.14 | mindjuju_ | which matches up nicely to what wireshark said, failure right after the hello |
| 23:34.25 | mindjuju_ | err, well at least that thing about missing data |
| 23:35.17 | fungus | Do you know that those "missing data" packets are in fact related to that same session? |
| 23:35.37 | fungus | compare src and dest port numbers. |
| 23:35.39 | mindjuju_ | so, what i did was in the dev tools, i found the thing that wasn't downloading and hanging |
| 23:36.12 | mindjuju_ | so i took that and removed all other things, browser windows, etc and just loaded chrome and then put in the URL, started wireshark, then hit the return key on chrome to load the url that failed previous |
| 23:36.18 | fungus | mindjuju_, perfect. and that curl output shows that the SSL handshake is having a problem. |
| 23:36.21 | mindjuju_ | hoping to isolate as much as possible |
| 23:36.48 | fungus | mindjuju_, post your pcap |
| 23:36.48 | mindjuju_ | did you see this one fungus? http://screencast.com/t/l0DMcdBu |
| 23:37.12 | mindjuju_ | k, give me quick sec |
| 23:42.14 | mindjuju_ | fungus, sent to l@lo.com email addy |
| 23:42.26 | mindjuju_ | abbreviations so i don't post your email addy |
| 23:54.05 | fungus | mindjuju_, it's missing a packet right before that Continuation Data packet. It's the top of the Cert negotiation. |
| 23:54.34 | mindjuju_ | so i wondered that fungus, but macnewbold said TCP never loses packet |
| 23:54.37 | mindjuju_ | or something like that |
| 23:55.01 | mindjuju_ | actually, here is what he said |
| 23:55.02 | mindjuju_ | 07[15:42] <@macnewbold> 02mindjuju_: if you use TCP, you won't have missing packets01 |
| 23:55.09 | fungus | It loses packets all the time, but it sends retries. and that's what is going on here. |
| 23:56.26 | fungus | Can you get a capture of the same thing at your firewall? |
| 23:57.48 | mindjuju_ | from the firewall, all i can do is ping and tracert |
| 23:58.14 | mindjuju_ | i guess that's possible herlo |
| 23:58.27 | mindjuju_ | and both are receiving some of the packets? |
| 23:58.54 | fungus | That usually causes the other to stall longer than 1 packet. |
| 23:59.23 | herlo | usually, when that happens, it's one or the other that gets most of the packets, yeah |
| 23:59.33 | fungus | yup |
| 23:59.38 | mindjuju_ | i can restart my firewall / gateway / network aggregator and see if that helps |
| 23:59.44 | fungus | mindjuju_, do you have a local firewall on the machine? |
| 23:59.51 | herlo | but if for some reason, dhcp is giving the ip out again at some point during the transfer, it could be failing in the middle |
| 23:59.54 | fungus | windows, symantec, etc? |