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03:22.16josephscott$lart my way out of a box
03:22.17raifbotdecapitates my way out of a box conan the destroyer style.
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04:28.38mgearyanyone here done much with Selenium?
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15:05.06ninnypants<PROTECTED>
15:05.44captbrogers...should we run "Bobby Tables" on them?
15:07.26Monnokfor sure... or email them
15:08.26captbrogersI'm sorely tempted to add '; DROP TABLE Users;
15:08.53Monnoktell them at the very LEAST, to turn off display_errors
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15:19.18jsmithninnypants: I'd just warn them, rather than do something destructive
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15:23.09captbrogersI'm on Twitter with them now telling them about it
15:23.10ninnypantsjsmith: yeah didn't plan on doing anything destructive just surprised by how obvious the failure is
15:23.23mindjuju_jsmith, always the voice of reason
15:23.33captbrogers...party pooper.
15:23.38jsmithmindjuju_: Somebody in here has to be the grown up
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15:24.04jsmithI just know what happened to another guy who tried to get his neighbor's attention about a web security issue
15:24.23jsmithHe's got a permanent record (and his own page on the Department of Justice website) now
15:24.34mindjujuoh nice
15:24.46ninnypantsooh my own page now that's tempting ;)
15:25.00jsmithSo when you google for his name, you find out about his arrest and prosecution
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15:25.10jsmithLet's just say it hasn't been the best thing for his career
15:25.10mindjujuouch
15:26.44ninnypantscaptbrogers: I think the guy running x96's twitter account has no clue what you're talking about
15:27.01captbrogersI also called and asked to speak with their IT guy, left a message
15:27.02jsmithmindjuju: Nope.  I've enver been convicted on anything more serious than failing to renew my car registration on time :-p
15:27.53mindjujuso uh jsmith, you ever been to Sedona?
15:28.28jsmithmindjuju: Sedona, AZ?  Nope, can't say that I have
15:28.39mindjujusure sure, just curious
15:28.43mindjujuhttp://sedonaeye.com/tag/jared-smith-felony-arrest-warrant
15:28.57mindjujulisten, i got to go now, don't mind me
15:29.15ninnypantscaptbrogers: if their IT is as bad as RFH makes them out to be I doubt anything will ever happen
15:29.45jsmithmindjuju: That's OK, you're wanted in Garland, TX
15:29.53mindjujuoh man!  http://florida.arrests.org/Arrests/Jared_Smith_8095604/
15:30.05mindjujuyour picture is on the interwebs!
15:30.07ninnypantsthat's quite the tag
15:30.21jsmithmindjuju: http://www.ci.garland.tx.us/warrants/war-uv.htm
15:30.25mindjujuyou have been a naughty boy jsmith
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15:30.59mindjujuhilarious!  a warrant out for me
15:31.30mindjujucourse if i was born in 1980, that'd make me 32
15:32.04ninnypantsmindjuju: 3 warrants
15:32.35jsmithmindjuju: Did I ever tell you about the first time the police called looking for me?
15:33.09jsmithmindjuju: My mom got a call from the police -- saying that she was going to need to come down to the police station and answer some questions, because I was in bad trouble and had a warrant out for my arrest
15:33.18jsmithmindjuju: Only problem is, I was about three months old :-p
15:33.48josephscottwouldn't stop the TSA, why should it stop the police? ;-)
15:34.12maheliousjsmith: that hardly a good argument.  look at the reign of terror instituted by Stewie Griffin.
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15:34.38maheliousive seen a couple of mice cause some pretty significant damage as well.  always wondering what to do that night.
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15:35.15mindjujujsmith, that's awesome
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15:36.25TuxToasterhttp://youtu.be/6xFZ_GMh63Y?rel=0 this is awesome
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15:44.26captbrogersI'm wanted for Tax Fraud http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=62842
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15:45.08captbrogersand I am also no white and an MMA fighter
15:46.55beandog~smack osx
15:46.55ibotACTION smacks osx upside the head.
15:53.57ninnypantsmindjuju: http://rncctv.com/
16:15.49supernovia~lart beandog
16:15.49ibotshoves a crumpet down beandog's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that?
16:17.02beandogmy mac won't boot :(
16:17.10beandoghow do you get in the rescue mode thingie with the CD
16:17.32mindjujuzap the pram!
16:18.07beandoghuh?
16:18.11beandogI guess I could
16:18.18mindjujuno don't
16:18.30mindjujuthat's the only troubleshooting step i recall from my support days
16:18.42mindjujui don't even know if they use pram
16:18.46mindjujufungus?
16:19.30fungusbeandog, hold down C while it boots
16:19.41fungusthat boots the CD
16:19.57captbrogersGo to the Genius Bar, have them press the power button, then let them tell you that there is nothing that can be done about it and offer you 5% off a new computer.
16:19.59fungusor hold down Option and be presented w/ a list of boot choices
16:20.18mindjujucan you still zap the pram fungus?
16:20.24beandogwhoops
16:20.28beandogmy partition just disappeared
16:20.30beandogthat can't be good
16:20.30fungusit's not called pram anymore.  But yes
16:20.52fungusand it's not necessary 99% of the time.
16:22.38fungusIt's called nvram, and really is just analogous to BIOS settings.
16:23.28mindjujui think i'm going to make a shirt that says "have you zapped your PRAM lately"
16:23.53beandogman
16:23.54funguslol
16:23.58beandogI don't wanna reinstall
16:24.04beandogwe lost o ur snow leopard disk
16:24.31beandogdoes anyone have one I can borrow
16:24.35funguszapping PRAM and repairing permissions are those magical things that the Mac community used to do to fix everything.
16:24.37beandogI've only got Leopard
16:24.39mindjujuis that a euphamism for we torrented the disk the first time?
16:24.46mindjuju;)
16:24.52beandogmindjuju: no, we have all the CDs for all the releases
16:24.59mindjujui'm just teasing
16:25.00beandogwe lost Snow Leopard somewhere
16:25.19mindjujui'm really just bitter that my phone server reports aren't working and the comapny that supports it are goofuses
16:26.12fungusbeandog, I don't have an SL disk here at work, only at home.  But I have Lion and Mtn. Lion.
16:28.01beandogfungus: the latest mine can run is Snow Leopard
16:28.03beandogits an older Macbook
16:28.17fungusbummer.
16:28.45beandogbah
16:28.48beandogverify disk failed :(
16:28.53beandogsupernovia: do you have a copy?
16:29.02maheliousim reading these comments with a modest amount of derision, but im sure within a year ill be in the same boat with jelly beans and ice cream sandwiches
16:29.20supernoviawait whut?
16:29.50supernoviawhat do you need a copy of?
16:29.55beandogsnow leopard
16:29.57beandogwe lost ours at work
16:29.58beandog:(
16:30.01supernoviad'oh
16:30.04supernoviaUm, I might have it
16:30.07carmonyI have one
16:30.09carmonyin Ogden
16:30.32supernoviaI'm pretty sure my imac has snow leopard and I don't toss the discs
16:30.39ninnypantsbeandog: I think I have one
16:31.00mahelioushow big are the disks?  could you rip it to iso and throw it in dropbox?
16:31.06supernoviayou can come dig through my collection if ya want, beandog. Or it sounds like everyone else has theirs (and probably in a more organized manner than I've got)
16:31.28beandogcaptbrogers: lol, 5%?
16:32.10beandogfungus: no, never got boot options.  I tried to do alt / shift / v, and they would show a little progress bar then it would turn off completely
16:32.18beandogsupernovia: can you check for me? :(
16:32.46fungusbeandog, if you can wait till about 6 I can let you borrow mine.
16:33.25beandogfungus: yah?  that'd be helpful
16:33.28beandogI've got Leopard and can install that
16:34.08beandogheh, we've got Tiger too.  I think I'm gonna try that
16:34.19beandogmy co-worker says "knowing you, it'll probably be your favorite version"
16:38.47beandogI think he's right
17:06.26beandogyay, finally got Leopard install started
17:07.03BikerdanI seem to remember hearing something about this.  What did he do to his neighbor?
17:07.35BikerdanSorry... That was a reference to the neighbor / hacker thing.
17:07.56beandogwhat happened?
17:08.43BikerdanAbout an hour and a half ago, the discussion was about someone having issues after they tried to teach a neighbor a lesson about security.
17:23.08josephscottmust be the second tuesday of the month
17:23.27mindjujufeels like it
17:24.23beandogyay Tuesday!
17:24.28beandogI think I'm gonna try djbdns again
17:25.51mindjujunothing like pulling rank and contacting the CEO of the company to slap around the minion techs and tell them what for
17:26.17beandogmindjuju: someone did that to you?
17:26.25mindjujuno, i'm doing that to them
17:26.31beandogheh
17:26.33mindjujui have his direct cell and direct email
17:26.38mindjujuah
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17:48.41mgearyanyone here used MongoDB much?
17:50.54josephscottjust starting to play with it a little bit for a project
17:51.39mgearyi'm considering that as well
17:51.52mgearyneed to bounce some ideas off someone with some experience
17:52.04mindjujui think DtD mentioned Mongo
17:52.09mindjujuthat he was using it
17:52.30mgearypsh. well, we know how useful HE is....
17:52.33DexterTheDragonmindjuju: nooooooo no no no no
17:52.52mindjujufridgesm taught on various mysql forks at UTOS 2012 and beandog talks on percona quite a bit
17:52.59mindjujuoh, did i have that wrong DtD?  srry
17:53.06beandogperrrrrrrrrrcooooooooooooonaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
17:53.27mindjujubrb, got to run to the post office on a utos matter
17:55.34fridgesmyou should at least use percona, it's enterprise-tested and has some good new features
17:55.55DexterTheDragonmgeary: make sure you turn on safe mode, cause ya know, mongodb doesn't save data by default
17:56.09mgearynope. didn't know that
17:57.01DexterTheDragonyeah 10gen thinks it's to have safe mode off by default cause if you really want your data saved you'll know to turn it on........
17:57.09josephscottit has some various eventual consistency items
17:58.59josephscottknowing when your data hits a disk is good to know
17:59.58mgearyperhaps he should
18:00.08josephscottRiak looks really interesting, though with similar eventual consistency items, wondering what sort of config knobs they have to manage that
18:02.22carmonyany nginx gurus around? :P
18:04.09josephscottcarmony: I think that is you :-)
18:04.17carmonybleh, darn it
18:04.23carmonyany super gurus around? ;)
18:04.42josephscott~promote carmony
18:04.52SunSparc~define super guru
18:04.52ibotUse ~dict for definitions.
18:04.53josephscottwhat's the problem?
18:05.36mgeary~dict super guru
18:05.52carmonyokay, here is the problem
18:05.52DexterTheDragonbuuuuurn
18:05.53jsmithibot: super guru is a really smart person, like SunSparc
18:05.53ibotokay, jsmith
18:05.59jsmith~dict super guru
18:06.04SunSparcDoes not a super guru sit cross legged on a mountain top?
18:06.05mgearyheh
18:06.06carmonywe set something in memcache via php
18:06.11DexterTheDragon~super guru
18:06.11ibot[super guru] a really smart person, like SunSparc
18:06.17SunSparc~jsmith++
18:06.23mgearyjsmith: have you not worked with any nosql dbs?
18:06.32carmonythen nginx will retrieve it later
18:06.45jsmithmgeary: I don't admit such things in public
18:06.47ninnypantsSunSparc: I believe the super guru floats above the mountain top so he's harder to reach
18:07.11jsmithmgeary: Keep it up and people will thing I'm smarter than I really am...
18:07.14TuxToaster$rlart
18:07.14raifbotteaches skinner1 that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right.
18:07.19SunSparcninnypants: Ah yes, I think you are correct.
18:07.24carmonyso nginx will check to see if its there, and if no then pass it on the the dynamic server
18:07.50carmonywe're running into a weird issue where for some reason PHP writes data to memcached
18:07.58carmonyand memcache botches it and stores it as an empty string or so
18:08.03carmonyso nginx hits it
18:08.16carmonygets a value, which is an empty string
18:08.22carmonyand serves it as a 200
18:08.26carmonythinking it is valid
18:08.42carmonyso what I want to do is to see if I can add some validation on nginx's side
18:09.19carmonyto make sure it isn't just an empy string its serving
18:09.26josephscottperhaps validate that data gets to memcached correctly first?
18:11.12josephscottcarmony: sounds like you are basically doing this - http://www.igvita.com/2008/02/11/nginx-and-memcached-a-400-boost/
18:12.06carmonyyup
18:12.09carmonythat is what we're doing
18:12.39josephscottif you can't trust your data storage then that is the first thing I'd look at
18:13.03captbrogersPersonally I'd look at a computer screen
18:13.16SunSparc:)
18:13.19captbrogersThat's where I get all my computer related informations
18:13.39SunSparcBrilliant
18:13.57captbrogersWell, my mom did always tell me I was a special boy
18:15.22SunSparcSo bright she probably called you son.
18:55.35ninnypantsmgeary: you use 1password right?
18:55.47mgearyyeah
18:56.15ninnypantsdo you know if there is a way to import browser saved passwords?
18:56.38mindjujulastpass does automagically
18:56.45mindjujunot that it helps you, srry
18:56.49mindjujulastpass rox
18:57.22ninnypantsmindjuju: I probably should have looked at that before I got 1password
18:57.59mgearyyeah, not that i know of
18:59.24ninnypantshmm looks like they have it http://blog.agilebits.com/2011/12/28/1password-extension-3-8-9-firefox/
18:59.51ninnypantsjust gotta find the option
19:00.17mindjujulooks like 1password is crossplatform too
19:00.19mindjujuthat's cool
19:00.41ninnypantsyeah that and the fact that I'd heard a lot of good things about it where why I got it
19:00.53ninnypantsthough lastpass is cross platform too right?
19:01.17mindjujuyup
19:01.46mindjujui can install on any platform, i can pull from a webpage
19:01.55mindjujui can upload files, snippets, etc
19:02.44ninnypantshmm looks like some of the features are premium so it wouldn't have made a difference I would have had to buy one
19:02.47fungusdoes 1password have a global sync now?  
19:03.09fungusI know they had a hackish (via dropbox) method, but do they have anything more realistic?
19:03.18mindjujuoh yeah, i'm premium
19:03.23ninnypantsyeah I think they do
19:03.26mindjujuand got a discount on xmarks
19:03.57fungusLastPass is better thought of as a service rather than software.  It's primary function is synchronization, all the rest is secondary.
19:04.08fungus1password is primarily software
19:04.30fungusBoth are great, I have used both for a while.  Just different paradigms.
19:05.06mindjuju~paradigm fungus
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19:09.23ninnypantsfungus: actually it looks like you still have to do it through dropbox
19:10.53TuxToasterhttps://p.twimg.com/Az4PJg2CIAAUXCQ.jpg
19:12.45fungusYeah, it works, and is ok, but depends on your priorities.  
19:13.28fungusI loved the 1password software, works great and is pretty.  LastPass is ugly and kind of painful.
19:13.44mindjujupsh posh
19:14.08herlolastpass works with your browser to save passwords and load them into your browser. Does 1password do that?
19:14.17fungusBut LastPass does sync much better, it just works, and lives everywhere.  1password is ugly in the sync dept.
19:14.39fungusherlo, yeah, it does that.  pretty well too with most browsers.
19:15.07mindjujufungus, lastpass has sexy new GUI - http://screencast.com/t/tlmBtL1ZvGm
19:15.09mindjujuhawt!
19:15.13herlohmm, I might check that out
19:15.17captbrogersI have never had a single bug in my code. Ever.
19:15.23captbrogersI've just had a few surprise features.
19:15.35mindjujuand unanticipated features
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19:15.38mindjuju;)
19:15.39fungusI love them both and am torn between the two.  
19:15.42herlomindjuju: um, it seems to me that it's looked basically liket that for a long time
19:15.56mindjujunah, last upgrade was GUI change
19:16.04mindjujuit wasn't nearly this hawt before
19:16.21fungusBest LastPass feature...   Linux support.  (as browser extensions).
19:17.22mindjujusupernovia - did you see this?
19:17.33DexterTheDragonmindjuju: lastpass's new UI sucks
19:17.38mindjujucameronmoll posted history of interfaces - http://timeline.verite.co/examples/user-interface/
19:17.44mindjujuDtD--
19:17.45DexterTheDragonit's like someone set off a DHTML bomb
19:17.48mindjujurofl
19:17.51TuxToasterLOL
19:17.53mindjujuDtD++
19:38.42*** part/#uphpu Bikerdan (~Bikerdan@67.214.225.82)
19:45.58beandogheh
19:46.06beandog!chuck-fact
19:46.10beandog$chuck-fact
19:46.10raifbotChuck Norris can squeeze orange juice from a banana
19:46.13beandoglol
19:46.45supernoviaI must have missed something. Story of my life though ;-)
19:47.21beandog~immerse supernovia
19:48.54TuxToaster~banana beandog
19:49.22beandog~orange TuxToaster
19:49.50dcsi used 1password for years and loved it, but some things bugged me
19:49.58josephscottanyone else seeing http://us3.php.net/unset in spanish?
19:50.05dcsit seems to miss filling some form fields sometimes
19:50.16TuxToasterjosephscott: nope
19:50.16dcslastpass does a better job at that
19:50.23josephscotthmmm
19:50.35dcsi don't care if something is pretty if it breaks my workflow
19:50.43dcs1password does that too often
19:51.09dcsalso better platform support: linux (as mentioned) and android
19:51.27dcsi don't use 1pasword any more and have switched to lastpass
19:57.46macnewboldjosephscott: are you still stuck in spanish?
19:58.04macnewbold~lastpass++
19:58.06josephscottyeah, but only in Chrome
19:58.10josephscottnot sure how that happened
19:58.24macnewboldare your language preferences set funny somehow? asking for es instead of en?
19:59.51josephscottit only happens on php.net
20:00.06josephscottI need to look at the HTTP requests, see if something strange snuck in there
20:00.14beandogte gustaria programar como un jefe?
20:01.42beandogokay
20:01.46beandogso I'm starting to like the Bourne shell
20:01.48beandoghow weird is that.
20:03.06jsmithbeandog: We knew you'd come around...
20:03.24beandogI only use the old tools.
20:03.25josephscottphp.net sets a LAST_LANG cookie
20:03.35josephscottwhich I think somehow got set to es instead of en
20:04.19josephscottvisiting http://us3.php.net/manual/en/language.types.null.php appears to reset it back to en and give me correct lang after that
20:04.26josephscottjust in case someone else runs into this :-)
20:05.34beandog~run josephscott
20:05.35ibotACTION runs josephscott in Windows and gets an illegal page fault, then runs josephscott in Linux and all the problems magically disappear.
20:05.43beandoglol
20:07.10captbrogers~run linux
20:07.11ibotACTION runs linux in Windows and gets an illegal page fault, then runs linux in Linux and all the problems magically disappear.
20:07.34josephscott~run ios on windows under linux on VMS
20:07.34ibotACTION runs ios on windows under linux on VMS in Windows and gets an illegal page fault, then runs ios on windows under linux on VMS in Linux and all the problems magically disappear.
20:07.36captbrogersYo dawg, I heard you like Linux. So we put some linux in your Linux so you can linux while you Linux
20:08.05skinner1~run anything
20:08.05ibotACTION runs anything in Windows and gets an illegal page fault, then runs anything in Linux and all the problems magically disappear.
20:08.29skinner1~run Congress
20:08.29ibotACTION runs Congress in Windows and gets an illegal page fault, then runs Congress in Linux and all the problems magically disappear.
20:08.30captbrogers~run quantum algorithms
20:08.30ibotACTION runs quantum algorithms in Windows and gets an illegal page fault, then runs quantum algorithms in Linux and all the problems magically disappear.
20:09.31skinner1~run a 5k marathon listening to music on a smartphone running
20:09.31ibotACTION runs a 5k marathon listening to music on a smartphone running in Windows and gets an illegal page fault, then runs a 5k marathon listening to music on a smartphone running in Linux and all the problems magically disappear.
20:09.52captbrogersSilly skinner1, you can' run a 5k
20:10.03skinner1I didn't. But ibot did.
20:10.28josephscott$8ball can you run a 5k?
20:10.29raifbotjosephscott - Very doubtful.
20:10.55captbrogers$8ball, can ibot run a 5k?
20:10.56raifbotcaptbrogers - Outlook not so good.
20:13.39josephscott$8ball does ibot run Outlook?
20:13.40raifbotjosephscott - Yes.
20:13.55captbrogers~run win32.dll
20:13.55ibotACTION runs win32.dll in Windows and gets an illegal page fault, then runs win32.dll in Linux and all the problems magically disappear.
20:14.51josephscott~run trumpet winsock
20:14.51ibotACTION runs trumpet winsock in Windows and gets an illegal page fault, then runs trumpet winsock in Linux and all the problems magically disappear.
20:15.41mindjujuwow, talking about kicking a dead horse, i've just watched a server in support be worked on by a remote tech who has spent the last hour trying to install mysql
20:15.49mindjujutrue it's winders, but, i've never had this much problem
20:16.01beandogyay!
20:16.03mindjujuhe just keeps circling around, doing the same thing
20:16.04captbrogers~run mysql
20:16.04ibotACTION runs mysql in Windows and gets an illegal page fault, then runs mysql in Linux and all the problems magically disappear.
20:16.07mindjujusame steps
20:16.10mindjujuaround and around
20:16.27beandogmindjuju: that's sad
20:16.28beandog:(
20:16.42beandogmindjuju: stuff like that makes me feel bad for the poor guy
20:19.01SunSparcGive the poor guy some freakin linux!
20:19.16beandogpour some linux on me baby
20:19.21beandogokay, that was bad.
20:19.22SunSparclol
20:19.32beandogAlright
20:19.35captbrogersThat escalated quickly
20:19.35beandoggotta setup a new server
20:19.43beandogGentoo, Ubuntu or FreeBSD?
20:19.45beandogthat's the question.
20:19.46SunSparcbeandog: in the cloud?
20:19.49beandogSunSparc: yah
20:20.02SunSparcSweet!  Who are you using?
20:20.09beandogSunSparc: vr.org
20:20.26mindjujuhis app only works on winders and requires mysql
20:20.41beandogmindjuju: so
20:20.44beandogmindjuju: remote mysql connection!
20:20.55SunSparcYes!
20:21.04beandogduh
20:21.06beandog:)
20:21.16SunSparcbeandog: Why vr.org?
20:21.24beandogSunSparc: I like em
20:21.28beandogAnd I already have, uh
20:21.34beandog4 servers?  I think with them
20:21.43SunSparcAh, well there you go.  :)
20:21.52SunSparcGo with what you know.
20:21.57beandogSo, no takers on the OS?
20:22.12captbrogersFedora
20:22.12SunSparcbeandog: Go with what you know.  ;)
20:22.14beandogIf I do Gentoo, I can get super up to date software
20:22.20beandogbut if I do Ubuntu, it's low maintenance.
20:22.21beandogHmm
20:22.44beandogFreeBSD, and I'll probably break everything and not know why.
20:22.52captbrogersFedora...
20:22.55beandogpft
20:22.58beandogYour mom uses Fedora
20:23.00SunSparcUbuntu.
20:23.01mindjujuso is it true that Gentoo isn't nearly as cool as Arch Linux
20:23.03beandogat college
20:23.03captbrogersI wish she did
20:23.06captbrogersI use it
20:23.15beandogmindjuju: Ive heard really good things about Arch
20:23.31beandogI don't do well with RPM distros.
20:23.37beandogIn fact, I have this CentOS install
20:23.46beandogI ripped out as much as I could, and installed stuff from source, because it was so old.
20:23.52captbrogersI find your lack of faith disturbing....
20:23.53beandogIt actually worked out really well ...
20:24.00beandogcaptbrogers: oh it's not faith.  It's experience.
20:24.22SunSparclol
20:24.35captbrogersI've been using Fedora for a while as a personal server, it's always worked out really well for me
20:24.46beandoghttp://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
20:25.18SunSparcIt's a trap!
20:25.46beandoghttp://knowyourmeme.com/memes/its-a-trap
20:27.00SunSparclol, it's a tarp!
20:27.13beandogyes
20:27.15beandogthat cracked me up
20:28.17mindjujui love these
20:28.18mindjujuhttp://mofarahrunningawayfromthings.tumblr.com/
20:28.36beandoglol
20:28.48beandogMy mac just turned off and I'm like .... oh crap, it crashed again!
20:28.54beandogit went to sleep -_-
20:29.07SunSparcROFL!!!
20:29.08mindjujuSunSparc, none will, because your tongue can't repeal flavor of that magnitude
20:29.24SunSparcmindjuju: HAH!  So true.
20:29.37mindjujurobot chicken ftw
20:29.58SunSparcmindjuju: freaky http://mofarahrunningawayfromthings.tumblr.com/image/29420940135
20:30.07beandogmindjuju: oh my crap
20:30.11beandogI lulzd so hard
20:31.04mindjujuyeah
20:31.07ninnypantsall I can think of when I see this one is the bomb scene http://mofarahrunningawayfromthings.tumblr.com/image/29295492710
20:31.09mindjujuit's way good
20:31.22beandoglol
20:31.23beandogtie fighters!
20:32.32beandogoh my crap
20:32.35beandogthat is so funny
20:33.34beandogthank you mindjuju
20:34.00beandog~mindjuju++
20:34.39captbrogersI should start a band called "999 Megabytes"
20:34.48captbrogersI'll change it once we do our first gig
20:34.58mgearyyou mean 1023 megabytes?
20:35.00captbrogershttp://instantrimshot.com/
20:35.18captbrogersErrr, yes mgeary. 999 megabits/1023 megabytes
20:35.55beandog"I do not like computer jokes.  Not one bit."
20:36.22captbrogersSometimes, I byte of more than I can chew
20:37.37beandoglol
20:37.42beandog~captbrogers++
20:40.57beandogI think I decided on Gentoo on one, FreeBSD on the other
20:41.54beandogthen ubuntu on the new one
20:41.55beandog:)
20:42.19captbrogers~lart beandog
20:42.19ibotwallops beandog with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long
20:42.26beandogwhut
20:42.39captbrogersI thought I thoroughly convinced you to use Fedora
20:42.42beandogOne reason I like these guys is because they give you swap
20:43.00beandogcaptbrogers: I'll tell you what... the next Linux VirtualBox I run, I'll check out Fedora
20:43.25captbrogersDo it...
20:43.30beandogbueno
20:43.36beandognext Linux one. :)
20:43.54beandogI've got a few BSD ones queued up, so it could be awhile. ;)
20:45.18captbrogersOn a completely unrelated note, Inception is a great movie that I need to watch again
20:46.12beandogOkay that was weird ...
20:46.20beandogWent to an ftp:// link in Safari, and it opened Firefox
20:48.34josephscottthere are VM providers that won't give you swap?
20:48.38josephscottthat seems strange
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20:49.32josephscottyep
20:51.27beandogjosephscott: yah, it's true (and poopy)
20:51.31beandogmost of them don't
20:51.33beandogin my experience
20:51.51josephscottick
20:52.05josephscottlooks like my EC2 instance has roughly 1GB swap
20:52.54beandogoh, cool
20:53.01beandogI've got mixed feelings about EC2
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20:53.09beandogOn one hand, the features they offer are nice
20:53.13beandogbut it's a pain to navigate
20:53.50josephscottnavigate in what way?
20:54.26josephscottfor just the one instance I have there I just use their web console
20:54.36josephscottfor snapshots and such
21:15.10beandogjust doing administrative stuff
21:15.20beandogit's not obvious how to setup a static ip, or that you even need to
21:15.24beandogit's just not user friendly
21:15.31beandognot intuitive
21:17.47utahconany of my fellow nerdlings looking for a web dev job? SOS is hiring.  :D
21:18.23SunSparcbeandog: Yes, there is a learning curve, but wow, they have an amazing setup that just seems to keep getting better.
21:18.40herloutahcon: no wai! I need a job! :)
21:18.51ninnypantsEC2 sounds like a dream compared to using godaddy like I've had to for the last couple days
21:21.16SunSparcninnypants: Just about anything is probably better than GD.  :)
21:22.22ninnypantsfor sure
21:22.35ninnypantsbut they even seem to manage to break phpmyadmin
21:23.16beandog:(
21:23.17beandogthat stinks
21:23.23ninnypantsI can't even manage to upload a sql file for import
21:24.15SunSparcninnypants: Move hosts.
21:25.14ninnypantscan't it's for a client
21:25.47ninnypantsIf I had a choice I would've put it on stackable or even bluehost before godaddy
21:26.09SunSparcBummer
21:26.16SunSparcTalk them into moving?
21:26.39herlophpmyadmin is still around?
21:26.40herlowow!
21:27.15ninnypantsSunSparc: we told them to create an account on stackable and they made one on godaddy
21:27.46SunSparcLOL, cause those sound so similar.
21:27.59SunSparcherlo: Apparently, I still get requests to set it up for clients.
21:29.28ninnypantsI guess it's not 100% terrible since the import is for geoip stuff and it's only a fallback for if the site gets over 1000 uniques in an hour
21:30.39ninnypants$8ball will this week be as terrible as it's starting to look?
21:30.39raifbotninnypants - Concentrate and ask again.
21:30.43SunSparcAWS CoudFront for that.
21:41.18josephscottother than the UI continuing to get worse I kinda like phpmyadmin
21:48.07ninnypantsjosephscott: it's really handy when you don't have access to a command line
21:48.54ninnypantsIt's also nice to be able to drop the plugin in WP for debugging
21:52.31SunSparcI use it every now and again, when I have no other options.  But I find I can do everything at the command line, usually quicker.
22:04.20fungusI use phpmyadmin for designing new tables, and user/privilege management.
22:04.26fungusthat's about it.
22:05.45fungusbut MySQL has come out w/ some half decent GUI tools for that kind of stuff too.
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22:06.47fungusUsed to be Administrator and Query Browser,  now the Workbench
22:08.55ninnypantshttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765645
22:14.05ninnypantseventually the guy starts quoting scripture at the mozilla devs
22:19.01Utah_DaveHey, so I'm looking to buy an SSD for my workstation at work.  Any recommendations? Brands to avoid?
22:24.45josephscottninnypants: "We just publish visually exciting, subject specific Web-Content."
22:24.57josephscottsounds like *cough* spam *cough*
22:25.17ninnypantsjosephscott: I must not have read closely enough to catch that
22:27.41ninnypantsI think my favourite part is the fact that he probably spent more time complaining that it would have taken him to search and replace to fix all of his problems
22:28.03ninnypantsoh and that web portability is a pipe in the sky
22:30.21josephscottmy eyes!
22:30.22josephscotthttp://www.constellation7.org/Constellation-Seven/Josiah/Index.htm
22:30.51josephscottwhat ever you do, don't mouse over the left menu
22:34.18ninnypantscan't be any worse than the music that plays by default
22:34.27ninnypants------->>>>>>> 800 X 600 PX Browsers - CLICK VIEW - ZOOM OUT TWICE FOR BEST VIEWING - MIZPAH - > PLEASE READ SLOWLY < - Please wait for each page to load properly. Turn up the volume. Intense multimedia website. Be enthralled. Please be patient with each pageload - Pages will appear. Status bar messages explain page details - > Please enable them with javascript < - Safe Christian Site - > Mozilla / Firefox friendly
22:48.35mindjujujsmith, phone server software that had bug that caused almost 2 weeks of records to be lost, despite me having an archiving server recording what the phone server was storing.  my failure is that i was depending on the phone server to record something
22:48.38mindjujululz
22:49.00mindjujui wished we'd gone with asterisk
22:49.11mindjujuwhy couldn't i have started like 3months earlier?
22:49.14ninnypants~console mindjuju
22:49.14ibotACTION gives mindjuju the consolation moose
22:50.40mindjujuthx ninnypants, that helps, now i just need to find a symbol for the manufactor and get a dart board
22:50.53mindjujuthat'd make me feel tons better
22:50.58Utah_Dave~happy mindjuju
22:55.01ninnypantsmindjuju: you can always come over and have a tough guy contest with Al's Slamacow Jake http://youtu.be/pYeCVPUBzYo?t=27s
22:57.44mindjujuthat looks pretty funny
22:57.57mindjujui'd check out that show, but i gave up dish network starting 8/1
22:58.16mindjujunow we roku only
22:58.26ninnypantsadventure time is my favourite show
22:58.42mindjujuroku == awesome
22:59.03mindjujuany how, who wants 100+ channels of home shopping network
22:59.19mindjujuthey should pay me, i had to flip through it all
23:01.19mindjujuanother handbag?
23:01.34penoto go with your others
23:01.39beandogright
23:01.50mindjujujansport != handbag
23:02.07fungusmindjuju, http://www.brides.com/blogs/aisle-say/alexander-mcqueen-pink-feathered-clutch.jpg
23:02.08beandogyou hold it, don't you?
23:02.19beandogmy eyes!
23:02.59fungusDid you notice the awesome skulls on the rings
23:03.16fungusAwesome.  Of course anything from Alexander McQueen is awesome.
23:03.41josephscottmindjuju: what channels do you use on your roku?
23:03.48beandogjosephscott: home shopping
23:03.55josephscotthaha
23:03.59beandogwhy do you think he was looking through them?
23:04.21mindjujunetflix, amazon, techtv
23:04.26mindjujuthere are a couple others
23:04.36mindjujumormon channel
23:04.38mindjujulet's see
23:04.50beandogthere's a youtube channel isn't there?
23:04.52mindjujushoutcast to get ravetrax and DI : breaks
23:04.57mindjujuyeah, youtube
23:05.04mindjujukhan academy
23:05.08mindjujuMIT Courseware
23:05.15mindjujuNOT hulu
23:05.17beandogYou know what mindjuju needs?  Youtube + a record player = major vj juju
23:05.26mindjujupay for commercials,psh
23:06.18mindjujuanybody here remember The Screensavers?
23:06.28beandogokay that was weird
23:06.32beandogpoweroff on NetBSD doesn't say anything
23:06.36beandogit just ... stops
23:06.55fungusbeandog, you are playing w/ NetBSD?  I'm sorry.
23:07.08beandogfungus: I'm being fair and giving Free, Net and OpenBSD a try
23:07.20beandogfungus: Most likely NOT going to use NetBSD.  FreeBSD is great, OpenBSD is awesome.
23:07.25beandogThey're both awesome + great.
23:07.34beandogGonna deploy one of each
23:08.42fungusNet is just painful.  Open is way secure, but difficult.  
23:09.21beandogfungus: whats so bad about NetBSD?
23:09.34beandogjust curious.
23:09.40beandogI'm not gonna argue with you. :)
23:10.17fungusIt's old, and slow to keep up w/ new software versions.  Not as streamlined.  Just ugly.  At least from my experience 5yr ago.
23:11.11beandoghmm
23:11.12beandogfair enough
23:11.18fungusUnless you have some stray toaster that you need an OS for, I'd stick w/ Open (firewalls or VPN concentrators) or Free.
23:11.28beandogyah
23:11.35beandogtheir claim to fame seems to be "runs anywhere"
23:11.40fungusexactly.
23:11.43beandogwhich is hilariously awesome because it wouldn't even boot on my desktop
23:12.20beandogI tried everything I could think of too ... disabled ACPI, upgraded my BIOS, tried different CD drives ... nada.
23:12.29beandogIt just stared at me like a fat cow
23:13.28beandogNow I just use VirtualBox
23:13.39beandogmuch easier. :)
23:13.50mindjujui see that i'm being forced onto facebook timeline
23:14.10mindjujuAug 20
23:14.29mindjujusteamy pile of dog poop > Facebook timeline
23:14.39beandogyou know what I don't like about FB?
23:14.45mindjujutimeline?
23:14.50mindjujupolitical rants?
23:14.52beandogI can be invited into any group w/o interaction
23:14.56mindjujuincessant polictical rants?
23:15.03beandoginvite = automatic join
23:15.25mindjujuunsubstansiated incessant political rants?
23:15.40beandogI just ignore anyone who spends > 25% of their posts talking about politics.
23:15.46beandogand by ignore, I mean, never show their updates again.
23:16.48beandogthere needs to be a fb just for political rants
23:16.56mindjujubeandog, did you see this?  http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/christmas-story-2-goes-straight-dvd-165421919.html
23:17.15beandogmindjuju: meh
23:17.18beandogI don't like the first one
23:17.25beandogso I'm indifferent
23:17.43beandogmindjuju: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=0W1ULoLs6Cg
23:17.47beandogyou'll like this
23:18.28beandogmindjuju: while I'm at it, I better mention that I'm not a huge fan of princess bride either
23:19.12mindjujubeandog, here is a cool youtube vid for you, and i PROMISE 100% that it isn't a rick roll http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TO7FLxZRSM
23:19.20beandogis it rebecca black?
23:19.26mindjujunope
23:19.31beandogpfft
23:19.32beandognot interested.
23:19.49mindjujudid you watch it?
23:19.54beandognot yet
23:19.55beandogsec
23:20.39beandogmindjuju: lol I love this
23:20.42beandogI've seen it on TV a couple times
23:20.48mindjuju:)
23:20.50mindjujuword
23:21.14beandogcereal and milk
23:22.21mindjujuapparently i'm flawed and still care if HL3 comes out http://tech2.in.com/news/gaming/half-life-3-may-be-announced-at-gamescom/368032
23:22.26mindjujuDtD ^^
23:23.04beandoghttp://mofarahrunningawayfromthings.tumblr.com/image/29430390000
23:23.07beandoglmao
23:23.29mindjuju:)
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23:25.43beandogoh man
23:25.44beandogtoo funny
23:29.11beandogfungus: hey man I think I'm gonna stick with Leopard.  All my apps work, and I only run like 3 of them anyway, so whatevs.
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23:30.23beandogwhy don't any of the BSDs ship with bash?
23:30.25beandogwhats up with that
23:30.29beandogsrsly
23:30.51funguslol
23:31.13fungusI actually like tcsh.  I used it for a long time.
23:31.36beandogyah?
23:31.41beandogI've only used sh and csh so far
23:32.07fungusIt's not better than current revs of bash though.
23:33.43fungusI miss the command spell correction though.
23:34.17beandogdoesn't zsh do that?
23:35.33beandogI just found out today that 'ftp' can pull down stuff over http
23:35.35beandogblew my mind.
23:35.41beandogI was using fetch
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23:36.11fungusbeandog, yeah, zsh does.  but bash doesn't.
23:37.50beandogdoes OpenBSD use the same ports tree as FreeBSD?
23:37.54beandogor are they just all similar-ish
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23:45.26fungusjust similar
23:45.54fungusthe BSD's share lots of code back and forth, so there's lots of crossover.
23:46.31fungusBut there's also lots of infighting and bickering too.  :)
23:51.01beandogI'm glad we never have that
23:51.05beandog~lart herlo
23:51.05ibotwhips herlo with a wet and grimy noodle just because
23:57.37beandogI have 200 entries in known_hosts
23:57.43beandogo.O
23:57.43beandoger, 220

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