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| 16:33.15 | Monnok | Anybody here help me with giving ftp access to certain users for certain folders on a server? Tried afew guides google gave me abd they havent really been what i was looking for |
| 16:33.39 | Monnok | and** |
| 16:39.52 | herlo | don't use ftp? |
| 16:46.07 | Monnok | heh these guys arent ssh-savvy |
| 16:46.19 | Monnok | designers |
| 16:47.22 | Bikerdan | Go with sftp and set up a client for them to use. |
| 16:47.59 | Bikerdan | or scp |
| 16:48.50 | Bikerdan | Sorry for not answering your *actual* question. :) |
| 16:50.39 | Monnok | hmm, ill look into that in a bit, thanks. |
| 16:50.49 | Bikerdan | np |
| 16:51.24 | Monnok | We just have some guys that need to be able to edit certain folders on our dev server |
| 16:51.24 | jsmith | Monnok: Use something like Filezilla, and they'll never even catch on that they're not using FTP |
| 16:51.50 | Bikerdan | mpe |
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| 16:55.10 | tierra | just remember to setup an sftp chroot jail for those accounts, but yeah, way better than setting up a ftp server |
| 16:55.21 | tierra | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 |
| 16:55.31 | tierra | http://www.howtoforge.com/restricting-users-to-sftp-plus-setting-up-chrooted-ssh-sftp-debian-squeeze |
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| 16:56.19 | tierra | just a couple guides to get you started, but generally search for "chroot" + "sftp-internal" and you'll find tons of guides |
| 16:58.24 | josephscott | $google chroot sftp-internal |
| 16:58.24 | raifbot | josephscott searching http://www.google.com/search?q=chroot+sftp-internal -- https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SFTP-chroot -- http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/03/chroot-sftp-setup/ -- http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 |
| 17:00.39 | Monnok | ~tierra++ |
| 17:00.46 | Monnok | thANKS |
| 17:00.51 | Monnok | caps >< |
| 17:01.28 | Monnok | saw that mentioned a few times, but didnt know much about it and didnt see any decent guides at the time |
| 17:20.29 | macnewbold | Monnok: i agree with jsmith - sftp, not plain ftp, and you can restrict their user perms to just those places, right? |
| 17:21.02 | Monnok | thats what the chrooting is for i think |
| 17:21.46 | macnewbold | yeah, that will help. i guess if your server has lots of world-readable stuff, then you'd need the chroot a lot more |
| 17:25.53 | tierra | yeah, it's generally just a good idea (tm) |
| 17:26.32 | tierra | less confusing for your FTP users anyway since they won't see all these system folders and have no idea where they need to save stuff |
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| 17:51.53 | mgeary | herlo: ping |
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| 19:07.03 | herlo | mgeary: pong, see pm |
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| 20:08.19 | josephscott | $lart comcast |
| 20:08.20 | raifbot | nukes comcast with a single large nuke. |
| 20:08.25 | josephscott | not good enough |
| 20:08.27 | josephscott | $lart comcast |
| 20:08.27 | raifbot | tries to shut comcast up. |
| 20:08.32 | josephscott | $lart comcast |
| 20:08.32 | raifbot | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses comcast's head to break the homerun record. |
| 20:10.44 | ninnypants | josephscott: more network issues? |
| 20:11.20 | josephscott | not sure, I did change my plan recently, I suspect they may have screwed that up |
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| 20:36.11 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 20:36.12 | raifbot | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at veonik. |
| 20:36.44 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 20:36.44 | ninnypants | $rlart |
| 20:36.45 | raifbot | whips out a hot glue gun and makes sure that gshipley is stuck to the floor. |
| 20:37.18 | TuxToaster | josephscott: I'm starting to think a dedicated lart for Comcast is in order |
| 20:37.58 | josephscott | don't tempt me :-) |
| 20:38.55 | josephscott | their pricing makes no sense |
| 20:39.22 | josephscott | you can pay $79/mo for decent net connection, or pay $79/mo for net connection plus digital tv package |
| 20:40.09 | TuxToaster | yeah I know |
| 20:40.17 | TuxToaster | I pay about $82/mo right now |
| 20:40.26 | TuxToaster | for Internet only |
| 20:41.04 | fungus | I do too, but I'd still rather pay $82/mo for decent speeds compared to $60-70/mo for slow ass DSL |
| 20:42.48 | josephscott | agreed, but the pricing makes no sense |
| 20:43.04 | josephscott | should the digital tv package just be free then? |
| 20:44.04 | ninnypants | $lart godaddy |
| 20:44.04 | raifbot | takes out godaddy with the trash. |
| 20:47.54 | Bikerdan | Anybody tried Spanish Forks internet? Seems like a good deal. ~ 10 MB for $30. I'm moving there and interested if anyone has heard anything bad or good. |
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| 22:22.42 | josephscott | how do I know speedtest.net lies? it says I have a magical 0ms ping time |
| 22:23.42 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:23.43 | tierra | helps if the provider you use to test isn't the one you work for ;) |
| 22:28.25 | tierra | http://www.speedtest.net/result/2117959537.png |
| 22:32.12 | TuxToaster | haha |
| 22:34.28 | tierra | or I guess in my case, has paired with the company you work for |
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| 23:03.01 | mindjuju | i think it's more that comcast lies |
| 23:03.30 | mindjuju | their "speedboost" last just long enough that it warps the speed reading of speedtest.net |
| 23:06.50 | tierra | heh |
| 23:08.25 | herlo | lol |
| 23:08.54 | mindjuju | it's funny you say that herlo |
| 23:09.14 | herlo | just something to level it out |
| 23:09.19 | herlo | yeah? |
| 23:09.24 | mindjuju | when i called comcast to complain and they sent me to speedtest.net, i showed them my own result of trying to download a 100mb file from a server (at xmission) |
| 23:09.25 | macnewbold | they're prioritizing speedtest traffic.... |
| 23:09.34 | mindjuju | i could see the real speed after about a minute |
| 23:09.44 | mindjuju | and that's what i showed the guy, he clammed up real fast |
| 23:09.59 | herlo | lol |
| 23:10.01 | macnewbold | yeah, they throttle down connections after they determine they're "long-lived" or "large" tcp connections |
| 23:10.05 | macnewbold | that's awesome mindjuju |
| 23:10.07 | herlo | mindjuju: I figured |
| 23:11.14 | herlo | I suspect they all do something like that to ensure they have the 'fast' connection when you test their speed |
| 23:12.35 | mindjuju | i'm going to post a link that will SHOCK YOU |
| 23:12.41 | mindjuju | hollywood is EVIL |
| 23:12.51 | mindjuju | http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/christmas-story-2-goes-straight-dvd-165421919.html |
| 23:14.00 | herlo | haha |
| 23:14.06 | tierra | http://www.linode.com/speedtest/ <- I liked using these for tests frequently too |
| 23:14.32 | mindjuju | awesome! |
| 23:14.50 | mindjuju | now that i don't work at bgm, i can't use their servers for speed tests |
| 23:14.58 | mindjuju | this makes a great replacement |
| 23:15.01 | herlo | lol, straight to dvd! |
| 23:16.32 | carmony | $rlart |
| 23:16.32 | raifbot | whips out a sword and chops Bikerdan in half. |
| 23:18.31 | Bikerdan | Ouch. |
| 23:20.16 | Bikerdan | What would you guys say a good size house for a family of 4 that will probably be expanding 1 - 2 more kids would be. In square feet? |
| 23:21.21 | fungus | Bikerdan, depends on your budget. |
| 23:21.34 | fungus | budget should come before size |
| 23:21.44 | Bikerdan | True. Let's say there is no budget. |
| 23:22.06 | Bikerdan | Sounds like a cleaning nightmare. |
| 23:22.09 | herlo | fungus: in this day and age, budget has no consequence |
| 23:22.15 | fungus | lol |
| 23:22.17 | Bikerdan | lol |
| 23:22.19 | herlo | for a reason |
| 23:22.34 | fungus | I have a cleaning lady... my sister who lives w/ me. :) |
| 23:22.36 | herlo | spend your money now, you won't live forever! :) |
| 23:22.53 | herlo | fungus: nice! |
| 23:23.31 | herlo | I have to pay mine, but it's no matter, I won't live forever. The money will outlive me! |
| 23:23.46 | fungus | lol |
| 23:24.06 | herlo | 8-D |
| 23:24.10 | fungus | I grew up in a house w/ only 800sqft, a family of 5. |
| 23:24.22 | herlo | haha, nice |
| 23:24.25 | Bikerdan | That's pretty cramped |
| 23:24.40 | herlo | could be, or it could be a close knit family |
| 23:24.41 | fungus | it is, but the issues are not major. |
| 23:24.57 | herlo | some could sleep in the yard |
| 23:25.04 | herlo | or bunkbeds for everyone! |
| 23:25.24 | fungus | We just had tiny rooms. didn't have to share. |
| 23:25.31 | herlo | wow |
| 23:25.38 | herlo | I guess it could have 4 bdrms |
| 23:25.46 | fungus | Yup, 4 |
| 23:26.13 | fungus | That's why I said budget is most important. Not everyone can be mr. moneybags like herlo. |
| 23:26.41 | herlo | lol |
| 23:26.55 | herlo | Unfortunately, I wish I was mr moneybags |
| 23:27.01 | josephscott | $8ball can I convince herlo to make my house payments for me? |
| 23:27.02 | raifbot | josephscott - Very doubtful. |
| 23:27.02 | fungus | Though having a second bathroom would have been nice. |
| 23:27.08 | herlo | I just say stuff to be funny, in case fungus is unsure |
| 23:27.24 | herlo | josephscott: how do you think I stay so rich! |
| 23:27.33 | herlo | :-D |
| 23:27.41 | josephscott | obviously by not making my house payments :-) |
| 23:27.46 | fungus | herlo, that's the best way. Live like a homeless person. |
| 23:28.06 | josephscott | if you do that move someplace with better weather |
| 23:28.11 | fungus | nvm the rat infested tiny apt. You |
| 23:28.17 | fungus | 'll be rich when you are dead. |
| 23:28.41 | herlo | lol |
| 23:28.56 | herlo | exactly! |
| 23:29.06 | herlo | I personally like being rich now |
| 23:29.17 | herlo | who cares about later! |
| 23:31.08 | fungus | Yeah, but then you'll be poor in the afterlife. |
| 23:31.43 | fungus | Haven't you heard, the banks in the afterlife have enabled wire transfers to the living world. |
| 23:31.53 | macnewbold | Bikerdan: for a future total of 3-4 kids, I'd probably plan on at least 2-3 bedrooms for kids, plus one for the parents - for kids, a 120+ sqft bedroom is pretty reasonable for 2 kids to share. |
| 23:32.40 | macnewbold | add on space for your desired shared areas (kitchen, den/family room, laundry, hallways, bathrooms, storage) and you've got a workable number |
| 23:32.43 | herlo | fungus: woo |
| 23:32.49 | herlo | I don't care, I'll be dead |
| 23:32.54 | herlo | I can start over |
| 23:34.04 | Bikerdan | macnewbold: So 3530 square feet? |
| 23:34.37 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 23:34.38 | macnewbold | we had 3 kids when we were in a 4 bdrm house with ~1200 finished sq ft and about 300 unfinished in the basement |
| 23:34.55 | macnewbold | one of the bedrooms was the family room, cause we didn't have one (it had formal front room and dining room) |
| 23:35.16 | Bikerdan | How many kids? |
| 23:35.18 | Bikerdan | now? |
| 23:36.22 | herlo | fungus: how do you run those .bin files on linode? I tried to chmod +x and execute and it gives me an error |
| 23:36.28 | herlo | for speed test |
| 23:36.45 | herlo | Bikerdan: I'd shoot for about 2500-3000 sqft, btw |
| 23:36.54 | Bikerdan | Thx herlo |
| 23:36.56 | herlo | but it does depend a lot on your budget |
| 23:36.59 | Bikerdan | True |
| 23:37.29 | herlo | the houses we're looking at are around $280k-$320k and fit in that sqft range. Some a bit more, some a bit less. |
| 23:37.52 | macnewbold | Bikerdan: we moved now, ours is about 3200, 5 bdrm/5bath, with kid #8 on the way in ~2 months |
| 23:38.02 | Bikerdan | wooo |
| 23:38.06 | Bikerdan | Awesome |
| 23:38.13 | Bikerdan | congrats! |
| 23:38.32 | herlo | macnewbold: you no longer live on top of the mountain? |
| 23:38.49 | herlo | I loved telling people I had a friend who lived on top of a mountain. |
| 23:38.51 | macnewbold | so for ours, we have commandeered 1 small bdrm for storage, and one of the kid rooms is a master-sized one with 3 kids in it currently |
| 23:38.55 | fungus | herlo: cat*.bin > /dev/mem |
| 23:38.58 | macnewbold | herlo: yeah, i still live on top of the mountain |
| 23:39.00 | macnewbold | don't worry |
| 23:39.07 | herlo | fungus: um, no |
| 23:39.26 | macnewbold | so we have 3 bedrooms with 7 kids in them |
| 23:39.51 | Bikerdan | That's a lot of bathrooms. |
| 23:39.55 | herlo | macnewbold: whew! I'm happy about that. |
| 23:39.59 | macnewbold | sorry, 4 bathrooms not 5 |
| 23:40.09 | macnewbold | one on each floor, plus an extra in the master bedroom |
| 23:40.22 | Bikerdan | Cool. |
| 23:40.30 | macnewbold | our house could easily still fit us and not have as much space, but it has family space on all three floors |
| 23:40.39 | Bikerdan | So we're about to close on a house. |
| 23:40.41 | herlo | fungus: for realz, man. Be nice. |
| 23:40.52 | macnewbold | large family room in basement, good size "great room" sized one by the kitchen, and a loft on top floor |
| 23:41.33 | herlo | :P |
| 23:41.37 | Bikerdan | :) |
| 23:41.42 | fungus | dd if=*.bin of=/dev/sda |
| 23:41.48 | herlo | fungus: try again |
| 23:42.00 | macnewbold | so if you cut down some of those things, you could easily do that many bedrooms/bathrooms in a smaller place, probably 2500ish, but the more people you get the more you need the shared areas |
| 23:42.20 | herlo | fungus: what do you take me for? |
| 23:42.22 | macnewbold | herlo: i thought about it, but wife vetoed. we have a van instead. used to drive a 15-seater, now we use a 12-seater |
| 23:42.27 | fungus | rm *.bin ?? |
| 23:42.37 | herlo | fungus: um, still no |
| 23:42.42 | herlo | execute it, not remove it |
| 23:42.47 | herlo | ~lart fungus |
| 23:42.47 | ibot | whacks fungus with a giant beaver's tail |
| 23:42.55 | herlo | lol |
| 23:42.58 | herlo | that's perfect! |
| 23:43.04 | herlo | ~beaver fungus |
| 23:43.05 | fungus | I don't think they are executable. |
| 23:43.11 | Bikerdan | Cool. Well thanks for the info. We plan on being in this new house for a while so decided to get a little more than we currently need. |
| 23:43.12 | herlo | fungus: how do you use them? |
| 23:43.26 | fungus | You download them, and measure how fast they download. |
| 23:43.32 | herlo | that's it? |
| 23:43.34 | herlo | lame |
| 23:43.34 | fungus | lol |
| 23:43.43 | herlo | what's the point in that |
| 23:43.52 | herlo | I thought it was some gui app that ran |
| 23:43.59 | fungus | It gives you a linode specific test point |
| 23:44.01 | herlo | ro something like that |
| 23:44.14 | Bikerdan | Ciao guys. Have a good evening. |
| 23:44.18 | herlo | fungus: true, just seems silly |
| 23:44.42 | fungus | not really, sometimes it's useful. eg comparing speeds to diff linode sites. |
| 23:44.59 | herlo | sure, but not for a speed test. That requires me doing math to figure out the performance |
| 23:45.11 | fungus | lol |
| 23:45.16 | fungus | lazy herlo, is lazy |
| 23:45.19 | herlo | duh |
| 23:45.27 | fungus | lol |
| 23:45.29 | herlo | have you not signed the Sysadmin Creedo, fungus? |
| 23:45.37 | herlo | rule #1, laziness is your goal |
| 23:45.39 | fungus | haven't seen it. link? |
| 23:46.06 | fungus | while I agree that a lazy admin is a good admin, I still like to poke fun at you. |
| 23:47.04 | herlo | haha |
| 23:47.27 | fungus | I personally operate on the assumption that I need to work toward automating every task I do. The only way to keep up w/ all the new tasks that always seem to show up. |
| 23:47.39 | herlo | fungus: yes, I hear that. |
| 23:48.14 | herlo | another sysadmin always used to tell me the goal was to work yourself out of the current job you have. A new one will show up in its place without any doubt |
| 23:48.32 | fungus | heh, that works too |
| 23:48.46 | herlo | I personally like 'lazy admin is a good admin' |
