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| 20:03.53 | mahelious | i wonder if, with the proliferation of mobile phones, the fine art of untangling a phone cord will be forever lost. |
| 20:08.47 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: sorry, got stuck in a discussion here |
| 20:09.07 | TuxToaster | I do like Sparrow for the most part, but the searching is slow |
| 20:09.27 | TuxToaster | and the mobile app is nice, but without being able to get notifications it's not very useful |
| 20:09.52 | TuxToaster | since Google bought it though, they won't be updating it anymore, so it's kind of stuck where it is |
| 20:10.07 | josephscott | $lart comcast |
| 20:10.07 | raifbot | chops comcast in half with a free Solaris 7 CD. |
| 20:10.49 | TuxToaster | so the client I'm working on is going to do some stuff similar to Sparrow, such as supporting Gmail labels and a minimal UI, but will also support some Gmail specific IMAP searching extensions to hopefully make it faster and easier to keep mail organized |
| 20:11.18 | TuxToaster | josephscott: oh, great. Now there's two of them. |
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| 20:16.19 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: are you going to support the gmail keyboard shortcuts? |
| 20:17.25 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 20:17.32 | ninnypants | sweet |
| 20:17.54 | josephscott | $lart comcast |
| 20:17.54 | raifbot | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, comcast, this won't hurt a bit....". |
| 20:18.04 | josephscott | $8ball what if I want it to hurt? |
| 20:18.04 | raifbot | josephscott - Yes - definitely. |
| 20:18.07 | ninnypants | that's one of the reasons I didn't use sparrow I would have had to relearn all my commands |
| 20:18.18 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: do you get the feeling that josephscott has a problem with Comcast today? |
| 20:18.29 | ninnypants | yeah I'm kind of thinking so |
| 20:18.49 | josephscott | my connection has not been stellar today |
| 20:22.43 | josephscott | ick |
| 20:23.24 | ninnypants | luckily that's not my current speed |
| 20:25.22 | mindjuju | the telenovelas are back. about 2yrs ago i got in the middle of a man and a woman discussing the man's infidelity, she was leaving him, etc |
| 20:25.40 | mindjuju | i'm confused how i got on the email thread, but likely my email addy was similar to a person that was CC'd on it |
| 20:25.44 | mindjuju | oh, this is in spanish |
| 20:26.13 | mindjuju | well, i wrote them both telling them i wasn't who they thought I was and to please leave me out of it, though i must admit, it was quite interesting |
| 20:26.37 | fungus | My current speed: http://www.speedtest.net/result/2105053114.png |
| 20:26.46 | mindjuju | seems like the woman is married now and might run into the man at some kind of party and wanted to talk to him in advance |
| 20:27.02 | mindjuju | fungus, mine is faster |
| 20:27.11 | influx | "No soy quien creen que soy. Por favor, no se comuniquen con migo de nuevo. Gracias." |
| 20:27.16 | mindjuju | oh wait, that's Mb/s not kbps |
| 20:27.20 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 20:27.25 | fungus | hehe |
| 20:27.48 | mindjuju | influx, i'll have to use it |
| 20:27.48 | captbrogers | I want to see the speed test on Google's fiber network |
| 20:27.51 | influx | heh |
| 20:28.03 | mindjuju | but like i say, i'm a little curious now |
| 20:28.04 | fungus | Yeah, I gotta move to KC |
| 20:28.16 | mindjuju | fungus, itimber is in the ole KC |
| 20:28.27 | mindjuju | but he's not getting it right off |
| 20:28.27 | fungus | I know... so jealous... :( |
| 20:28.30 | josephscott | $8ball can I successfully steal fungus's bandwidth? |
| 20:28.30 | raifbot | josephscott - Better not tell you now. |
| 20:29.00 | josephscott | $8ball can I have a ping time of 3ms then? |
| 20:29.00 | raifbot | josephscott - My sources say no. |
| 20:31.38 | fungus | josephscott, just pay for a colocation somewhere and bring a chair and your laptop. A bit cold and noisy, but you can get 3ms. |
| 20:32.35 | josephscott | would rather someone just run fiber to my house |
| 20:32.50 | josephscott | $8ball will I ever have a fiber run to my house? |
| 20:32.50 | raifbot | josephscott - Ask again later. |
| 20:33.48 | fungus | I bet you can get a deal from Comcast to drop off fiber in your house for about $1500/mo |
| 20:34.56 | josephscott | drop a zero off that and I'd consider it |
| 20:35.06 | fungus | hehe. no kidding. |
| 20:36.54 | fungus | ~x es en No soy quien creen que soy. Por favor, no se comuniquen con migo de nuevo. Gracias. |
| 20:37.04 | fungus | ? |
| 20:37.15 | mindjuju | that works too, fungus |
| 20:38.24 | fungus | لست الذي كنت أعتقد أنني. الرجاء عدم الاتصال بي مرة أخرى. شكرا لك. |
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| 20:40.15 | ninnypants | css' calc() function is awesome |
| 20:40.16 | mindjuju | fungus, here is what translate.google.com thinks of that - I'm not who I thought I was. Please do not contact me again. Thank you. |
| 20:40.56 | ninnypants | mindjuju: that's definitely what you should send |
| 20:42.07 | itimber | mindjuju: fungus: yes, I'm in KC, but not in the right area |
| 20:42.10 | itimber | KC is a big place |
| 20:42.36 | itimber | my folks are in range, and they are signing up |
| 20:43.09 | itimber | but my mom admitted that she doesn't understand what the big deal is. |
| 20:43.15 | itimber | (with Google Fiber) |
| 20:43.21 | itimber | I just rolled my eyes |
| 20:46.23 | ninnypants | itimber: she'll probably understand once she uses it |
| 20:46.52 | ninnypants | aren't they doing 5M up and down for free? |
| 20:46.57 | mindjuju | you can only make email or FB so fast before additional speed is lot on them |
| 20:47.03 | ninnypants | or was that just a rumour? |
| 20:47.21 | ninnypants | mindjuju: but what about netflix? |
| 20:47.39 | mindjuju | i personally don't know many gpas on netflix |
| 20:48.31 | fungus | itimber, then move. That kind of deal cannot be passed up. |
| 20:48.45 | itimber | ninnypants: it's 5 down, 1 up, and you only pay the setup $300 |
| 20:48.46 | itimber | https://fiber.google.com/plans/residential/ |
| 20:49.06 | itimber | fungus: no doubt |
| 20:49.07 | ninnypants | hmm maybe it's just my family/in-laws but it seems like for them even another 1M of speed would make an amazing difference |
| 20:50.23 | fungus | ninnypants, it's not until you get to 30+ where increased speeds are not user detectable for basic website usage. |
| 20:50.49 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: FWIW, Sparrow does support Gmail shortcuts |
| 20:50.59 | TuxToaster | I use them all the time |
| 20:51.17 | TuxToaster | top of the advanced prefs ---> http://cl.ly/image/300V2J3K1j0e |
| 20:51.48 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: ahh ok I only saw their normal shortcut list |
| 20:52.39 | ninnypants | maybe I'll try it out again |
| 20:53.15 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: or you can give me ideas of what you want to see in a mail app and I'll try to work them in to mine :P |
| 20:53.20 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: if your currently supports some of the basics I'll beta test for you |
| 20:53.29 | TuxToaster | for me the big focus is on keeping it fast and light |
| 20:53.57 | ninnypants | all I really need is j/k up down, archive, archive + next, and delete |
| 20:54.07 | TuxToaster | I'm still getting things like composing a message / replying working, but I'll definitely need some testing soon |
| 20:54.37 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: cool just let me know when |
| 20:55.24 | TuxToaster | yup, definitely will |
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| 20:57.27 | mindjuju | anybody in the UC looking for a PHP job? |
| 20:58.05 | captbrogers | uc? |
| 20:58.15 | mindjuju | utah county |
| 20:58.41 | mindjuju | try to give it a more modern feel by calling it the UC or the SLC |
| 20:58.58 | TuxToaster | "the UC" |
| 20:59.02 | TuxToaster | because there's only one. |
| 21:00.27 | mindjuju | that'll keep ya guessing for at least a week TuxToaster |
| 21:00.47 | TuxToaster | the lobster scares me |
| 21:00.54 | mindjuju | ubercool tux |
| 21:03.59 | fungus | lol, we got a company Verizon bill where one user racked up over $1700 on an aircard. |
| 21:04.11 | fungus | Can't wait to see how long before they get fired. |
| 21:04.52 | herlo | haha, nice |
| 21:05.19 | josephscott | fired over $1,700? you guys must really value your employees :-) |
| 21:05.47 | fungus | well, maybe not fired. but I really want to be a fly on the wall for that little chat. |
| 21:05.52 | herlo | if they continue to do it... |
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| 21:06.46 | fungus | oh look, and this month (2 weeks in) they are already up to 170GB |
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| 21:07.42 | fungus | lol, and she's playing dumb. "does me leaving it on have anything to do with this?" |
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| 21:08.30 | herlo | heh |
| 21:09.06 | josephscott | is that her only internet access? |
| 21:09.25 | fungus | at her home? no clue. |
| 21:09.54 | fungus | It was supposed to be for her laptop during business hours when she travels between offices. |
| 21:10.14 | fungus | her company laptop that is. |
| 21:10.24 | fungus | not for personal use. |
| 21:10.57 | josephscott | 170GB in two weeks seems like "a lot" |
| 21:11.03 | fungus | Yeah, exactly |
| 21:11.28 | fungus | I use about 250GB/mo on average, and my home is streaming netflix close to 10-12 hours a day |
| 21:11.52 | josephscott | perhaps she is hosting a Tor exit node ;-) |
| 21:11.59 | fungus | lol, possibly |
| 21:12.13 | fungus | another reason to give disciplinary action. |
| 21:12.24 | josephscott | wow, and you don't even have kids to help you watch that much TV :) |
| 21:12.38 | fungus | My sister and niece live w/ me. |
| 21:12.39 | mindjuju | jwe just dumped our dish network |
| 21:12.46 | josephscott | ahh, that makes sense |
| 21:12.59 | fungus | My sis does data entry at home, and watches movies all day while she works. |
| 21:16.10 | fungus | I love catching users doing bad things. |
| 21:16.19 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:16.47 | fungus | especially when I have data to prove their lousy excuses wrong. |
| 21:16.50 | mindjuju | like what? |
| 21:17.00 | TuxToaster | fungus == BOFH :P |
| 21:17.13 | mindjuju | oh the lady with the high cell phone data plan? |
| 21:17.24 | fungus | yeah, that's the most recent example. |
| 21:17.58 | mindjuju | i love listening to remixes |
| 21:18.13 | fungus | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tm-1yRZtQg |
| 21:18.37 | mindjuju | i've heard that one, its good |
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| 21:49.10 | josephscott | being able to update my voter registration entirely online is very nice |
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| 22:54.03 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 22:54.03 | raifbot | farts in optikal_'s general direction. |
| 22:56.39 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 22:56.40 | raifbot | smacks kendsnyder up side the head with a clue-by-4. |
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| 23:05.50 | josephscott | carmony: new laptop huh? |
| 23:07.47 | josephscott | sure, he runs away, doesn't want to talk about 16GB of RAM in his new laptop :-) |
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| 23:10.49 | carmony | I dislike public wifi |
| 23:13.56 | josephscott | carmony: I was just making fun of your new laptop :-) |
| 23:14.08 | josephscott | interesting, Paypal is moving their Payflow processing to SLC |
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| 23:16.55 | carmony | josephscott: lol, why were you making fun of my laptop? :P |
| 23:17.04 | carmony | its awesome sauce :P |
| 23:17.42 | josephscott | the 16GB of RAM |
| 23:17.45 | josephscott | saw one of your tweets |
| 23:17.57 | josephscott | didn't you just get a new laptop when you started there? |
| 23:18.47 | carmony | yup |
| 23:18.50 | carmony | they got me a newer one |
| 23:20.31 | carmony | gave my new old one to someone else |
| 23:20.32 | carmony | btw, if my messages seem out of order or odd, its the train's wifi |
| 23:20.32 | carmony | which is somehow better than my "4G" from AT&T |
| 23:22.11 | TuxToaster | carmony: you've got 16GB ? |
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| 23:23.05 | TuxToaster | heh, awesome wifi there |
| 23:23.15 | carmony_ | bleh |
| 23:23.24 | carmony_ | now I'm tethered |
| 23:23.27 | TuxToaster | so your lappy has 16GB of ram? |
| 23:23.31 | carmony_ | since my 4G is working again |
| 23:23.31 | carmony_ | yup |
| 23:23.39 | TuxToaster | nice. People thought I was crazy for doing that. |
| 23:23.58 | josephscott | $8ball will carmony's 16GB of RAM fit in my macbook air? |
| 23:23.58 | raifbot | josephscott - Signs point to yes. |
| 23:24.03 | carmony_ | nope |
| 23:24.04 | carmony_ | :P |
| 23:24.07 | TuxToaster | my 13" has 16 |
| 23:24.13 | TuxToaster | (non-Air) |
| 23:24.21 | carmony_ | raifbot, you're delusional |
| 23:24.35 | josephscott | well, I don't use Netbeans, so that saves me like 7GB of RAM right there |
| 23:24.40 | carmony_ | LOL |
| 23:24.52 | TuxToaster | raifbot: would you use 16GB of RAM to increase the speed with which you can destroy ibot? |
| 23:24.56 | TuxToaster | err |
| 23:25.02 | TuxToaster | $8ball would you use 16GB of RAM to increase the speed with which you can destroy ibot? |
| 23:25.02 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Cannot predict now. |
| 23:25.14 | TuxToaster | $8ball is that because you don't have enough RAM? |
| 23:25.14 | raifbot | TuxToaster - Yes. |
| 23:25.17 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:25.58 | TuxToaster | I remember thinking I'd never need more than 2GB |
| 23:26.04 | josephscott | kinda said that my macbook air is more powerful than the EC2 instance that raifbot is running on |
| 23:26.11 | josephscott | s/said/sad/ |
| 23:26.20 | TuxToaster | back when I maxed out my linux lappy with 2GB |
| 23:26.31 | carmony_ | honestly, I only got the 16gb of ram since its sodered in and so you can't (easily) upgrade it |
| 23:26.37 | carmony_ | josephscott: you got a new air? |
| 23:26.45 | josephscott | yep |
| 23:26.49 | carmony_ | nice! |
| 23:26.49 | TuxToaster | carmony_: yeah, can't blame you there |
| 23:26.52 | carmony_ | 8GB? |
| 23:26.54 | josephscott | yep |
| 23:26.59 | carmony_ | sweet |
| 23:27.12 | TuxToaster | I upgraded mine because it's not soldered in, and running Xcode and Photoshop can be a bad combo. |
| 23:27.15 | josephscott | figure if I keep this one for 5+ years (like my last laptop) I'll need it :-) |
| 23:27.22 | carmony_ | I've always wanted to go into an apple store, pretend I know nothing, and demand for an air w/ an optical drive |
| 23:27.41 | carmony_ | oooooo, xcode and photoshop |
| 23:27.50 | carmony_ | definitely rank up there like a netbeans |
| 23:28.49 | TuxToaster | yeah, it didn't used to... Xcode has always been a bear, but seems like it's worse now as far as using up memory while running normally |
| 23:29.29 | TuxToaster | but when I started hitting over 10GB of swap in use + 8GB of physical memory, it was time for an upgrade. |
| 23:30.25 | josephscott | carmony_: so you going to retina'ize DN so that you can stop looking at fuzzy versions? |
| 23:31.00 | carmony_ | yeah... |
| 23:31.00 | carmony_ | josephscott: you'll rue the day when you don't have 16gb of ram :P |
| 23:31.02 | carmony_ | josephscott: probably... |
| 23:31.02 | carmony_ | it doesn't look terrible |
| 23:31.02 | carmony_ | but some things it is way noticable |
| 23:31.08 | carmony_ | i.e. lots of the little icons & buttons |
| 23:32.13 | josephscott | if there was a 16GB air I would have bought it :-) |
| 23:36.18 | josephscott | real video card would be nice as well |
| 23:36.36 | josephscott | all without getting over 60F :-) |
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