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| 03:53.47 | mindjuju_ | any linux gurus awake? |
| 03:54.53 | mindjuju_ | nm, i remembered |
| 04:15.27 | herlo | mindjuju_: hi |
| 04:15.50 | herlo | I was once called a Linux guru, it may even have been true |
| 04:15.55 | herlo | :} |
| 04:16.13 | mindjuju_ | es coo |
| 04:16.21 | mindjuju_ | i forgot that when making a change to the network interface you say |
| 04:16.25 | mindjuju_ | sudo service network restart |
| 04:16.35 | mindjuju_ | there is also a way to do it with the ifup but i forgot that one |
| 04:23.01 | herlo | yeah |
| 04:23.06 | herlo | it's probably safer with service |
| 04:23.28 | herlo | if you use ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 it *should* work, but if you are ssh'd in over that interface it may fail |
| 04:23.42 | herlo | mindjuju_: glad you got it all working again :) |
| 04:24.58 | mindjuju_ | i've had good instructors thus far |
| 04:25.00 | mindjuju_ | ~herlo++ |
| 04:25.15 | mindjuju_ | k boys, i'm leaving the office now, pick ya up on the flip side |
| 04:32.10 | herlo | ciao |
| 04:32.18 | herlo | have a good night sir |
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| 15:07.30 | ninnypan_ | what's everyone doing for sys admin appreciation day? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Administrator_Appreciation_Day |
| 15:07.41 | captbrogers | Going to lunch! |
| 15:10.16 | ninnypan_ | a good idea |
| 15:11.15 | captbrogers | One of my cousin's needed some web work done, so I did it not expecting anything but she ended up paying me for it |
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| 15:14.24 | ninnypan_ | thats cool |
| 15:14.39 | captbrogers | Where shall we eat? |
| 15:14.40 | ninnypan_ | I rarely expect anything when doing web work for family |
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| 15:15.06 | captbrogers | Same, and all it involved was moving a Wordpress site from wordpress.com to a stand-alone, install some plugins and a theme |
| 15:15.18 | captbrogers | Really only took me about 30 minutes to get everything all set up |
| 15:15.40 | ninnypan_ | yeah moving/setting up WP is easy |
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| 15:53.26 | tierra | captbrogers: lunch today? what time are you going and where? |
| 15:54.27 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 15:54.28 | raifbot | hits itimber with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha. |
| 15:54.42 | captbrogers | tierra: No idea, but I got the money to go anywhere |
| 15:55.56 | captbrogers | In the Provo/Orem area |
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| 15:59.06 | ninnypan_ | captbrogers: I'll go so long as you don't disappear before I show up again ;) |
| 15:59.15 | tierra | captbrogers: you know any awesome authentic mexican places? I'm still exploring since I just started work down here in Provo |
| 15:59.57 | mgeary | tierra: i really like Mi Ranchito, on State Street just north of University Mall |
| 16:01.06 | tierra | yep, that looks exactly like what I'm talking about |
| 16:01.52 | beandog | ~salsa tierra |
| 16:01.53 | ibot | ACTION dices tierra with a few tomatoes, peppers, onions. mmm... |
| 16:01.57 | beandog | lol |
| 16:09.00 | macnewbold | nice |
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| 16:16.05 | itimber | ~lart raifbot |
| 16:16.05 | ibot | sends a legion of lawyers after raifbot's head |
| 16:19.52 | josephscott | ~defend raifbot |
| 16:19.52 | ibot | ACTION jumps in front of raifbot, taking all insults, violence and anything else negative thrown toward raifbot so that raifbot may live on in peace and quiet |
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| 16:27.51 | captbrogers | ninnypan_, I apologize, I hope that we can still be friends |
| 16:28.07 | ninnypan_ | captbrogers: I'm not so sure we can |
| 16:28.16 | captbrogers | tierra, yes, there is a good place in Orem called Cocolitos that is good mexican food |
| 16:28.17 | unum | anyone use js out side a web page? |
| 16:28.36 | ninnypan_ | oh where you at Playntrade on Saturday, captbrogers? |
| 16:29.06 | captbrogers | ninnypan_, no. I was at Seven Peaks |
| 16:29.35 | ninnypan_ | captbrogers: ahh good thing I didn't stop and start talking to that guy then |
| 16:29.41 | TuxToaster | $lart josephscott |
| 16:29.42 | raifbot | frags josephscott with his BFG9000. |
| 16:29.47 | captbrogers | That would have been funny |
| 16:29.52 | TuxToaster | oh, and btw josephscott, I found the book |
| 16:30.10 | tierra | captbrogers: alright, if you want to do that or Mi Ranchito, either works for me |
| 16:30.20 | josephscott | $lart TuxToaster |
| 16:30.20 | raifbot | decapitates TuxToaster conan the destroyer style. |
| 16:30.39 | ninnypan_ | captbrogers: heh not so sure he would've thought so. He probably would of wondered why some weird guy was trying to talk to him and his daughters |
| 16:31.12 | captbrogers | ninnypan_: sorry, funny to watch. Really awkward for you and the guy |
| 16:31.23 | captbrogers | tierra: I'm cool with Mi Ranchito. What time? |
| 16:31.43 | captbrogers | Anyone else coming to this get together? |
| 16:31.47 | ninnypan_ | captbrogers: oh it would've been really funny to me |
| 16:31.54 | ninnypan_ | captbrogers: I'll come |
| 16:33.13 | captbrogers | I'll be the guy in the pants with a hat on |
| 16:33.21 | captbrogers | Tierra: You're at BlueHost? |
| 16:33.28 | tierra | yeah |
| 16:33.32 | ninnypan_ | yeah shouldn't be many guys with pants on there |
| 16:34.01 | captbrogers | ninnypan_: My wife keeps telling me that I have to wear them when I leave the house. I keep saying that I might just not leave the house anymore |
| 16:36.25 | ninnypan_ | I just make sure to sneak out when my wife isn't looking |
| 16:37.36 | captbrogers | By the way, ninnypan_, I would have handled talking to the wrong person by ending the conversation like this: http://xkcd.com/1022/ |
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| 16:38.29 | captbrogers | Tierra: Go hit Chad Krupa on the arm and tell him that was for not going to UTOS |
| 16:38.42 | captbrogers | Then say 'hi' to Russel Fisher |
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| 16:49.35 | tierra | captbrogers: I know Russel, but have no idea where Chad's desk is, heh |
| 16:50.29 | tierra | hmm... maybe Russel isn't in today |
| 16:51.09 | captbrogers | Russel used to sit right next to me when I was there |
| 16:51.30 | tierra | he's over in QA now |
| 16:52.00 | tierra | which is right next door to where I am |
| 16:52.49 | tierra | I step in there to give them crap every once in a while :) |
| 16:53.57 | captbrogers | So when are we meeting at the mexican place? |
| 16:56.04 | herlo | why did nobody mention the mexican place to me? You guys hate me, don't you?! |
| 16:56.15 | josephscott_ | ~hate herlo |
| 16:56.15 | ibot | Hey josephscott_, ,,|, |
| 16:56.17 | captbrogers | herlo: We are hitting up Mi Ranchito very soon |
| 16:56.31 | herlo | ~lart josephscott |
| 16:56.31 | ibot | teaches josephscott the basics, including how to RTM |
| 16:56.38 | captbrogers | and to be honest, we were hoping you may not notice. You don't share your crayons when we go out to eat |
| 16:56.42 | josephscott | $8ball does tierra really hate herlo? |
| 16:56.42 | raifbot | josephscott - Most likely. |
| 16:56.52 | ninnypan_ | herlo: didn't realize you were in the provo area |
| 16:56.58 | herlo | lol, I'm not |
| 16:57.09 | herlo | but I do know how to drive! |
| 16:57.22 | captbrogers | We're going to the one in Orem, right near University Mall |
| 16:57.25 | ninnypan_ | was gonna say they don't let you into utah county do they herlo? |
| 16:57.44 | herlo | across the purity curtain, hell no! |
| 16:57.57 | ninnypan_ | there's on in provo on 300S according to google maps |
| 16:58.16 | captbrogers | Well which one are we going to? |
| 16:58.51 | herlo | what, nobody thought that was funny? |
| 16:59.10 | captbrogers | ninnypan_, I only see one in Orem at 1100 South State |
| 16:59.14 | herlo | go to the one in Orem, but I'm not going! |
| 16:59.44 | ninnypan_ | https://plus.google.com/117185065710795853320/about?gl=us&hl=en |
| 17:00.22 | tierra | I assumed the one in Orem |
| 17:00.22 | captbrogers | M I Ranchito, but Mi Ranchito comes up different |
| 17:00.26 | ninnypan_ | I'm fine with either though provo might be a good one if it exists since we're all pretty close to it |
| 17:00.48 | captbrogers | I'd say let's do the Orem one, just because we know it exists |
| 17:00.55 | ninnypan_ | sounds good |
| 17:00.57 | tierra | yeah |
| 17:01.06 | captbrogers | Meet there at high noon? |
| 17:01.15 | tierra | I have a meeting here at 11, so yeah, high noon or later |
| 17:01.33 | tierra | oh, it's 11, heh |
| 17:01.36 | herlo | it's 11, scoot! |
| 17:01.40 | herlo | :) |
| 17:01.50 | tierra | alright, I'll check back in later here |
| 17:01.58 | captbrogers | Okay |
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| 17:13.30 | mindjuju_ | anybody here have employees that work from remote? |
| 17:13.41 | herlo | I do |
| 17:13.55 | herlo | as in , I am an employee who works from remote |
| 17:13.59 | herlo | :) |
| 17:14.26 | mindjuju_ | so in this case herlo, i meaning lower level employees working from remote |
| 17:14.35 | mindjuju_ | CSRs |
| 17:14.39 | herlo | k |
| 17:14.47 | mindjuju_ | here the is the q |
| 17:15.02 | herlo | but I don't think it's all that different. I'm a pretty low level employee in my 1-person company :) |
| 17:15.17 | mindjuju_ | i'm trying to determine security best practices for having employees work and access servers from remote |
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| 17:15.32 | mindjuju_ | like ebay had CSRs on eBay laptops where eBay software to maintain was installed, etc |
| 17:15.41 | mindjuju_ | the CSRs weren't allowed to use their personal computer |
| 17:16.09 | herlo | vpn with rsa type stuff and limited access to a central server farm with *only* the applications they need |
| 17:16.30 | mindjuju_ | yeah, sadly so |
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| 17:17.03 | herlo | mindjuju_: that doesn't mean things can't be done with Linux. |
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| 17:17.37 | mindjuju_ | true, but some of the apps we run require winders |
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| 17:17.47 | herlo | but that's probably going to mean you need terminal services somewhere |
| 17:18.01 | herlo | mindjuju_: I'm talking more about the connecting to and hosting of the vm |
| 17:18.03 | mindjuju_ | i was thinking that herlo |
| 17:18.16 | ninnypan_ | mindjuju_: you coming out for mexican today? |
| 17:18.20 | herlo | what computers are the users going to be using if not their own? |
| 17:18.36 | mindjuju_ | ninnypants, i thought it was widely known that i was Mexican |
| 17:18.43 | mindjuju_ | i'm not coming out, i've been out |
| 17:18.44 | herlo | lol |
| 17:19.09 | ninnypan_ | mindjuju_: ahh so you're not a cannibal ;) |
| 17:19.10 | mindjuju_ | ;) |
| 17:19.14 | herlo | mindjuju_: lol |
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| 17:19.45 | mindjuju_ | so herlo, i was think we could issue or use a terminal server |
| 17:20.05 | mindjuju_ | ninnypan_, we've actually got a compnay party today |
| 17:20.17 | mindjuju_ | to celebrate the last day before "the Season" starts |
| 17:20.24 | beandog | the season? |
| 17:20.47 | mindjuju_ | from about August 1st to Nov 1st out company does a shark fin for business |
| 17:21.01 | mindjuju_ | EVERYTHING just explodes busy |
| 17:21.13 | ninnypan_ | mindjuju_: not for sys admin day? |
| 17:21.27 | mindjuju_ | i thought sys admin day was tomorrow? |
| 17:21.38 | captbrogers | Negative. July 27th |
| 17:21.44 | mindjuju_ | ah, well how about that |
| 17:21.48 | herlo | today! |
| 17:21.49 | ninnypan_ | http://sysadminday.com/ |
| 17:21.50 | mindjuju_ | i'll have to get my padawan something nice |
| 17:21.55 | herlo | lol |
| 17:23.49 | fungus | mindjuju_, are your remote users coming from non-company run networks? |
| 17:24.03 | mindjuju_ | fungus, yes |
| 17:24.25 | fungus | I recommend against terminal services; expensive and difficult for users. |
| 17:24.51 | herlo | fungus: sorry, I was just recommending the concept, not the exact service |
| 17:24.53 | fungus | Just issue company laptops |
| 17:25.30 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 17:25.55 | fungus | Require VPN connections when they use it. Either via spoken policy, or via tech policy (though that is a pain w/ some VPN clients). |
| 17:25.58 | herlo | I mean really? Windows? Office? Terminal Services? |
| 17:27.03 | fungus | mindjuju_, more important than any tech issues, is developing strong policies. |
| 17:27.04 | herlo | everyone uses windows, probably goes to the office and uses 'Word's every day to 'Excel'. |
| 17:27.15 | herlo | +1 fungus |
| 17:27.50 | fungus | careful training of users before laptops issued, etc. |
| 17:28.02 | fungus | No internet use w/o connecting to VPN |
| 17:28.26 | fungus | Immediate notification if laptop is lost/stolen |
| 17:28.27 | mindjuju_ | does SOS do a lot of remote emp? |
| 17:28.36 | fungus | Don't keep sensitive data on laptops ever. |
| 17:28.45 | fungus | Yes, we have many |
| 17:29.15 | mindjuju_ | how tightly do you restrict use of the laptop issued? |
| 17:29.24 | mindjuju_ | like do you clamp it down with steadystate or something? |
| 17:29.52 | fungus | not that far, but users are definitely not administrators |
| 17:29.58 | herlo | if it's a work laptop, it should be used for work purposes. I'm not big on making them use it for *only* work, but it should be used for *mostly* work. |
| 17:30.33 | fungus | We have looked into full disk encryption, but that's difficult in an enterprise (user forgets password...) |
| 17:30.46 | herlo | fungus: lol, indeed |
| 17:30.55 | mindjuju_ | ouch |
| 17:31.05 | herlo | user |
| 17:31.17 | SunSparc | Let IT assign passwords and keep a master list. |
| 17:31.30 | fungus | SunSparc, but the user must enter it each time they boot. |
| 17:31.49 | herlo | s/rach/roach/ |
| 17:31.54 | SunSparc | Master list is stored in a double lock safe and only the captain and the first officer have keys. |
| 17:31.58 | herlo | more work for IT staff |
| 17:32.14 | fungus | We are very carefully considering using a virtual desktop system. |
| 17:32.16 | herlo | it's no less work than creating a process for resetting a password |
| 17:32.32 | mindjuju_ | what virtual desktop system? |
| 17:32.35 | herlo | fungus: yeah, that's more what I was thinking. Over remote desktop or something. |
| 17:32.47 | SunSparc | Chromebooks. |
| 17:32.53 | fungus | Not remote desktop, similar, but better. |
| 17:33.02 | fungus | mindjuju_, VMware VDI |
| 17:33.04 | mindjuju_ | hmm, chrome books |
| 17:33.26 | herlo | I think that's why SPICE exists on the Linux side |
| 17:33.30 | SunSparc | A terminal/server setup. Just like back in the old days. |
| 17:34.04 | SunSparc | The terminal is dumb. All the work is done on the server and is stored on the server. |
| 17:34.06 | fungus | Similar to terminal services, but adds encrypted local caching |
| 17:34.44 | fungus | But it's going to be expensive. |
| 17:34.59 | fungus | more so than terminal services licenses even. |
| 17:35.24 | SunSparc | I think any solution is going to be expensive, each solution just puts the cost somewhere else. |
| 17:35.25 | mindjuju_ | hmm |
| 17:35.59 | fungus | Right, but good usage policies, good VPN usage, etc. Can be sufficient for most cases. |
| 17:36.02 | SunSparc | Cost includes: money, time, education, support, etc. |
| 17:39.23 | fungus | mindjuju_, you already have a anti-virus product w/ good central management right? |
| 17:54.15 | tierra | captbrogers: back from the meeting |
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| 17:54.28 | tierra | ninnypants: back from the meeting |
| 17:54.29 | captbrogers | And there is ninnypants. Should we all take off now? |
| 17:54.41 | tierra | I'm good to head out whenever |
| 17:56.09 | captbrogers | Alright, let's met up there. I'll have on a black UTOS shirt and a hat |
| 17:56.11 | captbrogers | And pants |
| 17:56.15 | captbrogers | I'll have pants on |
| 17:57.40 | tierra | heh, I'm actually wearing a Bluehost shirt today, so that should be easy |
| 18:13.23 | TuxToaster | I just love how Microsoft insists on having the AutoUpdate tool pop up and check for updates |
| 18:13.34 | TuxToaster | and 90% of the time the updates it installs are to the updater itself |
| 18:15.12 | SunSparc | ~lart Microsoft AutoUpdate tool |
| 18:15.12 | ibot | duct-tapes Microsoft AutoUpdate tool to the floor and drools on him |
| 18:17.00 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:17.18 | TuxToaster | not to mention that it can't even automatically do it, it has to walk you through a wizard and everything |
| 18:21.05 | mgeary | TuxToaster: what i like is that every. single. update. is marked as "critical" |
| 18:21.18 | TuxToaster | yup, noticed that too |
| 18:21.44 | TuxToaster | either they just think everything's critical, or they have bad enough bugs that they really are. |
| 18:22.34 | TuxToaster | gah, and now it's insisting that I should close Firefox, Safari, and Chrome in addition to Word for it to install the update |
| 18:22.50 | TuxToaster | seriously? why do I need to have all browsers closed for you to update Office? |
| 18:23.09 | mgeary | yeah, i've ranted about that, too |
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| 18:42.07 | mgeary | hey, you android OS tablet users, what would you recommend for someone wanting to view/edit MS Word and Excel files? |
| 18:42.22 | mgeary | and do i assume correctly it has a built-in PDF viewer of some sort? |
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| 19:03.26 | mgeary | no android tablet users? Or are all you puny mortals indulging yourself with that "lunch" business…? |
| 19:05.49 | fungus | Nope, just no puny android tablet users. |
| 19:06.11 | mgeary | i find that hard to believe, with all the anti-Mac diehards here ;) |
| 19:07.28 | DexterTheDragon | mgeary: android comes with a program called quickoffice that opens pdfs, word and possibly excel |
| 19:09.35 | DexterTheDragon | looks like it's called Document Viewer in Android 4.1 |
| 19:09.58 | fungus | DexterTheDragon, do you have a Nexus 7? |
| 19:10.05 | DexterTheDragon | fungus: nope |
| 19:10.31 | fungus | bummer |
| 19:11.03 | mgeary | DexterTheDragon: only opens? No editing? |
| 19:11.14 | DexterTheDragon | yeah it'd be nice to get, but I haven't had a big need |
| 19:11.19 | DexterTheDragon | mgeary: no editing |
| 19:11.22 | mgeary | looks like there's a pro version that has editing |
| 19:11.42 | DexterTheDragon | for editing I think google docs tends to be the android solution |
| 19:21.02 | unum | my solution tends to be my desktop :p |
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| 19:45.47 | beandog | score! |
| 19:45.52 | beandog | I just got balloons and cookies for sysadmin day |
| 19:45.53 | beandog | :D |
| 19:46.43 | beandog | it's a good thing I nagged my boss about not forgetting the holiday |
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| 20:10.18 | TuxToaster | beandog: lol |
| 20:12.22 | mindjuju_ | ~apb DexterTheDragon |
| 20:12.22 | ibot | ACTION summons Tim to find DexterTheDragon |
| 20:12.32 | mindjuju_ | MJ > PM > DtD |
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| 20:27.15 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 20:27.16 | raifbot | executes killall -KILL jsmith. |
| 20:27.27 | jsmith | Thanks TuxToaster |
| 20:27.42 | TuxToaster | anytime, jsmith |
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| 22:08.52 | mgeary | well |
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| 22:49.34 | beandog | http://sysadminday.com/ |
| 22:49.36 | beandog | it's all true! |
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