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| 03:42.12 | ninnypants | http://blog.eset.se/statistics-about-yahoo-leak-of-450-000-plain-text-accounts/ |
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| 14:34.36 | carmony | good morning |
| 14:36.54 | josephscott | carmony: you missed a good rant on a possible PHP 5.5 feature :-) |
| 14:39.07 | carmony | oh yeah? |
| 14:39.10 | carmony | which is that? |
| 14:39.39 | josephscott | parameter skipping - https://wiki.php.net/rfc/skipparams |
| 14:39.48 | josephscott | http://nikic.github.com/2012/07/10/What-PHP-5-5-might-look-like.html |
| 14:39.52 | josephscott | which is a horrible idea |
| 14:40.08 | josephscott | just support named parameters in the same style as Python already |
| 14:43.15 | carmony | lol, its more of a hack than what should be done, I think |
| 14:43.29 | carmony | you still need to remember the parameter order, etc |
| 14:43.38 | josephscott | yeah, it is a bad idea |
| 14:43.44 | carmony | named parameters would be muuuch better |
| 14:43.53 | carmony | but my guess is that a lot of the underpinning code |
| 14:44.02 | carmony | in internals |
| 14:44.07 | carmony | would require a lot of heavy re-writing |
| 14:44.58 | josephscott | doesn't change the fact that for users (people writing PHP code) Python style parameter handling would be the right solution |
| 14:45.10 | carmony | totally agree |
| 14:45.31 | josephscott | kind of like complaining that to speed up your website will take lots of work to fix, doesn't change the fact that a faster website is still a much better experience for your users |
| 14:45.52 | carmony | yup |
| 14:46.32 | carmony | I'll be brutally honest, I'd love to see python used more and more |
| 14:47.01 | josephscott | there are some things I really like Python for |
| 14:47.18 | josephscott | for web dev, I think PHP is still hard to beat |
| 14:47.48 | josephscott | I'm looking at some node.js projects and I'm amazed at the amount of complexity they've managed to build to support some fairly simple sites |
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| 14:49.11 | carmony | yeah |
| 14:49.20 | carmony | well they've swapped kinda with PHP |
| 14:49.37 | carmony | whats easy in node.js is hard in PHP, but whats hard in node.js is simple in PHP |
| 14:51.38 | josephscott | I like the Perl approach: "make the easy things easy, and the hard things possible" |
| 14:51.46 | josephscott | larry wall for the win |
| 14:51.49 | carmony | lol |
| 14:52.16 | josephscott | I think in general PHP follows that approach, specific to web dev |
| 14:52.26 | josephscott | not as much in non-web dev areas |
| 14:52.43 | carmony | lol, yeah.... |
| 14:52.53 | carmony | probably when it shouldn't be used. :P |
| 14:53.09 | josephscott | but python has its issues to, you get people complaining about the GIL, which makes multi-CPU/core usage harder/less performant |
| 14:53.10 | veonik | when PHP shouldnt be used is the best time to use it |
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| 14:53.48 | josephscott | one thing PHP did well is making HTTP requests basically first class citizens |
| 14:53.51 | carmony | If I was independantly wealthy and had a bunch of money, I'd want to try and take an approach kind of like Percona is to MySQL |
| 14:53.56 | josephscott | in the era of the web that was huge |
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| 14:56.43 | josephscott | carmony: fork of PHP? |
| 14:56.56 | carmony | yup :P |
| 14:57.55 | carmony | I already know the name of what we'd call it, which is like the least important aspect of it ;) |
| 15:03.17 | josephscott | carmony: so what is the name? |
| 15:04.31 | carmony | pheonix, or phx |
| 15:05.05 | josephscott | nice :-) |
| 15:05.37 | carmony | the logo could be the ashes of some elephant bones with the pheonix rising out of them :P |
| 15:06.24 | beandog | please don't fork php |
| 15:06.27 | beandog | I'd have to hurt you |
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| 15:10.07 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 15:15.27 | josephscott | ~protect carmony |
| 15:15.28 | ibot | acts as carmony's bodyguard |
| 15:15.52 | josephscott | $rlart |
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| 15:59.12 | ninnypants | anyone use Moniker as a registrar? |
| 16:14.26 | herlo | ~rlart |
| 16:14.27 | ibot | burns unum to a crisp with a laser |
| 16:17.10 | ninnypants | $rlart |
| 16:17.10 | raifbot | whips out a hot glue gun and makes sure that jtsnow is stuck to the floor. |
| 16:17.10 | TuxToaster | ninnypants: not that I know of |
| 16:17.26 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: yeah same here ;) |
| 16:17.52 | TuxToaster | I looked at them a bit since they have some tie-ins with SnapNames |
| 16:18.08 | TuxToaster | but didn't see any value in it otherwise. I've been using Namecheap recently. |
| 16:19.35 | ninnypants | TuxToaster: yeah I use namecheap as well I just sometimes get random questions like do you know these guys so I turn to #uphpu |
| 16:21.05 | TuxToaster | yup yup |
| 16:21.10 | TuxToaster | $chuck-fact |
| 16:21.10 | raifbot | Chuck Norris can run until the treadmill gets tired |
| 16:21.17 | TuxToaster | haha |
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| 17:00.06 | josephscott | lots of smoke this morning, where is the new fire? |
| 17:02.51 | ninnypants | I thought it was just clouds when I was out walking |
| 17:04.36 | TuxToaster | josephscott: there's one on the west side of the Oquirrhs in Tooele county |
| 17:04.49 | josephscott | ah, that could be it |
| 17:06.07 | ninnypants | I've ignored it for a week or so |
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| 18:06.27 | clintberry | macnewbold: What is on the schedule for next weeks meeting? Not that it dictates if I am coming or not, I am just curious. |
| 18:12.47 | Monnok | oh ya.... i might have something that day tho... mentally have that flagged, but what it is, isnt coming to me |
| 18:12.54 | Monnok | might not even be at night |
| 18:12.58 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:14.06 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 18:14.07 | raifbot | slaps TuxToaster upside the head with a wet fish. |
| 18:14.13 | TuxToaster | raifbot: seriously? |
| 18:14.21 | TuxToaster | ~lart raifbot |
| 18:14.21 | ibot | follow's raifbot with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
| 18:14.36 | TuxToaster | ~rlart |
| 18:14.36 | ibot | shoves a crumpet down shalkie's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 18:15.53 | Monnok | anyone know why the scratch one is there? i still dont get it |
| 18:16.11 | TuxToaster | Monnok: yeah, I know, it's weird. |
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| 18:21.57 | ninnypants | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy1amM9rrEQ |
| 18:23.20 | TuxToaster | that's what it's referring to? |
| 18:23.46 | Monnok | ah makes sense |
| 18:24.21 | TuxToaster | ~gauntlet |
| 18:24.27 | Monnok | ++ninnypants |
| 18:24.29 | Monnok | thanks |
| 18:24.37 | TuxToaster | Monnok: backwards |
| 18:24.41 | TuxToaster | ~ninnypants++ |
| 18:24.45 | Monnok | oh right |
| 18:24.51 | skinner | Everytime I complete some awesome task my laptop plays this for me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaxVwD-HvNU |
| 18:24.58 | Monnok | ~TuxToaster++ |
| 18:25.10 | TuxToaster | skinner: lol |
| 18:25.52 | skinner | ~say skinner++ |
| 18:25.52 | ibot | skinner++ |
| 18:25.55 | skinner | woot |
| 18:26.01 | TuxToaster | skinner: and then a waterfall hits? |
| 18:26.04 | TuxToaster | ~skinner skinner |
| 18:26.04 | ibot | ACTION buries skinner in a giant waterfall... WHOOOOSH! |
| 18:26.05 | Monnok | forgot the tildsa |
| 18:26.11 | Monnok | tilda* |
| 18:26.19 | TuxToaster | eh, wouldn't count anyways if ibot is the one saying it |
| 18:26.23 | TuxToaster | though |
| 18:26.25 | TuxToaster | ~karma |
| 18:26.25 | ibot | tuxtoaster has karma of 21 |
| 18:26.28 | skinner | true :) |
| 18:26.32 | TuxToaster | ~TuxToaster++ |
| 18:26.40 | skinner | ~karma ibot |
| 18:26.40 | ibot | ibot has karma of 29 |
| 18:26.45 | TuxToaster | LOL "please don't karma yourself" |
| 18:26.50 | skinner | ~karma |
| 18:26.50 | ibot | skinner has karma of 2 |
| 18:26.55 | skinner | yay |
| 18:26.56 | TuxToaster | !! |
| 18:26.59 | TuxToaster | ~skinner++ |
| 18:27.25 | skinner | Aww shucks. Tanks. :) |
| 18:31.18 | ninnypants | ~karma |
| 18:31.18 | ibot | ninnypants has karma of 14 |
| 18:31.31 | skinner | ~karma++ |
| 18:31.37 | skinner | ~karma karma |
| 18:31.37 | ibot | karma has karma of 6 |
| 18:31.45 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:31.54 | TuxToaster | recursive karma |
| 18:32.13 | skinner | ~karma lol |
| 18:32.13 | ibot | lol has karma of 1 |
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| 18:32.30 | TuxToaster | so that begs a question... if karma had a negative karma, what would happen? |
| 18:32.34 | skinner | ~karma No one |
| 18:32.35 | ibot | no one has neutral karma |
| 18:32.40 | skinner | orly? |
| 18:32.58 | TuxToaster | ~karma Microsoft |
| 18:32.58 | ibot | microsoft has karma of -3 |
| 18:33.08 | skinner | ~microsoft-- |
| 18:33.15 | skinner | ~karma microsoft |
| 18:33.15 | ibot | microsoft has karma of -4 |
| 18:33.43 | TuxToaster | ~flail |
| 18:33.43 | ibot | well, flail is http://www.wowhead.com/?item=925 |
| 18:35.00 | TuxToaster | meh. I would have thought it had a gif of someone flailing |
| 18:35.18 | skinner | ~Maw of the Dragonlord |
| 18:35.19 | skinner | ? |
| 18:35.26 | skinner | ~fail |
| 18:35.26 | ibot | FAIL. |
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| 18:54.34 | TuxToaster | http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/4745909_700b.jpg |
| 18:55.30 | Monnok | interesting... poor guy underneath when he needs to pee |
| 19:06.30 | TuxToaster | http://9gag.com/gag/4746942 |
| 19:11.00 | TuxToaster | and one more... http://oggcraft.jp/eng/eng_p214.html |
| 19:11.06 | macnewbold | clintberry: we had someone express interest in presenting, but i am having trouble getting a confirmation from them |
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| 19:35.53 | influx | I lost some work that was in an unpublished git branch and I don't remember doing anything to the local repo other than switching branches a few times. |
| 19:36.19 | influx | I could use some pointers as to what specific things I might look for that could help me figure out what happened. |
| 19:36.40 | influx | Any ideas? :3 |
| 19:37.17 | herlo | what do you mean 'unpublished' git branch? |
| 19:38.00 | influx | As in it wasn't published/pushed to another repo. |
| 19:38.07 | influx | My "main" repo is on Github. |
| 19:38.28 | herlo | so it was a local only branch |
| 19:38.41 | influx | Yes. |
| 19:38.49 | herlo | how did you 'lose' it? |
| 19:38.57 | influx | That's what I'm trying to find out. |
| 19:38.59 | herlo | can you do git branch and see the branch name? |
| 19:40.25 | influx | yes |
| 19:41.29 | herlo | then you didn't lose it |
| 19:41.37 | herlo | git checkout branchname |
| 19:41.41 | herlo | and you are good |
| 19:41.47 | influx | I lost the work that was in the local only branch. It had not been committed. |
| 19:41.53 | herlo | ?? |
| 19:41.55 | influx | I am currently in the branch. |
| 19:42.08 | herlo | how did you lose it? Did you accidentally delete it? |
| 19:43.12 | influx | That's what I'm trying to figure out. |
| 19:43.40 | influx | All I remember doing (through GitHub for Mac) is switching from the branch in question to a different one, and back, a few times. |
| 19:44.21 | influx | Maybe the application is at fault, because (as far as I know) switching back and forth shouldn't result in lost changes that haven't been committed. |
| 19:44.36 | herlo | agreed |
| 19:44.54 | herlo | but it's also a good idea to commit regularly |
| 19:44.58 | herlo | small commits |
| 19:45.24 | influx | What's a good rule of thumb there? |
| 19:45.52 | ninnypants | switching back and forth changes the files though the app shouldn't let you switch branches if there's un committed code |
| 19:46.29 | ninnypants | dang wasn't scrolled all the way down... |
| 19:47.58 | herlo | ninnypants: not true |
| 19:48.33 | herlo | git lets you do that by tracking changes in each branch independently |
| 19:50.49 | influx | Not a big loss, just a small pita. |
| 19:51.03 | ninnypants | herlo: even if you switch branches and it overwrites the files currently in that dir? |
| 19:51.11 | herlo | yes |
| 19:51.19 | herlo | ninnypants: that would be affecting *only* the branch you are in |
| 19:51.37 | herlo | and you would get into the situation that influx is currently in and the application is not git then |
| 19:52.08 | ninnypants | herlo: even with uncommitted changes? I thought they weren't in the repo so they would just be gone |
| 19:52.22 | herlo | ninnypants: thus my point about committing often |
| 19:53.05 | influx | going back to that point, herlo, do you have any suggestions of what might qualify as a time for a commit? |
| 19:53.10 | herlo | if you aren't committing and some application is changing things, there is nothing that git can do |
| 19:53.25 | herlo | influx: any changes you make. Do commits on every change you make if necessary |
| 19:53.36 | herlo | I like to do commits around changing one particular bit of code. |
| 19:54.37 | influx | So a change could consist of editing a portion of code that accomplishes a single thing (like, e.g. matching a regEx string for input sanitization) |
| 19:55.01 | influx | writing the expression, rather. |
| 19:55.02 | herlo | sure |
| 19:55.08 | influx | That works for me. |
| 19:55.10 | herlo | or a simple edit to a single line |
| 19:55.17 | herlo | you can always revert commits |
| 19:56.04 | influx | aye aye |
| 19:57.16 | influx | Thanks for the confirmation. |
| 19:57.33 | herlo | influx: that's what makes scms awesome |
| 19:57.37 | herlo | and thus the point |
| 19:58.17 | ninnypants | man my commits are giant compared to herlo's |
| 19:58.26 | herlo | lol |
| 19:58.47 | herlo | ninnypants: it's a standard thing I try to do. Usually it's about 20-50 lines that are changed in each commit |
| 19:59.08 | ninnypants | oh nm that's about normal for me |
| 19:59.23 | ninnypants | I was thinking you were committing every few lines or something |
| 19:59.26 | herlo | ninnypants: it's one change, not one line all the time |
| 19:59.34 | herlo | sometimes I only commit a few lines |
| 20:00.12 | ninnypants | I hate when I commit someone else's code that I've modifed |
| 20:00.33 | ninnypants | the commit becomes almost worthless because no one cleans up trailing white space |
| 20:02.14 | herlo | ninnypants: trailing white space is a big annoyance for me too |
| 20:03.03 | ninnypants | yeah and it's basically un avoidable since my editor cleans up white space on save |
| 20:12.02 | mahelious | i must be the bipolar committer then. i rarely commit less than 200 lines when im developing. but when im debugging, almost never over 10. |
| 20:13.10 | ninnypants | mahelious: that doesn't seem off to me. Debugging should only really be small changes anyway |
| 20:15.46 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 20:15.46 | raifbot | teaches supernovia that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 20:16.55 | TuxToaster | raifbot loves MS Access & Outlook |
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| 22:22.06 | mindjuju | $8ball who is this "Kate Perry" whose movie trailer i was forced to watch and is her music good? |
| 22:22.06 | raifbot | mindjuju - Concentrate and ask again. |
| 22:22.17 | mindjuju | that was kind of a broad question |
| 22:22.28 | mindjuju | $8ball is Kate Perry any good? |
| 22:22.29 | raifbot | mindjuju - It is decidedly so. |
| 22:22.50 | mindjuju | i guess if they made a movie about her music, it can't be bad? |
| 22:29.12 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 22:29.12 | raifbot | cats /dev/urandom into mindjuju's ear. |
| 22:29.20 | TuxToaster | fitting. |
| 22:29.36 | TuxToaster | some might even suggest that raifbot just played some Katy Perry for you. |
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| 22:31.50 | macnewbold | I don't know about that conclusion - didn't they make a movie about beiber too? |
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| 22:39.53 | fungus | mindjuju, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGJuMBdaqIw |
| 22:40.35 | fungus | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAp9BKosZXs |
| 22:40.41 | fungus | That's Katy Perry |
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| 23:06.28 | mindjuju | TuxToaster, i didn't listen to the link i found in youtube, twas scared |
| 23:06.36 | mindjuju | but i thinkn i'll listen to fungus's link |
| 23:06.43 | mindjuju | i mean, it doesn't look like a rickroll |
| 23:07.05 | mindjuju | good ole fungus |
| 23:07.12 | fungus | :) |
| 23:07.13 | mindjuju | worth his weight in gold |
| 23:07.55 | jsmith | mindjuju: That's not a lot of gold -- he doesn't weigh very much |
| 23:08.02 | jsmith | mindjuju: Maybe worth his weigh in vegetables? |
| 23:08.21 | mindjuju | funny you say that, i was just starting to compute that |
| 23:08.27 | mindjuju | fungus prolly weights 100lbs |
| 23:08.51 | mindjuju | so let's see, what's 100lbs of gold worth |
| 23:09.28 | mindjuju | it looks like gold is $1889.70/oz |
| 23:09.33 | mindjuju | annd 16 ounces to a pound |
| 23:09.43 | herlo | so 1600 ounces |
| 23:09.58 | herlo | 1600*$1889.70 = ?? |
| 23:10.19 | herlo | :P |
| 23:10.25 | mindjuju | 3023520 |
| 23:10.38 | mindjuju | so fungus is worth 3million |
| 23:11.21 | mindjuju | course though, fungus as fungus is worth that much but he'd much more legendary with his MBP |
| 23:11.27 | mindjuju | and that weighs 2lbs? |
| 23:12.45 | mindjuju | so fungus + MBP (a powerful duo) worth 3083990.4 |
| 23:12.54 | fungus | wow, that's a lot of effor for something so silly. :) |
| 23:13.18 | mindjuju | i'm waiting for clonezilla to finish |
| 23:13.33 | mindjuju | it's got like 2 minutes left |
| 23:13.45 | mindjuju | then weekend start :) |
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| 23:17.27 | herlo | mindjuju: have a nice weekend! :) |
| 23:17.38 | mindjuju | thx bro, you too! |
| 23:18.04 | herlo | I plan to hack :) |
| 23:18.24 | herlo | so it should be good! :) |
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