IRC log for #uphpu on 20120703

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15:35.33*** topic/#UPHPU is Utah PHP Users | uphpu.org | Meeting 6/21, 7pm@C7: carmony on graphite, statsd, and real-time statistics
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15:35.45mindjuju~hit TuxToaster
15:35.45purlACTION punches TuxToaster.
15:36.12TuxToaster~bacon macnewbold
15:36.12purlACTION goes Footloose on macnewbold, even though its illegal
15:36.21TuxToasterpurl: wrong bacon.
15:36.21purlACTION "bacon., YOU ARE WRONG!"
15:36.25TuxToasterLOL
15:36.30mindjujuawesome
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15:42.27TuxToaster$lart josephscott
15:42.27raifbotburns josephscott to a crisp with a laser.
15:42.40josephscott$mindtrick TuxToaster
15:42.40raifbot(jedi hand wave) TuxToaster you don't need to see his identification.
15:44.15TuxToasterso raifbot burns you to a crisp and then says the remains don't need to be identified.
15:44.16TuxToastershady.
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15:59.39mindjujuso i hate to be all ornery, but am i the only one grumpy about the changes to DNS in ubuntu 12.04 them moving it from /etc/resolv.conf to who knows where now?
15:59.51mindjujudid all of linux make this change or is it just ubuntu?
16:06.03carmonyhrm, no idea
16:06.08carmonyI didn't know there was a change
16:06.11carmony<--- sysadmin newb
16:06.27mindjujuhere is where i'm reading - http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
16:07.10utahconmindjuju: I missed that change too, moved away from Ubuntu
16:07.31mindjujuutahcon, what did you switch to?
16:07.37utahconmindjuju: I knew they had changed the order of DNS lookups
16:07.42utahconmaking local lookups last
16:07.59herloutahcon: that seems wrong
16:08.04utahconmindjuju: Fedora, and #! (Crunchbang)
16:08.06mindjujulong time no talk utahcon, how is the new homestead?
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16:09.15utahconmindjuju: new place is awesome
16:09.28mindjujuhow far are you from herlo?
16:10.31josephscottthat does seem like a silly change
16:10.34utahconherlo: I am scrambling for th article, but sometime in the last year they reversed the DNS lookup order (bone headed) because it would save them a fraction of time to skip locals first
16:10.43josephscottI didn't see a list of benefits for this change any where
16:11.05herloutahcon: no need, they are being dumb
16:11.07herlo:)
16:11.14utahconmindjuju: 1.6 miles from herlo
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16:12.15utahconless as the bird flies
16:12.16mindjujuutahcon, at that range, i'd be slinging toilet paper into his trees and around his cars
16:12.20josephscottstrange to change something that has been working since the mid-80s
16:12.21mindjujuhe's lucky i'm not closer
16:12.25mindjuju;)
16:12.39mindjujumy thoughts josephscott
16:12.53mindjujubut then i can't tell when i'm being old and ornery or wise
16:13.13josephscottyeah, that is why I was looking for a benefits section, which I couldn't find
16:13.39josephscottreplacing something simple with something complex needs to have some big pluses
16:14.30utahconjosephscott: did you find the article I was looking for?
16:14.31mindjujuwell posting it here for common knowledge, you add it to /etc/network/interfaces as dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8
16:14.34mindjujuand you're good to go
16:14.44josephscottutahcon: what article?
16:14.58mindjujui just know google is happy to provide dns just to see better what i'm looking at, i'm meh about it
16:15.00utahconabout the DNS changes in ubuntu...
16:15.03utahconI am guessing not
16:16.41josephscottI read the one mindjuju linked to: http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
16:18.21utahconthey are just trying to make it easier to change things without breaking other things
16:18.26utahconno real reason to
16:18.35utahconbut that is whaty they are _trying_ to do
16:30.58fungusjosephscott, resolvconf has been around for a long time.  Previously it was only used when the machine was using DHCP.  
16:31.19fungusThis recent change only made it use resolvconf all the time instead of sometimes.
16:31.41josephscottright, which is certainly significant
16:32.37fungusYes, it is significant.  And is necessary since NetworkManager is the default now.
16:33.08fungusAnd it's not just Ubuntu that overwrites resolv.conf
16:33.19fungusFedora does too, just uses different scripts
16:33.59josephscottbest part about standards ;-)
16:34.17fungusNetworkManager is really handy on laptops
16:34.24fungussemi-useful on desktops
16:35.44fungusdistros have never had a standard on how to configure network interfaces.  
16:36.39mindjujui was ornery cause i just barely learned where to go for that stuff, and it was changed
16:36.52fungus/etc/resolv.conf was a standard, but it's unworkable in DHCP environments
16:37.08josephscottunworkable would be a bit strong I think
16:37.32mindjujulike i was all, i know where to go for dns server stuff and didn't need to google or anything, headed over and pow!  a warning to not add it there and no notice on where to add it :(
16:37.55fungusunworkable is the right word.  You have to rewrite it for DHCP, whether you use resolvconf, or other custom scripts, it's all the same.
16:38.59josephscottI was fine with rewriting it when DHCP was in use
16:39.05josephscottwas workable for me :-)
16:39.32josephscottwhen using DHCP I expect certain things to kind of change on their own
16:39.58fungusright, the only thing new now, is that NetworkManager is on by default, hence the need to rewrite resolv.conf
16:40.28fungusNetworkManager has been default in Fedora for much longer.
16:41.04josephscottI tried Fedora a few times, but it just rubbed me the wrong way, so didn't stick with it
16:41.16josephscottin general I've been pretty happy with Ubuntu
16:41.27fungusI've been using it for about 4 weeks.  
16:41.38josephscottFedora?
16:41.51fungusI'm switching back soon, but there's a  lot here I like
16:43.40fungusDon't like: systemd, a few minor aspects of Gnome-shell, slow-ass yum
16:45.11fungusLike: many aspects of Gnome-shell, easy/working open-source drivers for my ATI card
16:48.44TuxToasterapt > yum, IMO
16:48.50fungusagreed
16:49.08mindjujuaptitude > apt ?
16:49.09fungusThough yum isn't that bad, it works well overall.
16:49.27fungusaptitude is just another frontend for apt
16:52.29TuxToasteryeah, never have used aptitude much
16:52.37TuxToasterthough one thing always bugged me
16:52.56fungusI want to mix/match features of both Gnome3 and Unity
16:53.05TuxToasterwhy don't they make a single apt binary (or even wrapper) so that you could do 'apt install x' or 'apt search y' instead of apt-get install and apt-cache search
16:53.41fungusTuxToaster, they did.  aptitude
16:53.45TuxToasterlol
16:54.04TuxToasterI just never understood why apt itself was structured the way it was
16:54.22TuxToasterit works well enough, just always seemed like it would have been easier
16:54.58fungusit would, but in the early days those two functions were considered wholly separate.
16:55.09fungusLittle did they know how most people would actually use it.
16:55.44fungus~blame debian
16:55.44purlACTION blames debian (and Canada) for all the evil in the world
16:55.51funguspurl?
16:56.08fungusI miss ibot
16:56.31mindjujui'm not sure where ibot is
16:56.38mindjujubut i thought purl was on the same db?
16:56.41mindjuju~fungus
16:56.41purlfrom memory, fungus is Kinda smelly, but grows on you, or a ASCII guru, or an Okra fan, or the new hawtness, or a hip, or gaga for Gaga, or a disciple of Hoprah
16:56.47mindjujusee
16:57.05mindjujufungus, are you disciple of hoprah?
16:57.06funguspurl is another nick of ibot, I know.  But I miss ibot (the name)
16:57.20funguslol, no.  
16:57.25mindjujuheh
16:57.26fungusa disciple of Oprah, yes.
16:57.51fungusI don't believe in Hoprah
16:58.31skinnerAwwww......Andy Griffith died..... :'(
16:58.46funguswow, he sure held out a long time.
16:59.00skinnerya he did
16:59.29ninnypantswait skinner is actually in the room?
16:59.33mindjujui think i still have No time for sargents on VHS, maybe i'll play tribute
16:59.47skinnerI think he is....strange enough
16:59.51skinner~skinner skinner
16:59.51purlACTION buries skinner in a giant waterfall... WHOOOOSH!
17:00.09ninnypantsskinner: how has it been?
17:00.20skinnerCrazy
17:00.41skinnerWork had major IT issues over the last month leaving me with not much to do
17:00.42ninnypantsstill working the same place?
17:00.50skinnerya
17:01.09ninnypantswhat does not much to do mean for you?
17:02.08skinnerMy company has a contract with BYU. (Where i've been for the last year). The IT department at BYU did a "routine upgrade" to their storage systems in their databse. Some kind of failure happened and most of the services crashed. This happened over memorial weekend.
17:02.26mgearyheh. i remember that
17:02.27skinnerour staging and development servers were destroyed
17:02.34ninnypantsahh
17:02.36skinner6 months of test cases and bugs gone
17:02.37mgearycaused huge havoc
17:02.40skinner4 months of cose
17:02.42skinner*code
17:02.47mindjujuouch
17:02.49skinnermgeary: Yes it has...lol
17:02.49mgearyskinner: …. no svn repository?
17:02.54skinneroh we use svn
17:02.56ninnypantsno remote version control?
17:03.01skinnerthe server got destroyed
17:03.08mgearyso it was a local repo
17:03.11skinnerbut someone had an offsite backup from 4 months back that we had to use
17:03.15macnewboldouch
17:03.23skinnerthen everyone merged their recent changes into that
17:03.25macnewboldsomeone wasn't doing backups (properly)?
17:03.30skinnernope
17:03.41skinnerwell the server that had our "regular" backups was affected too
17:03.46macnewboldhaha
17:04.04mgearyso, i'm curious. were these Windows servers?
17:04.06skinnerso instead of moving forward, we've been rebuilding the last 4 months
17:04.21skinnermgeary: Some were, others were Linux
17:04.30mgearyand they ALL crashed and died?
17:04.46skinnerIt was some kind of hardware/firmware failure
17:04.53josephscottouch
17:05.03skinnerI think it was reported that 85% - 90% of the systems were affected across all campus
17:05.13skinnermost departments are back up and runninng
17:05.24skinnerbut overall were still months away from complete restoration
17:05.42skinnersome professors lost research data they had been working on forever and as a result are loosing grants
17:05.57ninnypantsthey couldn't pull any data off the drives?
17:05.57mindjujuouch
17:06.19skinnerninnypants: I'm not sure. The emails I was cc'd on said our data was lost
17:06.41skinnerOne person in IT said nothing like this has ever happened in the whole 12 years they'd been here
17:06.48ninnypantsstrange I wouldn't think a firmware issue would hose all the hdds
17:07.01mindjujuskinner, with all due respect, i think this would be a great topic for either PLUG or UPHPU
17:07.05fungusskinner, I believe that, but they really screwed the pooch on their backup strategy
17:07.14fungusunless that was your responsibility?
17:07.17skinneroh yes they did
17:07.28mindjujuas an eye opener, and how strategies can fail
17:07.43fungusbackup system should not be on the same storage system as production
17:07.47skinnerI didn't have a hand in anything with the failure
17:08.03skinnerMy part is a small PHP script for their new Learning Management System
17:08.15ninnypantsmakes me glad that I can dump my whole pc and get back up and running with no data loss
17:08.35skinnerWhich took all of 30 seconds to fix after "the crash of '12"
17:08.53skinnerbut everyone else has been getting their things back up and running.
17:09.00skinnerno new tasks assigned
17:09.07skinnerso I've been sitting on my thumbs....waiting.....
17:09.22mindjujui bet your thumbs hurt
17:09.25josephscottthis is why I love having a full bootable backup of my laptop
17:09.33skinneryeah, they've gotten pretty swollen the last few weeks
17:09.40josephscotton an external device that I only plug in to do the backup
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17:09.46fungusIf my main SAN got destroyed, I would cry for sure, but only because restoring the backups would take days.
17:10.12josephscotttrade offs I suppose
17:10.22josephscotthaving a back up in another DC is a pain
17:10.43josephscottuntil your primary DC catches on fire and destroys all of your servers, including the backups in the same DC
17:10.47fungusyes it is, but necessary at some point.
17:10.50josephscotttrue story sadly
17:10.54fungusexactly
17:11.18josephscottso depends on what types of failures you are willing to deal with or pay to mitigate against
17:11.28fungusWe still send tapes to one of those mountain vault services
17:11.36skinnerhttp://universe.byu.edu/index.php/2012/06/12/fixing-byu-data-crash-will-take-months/
17:12.03skinner"Failed software upgrade"
17:12.39josephscottman, that is painful
17:12.59josephscottthat, and they really should drop the index.php from their pretty permalinks in WP :-)
17:13.01skinnerya
17:13.12skinnerlol
17:14.49fungus" There were pockets where a backup may not have occurred recently."
17:14.51funguslol
17:15.09fungusmeaning, oops, we forgot to add backups here.
17:15.54fungusbeen there done that.
17:16.02skinner"...it is likely that there were some {backup strategies} that were a little less mature."
17:17.56skinnerhttp://tinyurl.com/862ee6c
17:19.03josephscottyeah, backups are no good if you can't actually restore from them
17:19.15josephscottso if you haven't attempted a real restore, you don't know if you have good backups
17:30.25clintberrylol: http://i.imgur.com/OxzEv.jpg
17:30.30unumagreed
17:30.36clintberrysorry if you are a scientologist...
17:31.10unumI have an automated system that loads my production database into my development database everymorning at 2am
17:34.13unumI think a lot of organizations have a lack of appreciation for how much time IT SHOULD spend testing existing systems
17:34.55unumI think I'm going to start throwing a breaker switch every few months for now on
17:38.07ninnypantschaos monkey
17:39.26romanovicskinner: 54-10.  That is all.
17:51.17skinnerOld news
17:51.18skinnerlol
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17:55.29captbrogersI'd like to say a few words. Nitwit! Oddment! Blubber! Tweak! Thank you.
17:56.54mindjujuNi!
18:04.32TuxToasterhttp://pastehtml.com/view/c3kvmepwu.html
18:04.38TuxToastersome weird Google maps fun
18:05.21TuxToasterhmm, and apparently those links don't work on that paste.
18:05.29TuxToasterthere really should be an easy way to paste a list of links
18:11.29captbrogersIs the Batman one on there?
18:12.02ninnypantsTuxToaster: links worked for me
18:20.48TuxToastercould have just been my browser... it's been acting strange the last couple of days.
18:21.05TuxToasteryesterday if I typed in a search in the address bar it kept going to a blank page
18:21.12TuxToasterbut if I typed in google and searched on the site it was fine
18:24.28ninnypantsI actually saw something about chrome sending searches to blank.html yesterday
18:25.54TuxToasteryup...
18:26.44hhatfield~jar me
18:26.44purlhhatfield took the cookie from the cookie jar. "Who, me?", "Yes, you!", "Couldn't be!", "Then, who?" "influx !"
18:27.26TuxToaster~tincan hhatfield
18:27.36hhatfield~off TuxToaster
18:27.36purlACTION Pushes TuxToaster into the path of an oncoming vehicle and blames fridgesm
18:27.37TuxToaster~lart hhatfield
18:27.37purlrm -rf's hhatfield
18:28.23ninnypantsso when did ibot change to purl?
18:28.47TuxToasterpurl, tincan $1 is stuffs $1 into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it.
18:28.47purlokay, TuxToaster
18:28.50TuxToaster~tincan hhatfield
18:28.50purlstuffs hhatfield into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it.
18:28.59TuxToasteryay
18:29.03skinner~vacuum captbrogers
18:29.18TuxToasterninnypants: dunno, I noticed ibot was gone earlier, then purl showed up
18:34.41mindjujuTuxToaster, i summoned purl
18:36.22mindjujuthat's why the first thing that purl did on showing up was hit you ;)
18:37.02mindjuju07[09:34] <+TuxToaster> 02meh, where's ibot?01 14[09:35] * +purl punches TuxToaster.01
18:37.43TuxToastermindjuju: I figured you brought purl in
18:37.50TuxToasterjust not sure where ibot went
18:38.02mindjujuoh
18:38.31TuxToasteryour ~hit TuxToaster was awfully quick on the draw, so I assumed you probably knew it was coming. lol
18:39.22captbrogers$lart skinner
18:39.22raifbotwhacks skinner upside the head.
18:39.39captbrogers~roulette
18:39.39purlACTION watches captbrogers pull the trigger:  BANG!
18:39.44captbrogers...dang
18:40.05TuxToasterlol
18:40.17TuxToaster~tincan himself
18:40.18purlstuffs himself into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it.
18:40.50mindjujui don't think they are going to make any more IT crowd anything
18:41.18ninnypantsmindjuju: that's what I've been thinking
18:41.24mindjuju:(
18:41.35mindjujuthey've been dragging their feet on this one off episode
18:44.00ninnypantsman media temple is backwards moving page content requests from ajax to php actually made page loads slower...
18:46.36TuxToasterouch
18:46.55ninnypantsyeah and it's by something like 2 seconds
18:48.00ninnypantsfor 3 WordPress pages of data not even sure how that's possible
18:49.31TuxToaster~fail
18:49.31purlFAIL.
18:50.20TuxToasterthe ajax calls were on the same server?
18:51.01TuxToasterseems like there'd be something included in the page that might be slowing things down if they worked fine as pure ajax... might not hurt to set up some profiling
18:51.07mindjujuhmm, ninnypants this seems forced - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwrel&NR=1&v=o7vg1i83yek
18:51.14TuxToasteror even just print out some microtimes before and after pieces of code
18:52.37TuxToasterIn October 2011, Graham Linehan stated that there will not be a fifth series - just a one off special in 2012.[3] However, in March 2012, actor Chris O'Dowd said the special was yet to be made, citing availability issues.
18:52.50mindjujuyeah, that's a bummer
18:53.17mindjujuTuxToaster , did you see the link?
18:54.29ninnypantsmindjuju: at least they got Jeff Winger
18:54.44ninnypantsand the real Moss
18:55.04mindjujuwhodat?
18:55.41ninnypantsJeff Winger is who Roy's character plays in Community
18:56.02mindjujuhaven't seen community
18:56.19ninnypantsyou should watch it
18:57.03ninnypantsit's just too much of a ripoff
18:57.18mindjujuyeah
19:00.04ninnypantsIt seems pointless to pay new actors to say and do the exact same thing that others have already done
19:00.19mindjujuagree
19:00.50mindjujuwhat they should do is go to war with the bbc to compel them to make more
19:00.53mindjujuforce even!
19:01.01ninnypantsTuxToaster: looks like it's only an issue on the webpagetest.org halved the load time for me locally
19:01.29TuxToasterweird
19:01.53TuxToasterbut at least it's not as bad as it seemed
19:03.40ninnypantsyeah and I won't know for sure how good it is until I get it to the clients production environment which isn't on MT
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19:09.43TuxToaster~jar hhatfield
19:09.43purlhhatfield took the cookie from the cookie jar. "Who, me?", "Yes, you!", "Couldn't be!", "Then, who?" "TuxToaster !"
19:09.50TuxToasterd'oh
19:09.51hhatfieldhahahahahahaha
19:09.53captbrogerslol
19:09.57hhatfieldloL
19:10.31TuxToaster~lolstats
19:10.31purltotal count of lol on #uphpu: 4614.  Top 3: TuxToaster -- 764 (16.6%), carmony -- 542 (11.7%), macnewbold -- 478 (10.4%)
19:11.03TuxToasterI really need to take a several-month hiatus from #uphpu so that carmony can catch up.
19:11.43TuxToasteror maybe I'll mod my client so that typing in lol doesn't work.
19:11.46mindjujuninnypants - classic IT crowd - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=vNhjHtMXLkA
19:11.49TuxToasterlike it'll just ignore it.
19:13.52captbrogersOr changes 'lol' to 'chuckles with mirth'
19:14.08mindjujua good chortle is great
19:14.08TuxToasterhah
19:14.17captbrogerscwm
19:14.43TuxToastercaptbrogers: but if you're not careful people might think you're referring to modding on Android. :P cwm == Clockwork Mod
19:15.33captbrogersTrue
19:18.40TuxToasteranyone else remember when "Microsoft Surface" referred to a $10k table that no one really cared about?
19:18.57skinnerI do
19:19.03captbrogersI thought it seemed kind of cool
19:19.16captbrogersThey had a lot of touch gestures that now seem like default on any touch interface
19:19.24captbrogersNot saying it was revolutionary, but still
19:20.12fungushttp://i.imgur.com/vRTRP.jpg
19:20.46ninnypantsmindjuju: I forgot about goth2boss I think my favorite is the Aunt Irma
19:21.00TuxToastercaptbrogers: yeah, the concept was kind of cool, the object recognition is interesting
19:21.15TuxToasterthey just haven't done much to bring it to mainstream use
19:21.34TuxToasterI just find it funny when someone mentions the Surface tablet because that's always what I picture
19:22.04TuxToasterfungus: lol
19:22.19mindjujuaunt irma is awesome
19:33.36carmonyno lols for me!
19:35.00carmonyfungus: LOL
19:35.09carmonythat.... it too true
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19:59.53ninnypantsgah something with my js must be really slow this site got 2.5 of 2.5M from cache but still took 2.6 seconds to load
20:02.19mindjujufungus, did you get banned ? http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5978861022
20:04.11fungusNo, I play on a Mac
20:04.18mindjujuah
20:04.21fungusand Blizzard doesn't ban Linux users.
20:04.22fungushttp://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5978861022?page=21#402
20:05.30mindjujuinteresting, so they were cheating
20:05.41funguspossibly
20:06.15mindjujui still haven't played it yet
20:06.22mindjujubut i did see the cinematics, cool story
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20:09.54romanovicwouldn't surprise me to hear that blizzard had wrongly profiled all wine players as cheating as a result of the actions of a select few
20:09.55fungusIt's definitely fun to play, but unless you like playing for challenge sake, it gets pretty old as you move to harder difficulties.
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20:16.36mindjujufun game
20:16.40mindjujuCorban and I play
20:16.50josephscottI was pleased to see some people on gameranger still doing multiplayer games
20:17.13mindjujui was trying to get the original red alert to play, but couldn't find a way to get the IPX/SPX to work on win 7 (corban laptop)
20:17.32mindjujueven through virtualbox
20:17.42mindjujubut vb error was something video :(
20:20.47TuxToasterromanovic: could be, but seems like this comes up every so often.
20:20.58TuxToastera group of people get banned, whine about WINE, and then it simmers down
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20:21.24romanovicah.
20:21.24TuxToasterit's entirely possible that it's some particular combo that triggers it, but it's also possible that it's people who were actually cheating and are trying to cover
20:21.49TuxToasterI don't even game much at all, but I've seen it quite a bit when I used to try to run WoW under linux
20:21.54romanovicTuxToaster: on wine specifically, or in general?
20:22.18romanovicme neither - i've never tried gaming with wine, and have little experience on battle.net
20:22.32TuxToasteractually both.. I remember seeing threads a few years ago over people being kicked off running wine, but I'm sure similar things happen to regular users as well
20:22.50TuxToasterI used to fiddle with Cedega a bit, it actually was fairly nice
20:23.00TuxToasterWoW played very, very well on Linux with it
20:23.10TuxToastera quirk here or there, but nothing huge
20:31.35skinnerI've played WoW and other bilzzard games without many issues...
20:34.35skinner< /troll>
20:38.33TuxToasterhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuTlkbHldQs
20:45.50DexterTheDragonhttp://www.engineyard.com/blog/2012/announcing-our-new-php-user-group-program/
20:47.07mindjujui just had a convo with the accountant where he said he's buying the windows phone because it's more secure than android
20:47.25TuxToasterlol
20:47.30mindjujui asked him how he knew, since you know, it's not out yet, but he's said he's read stuff
20:47.53mindjujui didn't talk too long, since he does payroll, don't want him grumbly
20:47.59TuxToasterthe day Microsoft finally makes a product that doesn't suck... it'll be a vacuum.
20:48.24josephscottsomeone just mentioned a fire in draper in another channel
20:49.25mindjujupeno just posted a B & B vid on fire on fb
20:50.09TuxToasterB & B?
20:50.18DexterTheDragonbed and breakfast
20:50.19mindjujubeavis and butthead
20:50.28josephscottDexterTheDragon: should make sure macnewbold has seen http://www.engineyard.com/blog/2012/announcing-our-new-php-user-group-program/
20:50.29TuxToasterah
20:51.05fungusTuxToaster, MS does make a few good products.  
20:51.18fungusXbox, keyboards, mice
20:51.24TuxToasterfungus: I know... I just like the saying.
20:51.57TuxToastertechnically the Visual Studio suite is really nice as well.
20:53.57TuxToasterjosephscott: interesting.
20:54.22josephscottTuxToaster: wouldn't want to turn down free support for UPHPU :-)
20:57.53ninnypantshuh I thought engine yard was strictly Ruby/RoR hosting
20:59.09josephscottthe purchased a PHP hosting company
21:04.37DexterTheDragonyeah they bought http://orchestra.io/
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21:29.18TuxToasterjosephscott: http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=21104059
21:29.42TuxToasterlikely the one you were talking about if its between Draper and Alpine
21:30.10josephscottsounds like it
21:36.12beandogwho wants to go see spiderman? :D
21:36.16beandogeverybody!
21:36.18clintberryOh man, that smoke cloud is getting huge from alpine
21:38.08TuxToasteryeah, looking right at it from here
21:41.05beandogwhat, what's on fire?
21:41.23clintberryalpine
21:41.29clintberryand the smoke is getting crazy
21:41.32beandogsadness. :(
21:41.45clintberryit looks like a nuke went off over the mountain
21:42.42beandogis it the mountains or like houses and stuff
21:43.19TuxToastermountains right now, threatening a few houses
21:43.25beandog:(
21:51.22ninnypantsTuxToaster: another new one?
21:52.45TuxToasteryeah, they just ordered evacuations
21:53.07TuxToasterhttp://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=21104059
21:53.18clintberryA guy I know that works over there says one house is already gone
21:53.59TuxToasteroi.
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22:07.45Heartsbanew00t Alpine is on 5FIRE
22:13.55ninnypantshope this wasn't submitted by anyone in Utah http://clientsfromhell.net/post/26440013061/burning-for-sales
22:21.54TuxToasterOMG.
22:22.05TuxToasterI wouldn't be surprised
22:22.32TuxToasterthere were people tweeting that they were hoping for cheap land prices after the fire in Saratoga Springs
22:24.44beandoglol
22:25.05beandogTuxToaster: wow, that is low
22:25.10beandogthe cfh is funny though
22:34.13carmonyis there a macnewbold around?
22:38.45Heartsbanecarmony: wanna do lunch next week
22:40.21carmonyHeartsbane: sure, Wednesday would work well for me
22:40.33beandog~buy carmony a burger
22:40.33purlACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen a burgers for carmony
22:43.43Heartsbanecarmony: cool
22:44.49carmonyjust remind me tuesday & Wednesday morning
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22:46.26macnewboldcarmony: yeah i'm here carmony
22:47.44carmonymacnewbold: would this be something you'd be interested in? http://www.engineyard.com/blog/2012/announcing-our-new-php-user-group-program/
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22:48.35macnewboldand DexterTheDragon and josephscott: i took a look at that link
22:48.37macnewboldcool beans
22:48.50beandogman
22:48.50macnewboldcarmony: yeah, i just clicked the "request access" on their google doc spreadsheet
22:48.54beandogjust googling utah php brings up uphpu
22:48.57beandogderp de derp
22:48.57macnewboldfree stuff = good
22:49.10macnewboldbeandog: of course :)
22:49.15macnewboldwe seo heavily
22:49.39josephscott~signup carmony for google calendar to schedule is lunch appointments
22:49.39purlthat's too long, josephscott
22:49.47macnewboldbeandog: google php group and we come up #10
22:49.49macnewboldon the front page
22:50.10josephscott$google php group
22:50.10raifbotjosephscott searching http://www.google.com/search?q=php+group -- http://php.net/copyright.php -- http://www.php.net/ -- http://php.net/credits.php
22:50.12beandogeh, not for me
22:50.15beandogstupid search bubbles
22:50.17beandog~lart google
22:50.17purlchops google in half with a free Solaris 7 CD
22:50.17josephscott$google utah php
22:50.18raifbotjosephscott searching http://www.google.com/search?q=utah+php -- http://uphpu.org/ -- http://uphpu.org/members/ -- http://php.jobs.net/jobs/utah.aspx
23:03.34mindjujuhmm, 503 in the pm
23:09.55eggyknap...and 153 in the fahrenheit...
23:10.00eggyknap$weather 84637
23:10.01raifbot3eggyknap - 0,2current weather for 84637 - Clear 95f / 35c Humidity: 9% Wind: SW at 23 mph
23:10.08eggyknapI don't believe it :)
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