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14:40.54maheliousIt's days like these that I really miss PB Max and Surge.
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15:22.31raifbothurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at Heartsbane.
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15:42.34ninnypantsanyone have experience purchasing already registered domains?
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16:05.47mindjujuninnypants, i do what up?
16:05.53mindjujuyou mean like transfer domains, right?
16:06.07ninnypantsyea
16:06.28mindjujuyeah, UTOS just transfered in a domain
16:06.32ninnypantsnice
16:06.47mindjujuyou have qq about domain transfer process?
16:06.52mindjujuor just wondering who had?
16:07.16ninnypantswe had a client looking at buying a "premium" domain wanted to know how to not get ripped off
16:07.40mindjujua premium domain?
16:07.46ninnypantsI understand the transfer process and everything just wondering if there's a good way to tell if the selling site is legit
16:08.06mindjujuoh
16:08.11ninnypantsone someone bought and is selling for lots of money
16:08.24mindjujuyuck cybersquatter
16:08.49mindjujuyeah, BGM wanted a domain that was on "backorder" and we actually got it
16:09.00mindjujubut we went through a co. called snapbids i think
16:10.10mindjujuwait, that's not right
16:10.37mindjujubgm had purchased all their domains via networksolutions and the purchasing agent was a sister company
16:11.16mindjujubut the way it worked ninnypants is that we put in a CC and a max price and they try to buy it, i think purchaser's fee was like $50 or maybe $100
16:11.33ninnypantsmakes sense
16:11.47ninnypantsI've seen services like that from godaddy and others
16:11.57ninnypantsI wonder if they would get a better price doing that
16:12.02mindjujumaybe
16:12.23mindjujui think if i were you and it was a company less well known, i'd try to do it through an escrow company
16:12.40mindjujuthat can hold the money until a domain transfer takes place
16:14.17mindjujuhmm, looks like network solutions took it internal, but just as you say, "premium domains"
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16:19.09mindjujuhey ninnypants - i found that escrow.com does do domain name transfers - https://www.escrow.com/solutions/domain_name/index.asp
16:19.21mindjujui've used escrow.com with ebay and some higher priced things
16:19.27mindjujuand i think ebay still endorses them
16:19.38mindjujujust a thought, hope things go well :)
16:20.04ninnypantsmindjuju: cool I'll have to recommend it
16:20.57mindjujucarmony, saw your FB post, totally agree
16:21.24carmonymindjuju: glad I'm not the only one who feels that way :P
16:22.03mindjujuyup, plus there is the whole thing about work friends and utos friends, etc
16:22.08mindjujuand it tends to alienate people
16:22.26mindjujuplus, i'm pretty sure people know my opinions :)
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16:30.24mindjujusome weirdo named tyrel wants to be my FB buddy
16:30.27mindjujuninnypants^^
16:30.29mindjuju;)
16:31.07carmonylol
16:31.19carmonyrequest..... DENIED!
16:31.24mindjujuyeah!
16:31.31mindjujuor maybe i'll charge some big $$
16:35.19ninnypantsyeah I got on and almost instantly remembered why I never log into facebook
16:35.34ninnypantsjust way too many farkle requests for me to handle
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16:39.20raifbotputs Monnok into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of Monnok's hair off.
16:39.30MonnokAh memories
16:40.53Monnokmy late step grandfather used to do that a lot
16:41.02mindjuju:)
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16:42.53TuxToasterlol
16:49.16josephscott$8ball is my EC2 instance still up?
16:49.17raifbotjosephscott - It is decidedly so.
16:49.24josephscottthat answers the question twice :-)
17:04.36romanovicSo, I have a password protected url (via .htaccess with apache).  Anyone know why assets in subdirectories would still be inaccessible, even after being authorized for the top directory?
17:05.26romanovicNot using mod rewrite or anything, it is just serving files straight up
17:07.46Monnokfirst thing id to check: file permissions
17:08.15Monnok%s/to //g
17:08.58Monnokim no expert, but sometimes its the simple things i forget to check
17:09.07mindjujui think fungus said once that the rules in .htaccess are first come, first serve like iptables, so if you want exceptions, they go above the rule denying
17:09.17mindjujuare your rules in the right sequence?
17:13.14romanovicin my file, it is authtype, authname, authuserfile, require valid-user
17:13.36romanovicthen order allow,deny \ allow from all
17:14.49mindjujuhave you tried pulling the .htaccess out all together and seeing ifyou can see the pictures?  verify the prob in .htaccess?
17:16.23romanovicyes, it all works great if i take out the .htaccess
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17:17.34romanovicor, if I had another .htaccess in the subdirectory granting access from anyway, it also loads fine (mp3 in this case, if that makes a difference)
17:18.09romanovics/from anyway/to anyone/
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18:48.00TuxToaster$rlart
18:48.00raifbotslaps shalkie upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh.
18:54.00mgeary~rlart
18:54.00ibotdumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on ninnypants
19:17.52mindjujuromanovic, did you figure it out?
19:18.52romanovicfor now i've settled with simply adding the second .htaccess that explicitly grants access to the subdirectory
19:19.04romanovicmindjuju: thanks though
19:19.08mindjuju:)
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19:24.42raifbotcrushes TuxToaster with a full height scsi disk.
19:29.02TuxToaster~karma
19:29.02ibottuxtoaster has karma of 18
19:29.20TuxToastermeh, not quite what I meant.
19:29.51mgearythat karma's looking a mite low, TuxToaster
19:29.54mgeary~TuxToaster++
19:30.16mindjujuooo, nm
19:30.18TuxToastermgeary: why thank you
19:30.23mindjujuoh 19, that's better
19:30.41TuxToastermindjuju: there's an index?
19:31.10mindjujuyup, The official Inter-galactic matrix of karama
19:31.17TuxToasterlol
19:31.25mindjujuit has a number in one column, and your fate in the other
19:31.45TuxToasterapparently 18 == getting crushed by a full height scsi disk.
19:32.03mindjujufor eternity, thankfully no, actually the fate for 18 is much worse
19:32.14mindjujubut you're 19 now :)
19:32.23TuxToasterlol
19:33.12mindjujuat 19, your fate is that of the guy that walks around in a parade w/ a shovel after all the animals walk by
19:33.23mindjuju18, you're a windows 3.11 developer
19:33.31TuxToasterhaha
19:33.46TuxToasterso if you're at zero or negative...
19:33.48mindjuju~tuxtoaster++
19:33.53TuxToasterdoes that make you have to use IE for a while?
19:33.59mindjujufor eternity
19:34.10mindjujuand the version is IE 6
19:34.21TuxToasterIE 4 would be worse
19:34.24jsmithNo kidding
19:35.00mindjuju~karma jsmith
19:35.00ibotjsmith has karma of 14
19:35.02TuxToasterearlier versions of IE weren't horrid compared to other browsers at the time... but 4 is when they started integrating with the desktop
19:35.07mindjujuo.0
19:35.11TuxToaster~jsmith++
19:35.59TuxToaster~karma IE6
19:35.59ibotie6 has neutral karma
19:36.04TuxToasterhah
19:36.14mindjuju~karma IE
19:36.14ibotie has karma of -666
19:36.18TuxToaster~IE6--
19:36.43TuxToasteryeah, kind of surprised that wasn't written in as IE[0-9]+
19:40.42mgearywell
19:40.54mgearyIE8 is vastly less sucky than IE6
19:41.13mgearyso making a distinction might be worthwhile
19:41.17mgearybut yeah
19:41.22TuxToastertrue
19:41.28mindjujuthat's like saying IE8 is clean poop compared to IE6 that is smelly old poop
19:41.34TuxToasterlol
19:41.44mgearyyes
19:41.48mindjujuthere is a difference, but is it fundamental?
19:41.49mgearythat's exactly what it's like
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19:45.23thinbeginso after reading the sales-pitchy stuff on stackable, i want some actual experience reviews. anyone? anyone?
19:45.59thinbegin@macnewbold i noticed you were a featured review/quote on the sales page (so your opinion might be slanted) ;)
19:46.53jsmiththinbegin: I think it's a good idea, but I enjoyed using OpenShift from Red Hat so much more...
19:47.09josephscottI think ninnypants uses stackable
19:47.30tierradoes it use an open cloud API?
19:48.09jsmithtierra: Not that I'm aware or
19:48.13jsmiths/or/of
19:48.13ninnypantsjsmith: I've been meaning to check that out
19:48.20jsmithninnypants: You really should -- it rocks
19:48.29jsmithninnypants: You can thank me later :-)
19:50.45thinbeginninnypants: have you / do you use stackable?
19:51.09thinbegini like xmission a ton and if they are (partnered?) that pleases me
19:51.12tierrait's been bugging me a bit that there's a number of hosting providers using custom APIs following suit with AWS, and I'm actually a little surprised because now you're more likely to gain adoption quicker if you start out your "cloud" on the open cloud stack
19:52.13jsmiththinbegin: I really like XMission as well, but I recommend you at least try out OpenShift -- you get three free instances, so there's nothing to lose...
19:52.41tierraI'm way more likely to go with a less-known, smaller cloud provider to try things out if I know I'm not going to have to rewrite my configuration management stack, and I know I won't be stuck using them if I did
19:52.59thinbeginjsmith: really? that's awesome. what are the free instance specs?
19:53.07jsmithtierra: That's what libraries like Deltacloud are for. :-)
19:53.15jsmiththinbegin: Check it out for yourself -- openshift.redhat.com
19:53.35tierrajsmith: well, that's one step closer at least, but even they can't support everyone
19:53.42thinbeginjsmith: on there now, just being lazy :)
19:53.54jsmithtierra: Not yet, but they've made a valiant start :-)
19:54.19ninnypantsthinbegin: yeah I use it and like it quite a bit
19:54.20tierrasee, not even Linode support still ;)
19:54.22TuxToasterthinbegin: long time no see
19:54.33tierraheh
19:54.33ninnypantsprice isn't too bad and the api works well
19:55.17thinbeginTuxToaster: i pop in and out.... i came on a couple of days ago and there wasn't anyone in here :/
19:55.37jsmithThere's *always* someone in here :-p
19:55.40TuxToasterjsmith: interesting, hadn't seen that.
19:55.53jsmithTuxToaster: That's what I'm here for :-)
19:55.54thinbeginninnypants: what, if any, issues have you had with them?
19:56.01jsmithTuxToaster: That, and the funny jokes :-)
19:58.28ninnypantsthinbegin: I can't really think of any issues that I've had we actually started moving all client stuff to them because of issue on other hosts
19:58.55ninnypantsthinbegin: oh one issue was the lack of wildcard dns but I fixed that with their api
19:59.46josephscott$chuck-fact
19:59.46raifbotOnce the cop pulled over Chuck Norris....the cop was lucky to leave with a warning.
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20:04.15thinbeginjsmith: openshift promo code perhaps? ;)
20:04.36jsmithAre they requiring a promo code?  I thought anybody could get in -- hold on.
20:05.04thinbegini don't know that it's required
20:05.17thinbeginit's just asking (i haven't submitted yet)
20:05.49jsmiththinbegin: I think that's just if you're entitled to free accounts beyond the three free ones
20:07.36thinbeginjsmith: cool enough. i'll proceed without. just thought i'd ask if you had one :)
20:16.53thinbeginwtf? why won't openshift let me login to my pink-as-a-babies-bottom account? lame 1st experience. :/
20:31.45TuxToasterhttp://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=21049861
20:33.18maheliousTuxToaster: it's the pax!
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20:36.17thinbeginopenshift is *not* giving me a good first impression: http://tinypic.com/r/289czee/6
20:37.50josephscottthinbegin: but they said they were sorry :-)
20:38.21thinbeginjosephscott: lulz, true dat. i forgive
20:38.22Monnokmy wife says sorry isnt enough
20:38.36thinbeginMonnok: true dat too!
20:39.11Monnokthere needs to be some sort of dinner and/or gift
20:44.30thinbeginand the fun keeps on a-leavin'... http://tinypic.com/r/hwlie0/6
20:59.45TuxToaster$rlart
20:59.45raifbotexecutes killall -TERM stderr.
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21:01.32jsmiththinbegin: My friends at Red Hat say that a client of theirs is literally creating thousands of accounts and apps right now, so their web app is throwing some errors because of the load :-(
21:02.59TuxToasterjsmith: fail
21:03.03thinbeginjsmith: good to hear they have a reson, but it still isn't all that comforting to see for a "scalable" application arcitecture. :/
21:03.03TuxToastererr
21:03.08TuxToasterthat was meant to be ~fail
21:04.04thinbeginisn't that the entire point of these balloonable systems? to grow/shrink as demands require?
21:04.24jsmiththinbegin: Their back-end systems are much more scalable than their registration system, apparently
21:04.30thinbeginballoonable ~= elastic :)
21:05.33TuxToasterso.... if you're removing the elastic value of ballonable... what does that leave? :P
21:07.19thinbeginstring? :P
21:07.26thinbeginfloppiness?
21:07.37thinbeginflacidity?
21:07.45thinbeginjust a few immediate thoughts there
21:07.51TuxToasterawkward
21:08.01TuxToasterlol
21:08.02thinbeginlol. agreed
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21:41.53beandogmonin
21:42.35TuxToasterbeandog: I hate to tell you this....
21:42.44TuxToasterbut it's almost 4 in the afternoon :P
21:42.55beandogdoes that mean you're jealous I just got up?
21:43.01TuxToastersomewhat.
21:43.03TuxToasterlol
21:43.06beandog:)
21:44.24TuxToasterhttp://9gag.com/gag/4632778
21:45.37beandoglol wut
21:48.08TuxToasteryeah... I don't think mine are ever knotted that nicely
21:56.00beandogagreed
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22:04.09TuxToaster$chuck-fact
22:04.09raifbotChuck Norris can slam a revolving door.
22:25.51Monnok$rlart
22:25.51raifbotdrops a humongous exploding nuke on optikal.
22:26.45TuxToasteras opposed to a tiny, non-exploding nuke.
22:27.05Monnokif it wasnt huge and exploding, it wouldnt be a lart
22:28.08TuxToaster$rlart
22:28.09raifbotfollow's herlo with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION.
22:34.21beandog$chuck-fact
22:34.22raifbotChuck Norris has an Xbox Live account. On Playstation
22:34.25beandoglol
22:34.29beandogall of these crack me up
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23:55.35mindjujualright, looks like it's the weekend crew that's left
23:56.08mindjujuso turn off the office lights and spin your techno loud

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